When do they whine?

[dadditude]

Ok, this is probably a strange question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway, because I need to know.

At what point (from -100 to 100) does a sim first complain about low bladder motive without any mods in place to prevent such complaints?

Also, what personality points cause the fastest drain on the bladder motive? I'm guessing lazy slobs would be worst. Is that right?

[ZephyrZodiac]

Round about the same time you would, is my guess!

[dadditude]

LOL! You don't know me very well, then... I'm such a couch/mouse potato that I usually wait 'til my bladder bar's about to burst before I take care of the problem... But then again, that's probably more information than you wanted to know!

[ZephyrZodiac]

Well, I think that's about the same for sims.

[flowerchile]

Well, I think that's about the same for sims.

I'll bet Sims don't have to worry about sneezing..
P.S.  Nice to see you again ZZ!

[ZephyrZodiac]

Well, if they have flu or a cold, they do!  And the reach bladder critical VERY quickly when they're ill!

[J. M. Pescado]

At what point (from -100 to 100) does a sim first complain about low bladder motive without any mods in place to prevent such complaints?

Methinks it's -60, but it might be -40.

Also, what personality points cause the fastest drain on the bladder motive? I'm guessing lazy slobs would be worst. Is that right?

Amazingly enough, sims of an age category all of equivalently-sized bladders, and no normal sim's bladder motive has a faster drain rate than any other.

Kinda unrealistic, given that we all know some people have puny walnut-sized bladders that run the risk of an accident if they try to hold it longer than 2 hours, whereas others of us have long-range tanks the size of Texas or even Alaska, and can last without any discomfort for over a day, then piss like a horse. I, for instance, can hold over a two-liter bottle's worth. Not bad, at 66. I have nothing in common with Sim-elders in that respect.

[ZephyrZodiac]

Nothing at all, it seems!  Wish I could say the same!

[J. M. Pescado]

Nothing at all, it seems!  Wish I could say the same!

It's all about eating raw meat. Eating raw meat makes you tough and hard.

[ZephyrZodiac]

Either that or you get worms!

[verdaeni]

my sims will annoyingly not interrupt what they are doing until they are almost at the complete red end of their bar.  then they will waste time whining about it they should spend running to the head.  ive had a couple pee the floor because they used what little time they had whining instead of running...  but others make it to the head in time.    i think the whole whining thing is stupid if there is some way to achieve their need they should just do that.  whining should be reserved for hungry but no food in refrig, or bathroom full...

[ZephyrZodiac]

Thing that used to annoy me most was how the maid would stand outside the bathroom and complain!

[J. M. Pescado]

THe extended wave-and-whine set tends to be bad. Try combining the effects of "lesswhiny" with "dontwaveatme". And also use Macros.

[Ancient Sim]

I, for instance, can hold over a two-liter bottle's worth. Not bad, at 66. I have nothing in common with Sim-elders in that respect.

JM casually slipping his age in there?  Seems a bit strange, does that. 

As for my bladder, I am forever on the toilet, but it's nothing to do with being a wuss.  Drinking lots of coffee doesn't help of course, but in the main it was caused by childbirth (having 5 babies may not affect a Sim bladder, but it definitely affects a human one) and I therefore cannot take responsibility for the resultant weakening of my waterwork system. 

[ZephyrZodiac]

Ancient, I never had any babies, but I did have two gynae ops, and I've had a problem ever since the second one!  Consequently, I don't know any more what it is to oversleep!

[verdaeni]

i have just about every pescado hack running and they still whine too much.  im wondering if im using the macrostatistics right.

[ZephyrZodiac]

Mine almost never whine!  (But then I cheat!)

[verdaeni]

i have this real low tolerance for whining (unless im doing it).   if one of mine yawns in a days play i get irritated.

[ZephyrZodiac]

I absolutely hate that "Um-diddley-ah hum" noise that Cassandra goth and her ilk are always making.

[verdaeni]

i hadnt noticed it before but you now i'll notice and it will bother me too!

[ZephyrZodiac]

She frequently does a yawning action with her hand too!  Maddening when she's just eaten a plate of turkey, spent three hours before that playing the piano, having a nice bubble bath and is generally well-fed, clean and happy!

[J. M. Pescado]

Yes, but oddly, being clean, well fed, and happy is, strangely enough, boring, to sims. This is because rather than having a desire to alleviate boredom, like real people do, sims have a "fun" motive. As opposed to in real life, where if you're spending most of your time struggling to survive, at least you won't be BORED. Realistically, what sims should have instead is a "Boredom" motive, that decreases whenever a sim has nothing to do. What a sim is doing is less important than the fact that he's doing something, or else he will become bored. Because real people don't need "Fun", they just want to not be bored, which is solved by doing anything, even if that thing involves fleeing for their lives from a pack of hungry cannibals.

[verdaeni]

well i had to work my way up from minimum wage with medical problems and i'll agree there wasnt much time to be bored.  but i notice that people that have always been well fed, housed, medicined and so forth seem to be very bored.  they get incensed over incredibly trivial stuff.   i had a roomate go on for two days because someone left a cigarette butt near the garage on the street.  they start imagining all sorts of slights...  maybe we need a hack for meaner sims to alieviate their boredeom by arguing with their families until finally they get kicked out and start wandring the com lots like crumpleton.  a nice sim would run around encouraging and admiring others...

[ZephyrZodiac]

I'd just like a mod that lets your sims throw out someone other than a partner!  then they could throw out a really awkward teen or a troublemaking old aunt!

[verdaeni]

there was a hack to make a teen runaway, i think it appeared as a drawing man statue.   it would be funny if enough of your family hates you that it forces them to move out!   you'd have to make amends and bring scores up to come back home!