This new furious state

[Kitiara]

In reality that is a condom filled with warming liquid they are throwing.

Not in my game it isn't.

[Myth]

I think the furious Sims make the game more interesting.  I agree that they can be a pain when you send your Sim downtown, especially if they are a Romance Sim.  My Don Lothario, who has woohooed every single Sim in Pleasantview, cannot go downtown without getting slapped around.  He definitely can't date in public either.  There's always another flame around when he does.

I had created a female Sim to check out the vamp teeth option in Body Shop and then imported her and started working on her house.  I decided I wanted her to be a vampire after all.  I invited Don over (he is my only playable vampire) after she had a bad date with JoeBlowSim.  (I'm trying so hard for the flaming poo.)

That night the bad date stole her newspaper and then showed a few hours later and kept playing ring and run.  With Metrola's Mind Control Mirror I selected Don to see if I could make him scare the date away.  When I clicked on the furious pranker there was an option to pay him off.  When you do he doesn't promise that he will leave her alone, just leave her alone for the time being.

The surprises keep coming with the furious ones.

[Kristalrose]

I like the furious ones, to a point.  I had this guy Larry who was in love at UNI (He graduated before I installed NL) with Rachel.  Rachel liked another YA, Mathew, and was kissing Mathew on a Uni-community Lot when Larry just happened to materialize and smack the crap out of her.  Now that I have NL, Larry is furious with Rachel.  I played him for a week of Sim-days, and he still thinks about her with the flaming though-balloons.  She showed up on his lot one night, out of the blue, and I thought he was going to have a heart attack!  He ran outside and acted like he wanted to slap her, so I told him to just ask her to leave.  He did, then crossed his arms and watched her go, flames still shooting out of his head.  I even fixed him up with another Sim.  She just wants to marry him and have his baby, but he can't get Rachel out of his mind. He can be making out with the new girlfriend and think of Rachel. 

It's a little spooky and realistic, actually. I'm playing the game and yelling at him, "Good Greif, get over her, already!!"  LOL LOL

[Onibi]

I admit to liking the furious state when it is an acceptable consequence, but I've already seen that state come about for the wrong reasons. For instance, like someone else said, the neat kid got angry at the toddler for playing in the toilet. Something similar happened with my neat sim and his girlfriend. I wanted to see how pranking sims your sims is friends/lovers with is, and so I had him water balloon his girlfriend. They had a great laugh about it, but he was suddenly furious with her and I had no idea why. I think it's because of the puddles that appeared after he hit her with the balloon. It struck me as odd that he'd be furious with her as a result of something he did.

[Myth]

I haven't had them get mad for silly reasons like that, and am not looking forward to that one.  But another good use of the furious Sims is to have a Sim fall out of love and/or lose a crush with the other Sim.  (I've had 0/0 relationship points because it was so long since an old Sim affair, but darn if they didn't still have the hearts.)  But with the furious actions the pink and red hearts disappear.  Also since the furious state only last through a certain time period, to me it's easy enough to get them furious at the other, lose the love relationship and then over time make up but keep it as friends.

[Howabominable]

One of the problems is townies and npcs are so darn RUDE. Once Remington the maid was hanging out at the house and he started poking and insulting one of my sims for no reason! This was BEFORE NL, by the way. after a while they became enemites, and I decided to make them fight, since Remington seriously deserved to get his butt kicked (which is what happened, twice). I let the gardener hang out one day too and she started poking and insulting the same sim Remington hated, but I sent her away. Neither sim has been allowed to hang out at the house since.

After getting NL I sent one family to the lot, and a townie sim started poking an insulting THAT SAME SIM (but I couldn't control him as he wasn't in the family I was playing). They eventually got into a fight. My sim won again. He's the most kick-butt elder I have (but I'm not saying it's cause he's black or anything LOL).

What I'm getting at is, townies need to be nicer. I'm sick of them coming up to my sims and acting like jerks and causing problems. I don't mind that sims get mad at each other, it makes the game more interesting. But I would like it if it didn't happen to the extent it's happening now. An occasional fight is fine, but when certain townies go around making enemies with everyone there's a problem.

6. Sims are way too possessive about crushes. Seems to me that sims shouldn't ever get furious at a crush for dating someone else, but they should get furious at the person that sim is dating.

I disagree to some extent. In real life when I had a crush and found out he was dating someone else, I was ticked off at HIM, not his date. But that's just me

I agree with everything else you said tho.

Something I found weird was when I had an adult swim clean the fish tank (which put a puddle of water on the floor) her father upstairs became FURIOUS with her, while he was woohooing with his wife. I mean, if I was having sex with my husband and mu grown daughter cleaned a fish tank and got some water on the gorund I wouldn't immediately get out and become furious with her. That doesn't make any sense. It's funny if it's siblings, but I think that was a dumb reason to get angry.

[Brynne]

Dumb reason to stop woohooing, too.  Fishtank birthcontrol.

[ZiggyDoodle]

It's not only jealousy or rejection that causes fury: One of my Uni YAs was on a dinner date.  His mother walked in (who should have been at home tending to her twin toddlers) and I swear there was steam coming out of her ears when she saw them.  The negative signs were coming off her head as fast as popcorn popping.

Of course, part of her problem could have been that her son's dinner date was Nanny Poppins, a live-in nanny I created and who lived with them for a time before going off to another nanny job.  Maybe it was the age difference that bothered her? 

Sigh.  Guess they won't be hiring Nanny Poppins to help out with those todders...

[Ancient Sim]

I have a rather amusing scenario going on connected with this which I'm really enjoying seeing unfold.  It involves Heather Huffington, former Greek Sorority member.  The game had her set as Romance, I changed her to Fortune (well, swopped her with Brittany Upsnott basically) and now I've made her Pleasure. 

Before I installed NL, she married someone she knew vaguely at Uni, although he left long before her so was quite a lot older.  He's a Knowledge Sim and totally different to Heather - in fact, they're total opposites.  Opposites, of course, attract (although I've noticed the new attraction system doesn't allow for this AT ALL) and they ended-up together.  Once I installed the expansion, things deteriorated fast as far as Jerome was concerned.  Everytime Heather had a shower, he became angry with her to the point where he was in the low 60s in both daily & lifetime, although Heather was obliviously still on 100/100.  At first they had no lightning strikes, but did develop one after a while (presumably due to them being married). 

They had a newborn baby when I installed the expansion, although Heather was totally disinterested in her even before her aspiration change.  While I was playing someone else's lot, they were ipart of a group outing which included Heather and her husband and Heather's husband's dead father's widow, Andrea Ruben (not his mother).  In the group was also Heather's old college crush, Castor Nova (nothing like the game arranging things to fit!).  Jerome's brother William was also in the group.  The only other member I can remember is Beau Broke (now an elder), who for some reason appears in almost every group outing.

Heather deliberately flirted with Castor twice, although there was no response from her husband or Andrea, as they were in another room playing snooker.  William, however, saw everything and stormed-up very angrily, immediately dropping to -100/-100 with Heather (who he had one, maybe two lightning strikes for).  He's Romance, by the way.  Castor then succumbed and held hands with Heather, just at the point where Jerome and Andrea came out of the snooker room.  You can guess the rest. 

Heather now lives alone Downtown.  Everytime she went on a date, her ex was there hanging around, although once he stopped being furious with her he stopped appearing.  William also kept making an appearance, constantly poking Heather and shoving her.  Then everything changed.  Although William was still around -30/-30 towards her, he walked up to her out of the blue (while she was on a first date with Don Lothario) and hugged her.  Then he hugged her again ... and again.  Since then, he keeps turning-up on her dates and doing this.  He now has 3 lightning strikes for her (and for no one else) and it's only a matter of time as their relationship is positive again now. 

I found it quite intriguing to watch how all this occurred, especially the way William deliberately set about changing his relationship with Heather because he had realised how much he fancied her - in other words, his loyalty to his brother has taken second place to his lust.  You just can't trust a Romance Sim.  Can't wait to see how their first date goes ...

[cwieberdink]

I have a rather amusing scenario going on connected with this which I'm really enjoying seeing unfold.  It involves Heather Huffington, former Greek Sorority member.  The game had her set as Romance, I changed her to Fortune (well, swopped her with Brittany Upsnott basically) and now I've made her Pleasure. 

Ancient Sim, that is a GREAT story!  I was so entertained.  Man, I wish I had more time for game playing.  I am so bummed that I didn't really get to play on Sunday because I was trying to restore my backup sims.  :-P

C

[Ancient Sim]

Here I am again, this time with a real poser.

I have this Romance Sim, Martha.  In her late teens she had her Very First WooHoo with another teen (quite a lot younger), namely Henry Broke, son of Robert Broke (the child Brandi was pregnant with at the start).  This was a casual woo-hoo courtesy of TwoJeffs' mod (they'd only just met) and they weren't friends at the end of it.  Martha went off to college and while there met and fell in love with Spankideli Broke, son of Dustin & Angela and cousin of Henry.  She had no contact whatsoever with Henry whilst at college.  When she left, she went back to her former home with Spankideli (her parents were both dead).  A short while later, while visiting the neighbourhood bordello, she woo-hooed with Henry again a couple of times  (still a teen but slightly older) on one of Lizzlove's woo-hoo beds, resulting in them falling in love.  She hasn't seen him or spoken to him again since.  After this point, I installed Nightlife.

Today, Spankideli took Martha out to dinner on an official date.  All was going very well (despite Mrs Crumplebottom's constant attempts to ruin things) when suddenly Vincent Broke appeared out of nowhere wanting to slap both Spankideli and Martha.  Vincent is Brandi's son to Vince Walter the headmaster, so is half-uncle if you like to Spankideli and Henry.  He had never met either of his nephews, nor Martha.  In the end, he and Spankideli had a fight, which unfortunately Spankideli lost (probably due to the Fight Mod, Spankideli was below average in fitness and hasn't a great number of body points).  Spankideli went from not knowing Vincent at all to being well in the minus against him and furious with him.  Vincent, on the other hand, isn't furious against Spankideli or Martha. 

I could only assume that Vincent was angry (or whatever he was) because he considered Martha & Spankideli were betraying Henry, but I checked in SimPE and he has no memories pertaining to any relationship between Martha & Henry.  The only memories he has of any of them are the usual telepathic ones of his nephews growing up well and so on.  There is absolutely no other connection between Vincent and these three that could possibly have caused this.

Apart from the fact that I am totally puzzled as to what the problem was (I do wish there was some way of finding out - it isn't jealousy, because there is a fight token "Don't mess with a love rival" or something and Spankideli doesn't have that, not that he is a rival anyway) there is also the ridiculous situation here of Vincent being angry at Spankideli, who had done nothing wrong!  Presumably the Romance Mod would ensure that in a situation like this, Vincent would only be angry with Martha, because it's ludicrous that he fought with Spankideli like that, especially as they're related.  In reality, he would have taken him to one side and said "Now, about your girlfriend ...". 

After they got home I changed Martha's aspiration to Popularity.  She's never really been a proper Romance Sim and has never woo-hooed with anyone else except at the bordello.  I also did this because Spankideli wants to get engaged and Martha got pregnant after their second woo-hoo in the photobooth (which Vincent was totally enraged about).  I am going to remove the hearts with Henry, which would never have been there anyway if I hadn't been using the Inteenimater.  As things stand now, there can't be a romantic relationship between Martha & Henry anymore so the hearts shouldn't be there.  It's silly anyway, Henry is still only 18 and Martha is 29.  Not sure if removing the hearts will make any difference if they meet-up with Vincent again, but hopefully it should. 

I do wish I knew more about what causes these furious feelings - well, not furious really as Vincent wasn't furious, I don't know what he was, defending Henry, I suppose.  The only furious ones were Spankideli & Martha.  I find it really hard to work this one out with Vincent not having any memories of anything between Martha & Henry.  I suppose it's down to them being stored somewhere inaccessible again, such as the objects.package file.  It's all very confusing.

[J. M. Pescado]

I'm sure I'll get to dig into this when I finally get the game.

[Brynne]

What is the "don't mess with a love rival" token for, anyone know?
I'm also having problems making sense of this whole furious thing. Simpe doesn't give any clues in the memory editor, as far as I can tell. But I have a lot of sims who have the red film over the portraits of others, and I can't trace it back to anything. Out of a pair of teen brothers, one is furious with his cousin (I guess for messing with his half-sister, who is dating another cousin-on his side, of course), but the other brother is fine with it. Both were witnesses to the event. Besides, the cousin didn't do anything wrong, anyway. The half-sister flirted with him, which is more of lack of romance mod issue. I'm constantly trying to patch these kinds of relationships up, and most of the time I  don't know what's wrong in the first place.

[dizzy]

I think tokens are used to keep track of whether rivalry has been resolved somehow. So, a "don't mess with romantic rival" would probably keep track of when to stop doing romantic rival socials.

[vecki]

I have no idea what can set off a furious state (aside from cheating - but even that doesn't seem consistent) and it's driving me nuts.

Kaylynn's son Kevin suddenly became furious at one of his triplet brothers - I forget which (at the time, all of Kaylynn's four boys were children) for no reason I could see.  In fact the only reason I knew Kevin was furious was that I had Gametips on at the time and it popped up to tell me that one of my sims was furious at the other.

All I know is that they were in the bathroom at the time, and I know Kevin is a neat freak so was wondering if sloppy sims making a mess could set off a neat sim?

[Ancient Sim]

All I know is that they were in the bathroom at the time, and I know Kevin is a neat freak so was wondering if sloppy sims making a mess could set off a neat sim?

In a word, yes.  Heather Huffington has 1 neat point and her husband had 9.  Everytime she had a shower he was furious with her, to the point where he was down to 62/62 (Heather, oblivious, was still on 100/100).  I think I mentioned it earlier, in my first l-o-n-g post not far up from this one.  Sniff, you didn't read it, sniff. 

[lefty]

I'm quite fond of the fighting, but it hasn't reached extreme levels like some have reported here.
All I can remember once is right before my sim drove off home from a dance club, and a fight had broken out on the dance floor. Made me lol, seems like normal nightlife to me.

The furious state I've only seen once, when I sent a husband to check out a vase of flowers that had arrived for his wife.... It was from a dream date she had while he was at home taking care of the baby. The relationship level dropped from 100 to the 10s-20s, and I was kinda disappointed when a few kisses and hugs from him to her repaired the relationship so quickly.

[Andygal]

I think tokens are used to keep track of whether rivalry has been resolved somehow. So, a "don't mess with romantic rival" would probably keep track of when to stop doing romantic rival socials.

Yeah the "don't mess with romantic rival" thing happens after your sim clobbers a rival totally in a fight, it means that they will never ever be a romantic rival to that sim again.

[vecki]

All I know is that they were in the bathroom at the time, and I know Kevin is a neat freak so was wondering if sloppy sims making a mess could set off a neat sim?

In a word, yes.  Heather Huffington has 1 neat point and her husband had 9.  Everytime she had a shower he was furious with her, to the point where he was down to 62/62 (Heather, oblivious, was still on 100/100).  I think I mentioned it earlier, in my first l-o-n-g post not far up from this one.  Sniff, you didn't read it, sniff. 

Oops.  Daily Idiot = Me.

[dizzy]

I think there's a certain amount of randomness to what triggers a Furious state, just to keep things interesting.

[Ancient Sim]

I think Maxis are sort of encouraging the furious state.  Has anyone noticed that the visitors who make-up these group outings Sims get invited to are definitely not randomly-arranged? 

I've had several that have clearly been deliberately arranged to cause maximum damage. one which I've mentioned earlier.  I had two more of them yesterday.  First of all a female Romance Sim was invited out by her secret lover and father of her equally secret lovechild, Adrian Lothario (son of Don).  When she arrived, not only was Adrian there, also Don (who she fancies just as much but hasn't had a relationship with ... yet), Adrian's half-sister (OK so far) ... then we get Adrian's fiancee, another secret lover of Adrian's and a token guest who didn't seem to fit in anywhere (there is always at least one of those).  Luckily, nothing untoward happened on this occasion.

I then went to the lot where my two vampires live and one of them was invited out, this time by a female friend of hers.  When she arrived, the female friend was accompanied by Adrian Lothario again (yet another of his secret lovers), Don Lothario (also this girl's lover and father of her daughter), the girl's roommate (the girl's lover and also Don Lothario's lover, not to mention also the mother of his daughter), a townie who is in love with the roommate ... I think that's all the relevant ones.  The inevitable happened and Don decided to goose the inviter's roommate.  This trashes her relationship with her roommate and also with the townie.  It also badly affects Don & Adrian's relationship and the only reason for that was because Adrian must have assumed Don was being unfaithful to Dina, who has been dead around 20 years.  I exited out without saving so I could remove the "I am married to Dina" entry in SimPE (grrrrrrrrrrr at the stupidity of that).

Amyway, the point is these outings must be arranged deliberately to provoke this kind of thing, because there is no way they're random.  OK, it keeps you on your toes, but without the Romance Mod it's a nightmare.  A son falling out with his father because he pinched a woman on her bum two decades after his mother died?!

[Brynne]

I agree, it is almost impossible to play romance sims with this new furious system, and lack of romance mod. I've had to resort to using the Insiminator to turn off lot jealousy, which I hate to do. But it's ridiculous that Joe and Brandi Broke's grown-up sons get furious with him when they see him flirting with his long-time wife. Joe and Brandi were never married to begin with, and...well, you know. I don't need to go into exactly how little sense it makes. I'm spending the whole game patching up relationships now.

[skandelouslala]

I think Maxis are sort of encouraging the furious state.  Has anyone noticed that the visitors who make-up these group outings Sims get invited to are definitely not randomly-arranged? 

Ah yes..I noticed this quite soon after getting the game.

Logic would tell you not to bring 6 of your lovers together on a group outing, no?

When I first got the game one of my sims got one of those random calls "hey you wanna hang out downtown".  It was her baby daddy lol so I figured why not.

Our subjects are Ricky..who has woohooed most of  the current generation in the neighborhood but has been rather successful at keeping it all on the down low and Joy..who has done the same thing as Ricky..disaster waiting to happen.

 They all arrive downtown and 8 sims climb out of  the little junk car (hilarious in and of itself or maybe I just find it hilarious b/c it takes me back to my teenage years "Let's see how many people we can fit into a geo metro!  ) Anyways...Ricky and Joy get out...along with 6 of Ricky's lovers.  Oh good lawd.  Somebody decides to perform a romantic interaction and all hell breaks loose.

The love/crush thing has been pissing me off in general since installing NL. 

YA and adult...heck even teent sims need a system where a little pink or red heart doesn't cause sim life altering anger.  It makes taking your sim out on multiple dates with multiple sims almost pointless in a way.

Since this post is already long I'll elaborate on my pipe dream

Engaged/ married sims obviously get furious if they catch their partner cheating.  Makes sense and works.  But what about sims you just want to date around?  There should be an option where they can commit to one or more sims (if they choose to commit to more than one the jealousy thing can still happen between those who are committed)  If they aren't committed then other sims they are dating should not totally care if they see there date from last Friday on a date with somebody new this Friday...regardless of crush or love hearts in the relationship panel.  To make it slightly more realistic the relationship could take a small hit..maybe 5 points or so but nothing more.  Just like in real life scenerios if you have a crush on somebody it doesn't necessarily mean that you are exclusive to that person.  Same with love...you can love somebody and ummm yeah they might not love you back.  Crap happens.  That's the short version of my vision lol   To sum it up there needs to be more determining factors to a 'relationship' than those damned pink and red hearts.

And what is up with Bob catching Betty cheating with Joe...he walks up..smacks Betty around and is pissed at Joe as well..however the whole time Joe stands there and smiles..hell he might even wave at Bob...you were getting cheated on too dumbass.  I know I'd be wondering if my man had random women running up to him smacking him whenever I kissed him in public.

 

[sanmonroe]

Something really entertaining about the new furious state.

Have a vampire piss off another vampire, make them furious and enemies.

Then you get to see the enemy vampire show up 5 or 6 times during the day, sneak over to the trash can, paper, etc, burning with the sun, and scream "AHHH THE SUN!!" and run away.

That is an ANGRY vampire to come cross town during the day to steal your newspaper.

[sonofajoiner]

One thing Ive never understood is why the sim who catches their love cheating is the one who has to apologise!

I'm quite liking the furious state though. I witnessed a hilarious (and quite inexplicable) series of violent fights between a virile young man and an elderly muslim lady that they chose to have whilst welcoming another sim family to the neighbourhood. The family moved out again shortly afterwards.