Family IDs

[dizzy]

This used to be fairly simple, but with BV there's some weirdness in familyId values. Firstly, the labeled IDs:

Code:

Service NPCs = 32767 (0x7FFF)
Townies = 32766 (0x7FFE)
Orphans = 32765 (0x7FFD)
DownTownies = 32764 (0x7FFC)
Reserved ID Min = 32750 (0x7FEE)
Bob the Builder = 32763 (0x7FFB)
Strays = 32762 (0x7FFA)
Orphan Pets = 32761 (0x7FF9)
Display Pets - Available = 32760 (0x7FF8)
Display Pets - In Use = 32759 (0x7FF7)
Garden Club = 32758 (0x7FF6)
Tourists = 32756 (0x7FF4)
Asia = 32755 (0x7FF3)
Mountains = 32754 (0x7FF2)
Tropics = 32753 (0x7FF1)

Going through the code, I notice some unlabeled IDs being used:

Code:

Actual Tourists = 32741 (0x7FE5) to 32752 (0x7FF0)

I don't think that "Tourists" is actually used, and they've gone beneath the "minimum" in order to make 12 sets of Tourist NPC families. (So, if you were using the minimum before, that code will need to change for BV.)

[Inge]

Extending the tourist families could be as simple as editing 0x5F2

[J. M. Pescado]

I don't think that "Tourists" is actually used, and they've gone beneath the "minimum" in order to make 12 sets of Tourist NPC families. (So, if you were using the minimum before, that code will need to change for BV.)

If you were referencing the "minimum" value by the constant, the constant was altered to lower the minimum, so these changes will be automatically reflected. If you were using raw literal 7FEE, then you will have to update.

[dizzy]

I was being silly and thinking that "Reserved ID Min" in the Lua would reflect the BCON, but maybe it's just a dream that one day EA will crank out code that agrees with itself.

[syberspunk]

Ok, so for the family IDs, the BCON is global 0x13A.  This is what I have for my notes:

Line	Hex	Type
0x0	7FFF	NPC
0x1	7FFE	Townie (and Dormies)
0x2	7FFD	Adoption Pool
0x3	7FFC	Downtownie
0x4	7FEE	? ? ? Reserved ID Min
0x5	7FFB	? ? ? Bob the Builder
0x6	7FFA	pets strays
0x7	7FF9	pets orphans
0x8	7FF8	pets display pets - available
0x9	7FF7	pets display pets - in use
0xA	7FF6	seasons - garden club
0XB	7FF5	? ? ? Goopy
0XC	7FF4	bon voyage - tourists
0XD	7FF3	bon voyage - asia
0XE	7FF2	bon voyage - mountains
0XF	7FF1	bon voyage - tropics

What is the BCON for the "Actual Tourists"?  Has it been confirmed that this family isn't being used?

ETA:  Btw, does anyone know what 7FF5 is?

Thanks Inge.

Ste

[Inge]

ETA:  Btw, does anyone know what 7FF5 is?

In my game, the family name is "Goopy" and it contains no members.

BTW, what on earth is "Bob the builder" in the context of a Sims family?

[dizzy]

For "actual tourists" you should look at:

BCON 0x13A:0x1B=32741 (0x7FE5)
BCON 0x13A:0x10=32752 (0x7FF0)

This is the range of familyId values they will use to populate the tourist pools.

[J. M. Pescado]

BTW, what on earth is "Bob the builder" in the context of a Sims family?

My guess is that it's some unused or recycled space, and "Bob the Builder" is some wonky working label EAxis used.

[Inge]

Aw shame!  I thought EA were going to introduce a feature where we could import a photo or floorplans of a house we liked and get an NPC to build the lot for us

[syberspunk]

For "actual tourists" you should look at:

BCON 0x13A:0x1B=32741 (0x7FE5)
BCON 0x13A:0x10=32752 (0x7FF0)

This is the range of familyId values they will use to populate the tourist pools.

"will" use?  As in... currently not being used?

I are confused.  I can has clarification?

i.e. should I bother testing for this group to make sure that I also include this group as potential "townie"/NPC types?

What is the difference between "actual tourists" and tourists (0x7FF4)?
And why are there two groups (ox7FE5 and 0x7FF0)?  Is there any difference between them?



Ste

[dizzy]

"will" use?  As in...

"Will" as in "when tourists are populated" (i.e. when you create a neighborhood).

i.e. should I bother testing for this group to make sure that I also include this group as potential "townie"/NPC types?

What is the difference between "actual tourists" and tourists (0x7FF4)?
And why are there two groups (ox7FE5 and 0x7FF0)?  Is there any difference between them?

0x7FE5 is the first group, and 0x7FF0 is the last group. As I said, this is a range. In other words, them and every Id between them is used for Tourists.

It's currently unknown what use the 0x7FF4 Id has. I suspect it was "pre-deprecated" (as Microsoft is wont to do). In other words, they suddenly decided to stop using it.

Tourists are essentially the same as townies. The only real difference is that they only appear in "Vacation" sub-hoods, and that they generally appear as a group. There are always 4 sims per familyId, all with the same family name, etc.

Whether you should test for them really depends on the purpose of your code.

[syberspunk]

0x7FE5 is the first group, and 0x7FF0 is the last group. As I said, this is a range. In other words, them and every Id between them is used for Tourists.

A ha!  I got it!  There was a misunderstanding on my part...

It's currently unknown what use the 0x7FF4 Id has. I suspect it was "pre-deprecated" (as Microsoft is wont to do). In other words, they suddenly decided to stop using it.

I see now.  The problem was, in my haste, upon reading your original post, when you said that "Tourists" wasn't being used, I thought you were referring to the last set of numbers you mentioned (which were the "Actual Tourists").  But with this current reply, and re-reading your original, I see my mistake.

Tourists are essentially the same as townies. The only real difference is that they only appear in "Vacation" sub-hoods, and that they generally appear as a group. There are always 4 sims per familyId, all with the same family name, etc.

Whether you should test for them really depends on the purpose of your code.

Well, to explain a bit... in my growuptownies mod, I was specifically testing to see if the sim was in the 7FFE family.  Hence the name of the mod.   But, after play testing, and some requests (I think), I ended up adding downtownies as well.  This seemed all well and good, until someone noticed that the options were not showing up for these tourist and local type "npc" sims.  So, if I want to enable the option for these types of sims, then I assume I will have to test for asia, mountains, tropics, and all 12 of those "actual tourists" families in that range.  Right?

Thanks for the clarification.  Looks like I'll have to make another update then.


Ste

[dizzy]

Well, to explain a bit... in my growuptownies mod, I was specifically testing to see if the sim was in the 7FFE family.  Hence the name of the mod.   But, after play testing, and some requests (I think), I ended up adding downtownies as well.  This seemed all well and good, until someone noticed that the options were not showing up for these tourist and local type "npc" sims.  So, if I want to enable the option for these types of sims, then I assume I will have to test for asia, mountains, tropics, and all 12 of those "actual tourists" families in that range.  Right?

That's right. And the Garden Club as well (if you want to grow them up from Adult to Elder or Elder to dead).

[J. M. Pescado]

I'd suggest using the constant value which formerly used to correspond to 7FEE, but now is a lower value in BV, first, then excluding the family classes that SHOULDN'T be used, like the NPC family.

[Gwill]

0x00007FE4   Hobby Mavens
0x00007FE3   Roomies
0x00007FE2   More roomies?

Can anyone shed light on these three?
0x00007FDF   ?
0x00007FE0   ?
0x00007FE1   ?

[J. M. Pescado]

From FT:
7FE4 = Hobby Mavens

AL Social Groups:
7FE3 = Gearheads
7FE2 = Bohemians
7FE1 = Jocks
7FE0 = Techies
7FDF = Socialites