Holy...crap!

[Dark Trepie]

I think I need glasses.  Because I'm sure I'm not reading this right...



The last time I checked, the Singles girls had only managed to scrape up about $8,000 before I stopped playing their lot.  And Ajay only had around $500 after his latest shopping spree.  So where in the high holy heck did the $2.3 Million come from?

The Loners just got incredibly boring to play...

[CapN Tokyo]

Hmm, that happened to me once.

But hey, who's complaining?

[Ancient Sim]

I had something similar to this once, I posted about it a while back.  I had Martin Ruben move Jane Stacks back into their house on campus once she'd graduated and they had twins there.  Jane worked while Martin continued to study.  He graduated, bought a house and moved her and the twins in.  She didn't just bring the toddlers with her, she also brought just under 6 million simoleans.  They now live in an absolutely huge rambling mansion that is so big I can't find any of them and they still have just under 5 million left.  I haven't decided what to do with it yet, I may make them 'benefactors' who send money orders out to downtrodden Sims.  Only trouble is, I don't have any downtrodden Sims. 

[Motoki]

I just had this happen to me too. I got about 700,000 in my case. My sim was a college graduate who moved back in with her parents. Her fiancee was still in college so I invited him over but couldn't have her marry him or move him in. I think used the sim modder (the baby thingy you get with the testingcheatsenabled) and aged him to an elder than back to an adult (he wouldn't age straight to an adult because a young adult is technically an adult I guess or subset of an adult). Then I was able to have her marry him and when she did he brought a boatload of money with him. I never knew college students carried that kind of cash lol.

But yeah, the house has gotten a lot more boring now. 

[Diala]

Here's a challenge: spend all that money on stuff (items, housing...) for that lot without giving it out via money orders. See how much stuff you can cram into there!

[nothingbutsims]

I had the same experience too, Trepie, with a couple million.

[gali]

It happens when you teleport some sim from the family bin, but he is one of a group (like the Singles) - and propose him/her to move in. It's a glitch I think, but I like it!

It happened to me with the Curious brothers, which had only 49,000$, moved to the family bin.

I created a female for Pascal, teleported him from the family bin, and proposed the move in. He brought with him more than 2 million $.
Then I created a female for Lazlo, moved him in, and he brought 5 million $ (!!).
As I used the motherlode before moving the brothers from their house, Vidcund remained in the family bin with 1 million $ - and when I moved him in, this was the only sum he brought.

...Nice glitch....

[Oddysey]

*twitch*

That's a very specific number. What in the name of all that is binary could be the mechanism of that glitch?

[dizzy]

*twitch*

That's a very specific number. What in the name of all that is binary could be the mechanism of that glitch?

Hehe. You asked:

Code:

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# Group = 0x7F859641, Instance = 0x101F
# Title = Move In - Normal New
#
# Format = 8009, Params = 0, Locals = 22
# Tree type = 0, Header flag = 6, Tree version = FFFF8032 (-32718)

     0: Save - Disable/Enable(0); true: 1, false: error
     1: Stack Object := Me; true: 19, false: error
     2: Stack Object := stack obj's person data neighbor id (0x1F); true: 3, false: error
     3: Local 3 := neighbor in stack object family friend count (0x9); true: 4, false: error
     4: Local 0 := my person data family number (0x3D); true: 48, false: error
     5: Local 1 := 0; true: 6, false: error
     6: Local 2 := 0; true: 32, false: error
     7: Stack Object := 0; true: 8, false: error
     8: Local 0 == Const 0x13A:0x1(32766 (0x7FFE)); true: 74, false: 6D
     9: Local 19 := random from 0 to < Const 0x1003:0x4(20000 (0x4E20)); true: A, false: error
     A: Stack Object := my person data neighbor id (0x1F); true: 13, false: error
     B: Generic Sims Call: add to family Stack Obj:nID, Temp 0:familyID; true: 14, false: 3D
     C: Alter Budget: add Local 19 as misc income; true: D, false: D
     D: Stack Object := my person data neighbor id (0x1F); true: E, false: error
     E: Temp 0 := neighbor in stack object family friend count (0x9); true: F, false: error
     F: Temp 0 -= Local 3; true: 40, false: error
    10: Local 0 == Const 0x13A:0x1(32766 (0x7FFE)); true: 5E, false: 6E
    11: Temp 0 := Local 0; true: 12, false: error
    12: Generic Sims Call: combine assets of family in temp 0 Temp 0:familyID; true: 15, false: 15
    13: Temp 0 := 0; true: B, false: error
    14: Selectable: Set(Stack Object); true: 65, false: error
    15: Stack Object := my person data neighbor id (0x1F); true: 4D, false: error
    16: Generic Sims Call: add to family Stack Obj:nID, Temp 0:familyID; true: 57, false: 3C
    17: Temp 0 := 0; true: 56, false: error
    18: Selectable: Set(Stack Object); true: 3B, false: error
    19: .Move In - Assets to Bring - Get T[3,4]; true: 1A, false: error
    1A: Local 5 := Temp 3; true: 1B, false: error
    1B: Local 6 := Temp 4; true: 2, false: error
    1C: .Move In - Add Assets(Local 5, Local 6); true: 1E, false: error
    1D: Local 7 != Local 15; true: 5A, false: 58
    1E: Temp 0 := Local 6; true: 3E, false: error
    1F: Dialog: Text Notification: [Private STR# 0x12D:0x25], priority 1, timeout 20, putting Text ID in temp 0; true: 11, false: error
    20: Dialog: Text Notification: [Private STR# 0x12D:0x29], priority 1, timeout 20, putting Text ID in temp 0; true: 15, false: error
    21: .Move In - Memories; true: 31, false: 31
    22: Stack Object := neighbor in stack object person instance id (0x0); true: 24, false: error
    23: Verify - Person ID(neighbor in stack object person instance id (0x0)); true: 22, false: 26
    24: stack obj's person data Job Data (0x18) Set Flag 3; true: 25, false: error
    25: Selectable: Set(Local 17); true: 2B, false: error
    26: Schedule - Visitor - Immediately(Stack Object, Const 0x10F:0x0(0)); true: 27, false: error
    27: Schedule - Visitor - Set Selectable Flags(Temp 0, 1); true: 49, false: error
    28: Temp 0 := 0; true: 29, false: error
    29: Generic Sims Call: add to family Stack Obj:nID, Temp 0:familyID; true: 30, false: 2A
    2A: Break Point: ; true: 30, false: error
    2B: Stack Object := Local 17; true: 49, false: error
    2C: Manage Inventory: Access the Neighbor Singular Inventory from ID my person data neighbor id (0x1F). with category 0 GUID 0xEDE5D047 (0x7FAB48B1: Token - Move In). Set To Next token. Starting at index from Local 16; true: 2D, false: 3A
    2D: Manage Inventory: Access the Neighbor Singular Inventory from ID my person data neighbor id (0x1F). with category 0 GUID 0xEDE5D047 (0x7FAB48B1: Token - Move In). Pop property off token at index from Local 16. Put property value into Local 15.; true: 21, false: 21
    2E: Manage Inventory: Access the Neighbor Singular Inventory from ID my person data neighbor id (0x1F). with category 0 GUID 0xEDE5D047 (0x7FAB48B1: Token - Move In). Pop property off token at index from Local 16. Put property value into Local 17.; true: 2F, false: 2F
    2F: Stack Object := Local 17; true: 23, false: error
    30: Local 18 ++ and < Local 15; true: 2E, false: D
    31: Local 15 += 1; true: 30, false: error
    32: Stack Object := 0; true: 4E, false: error
    33: Set to Next: Neighbor of Family in temp0; true: 34, false: 7
    34: neighbor's person data family number (0x3D) == my person data family number (0x3D); true: 35, false: 4E
    35: Local 7 += 1; true: 4E, false: error
    36: Local 11 := 1000 (0x3E8); true: 4F, false: error
    37: Local 12 := Local 19; true: 38, false: error
    38: Local 12 /= 1000 (0x3E8); true: 36, false: error
    39: Dialog: Text Notification: [Private STR# 0x12D:0x24], priority 1, timeout 20, putting Text ID in temp 0; true: 15, false: error
    3A: Local 15 := 1; true: D, false: error
    3B: Wants - Refresh All - Recalc(1, 0); true: 43, false: error
    3C: Wants - Refresh All - Recalc(1, 0); true: 44, false: error
    3D: Wants - Refresh All - Recalc(1, 0); true: 42, false: error
    3E: Local 6 := Local 5; true: 3F, false: error
    3F: Local 5 := Temp 0; true: 51, false: error
    40: Local 0 == Const 0x13A:0x0(32767 (0x7FFF)); true: 41, false: 10
    41: Wants - Set CAS History(my person data neighbor id (0x1F), Stack Object); true: 66, false: 66
    42: Save - Disable/Enable(1); true: false, false: error
    43: Save - Disable/Enable(1); true: true, false: error
    44: Save - Disable/Enable(1); true: false, false: error
    45: Want Satisfy: GUID 0xEDAAB0F8 (Move out) with value Stack Object; true: 46, false: 46
    46: Want Satisfy: GUID 0x6DD670D5 (Sim Moves Out (want)) with value Stack Object; true: 47, false: 47
    47: Want Satisfy: GUID 0x4DD673FA (Sim Moves Out (fear)) with value Stack Object; true: 28, false: 28
    48: Local 20 := neighbor in stack object house number (0x6); true: 5, false: error
    49: Local 20 > 0; true: 45, false: 28
    4A: Want Satisfy: GUID 0xEDAAB0F8 (Move out) with value Stack Object; true: 4B, false: 4B
    4B: Want Satisfy: GUID 0x6DD670D5 (Sim Moves Out (want)) with value Stack Object; true: 4C, false: 4C
    4C: Want Satisfy: GUID 0x4DD673FA (Sim Moves Out (fear)) with value Stack Object; true: 55, false: 55
    4D: Local 20 > 0; true: 4A, false: 55
    4E: Temp 0 := Local 0; true: 33, false: error
    4F: Lot - Is College Lot?; true: 50, false: 39
    50: Dialog: Text Notification: [Private STR# 0x12D:0x33], priority 1, timeout 20, putting Text ID in temp 0; true: 15, false: error
    51: Lot - Is College Lot?; true: 52, false: 20
    52: Dialog: Text Notification: [Private STR# 0x12D:0x2B], priority 1, timeout 20, putting Text ID in temp 0; true: 15, false: error
    53: Local 19 := random from 0 to < Const 0x1003:0x5(2000 (0x7D0)); true: A, false: error
    54: Lot - Is College Lot?; true: 53, false: 6F
    55: my person data kEP1 - Time Left In Grading Period (0xAC) := 72 (0x48); true: 17, false: error
    56: College - Remove Key(my person data neighbor id (0x1F)); true: 16, false: error
    57: .Init - Student; true: 18, false: error
    58: Lot - Is College Lot?; true: 59, false: 1F
    59: Dialog: Text Notification: [Private STR# 0x12D:0x34], priority 1, timeout 20, putting Text ID in temp 0; true: 11, false: error
    5A: .Move In - College - Assets Calc(Local 0, Global(Current Family), Local 15, Local 7); true: 5B, false: error
    5B: Temp 0 == 1; true: 5C, false: 1C
    5C: Local 6 := Temp 3; true: 5D, false: error
    5D: Local 5 := Temp 4; true: 51, false: error
    5E: .Townie - Removed from Pool(Me); true: 41, false: error
    5F: .Move In - Add Assets(Local 5, Local 6); true: 64, false: error
    60: Run Tree by Name: CT - Get Move In Funds T[0,1], push onto my stack; true: 62, false: 54
    61: Local 6 := Temp 1; true: 5F, false: error
    62: Local 5 := Temp 0; true: 61, false: error
    63: Stack Object := Me; true: 60, false: error
    64: Local 21 := 1; true: A, false: error
    65: Local 21 == 1; true: D, false: C
    66: Local 21 == 1; true: 6C, false: 37
    67: Dialog: Text Notification: [Private STR# 0x12D:0x29], priority 1, timeout 20, putting Text ID in temp 0; true: 15, false: error
    68: Lot - Is College Lot?; true: 69, false: 67
    69: Dialog: Text Notification: [Private STR# 0x12D:0x2B], priority 1, timeout 20, putting Text ID in temp 0; true: 15, false: error
    6A: Local 6 := Temp 0; true: 68, false: error
    6B: Local 5 := Local 6; true: 6A, false: error
    6C: Temp 0 := Local 5; true: 6B, false: error
    6D: Local 0 == Const 0x13A:0x3(32764 (0x7FFC)); true: 74, false: 75
    6E: Local 0 == Const 0x13A:0x3(32764 (0x7FFC)); true: 5E, false: 1D
    6F: .Move In - Get Townie Wealth(my person data neighbor id (0x1F)); true: 71, false: 9
    70: Local 21 := 1; true: A, false: error
    71: Local 6 := Temp 0; true: 72, false: error
    72: Local 5 := Temp 1; true: 73, false: error
    73: .Move In - Add Assets(Local 5, Local 6); true: 70, false: error
    74: .Move In - Add Items To Townie Inventories; true: 63, false: error
    75: Local 0 == Const 0x13A:0x0(32767 (0x7FFF)); true: 74, false: 2C

[Gus Smedstad]

That's what Sims 2 code looks like?  Ye gods, it's spagetti!  I haven't seen anything that bad since I stopped using BASIC 23 years ago.  I started to do a trace, and I was astonished to see -

On line 0x1, the code jumps to line 0x19.
It's impossible for control to flow from line 0x18 to 0x19, since the preceeding line is a jump to 0x3B.
Ergo, there's no conceivable reason why the code at 0x19 wasn't located immediate after line 0x1.
Line 0x1B then jumps to line 0x2, where this segment should have appeared in the first place.

Line 0x4 jumps to 0x48.  Again, it's impossible from control to flow from 0x47 to 0x48, because both paths are a jump to 0x28.
Line 0x48 jumps back to line 0x5, so we've got a one line digression for no apparent reason.

It's difficult for me to imagine a compiler writing code this bad.  It has all the earmarks of code that has been patched by hand.  I.e., as originally written line 0x4 jumped to 0x5, then the programmer realized he needed another instruction in there, so instead of inserting it and changing the line numbers, he changed the jump, added the code, and then jumped back.

That's horrible.

 - Gus

[dizzy]

Hehe. This is just disaSim2 output. This isn't what Maxoids look at. They have the pleasure of looking at Edith code (which, from what I've heard, looks more like a flow-chart than any sensible scripting language).

[Gus Smedstad]

So what you're saying is that it is compiler output, but it's a compiler with a bizarre code generator.  I've written scripting language compilers, and there's just no good reason to be generating branches like that.

 - Gus

[dmchess]

So what you're saying is that it is compiler output, but it's a compiler with a bizarre code generator.  I've written scripting language compilers, and there's just no good reason to be generating branches like that.

 - Gus

Yeah, everyone always has to write their own language, repeating 99% of the mistakes of the last thousand people that did it, and inventing three new mistakes.     Whoever wrote the virtual machine language must have been a big SNOBOL fan... :F(END)

Just imagine if behaviors were written in Perl!

DC

[Hook]

Well Gus, now you know why some of the scripting in the game is buggy, huh?

Apparently the scripting system is graphics oriented.  You create scripts by dragging blocks around a flowchart.  And every block has a true and false output.  The entire development system is guaranteed to generate spaghetti code.  It's like the development system was designed to play as if it were a computer game.

Now, there are some types of development that lend themselves well to this graphical treatment.  Object oriented design, for example.  But these scripts are procedural and need to have a procedural language. And some seasoned programmers writing them.

For what it's worth, viewing these same lines of code in SimPE is much better.  At least there you have the flow lines created for you by SimPE.

Hook

[Oddysey]

This is one of the reasons that the stuff added to TS2, not present in TS1, is generally not terribly reliable. The game engine really isn't designed to handle anything tied into the motive system. Everything else is sort of stuck on, so you have procedural scripts being written and executed in an environment designed for Object Oriented code.

Object orientation is a good way to handle motives; each sim keeps track of what it's mood is, and the objects tell it what to do. Not so good for wants, at least the way they're implemented, as on/off switches triggered by events.

[jase]

That's what Sims 2 code looks like?  Ye gods, it's spagetti!  I haven't seen anything that bad since I stopped using BASIC 23 years ago.  I started to do a trace, and I was astonished to see -

On line 0x1, the code jumps to line 0x19.
It's impossible for control to flow from line 0x18 to 0x19, since the preceeding line is a jump to 0x3B.
Ergo, there's no conceivable reason why the code at 0x19 wasn't located immediate after line 0x1.
Line 0x1B then jumps to line 0x2, where this segment should have appeared in the first place.

Line 0x4 jumps to 0x48.  Again, it's impossible from control to flow from 0x47 to 0x48, because both paths are a jump to 0x28.
Line 0x48 jumps back to line 0x5, so we've got a one line digression for no apparent reason.

It's difficult for me to imagine a compiler writing code this bad.  It has all the earmarks of code that has been patched by hand.  I.e., as originally written line 0x4 jumped to 0x5, then the programmer realized he needed another instruction in there, so instead of inserting it and changing the line numbers, he changed the jump, added the code, and then jumped back.

That's horrible.

 - Gus

Maxis behaviors are implemented as "trees" - binary trees.  There are THOUSANDS of trees in the game.  To represent them all in memory at once would likely take terabytes of RAM.  The nodes of the trees are balanced and optimized by a tool that Maxis uses interally - which undoubtably produces this "balanced tree" output to avoid redundant data/code reads, minimize cache misses, and having to reparse the behavior data again and again.  A good optimizing C++ pentium-optimizing compiler would give your code the same kind of treatment.  What you see is actually "intelligent" tree balancing and branch predicition for performance.  I can assure you the output isn't arbitrary.

J

[dizzy]

What you see is actually "intelligent" tree balancing and branch predicition for performance.  I can assure you the output isn't arbitrary.

Well, the output may be "balanced" and "branch predicted" (for whatever that's worth ), but the composition of the code is very much arbitrary. This is betrayed by the many instances (especially in the base game) of unused code, the massive blocks of duplicated code, and the weird, seemingly-random transitions from one iteration to another. No compiler I've ever seen produces output like that.

[Hook]

Consider the case of toddlers playing in toilets. 

The Prima guide, obviously working from the design documents and not the playable game, has said that toddlers only play in toilets when in a bad mood.  Uh huh.  Twojeffs said there was actually a test for the toddler's moods in the code, but the results were ignored, resulting in the toddler playing in the toilet no matter what their mood. 

This isn't something that got optimized away, but an error in the script creation... and from what I can determine one that would be easy to make given the way the script development system works, and one that would have been damn difficult to miss if the scripting system used a proper procedural text language.

Hook

[Kristalrose]

Well, since I know nothing about coding and trees and generating and whatnot, I'll leave all that alone.

I did have the move in "Magic bonus" happen to me, twice.  Both times I had moved in a YA so they could transition and marry my sim.  Is this what happened to you, also?

[vecki]

I had it happen the first time I experimented with moving Bella in with the Goth family, nearly 5 million simoleons.  Of course the next time I went into the lot I got the standard 'Bella has died on another lot' yada yada yada and shortly after reinstalled.  But she is now resurrected courtesy of nightlife and planning to set herself up with a fabulous bachelorette pad.

[Zeljka]

It happened to me when I moved a teen and ended up with several of his siblings as well. I used 'Remove from Family' (InSiminator) and went back to their parents' lot to get the other kids back. The children were ok, but the teen girl would have brought back several million, so I left her wandering as a townie.
I later moved her in with teen Ivy Copur who I'd impregnated with alien twins. They were best friends anyway and I wanted her money to go to a family I didn't really care about (cheating with)
Now that I've discovered the perfect solution -Inge's teleporter plus, which doesn't add money or a memory, it's too late, her parents are Romance and Family and have a house full of kids, no room at the Inn.

[DrBeast]

I wonder, does this occur even with the no20Khandouts hack?

[Karen]

This happened to me a month or two after the original game came out, long before any hacks were available.  Don Lothario moved in with one of my game-born Sims.  They each had about $60K, and they ended up with $3.3 million.  I have managed to spread the wealth around pretty evenly (the "no 20K handout" helps with that).  If it's a bug, I'd just as soon not see it fixed 

Karen

[jase]

A patch for this problem (if you, in fact, see it as a problem at all) is available here:

http://www.insimenator.net/viewtopic.php?p=23744

[gali]

Are you crazy??.... To fix the most pleasant glitch of the game?....