Why do so many people's male sims look like women?

[J. M. Pescado]

How do you have a negative size? Does this mean you're inside out and that your insides are now your outsides?

[Zoltan]

Quote from: idtaminger on Today at 04:28:13 AM
And on a related note, I hate how pple love to bash on the skinny folks. There are lots of naturally skinny girls out there. LOTS. Just b/c America is so frigging HUGE doesn't mean that "real" women are chubby, and anyone skinny is automatically a sheepie drone who willingly starves herself to oblivion.

`No money is worth the life of your child'
Mother mourns death of model

5'8" anorexic weighed 88 lbs.
Nov. 17, 2006. 01:00 AM
ANDREI KHALIP
REUTERS NEWS AGENCY


RIO DE JANEIRO—The mother of a Brazilian fashion model who died from complications of anorexia has made an emotional appeal for parents to take better care of aspiring young models.

Ana Carolina Reston's death follows growing criticism of the use of underweight models in the fashion world, an issue given new significance after the August death of Uruguayan model Luisel Ramos of heart failure during a fashion show in Montevideo.

Reston, 21, died Tuesday in a Sao Paulo hospital from a generalized infection caused by anorexia, an eating disorder in which sufferers obsessively deprive themselves of food. Reston weighed only 88 pounds and was about 5 feet, 8 inches tall. Doctors consider the weight normal for a 12-year-old girl about 5 feet tall.

"Take care of your children ... no money is worth the life of your child, not even the most famous (fashion) brand is worth this," her mother, Miriam, told O Globo newspaper.

She said her daughter had been trying to help her family with the money she made as a model. She said she had pleaded with her daughter to eat more and to see a doctor. O Dia tabloid carried a picture of the dark-haired, big-eyed girl in lingerie on its front-page with the headline "Dictatorship of skinny look kills a model."

Many top models come from Brazil and many young girls from all walks of life dream about the catwalk, inspired by the international success of Brazilians Gisele Bundchen or Adriana Lima.

Reston was not famous but she had worked abroad, including in Japan. Her agency, L'Equipe of Brazil, said yesterday it had sent Reston to a specialist in eating disorders after she lost her job in Japan for being too thin but she missed her appointments.

"L'Equipe reiterates its philosophy of taking care of the health of its models," the agency's statement said.

"They still say she had a perfect body," model Patty Oliveira, 18, said in one of several online communities created as a tribute to Reston. "But a perfect body is a healthy body. I'm a model and I know how things work. She passed the limits."

The fashion world was rocked in September when Spain's top show barred models below a certain weight. Those with a body-mass-index (BMI), which takes into account height and weight, of less than 18 were banned. Reston's BMI was 13.5; the World Health Organization considers anyone with a BMI below 18.5 underweight. A BMI below 17.5 is a criterion for the diagnosis of anorexia nervosa and a BMI nearing 15 is usually used as an indicator for starvation.

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Anorexia claims another Brazilian model's life
Ana Carolina Reston, 5'8", weighed just 88 pounds at death
Nov. 16, 2006. 05:29 PM
REUTERS


RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil - The mother of a Brazilian fashion model who died from complications of anorexia has made an emotional appeal for parents to take better care of aspiring young models.
The death of Ana Carolina Reston, 21, follows growing criticism of the use of underweight models in the fashion world, an issue given new significance after the death in August of Uruguayan model Luisel Ramos of heart failure during a fashion show in Montevideo.

Reston died Tuesday in a Sao Paulo hospital from a generalized infection caused by anorexia, an eating disorder in which sufferers obsessively deprive themselves of food in pursuit of an ultra-slim look.

Reston weighed only 88 pounds and was about 5 feet 8 inches tall. Doctors consider the weight normal for a 12-year-old girl about 5 feet tall.

"Take care of your children ... no money is worth the life of your child, not even the most famous (fashion) brand is worth this," her mother, Miriam, told O Globo newspaper.

She said her daughter had been trying to help her family with the money she made as a model. Miriam spoke on national television and to local media to highlight the tragedy.

She said she had pleaded with her daughter to eat more and to see a doctor. "She would reply, 'Mummy, don't mess me around,"' Miriam told O Estado de S.Paulo.

O Dia tabloid carried a picture of the dark-haired, big-eyed girl in lingerie on its front-page with the headline "Dictatorship of skinny look kills a model."

Many top models come from Brazil and many young girls from all walks of life dream about the catwalk, inspired by the international success of Brazilians Gisele Bundchen or Adriana Lima.

Reston was not famous but she had worked abroad, including in Japan, and did some Giorgio Armani advertising jobs.

Her agency, L'Equipe of Brazil, said Thursday it had sent Reston to a specialist in eating disorders after she lost her job in Japan for being too thin but she missed her appointments.

"L'Equipe reiterates its philosophy of taking care of the health of its models," the agency's statement said.

It said the agency did not demand its models be super-slim.

"I'm shocked with what happened but we should not hide the fact that she was on the wrong path regarding her own health," model Patty Oliveira, 18, said in one of several online communities created as a tribute to Reston.

Despite her weight, Reston's online profile on the popular social networking site Orkut showed she was a member of food-related communities like "I love McDonald's" and "I love French fries." She was also part of the "Skinny ones rule" group.

"They still say she had a perfect body," Oliveira said. "But a perfect body is a healthy body. I'm a model and I know how things work. She passed the limits."

In September, Spain caused a storm in the fashion world when Madrid barred models below a certain weight from its top fashion show. Models with a body-mass-index (BMI), which takes into account height and weight, of less than 18 were banned.

Reston's BMI was just 13.5 while the World Health Organization considers anyone with a BMI below 18.5 underweight. A BMI below 17.5 is one of the criteria for the diagnosis of anorexia nervosa and a BMI nearing 15 is usually used as an indicator for starvation.

[J. M. Pescado]

I don't see the appeal of the skinny stick look. I prefer women that won't break in half when I hurl them into a wall.

[siggylove]

A friend of mine has a naturally skinny girlfriend, he is also attracted to heavier girls.  I was curious as to his personal tastes in women and he told me that it has nothing to do with weight or size, but proportion, as long as the waist narrows and the hips flare out, he's happy (breast size didn't come into it).

For me, I've never been attracted to pretty boys with fine features.  I like strong jaw lines & big shoulders, but hate too much muscle.  Being petite, I always seem to be attracted to ridiculously tall men but I'm sure that's to give any future male offspring a good chance of being at least close to six foot!  I remember, my first crush as a little girl, it was Starsky, from Starsky and Hutch.  All the little girls in the playground mooned over David Soul (Hutch) but I wanted the funny one who wasn't a classically good looking guy (even though I didn't understand about crushes back then).  My tastes have obviously changed some thrity years later but I suppose my point is, I don't like fine features and have always shied away from pretty boys.

Funnily enough, when Charlie's Angels first aired, my favourite was Sabrina, and when my friends and I played Charlie's Angels, I always got to be Sabrina as the other girls wanted to be the pretty one.  Silly girls, Sabrina was the one with the brains!



Edited to spell tastes instead of tates

[Zoltan]

kinda reminds me of the Ginger VS MaryAnne debate about the girls from Gilligans Island

definitely a MaryAnne fan  here 


oh and the Jennifer VS Bailey debate about WKRP

big Bailey fan   

[siggylove]

I had to look Gilligan's Island up as I'm not sure if it ever aired in the UK.  I would have preferred MaryAnne too from what I've read - hell who wouldn't prefer a girl who can man a farm singlehanded

[idtaminger]

Um...what do those articles have to do w/ my argument? Just b/c anorexia exists means that women can't be naturally skinny? Or that everyone skinny is anorexic? Please.

And when did I ever defend the extremes? If you're 5'8" and 88 lbs, it's clearly a psychological problem that goes FAR beyond merely cultural influences. Cultural standards of beauty alone do not make you anorexic. It can be a trigger for those w/ a predisposition toward body dysmorphic disorders, but it does not cause anorexia.

I'm actually not that skinny - size 2-4 depending on the brand, and no way could I fit into a size 0 - but I just hate how these arguments regarding weight are so often totally one sided, and in America, often on the side of the heavier folks.

[Orikes]

On the girly-man vs. rugged man debate:

Well, I would have taken both Legolas and Aragorn home with me...

[idtaminger]

On the girly-man vs. rugged man debate:

Well, I would have taken both Legolas and Aragorn home with me...

Oh yeah, Aragorn is hot, but as "rugged" as he is, he is still undeniably very pretty. So he's still a pretty boy, just rougher around the edges.

[Orikes]

Oh yeah, Aragorn is hot, but as "rugged" as he is, he is still undeniably very pretty. So he's still a pretty boy, just rougher around the edges.

I don't know that I'd really call Viggo Mortenson 'pretty'. He's actually a little too odd looking to be pretty. Though, I guess with the Aragorn scruff and long hair, he does have a bit of pretty about him. Eh. Whichever.

To be honest, I'd probably have taken the whole Fellowship cast home, so to speak. The hobbits are all damn cute when normal sized, and I'd love to have tea with John Rhys Davies and Ian McKellan.

[siggylove]

Aragorn pretty?  I don't find him pretty at all and I'd take him home for more than just tea, perhaps a scone with jam & cream - what did you think I was going to say?

Sean Bean (Boromir) another fine looking man and not in your pretty category.

[OpiumGirl]

I think all of the debate about skinny and heavy is fruitless.  There are pros and cons to each side, and the best is in the middle.  If you're skinny by nature, but you eat healthy food, you can be just as healthy as a moderately sized person.  The problems that come up (on both sides) are the health risks. 
So, unless you're looking for people that you can throw into walls that can bounce back and still be of use to Pescado.....
there are beautiful people on each side of the moderate spectrum, and as long as people are healthy, who gives a S##t!

[Zoltan]

Um...what do those articles have to do w/ my argument?

because you mentioned "starves herself to oblivion"; the latest death and the the Spanish decision seem very apt
you mentioned 'drones starving themselves' and I gave an example of that starving drone mentality

[J. M. Pescado]

I think all of the debate about skinny and heavy is fruitless.  There are pros and cons to each side, and the best is in the middle.  If you're skinny by nature, but you eat healthy food, you can be just as healthy as a moderately sized person.  The problems that come up (on both sides) are the health risks. 
So, unless you're looking for people that you can throw into walls that can bounce back and still be of use to Pescado.....
there are beautiful people on each side of the moderate spectrum, and as long as people are healthy, who gives a S##t!

I don't care even if they aren't healthy. If they starve to death, at least there will be something to point and laugh at.

[dream_operator]

I'm so glad that this topic was brought up here, because the same question was running through my mind.  I too like pretty boys, but I do like them to at least look male.  I've seen a lot of sims that I thought were female (from seeing the face), until I read the description.  I don't know why other girls do it, but for myself I find the more feminine face of a pretty boy to be more attractive than a rugged face.  This is especially obvious in the sims, where it can be hard to get a sim to be ruggedly handsome without looking ugly.  It's easier in real life to be ruggedly handsome, but I prefer pretty boys in real life too...especially punky or gothy ones. 

That is really fascinating about humans becoming more beautiful as the generations go on.  I can definitely see the trend.  Those women (and the men who swing that way )that live a few generations from now (if the world is still around that is) are going to be so lucky! Think of all the pretty boys there will be then to choose from! LOL!

Great topic!

Dream

[doombaby]

Oh god, just... word.
I searched everywhere for good, non-bishie male hairstyles (I never was a Sephiroth fan ), and woes, found none. I couldn't even find a shaved head (not completely bald), though I did find one for females. When it comes to male hair, I'm all for short, just a little stubble is best.

And as to the question posted in the topic - no idea, but I stopped questioning why people do stuff

*off to work on sim!WillemDafoe*

[OpiumGirl]

I don't care even if they aren't healthy. If they starve to death, at least there will be something to point and laugh at.

Well, I doubt that any of the women in your harem have a fighting chance to be hefty enough to suit your needs...They'll all end up withering away to nothing to serve your comedic pleasure.
Good luck with that. 

[idtaminger]

because you mentioned "starves herself to oblivion"; the latest death and the the Spanish decision seem very apt
you mentioned 'drones starving themselves' and I gave an example of that starving drone mentality

Yeah..and I said that someone skinny isn't automatically a sheepie drone who starves herself to oblivion. Unless that's the argument you're trying to make, I don't get the point of quoting random articles w/ no explicating comments.

there are beautiful people on each side of the moderate spectrum, and as long as people are healthy, who gives a S##t!

Well my original point was just that lots of pple love to bash, moderately skinny or very. And then it went from there. But yeah. It shouldn't be such a big deal. The media makes it seem that way, but really, it shouldn't matter so much.

[ganymede]

IMO it probably has a lot to do with individual tastes, but the difference in seeing a Sim in CAS and seeing them in game is something I tend to take into account. Most of my male Sims have a touch of eye liner and blush as well as facial hair, due to the fact that they lose accent when seen in the distance in-game, if that makes any sense. My rugged, non-made-up Sims all seemed somewhat washed-out and dull when played, whereas they had distinctive looks in CAS. OTOH, the more accentuated faces were easily recognizable in game play without having to zoom in.

[gethane]

This thread oh so appropriate after viewing the Man of the Season contest at Insim. (disclaimer: I do like insim, except for the fancy boys). If I wanted my men to look like women, I'd just date a tranny.

[kattenijin]

I wouldn't worry about that. The trend should reverse itself in the next 10 years when girlymen fall out of favor in as people struggle to survive in the wasteland that will follow the collapse of modern society and people have to kill each other over what is left to survive.

Actually, it's about 13 more years before the colapse; which will occur at 12:00am on January 1st 2020. A masive power outage in the north east, caused by the minions of a doomsday cult who are eager to hasten in the "end times", sends a false signal to a series of missile launching silos. Presto, WW3; which lasts all of 30 minutes. 

[laeshanin]

Aragorn pretty?  I don't find him pretty at all and I'd take him home for more than just tea, perhaps a scone with jam & cream - what did you think I was going to say?

Sean Bean (Boromir) another fine looking man and not in your pretty category.

Sean Bean? Sharpe? Oh yes! We just have to compare notes sometime as we have remarkably similar taste... 

On another note, isn't it interesting how this thread has evolved into the weight issue again? It seems that despite all our protestations it is something that looms in the public psyche when really it should mean feck all. I believe that the rule of thumb is the waist/hip ratio for blokes and what they find attractive as this denotes a breeder and that we ladies have the upper hand because we're likely to go for a male that is able to look after us - and our dependent offspring for the many years it takes for them (spawn - not men  ) to come to maturity. In this respect, being a bit on the flabby side for a woman would be an evolutionary advantage (healthier and more secure pregnancies) as she can stock food on her hips. We are animals, pure and simple and, although what we are is covered over by a very thin veneer, instinct will out very occasionally.

[siggylove]

Any time Laeshanin

[J. M. Pescado]

So how does this explain why I'm attracted to teeth, spinities, and angry-eyebrows?

[Dark Trepie]

So how does this explain why I'm attracted to teeth, spinities, and angry-eyebrows?

A fetish perhaps?