Warmth Fix Mod

[amber]

Is this going to fix my Sims that spontaneously combust while sleeping... indoors.... in their bed?

Also sort of unrelated but lately 3 different Sims havent been able to get in bed. Before the action gets to the top it fades and dissapears??

[jsalemi]

Also sort of unrelated but lately 3 different Sims havent been able to get in bed. Before the action gets to the top it fades and dissapears??

Are you using TJ's smarterbeds mod?  What you describe is a symptom of that mod when a sim's bed ownership gets borked.  It's also a symptom of an OFB bug (I think it was OFB) that borked beds that were kept in a sim's inventory and moved from one lot to another. A patch fixed the problem, and it also went away with later EPs.

[Emma]

Also sort of unrelated but lately 3 different Sims havent been able to get in bed. Before the action gets to the top it fades and dissapears??

Are you using TJ's smarterbeds mod?  What you describe is a symptom of that mod when a sim's bed ownership gets borked.  It's also a symptom of an OFB bug (I think it was OFB) that borked beds that were kept in a sim's inventory and moved from one lot to another. A patch fixed the problem, and it also went away with later EPs.

Have those beds been in the inventory? That has happened with some beds in my game.

[MissDoh]

Still fixes a few things Maxis did funny, like hot tub overheatings indoors.

Ok I must admit I did not do extensive testing on this but I put the Maxis made sim Landgraab IV from the business section in his hot tub which is indoors for 5 sims hours in a roll and the temperature meter did not rose one bit.  Placing the Caliente sisters in their outside hot tub gave me the same results, no temperature rose.

Are you sure when hot tubs are indoors it will make the Sim overheat? so far I am not coming with the same conclusion.   Could this be because they are using the original tubs placed by Maxis?

Just to make it clear, I do NOT have the warmth fix mod install in the game right now.

[Emma]

I've noticed that in winter, when the hot-tubs are outdoors, the sims temperature falls rather than rises or staying the same. When they get out they are shivering! Is this right?

[J. M. Pescado]

The hot tub is not a source of temperature stability. Rather, it raises temperature by specific amounts every interval. So when a sim is in the hot tub, two conflicting forces battle over the sim's temperature: The decay for being outside in the cold naked or in a swimsuit, vs. the heat added by the hot tub. What outcome results from this fighting will vary widely, but for the most part, a sim cannot freeze because the -1/15m decay from reaching -95 will not be able to beat out the heat from the tub itself, so sims will most likely stick there.

[Apsalar]

I installed the hack and so far I've been most pleased by it. I even got a sim 'sunburned' which haven't happened that much before. I don't know why I was worried, maybe because I was non-awesomely ignorant of how the hack works. I did notice though, that my sims seem to be able to reach the blue level indoors in the winter - plus he did the 'ooh it's cold reaction' - I checked the roof, and it was intact. Not that I complain, I thought it was very realistic. My sims did get warm when she went to bed. The other sim got warm when she was napping on the sofa.

[Zazazu]

Navigator, when checking for indoors temperature integrity, you need to check 3 things.

1. Is the space completely enclosed by walls? (yeah, I know, that's a bit obvious)
2. Is the space completely covered by a roof?
3. If on the ground level, is the floor completely tiled? (this was the death of one of my sims)

If you've checked all three, your last solution is to cover the level the roof rests on with roof tiles. Sometimes the way the roofs are drawn leaves gaps that aren't noticeable by anything but the code vagaries.

[jsalemi]

I had an odd one last night where sims were getting cold in one bathroom on the first floor, and when it snowed there was snow in the bathroom.  Found out that it was caused by an in-floor hottub being in the open deck above the bathroom -- the game saw that as a hole in the roof!  Got rid of the in-floor and everything was fine.

[J. M. Pescado]

Another caveat: the "attic wall" produced by drawing gable roofs is not an insulated wall and will not stop temperature loss. OFB dome and cone roofs are also believed to be ineffective: Such structures need you to cover the top surface of the room with floor.

[Apsalar]

Ah, it probably is the roof then. I know I used to cover with tiles in another lot when it snowed inside when I used the cone roof. I didn't think that the same could happen with other toofs aswell. How non-awesome of me.
It's pretty annoying how eaxis made those roofs then, how hard could it be to make that right? The roof are based on how many tiles it's placed on, right? The other stuff is just graphics, right? Or not.

[Emma]

Another caveat: the "attic wall" produced by drawing gable roofs is not an insulated wall and will not stop temperature loss. OFB dome and cone roofs are also believed to be ineffective: Such structures need you to cover the top surface of the room with floor.

Yeah, I was going to post this, I discovered if there is a floor above the attic space then the temperature stays constant. I noticed because I wanted to put the stupid DJ booth my sim was desperate to buy up there

[Sivany]

I'm glad other people have had their sims getting cold indoors, it happened to me for the first time the other day when I played the Maxis-made fraternity from sim state university. That house looks big and draughty though so it was quite realistic. Can't see how it was to do with the roof though because I'm sure the second floor covers the first completely. Maybe I'm remembering wrong though, I'll check it out next time I play.

On another note, how hot does it have to be for a sim to get sunburnt and how long do they have to be outside? I've left my sims out for ages in what I thought was hot weather (debugger shows outdoor temp as about 40 which is the highest it's ever gone for me) and none of them have ever sunburnt. Am I not leaving them out there long enough or is it just that my sims suffer from crappy summers and 40 isn't actually that hot at all?

[jsalemi]

40 isn't that hot -- the 'comfort range' is pretty much described as +/-30, and sims don't really start getting cold until the temp drops to -60 or more. The range is +/-100, so I suspect the outdoor temp has to get up over 60 (maybe even over 80) for them to sunburn.  That may only happen in very mid-summer (I haven't gotten there yet in my game ).

There's a whole discussion of temperature issues over in The War Room: http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,7656.0.html