Tour Guide and Unsavory Charlatan spawn like crazy in BV!

[ZephyrZodiac]

I think a lot of it must be because it's the mating season!  We get Canada Geese here, but during the winter, mostly, I think, and they don't cause much of a problem, except the excrement one!

As for terrier dogs - what can you expect, when most of them were bred to be killers!  However, bite their ears the first time they nip you as a puppy, and they'll never bite you again - that's not to say they won't bite someone else, though.....

[V]

That is all very interesting, really. Kittens, geese & puppies... really, amazingly interesting stuff.

But what about the redundancy problem? Has it been fixed yet? Have there been any volunteers to test the fix yet? I was not planning to install the EP right away, but I will if there still aren't any (or enough) volunteers for a critical fix.

What I am understanding from this thread is that in order to avoid the worst of the redundancy problem, we will need to move our neighborhoods out of the way when we install this game, then take the default hoods out and put our old ones back in after installation is complete. Will that help at all? or are we still looking at having endless new characters whether we want them or not?

[Zazazu]

Pes posted the fix here. It seems to be working for me...no character file explosions last time I took someone on vacation. No errors are being thrown, either.

[selzi]

What I am understanding from this thread is that in order to avoid the worst of the redundancy problem, we will need to move our neighborhoods out of the way when we install this game, then take the default hoods out and put our old ones back in after installation is complete. Will that help at all? or are we still looking at having endless new characters whether we want them or not?

It will help if you don't want the total Maxis-townie spam. The game will spawn new vacation townies on its own though. In my game I got 9 or 10 new local townies per vacation hood, and 48 tourist townies additionally. Once notownieregen is updated to work on those new types of townies that shouldn't be the case anymore, though.

[J. M. Pescado]

I have seen no tourist townies, just the vacation locals that are added with the individual vacation hoods. Not sure if they actually RESPAWN, but they're sort of necessary for your vacation to fully function, or no one will teach you the vacation crap!

[selzi]

I have seen no tourist townies, just the vacation locals that are added with the individual vacation hoods.

At first, my game spawned the 48 new tourist townies when I was entering a community vacation lot for the first time. When I played another empty vacation hood later they were spawned when the hotel was loaded for the first time. It probably differs WHEN those tourists are spawned, but the game will do so eventually.

Not sure if they actually RESPAWN, but they're sort of necessary for your vacation to fully function, or no one will teach you the vacation crap!

Sure, they're necessary, but 9 or 10 of them? In my opinion 3 or 5 should have been enough ...

[ZephyrZodiac]

But did no one tell you - the EAxoids all suffer from NPC/Townie diarrhoea!

[J. M. Pescado]

At first, my game spawned the 48 new tourist townies when I was entering a community vacation lot for the first time. When I played another empty vacation hood later they were spawned when the hotel was loaded for the first time. It probably differs WHEN those tourists are spawned, but the game will do so eventually.

Did this happen with no-townie-respawn installed? I haven't spotted any new tourist townies, and this is after a complete Vtardrancher and Stupidlilley's Excellent Adventure.

[selzi]

At first, my game spawned the 48 new tourist townies when I was entering a community vacation lot for the first time. When I played another empty vacation hood later they were spawned when the hotel was loaded for the first time. It probably differs WHEN those tourists are spawned, but the game will do so eventually.

Did this happen with no-townie-respawn installed? I haven't spotted any new tourist townies, and this is after a complete Vtardrancher and Stupidlilley's Excellent Adventure.

As soon as you move your playable sims into a hotel the game should spawn new tourist townies who will fill the other empty rooms, just like dormies are generated to fill the vacant dorm rooms.

Yes, I have all anti-redundancy-hacks like notownieregen, nostrayrespawn and antiredundancy. I look for updates every day, so I'm sure I was using the newest versions. The same thing happened to IAmTheRad here: http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,4306.msg263650.html#msg263650

I agree with him, I think tourist townies are coded differently than normal townies, that's why notownieregen doesn't affect them.

By the way - when I use christianlov's clothing rack to change the appearance of my neighbors vacation locals and tourists appear under "Sims" where playable sims are usually found. The clothing rack has other options like "NPCs", "downtownies" and "townies", but they don't appear there - this is why I think that vacation sims belong to an entirely new "species"!

EDIT: I just noticed that I'm not using "nodormieregen" because I never play in university. So I'm not using ALL of the anti-redundancy hacks, but most of them. 

[jolrei]

As soon as you move your playable sims into a hotel the game should spawn new tourist townies who will fill the other empty rooms, just like dormies are generated to fill the vacant dorm rooms.

The first time I played BV in a vanilla test scenario (Pleasantview base with Traveller family) the game spawned all sorts of BV tourist townies to fill the hotel.  Now I'm back playing from my main hood with the hacks installed (I have both nodormiespawn and notownieregen installed with antiredundancy) and the game only spawns what it needs, it would appear.  My sim family is staying at the Twikkii Beach Hotel and some rooms are not filled (don't care really), so the hacks seem to be working to limit fugly tourists in my game.

[jsalemi]

I noticed that -- I sent a family to the mountains after re-activating notownieregen and adding in the new antiredundancy, and only a couple of tourists showed up.  And none of them ever claimed another room in the hotel.  My family (mother and 2 teens) were the only ones with claimed rooms.

[Zazazu]

By the way - when I use christianlov's clothing rack to change the appearance of my neighbors vacation locals and tourists appear under "Sims" where playable sims are usually found. The clothing rack has other options like "NPCs", "downtownies" and "townies", but they don't appear there - this is why I think that vacation sims belong to an entirely new "species"!

When I was Deleted 2'ing my tour guides and charlatans, I noticed that they and a bunch of names I remembered as vacation families were all under the "..." category. No one else was under it.

[Havelock]

By the way - when I use christianlov's clothing rack to change the appearance of my neighbors vacation locals and tourists appear under "Sims" where playable sims are usually found. The clothing rack has other options like "NPCs", "downtownies" and "townies", but they don't appear there - this is why I think that vacation sims belong to an entirely new "species"!

When I was Deleted 2'ing my tour guides and charlatans, I noticed that they and a bunch of names I remembered as vacation families were all under the "..." category. No one else was under it.

Its because the Game removes the Townie and Work NPC Pool Family Names  when it creates the "Exotic Destinations" (or something similar). Every Townie,Tourist Townie,Bellhop, Cook, Barista.....etc has no longer the overall Familyname in SIMPE.

[J. M. Pescado]

I am declaring this issue satisfactorily resolved now and closing this ticket.