Why do so many people's male sims look like women?

[gali]

Trepie is the only one that succeeded to create a male sim who doesn't look feminine, and still is gorgeous. I use his model (in various looks) to create my male sims.

...Apropo, JMP-sim is not bad at all, without the long beard....

[idtaminger]

Trepie is the only one that succeeded to create a male sim who doesn't look feminine, and still is gorgeous. I use his model (in various looks) to create my male sims.

...Apropo, JMP-sim is not bad at all, without the long beard...

Well, that still falls into the pretty boy category for me. Maybe I just have a wider definition for pretty boy. I think my general criteria is if I think he's hot, then he's pretty. Lol.

And is JM really? I think I'll have to d/l him now to see.

[gali]

Yes, idtiminger, it is JMP; I cloned him to a YA at the Body Shop, and here he is at his graduation party.

[cwieberdink]

Trepie is the only one that succeeded to create a male sim who doesn't look feminine, and still is gorgeous. I use his model (in various looks) to create my male sims.

Yeah, Trepie is in all my neighborhoods.  When I was making sim Trepie, which I just changed the eyebrows and a slightly different hair, my hubby asked me why all my male sims look like Walker: Texas Ranger.  I don't think they do, but I do like manly looking men.

Dwayne Johnson (aka The Rock) is my heartthrob.

C

[J. M. Pescado]

Those most certainly aren't my eyes or my hair. And part of the contributing factor is undoubtedly the invariant sim bodytype: The real me is somewhat squat and wide, like an oversized dwarf. And hairy. I am very hairy. I even have cheek whiskers, that the game simply doesn't have. They stick straight out and allow me to sense vibrations, such as those produced by incoming tigers, or soon-to-be-dead Galis. My real head is also slightly asymmetrically lopsided, which can't happen in sims.

And that is also the BlueSoup rendering, which suffers from BLUESOUP DISTORTION. It's hard to get a clear image with a head so fat like that. Let's not forget the lensing effect produced by the light being warped by the gravitational field generated by BlueSoup's enormously fat head before she sees it.

[idtaminger]

Most pple are flattered when they're called good-looking, JM.

[rohina]

So how does this explain why I'm attracted to teeth, spinities, and angry-eyebrows?

Auto-eroticism.

[verdaeni]

I once watched a documentary which looked into this area. It basically said women in the ovulating period tended to be attracted by more 'manly' men. Because of the instict to reproduce with the stronger more dominant types, and give your child the best chances of survival after birth and throughout their lives.
On the other days of the menstrual cycle, they tend to go for more softer lines of the face, less hairy, so more feminine-type faces, for the emotional type of guy, presumably.
At least that's what I remember about it. (Professor Robert Winston's Human body series I think-been a while)

back to this theory,  which i also saw in a documentary.. there was a second part of the postulation which i dont think was provided.. forgive me if i repeat something..  that the reason for the more emotive/feminine male attraction most of the time was because your best dna contributer does not necessarily make the best child upbringer.  in this way you would have the family-father with the more feminized features bringing up a mix of his children and children sired by 'warrior donors'.  he gets his mix in because statistically hes around more often for insemination.   this makes sense when you figure the warrior-donor is always running off to battle and getting killed.   yes up to a point skill matters but with enough battles you are going to see the attrition rate.   anyway it was a point i found interesting.

[siggylove]

Those most certainly aren't my eyes or my hair. And part of the contributing factor is undoubtedly the invariant sim bodytype: The real me is somewhat squat and wide, like an oversized dwarf. And hairy. I am very hairy. I even have cheek whiskers, that the game simply doesn't have. They stick straight out and allow me to sense vibrations, such as those produced by incoming tigers, or soon-to-be-dead Galis. My real head is also slightly asymmetrically lopsided, which can't happen in sims.

And that is also the BlueSoup rendering, which suffers from BLUESOUP DISTORTION. It's hard to get a clear image with a head so fat like that. Let's not forget the lensing effect produced by the light being warped by the gravitational field generated by BlueSoup's enormously fat head before she sees it.

The whiskers, remind me of another TV program when I was a kid, Catweazel.  Are these the sort of whiskers you mean?

[Horanda]

I know this is probably too wierd, even for this place, but I have always been more attracted by personality than appearance

And it doesn't even have to be a nice personality

[Shivani]

back to this theory,  which i also saw in a documentary.. there was a second part of the postulation which i dont think was provided.. forgive me if i repeat something..  that the reason for the more emotive/feminine male attraction most of the time was because your best dna contributer does not necessarily make the best child upbringer.  in this way you would have the family-father with the more feminized features bringing up a mix of his children and children sired by 'warrior donors'.  he gets his mix in because statistically hes around more often for insemination.   this makes sense when you figure the warrior-donor is always running off to battle and getting killed.   yes up to a point skill matters but with enough battles you are going to see the attrition rate.   anyway it was a point i found interesting.

This reminds me of The Gate to Women's Country by Sheri S. Tepper.

[siggylove]

I know this is probably too wierd, even for this place, but I have always been more attracted by personality than appearance

And it doesn't even have to be a nice personality

I know what you mean Horanda, personality is a big factor, which is fine and not to be ignored but when meeting someone in reality there has to be an element of physical attraction, a smile or a twinkle in the eye.  In my experience, looks and personality don't necessarily go hand in hand, and there are plenty of Dorien Grays out there.

[rohina]

Why are you both hitting on Pescado? It's freaking me out.

[Katze]

Sim Trepie is in all my neighbour hoods too.

[iona]

I'm guessing it's that whole anime/bishounen thing, and making sims look proper many rugged sometimes results in fugly genetics...

I fully agree with Navaya.

In Korea, most of the skin creators, like Louis at Sim Scribbling, are big fans of anime, manga and fantasy-based games.
They have practiced to draw those girly male characters since they were kids and they like the school uniforms, long-haired men, thin lips, sharp noses, etc.
I can see the result on their Self Make-up skintones and male sim hair meshes.
Do you guys remember the japanese site of The Sims, BNJ x LVR? (I don't remember the exact name of the site, but it was something like that.)
The beautiful male head skins of that site looked like girly males from anime, too.

I think this "anime & manga phenomenon" is all over Asia.
You can see it from Peggy Sims' models, Sim Scribbling's skintones, and so on.

As I don't really like japanese manga, I prefer to realistic male sims, not a pretty one. 
I hope somebody will make awesome male hairs or skintones which look more real. 

Sorry for my poor English.

[MaximilianPS]

I don't see the appeal of the skinny stick look. I prefer women that won't break in half when I hurl them into a wall.

indeed  !!!
i prefear to touch other than bones... and also, probably, they are too fragile for me

ops... maybe i'm in late

[laeshanin]

So how does this explain why I'm attracted to teeth, spinities, and angry-eyebrows?

You're not actually human? My personal believe is that you're Klingon, as well as a pirate.

I know this is probably too wierd, even for this place, but I have always been more attracted by personality than appearance
And it doesn't even have to be a nice personality

Disturbing, isn't it, that rational and intelligent people can find this attractive? I am constantly amazed by my ability to hone in on the emotionally stunted/needy/controlling or plain psycho... Not that I count myself among the blessed in the IQ department (before J.M. gets in there - or others - to point out my sad and uncool lack of grey matter).

As for male sims being pretty? It is useful as they are the ones who breed the best looking stock even though I don't mind a few freaks in my population as it throws in the odd spanner or two. On the whole I try to make mine homely looking anyway, as most of the general human population can hardly be said to be gorgeous. Most of us fall into the distinctly average range.

[siggylove]

Why are you both hitting on Pescado? It's freaking me out.

Whos hitting on Pescado?  Not me, I'm behind you and several others for Frankenbeasley

Speaking of hitting on Pescado, have you seen all the admirers over at PSMBD?  Do they have no shame?

[Nepheris]

I prefer women that won't break in half when I hurl them into a wall.

I always knew you were a romantic.

I'm with the guy/girl who suggested it might be because making male models more feminine makes it easier for females to relate to them. Also, the influence of anime on the gamer world is not to be underestimated.
I've got a feeling too that the applauders of the 'pretty boys' or 'girlie boys' (note that they're always called boys, not men) are mostly to be found in the age category between 12 and 15. (I've never met one over 15, at least, if I'm wrong correct me.) And around that age boys simply haven't developed the more typical male ruggedness yet.
Another reason might be that historically seen, women have always been seen as more aesthetically pleasing than men. So if you would want to create a beautiful male, it would be easier to make his features more feminine to please said aesthetic feeling.

It's quite difficult to portray 'beauty' in a bunch of pixels. Attraction for me has much more to do with how someone carries himself than pure looks. If you're confident and happy with yourself, it shows, and that sparkle has more charm than a porcelain doll does. I tend to fall for very extravert men, so I know for me that's at least a factor.
I also don't like pretty boys. I prefer my men more in the 'rugged' category. Sean Bean is really quite handsome, but my favourite 'celebrity' (can't believe I'm using that word) must be Ray Parks. Not immediately a shining example of beauty, but he's got that thing going that keeps me interested.
As a matter of fact, I vaguely recall my first movie crush being Jeff Goldblum in the first Jurassic Park. Attraction doesn't have to make sense, apparently.

[spookymuffin]

I've got a feeling too that the applauders of the 'pretty boys' or 'girlie boys' (note that they're always called boys, not men) are mostly to be found in the age category between 12 and 15. (I've never met one over 15, at least, if I'm wrong correct me.)

Well Im 19, and I wouldnt touch a "manly" man with a ten foot clown pole.
Personally I think it has to do with the degredation of the Y chromosome, or as was mentioned before: humans have been steadily evolving toward a more "feminine" state for some time

[Dark Trepie]

Sim Trepie is in all my neighbour hoods too.

What a coincidence!  He's in all of mine too!    

[verdaeni]

I've got a feeling too that the applauders of the 'pretty boys' or 'girlie boys' (note that they're always called boys, not men) are mostly to be found in the age category between 12 and 15. (I've never met one over 15, at least, if I'm wrong correct me.)

Well Im 19, and I wouldnt touch a "manly" man with a ten foot clown pole.
Personally I think it has to do with the degredation of the Y chromosome, or as was mentioned before: humans have been steadily evolving toward a more "feminine" state for some time

well im 50 and the only one i'd retouch was a manly man... he just had an iq of 180 or so.   he was drafted into post ww2 cleanup in the islands, you just didnt survive without becoming manly.   but i will say though i think that sadly, female is the original trait, with the y chromosome the damaged copy.  though i have never figured out how it evolved, crocodiles develop sex according to nest heat..  i dont know about all reptiles.   although susan ivanovich said it first in babylon5, i consider 'testosterone poisoning'  to be a real if untreatable condition in some men (but not all manly men).

[Dark Trepie]

but i will say though i think that sadly, female is the original trait, with the y chromosome the damaged copy.

Yeah, I've read something like this before.  I'm a damaged and incomplete woman.   I'm so depressed now. 

Where's Rippy when I need him?

[spookymuffin]

Its not that animals who have Y chromosomes are "broken" or "incomplete", the Y chromosome evolved to cause mutation, any animals that did not evolve the Y degenerated into clones and eventually died out due to their lack of diversity, for example if all male humans in the world died out, females could technically still reproduce as between two of them they have the genetic material to make a female baby, however, mutation would not occur as easily without a Y chromosome in the population, leading to a human population that is almost genetically identical, making it extremely vulnerable to disease.
It is also a common misconception that the Y chromosome is a male trait, in birds,butterflies and some reptiles it is the female that carries the Y.
The Y chromosome also does not solely decide the sex of an embryo, for example in humans, an embryo must have the Y and activate a pair of specific genes, one to stop it from becoming female and one to make it male. if any of those elements are missing the child will grow up as female or inter-sex.

[V]

Manly men, girly men, gay men... it doesn't matter. The ones that matter are the ones that you can actually have a grown-up conversation with. The ones that matter are the ones that push you to stretch your capabilities whether you want to or not. The ones that matter are the ones that make you grow and who continue to grow themselves.

All the rest are just toys.



One of my favorite books has a line that I love, "...the protective male? He is about as protective as a can opener."