Biting Rules

[Ancient Sim]

I'm not the first person to say this, but I do feel that the criteria for what causes a vampire to bite a Sim is a little strange.  Last night, Lilith Pleasant (4 days to popping her clogs) took exception to Count Wayne Gallagher (probably didn't like his name) and before I knew it they were fighting.  Lilith won.  Before this, he'd been arguing with Don Lothario (2 or 3 days to second death) and after the first fight finished, he was fighting with Don.  Don won and after a few more interchanges, the Count turned into a bat and flew off.  Don wasn't defending Lilith incidentally, he doesn't like her either.  Both Lilith and Don are 100% fit, incidentally.  Lilith has been a General for years and Don is almost at the top of the Athletic career.  This is the second enemy he has made through fighting on dance floors.

The Count was -100/-100 towards both of these two.  Now, the way I see it, that would be all the reason he would need to bite their necks like he'd never bitten a neck before.  But the way the game works, they only bite people they like?  Does this mean the game is saying that vampirism is something positive rather than negative, because I would have thought that would depend on the aspiration of the Sim.  I know aspiration is taken into account, but only when the relationship is positive.  It seems that when it's negative, the vampires just become like ordinary Sims and follow the usual negative actions of fighting and so on.  Maybe the nastier ones (this Count has 3 in Nice) at least should be more likely to bite their enemies.

[Trubble]

You've picked up on what I find a bit pointless about the whole thing.

I understand that it might put the rating up or some such thing, but I would have gone about it differently - simvampires choose to bite their close friends and bring them over to vampire life, or choose to "drain" their enemies as it were - they could possibly stop before the needs got too low, or kill them completely. I would have liked this better

[Ancient Sim]

Yes, that's a good idea, draining them.  I saw someone else mention that somewhere, may have been you.  I think it should depend on aspiration as to whether they bite their enemies or not -the aspiration of the bitee, that is.  I don't even have a vampire yet because I'm waiting for it to happen 'naturally', although after 10 days of waiting I think I might have to give in and cheat.  I could have used influence, but I don't even want to do that.  I only have 3 Sims with vampiric relationships almost at friend level and I don't really fancy having any of them as vampires.  I did get one to invite her vamp friend to a group outing though and the vamp ended-up alone on a table with my Self Sim, who is definitely vampire material (rofl), so I think I will pursue that relationship now it's been established.  Unfortunately, the vampire had to rush off because daylight interfered with the socialising.

I have this horrid feeling that once I actually get a vampire, I am going to be disappointed.  The zombies became boring very quickly, I know that.  I probably won't let them stay vampires long anyway, it just means more lots to play if the characters never die and new ones keep being born.

[J. M. Pescado]

Actually, vampires mean LESS characters to play. If a character is immortal, then he does not need to be played to maintain time-sync with the rest of the neighborhood. So if you turn the sole member of the household into a vampire, he won't ever NEED to be played unless you feel like it, since he'll always be in sync with the neighborhood: He's immortal.

[nothingbutsims]

I have this horrid feeling that once I actually get a vampire, I am going to be disappointed. 

I found them to be quite boring.  They sleep all day in their coffins and at 7:00 p.m. sharp, the rise and you take care of whatever needs they have and they are good to go until the sun comes up.  It's as if they are under a constant regeneration cycle while it is dark.  Once they eat or use the bathroom, etc., at night, they never need to do so again until daylight comes around, then their needs start to fall off.  I suppose that is good if you want to spend all night with them at a club downtown, or have them as knowledge sims and study all night.

[Gus Smedstad]

When I read how they worked, I fully expected them to be boring.  As you say, they have so few needs compared to ordinary Sims that they're not interesting.  I suppose they might be a tad tougher if you played strict "no daylight, ever" rules with them, which would make most jobs impossible, but they could still make money through art or writing, so that's not that tough.

 - Gus

[Hook]

At least vampires are more fun to play than zombies.

I had a Sim I intended to become a vampire.  After she finally found a grand vampire on a community lot, she had to build relationship with him.  He didn't bite her until they were at least best friends, possible already in love.  It took longer than I expected.

With permanent platinum and all her needs green due to vampirism, there's not a lot of point in playing her.  Add that she's got all the money she'll ever need, AND an expensive sports car, other than making other vampires, why bother to play her?

Hook

[Oddysey]

At least vampires are more fun to play than zombies.

With permanent platinum and all her needs green due to vampirism, there's not a lot of point in playing her.  Add that she's got all the money she'll ever need, AND an expensive sports car, other than making other vampires, why bother to play her?

The point?

Bleh!! Bleh!!!

That's why *I* play vampires.

[cyperangel]

*I* Made one single vampire.

And I emphasise the One... I cured every other vampire I ever found with the vamprocillin potion.

This one vampire lives ina grand estate. She is currently keeper of the dead, with graves, photographs of the dead and the whole shabang. Ive made her a big palace to go with it, and a large mausoleum. I actually never thought I would get any use for the 5x5 lot or even the 5x6 lot, but now it comes in handy.

In case anybody wonders, her name is Maharet. Yeah, I am inspired by the book. But the rest of the "family" is alphabetized. First generation starting with A, second with B, third with C and so on. Except the keeper of the dead.

[Trubble]

Maharet? Interesting choice, if I am getting your reference. My legacy is currently using the names of the 13 Mayfair witches for each heir.

[Zoltan]

The point?

Bleh!! Bleh!!!

That's why *I* play vampires.

I laffed so hard with my first sim made a vampire ; all the "bleh" and "hiss" and hissing at mirrors   

[Zythe]

Well, the reason it's positive is because of the teen rating and bastards who will accuse sims of being some sort of evil device. More evidence of this, is available in the want to bite another sim, where the flavour text reads that they "want more vampire friends". They don't seem mean at all, yet some sims hate them. Reason? Well, in their pursuit not to offend crazy far-right catholic lawyers, they've created racism.

I'm sure Maxis expects the community to change this to suit their needs, though. It's just *they* can't put it in themselves.

[witch]

Hey, cool name ideas Trubble & Cyperangel, mind if I plagiarise? I wondered how I could keep generations straight in my mind, I was reluctantly thinking of doing family charts in Visio or something but it all just seems so anal at that stage. I already have Uni triplets called Alpha, Beta and Delta

Jordi has a name pack out too, I'm using that next time I create some townies. MikeInside has a name generater program on his site on MTS2. Or there's the old hobbit name generator on the net, wonder if it's still there?

[witch]

You've picked up on what I find a bit pointless about the whole thing.

I understand that it might put the rating up or some such thing, but I would have gone about it differently - simvampires choose to bite their close friends and bring them over to vampire life, or choose to "drain" their enemies as it were - they could possibly stop before the needs got too low, or kill them completely. I would have liked this better

Oh damn, I don't have NL yet, I would have assumed it would be what you said, drain enemies, convert friends. The vampires should particularly like to drain virgin YAs, making it a bit dangerous downtown.

Maybe this should be a hack for the wishlist. Make vampires behave like vampires.

[breyerii]

Jordi has a name pack out too, I'm using that next time I create some townies. MikeInside has a name generater program on his site on MTS2. Or there's the old hobbit name generator on the net, wonder if it's still there?

This one is not what you were searching for, but the rarity scale is useful for me.

[Trubble]

Hey, cool name ideas Trubble & Cyperangel, mind if I plagiarise? I wondered how I could keep generations straight in my mind, I was reluctantly thinking of doing family charts in Visio or something but it all just seems so anal at that stage. I already have Uni triplets called Alpha, Beta and Delta

Go nuts I'm using this tree to steal names from. Saves me having to search the books. I may well stick vampire chronicle names in for non-heir siblings.

And I would like a hack that does that, would make more sense. Zyth is right though, as I mentiond it is probably to do with the rating.

[Kitiara]

Maharet? Interesting choice, if I am getting your reference. My legacy is currently using the names of the 13 Mayfair witches for each heir.

Really? I'm not the only insane one? I already completed my 13 generations and then cheated and got Rowan alien impregnated for the 14th.

Okay. I am insane.

[skandelouslala]

At least vampires are more fun to play than zombies.

With permanent platinum and all her needs green due to vampirism, there's not a lot of point in playing her.  Add that she's got all the money she'll ever need, AND an expensive sports car, other than making other vampires, why bother to play her?

The point?

Bleh!! Bleh!!!

That's why *I* play vampires.

LOL..that's about my only reasoning as well.  Ahh  to be easily amused

[cyperangel]

Hey, cool name ideas Trubble & Cyperangel, mind if I plagiarise? I wondered how I could keep generations straight in my mind, I was reluctantly thinking of doing family charts in Visio or something but it all just seems so anal at that stage. I already have Uni triplets called Alpha, Beta and Delta

Feel free to plagiarize away as you wish

[Trubble]

Really? I'm not the only insane one? I already completed my 13 generations and then cheated and got Rowan alien impregnated for the 14th.

Okay. I am insane.

Evidently not. Although I'm only on third generation - Charlotte. She has a twin brother, Phillip - a name I randomly picked off of the family tree and modified. Did you use Julien as a generation?

[syberspunk]

Hey, cool name ideas Trubble & Cyperangel, mind if I plagiarise? I wondered how I could keep generations straight in my mind, I was reluctantly thinking of doing family charts in Visio or something but it all just seems so anal at that stage. I already have Uni triplets called Alpha, Beta and Delta

Uhh... any reason why you skipped gamma? 

I've used jordi's better names package and it's pretty cool. I'm planning on scrapping my old neighborhoods tho and starting all over anyways. Hopefully this time around my game will generate townies with no/few duped names since I'll have his mod installed from the get go.

I haven't played the game enough as it is. You guys are all crazy to have gone through 13 plus generations? haha. My sister has barely made it through 3 in her legacy game. I sorta got bored with my legacy and instead I've focused mostly on my regular game, in which I have tons of sims that I've created based mostly on people I know. Mostly my friends and some of their friends. I actually don't play Sims 2 like most peeps must in the sense of actually trying to build generations. I've been playing it mostly like the original Sims and pretty much dragging my ass sticking with the first generation since I'm trying to make my sims mimic real life as much as possible.  Which is partially why I'm rebooting my game/families so I can start over and make them even more realistic since I've created tons more sims. I didn't want my sims to miss out on dating and stuff. 

Ste

[Kukes]

Maharet? Interesting choice, if I am getting your reference. My legacy is currently using the names of the 13 Mayfair witches for each heir.

Really? I'm not the only insane one? I already completed my 13 generations and then cheated and got Rowan alien impregnated for the 14th.

Okay. I am insane.

Wow.  I was planning on doing a Mayfair family, even built myself the required houses from the books (which took forever to perfect). Haven't done it yet though, mainly due to the fact that my Forsytes (yes, I enjoy plagiarising books for my sim entertainment) - on generation six - are having too many iterations issues, so I decided to shelve the Mayfairs for the time being.

Oh, and Trubble, thanks for the link. Much easier than finding my notes from the first time I read "The Witching Hour". Printing for posterity! 

[Trubble]

You built the houses? Wowness, did you upload any of them?

And you're welcome Credit to google.

[Kukes]

No, they're still sitting in my "Mayfair" neighbourhood. I don't upload much, since it rarely gets noticed or downloaded. If you're interested, I upload them for you. It'll probably take a few days though since I'm procrastinating over a 4000 word essay draft currently.

[Trubble]

Well if you get chance, PM me and let me know if you do