Business Controller: Business Runs YOU!

[V]

I have never really understood the pay scale methods on BRY so I just use the in-game method of clicking the petals until I see the reasonably happy face.

It does seem as if the managers do get mad about their pay rather suddenly in the middle of the day, though. Until you mentioned it, though, I had supposed that was a feature.

[jsalemi]

The problem I hit is if the manager is under control of BRY ('be salesperson'), it's hard to catch them in between actions to manually raise their pay before the action drops out of the owner's queue, and they're off to do something else. The businesses are usually at level 10 by the time I hire a manager, so they're pretty busy.  I suppose I could just cancel BRY on the manager and have him/her wait for the owner to trek across the lot to do the raise, but it does seem that the time between the pay suddenly becoming 'ridiculously underpaid' and the sim up and quitting is very short.

[J. M. Pescado]

You don't need to physically bother the manager to raise his pay if you use the options on BRY itself to adjust his pay.

[jsalemi]

You don't need to physically bother the manager to raise his pay if you use the options on BRY itself to adjust his pay.

Well, yea, but see my problem message a couple up (last message on the previous page) -- the manager suddenly dropped from 'fairly paid' to 'ridiculously underpaid', and when I tried to use BRY to raise her salary enough, the raise-by-10 didn't work, and I couldn't get her up fast enough with the raise-by-5 to keep her from quiting.

[J. M. Pescado]

It sounds like you're missing the fix that was part of Relevant Wages which fixed a corrupted value. Note that if you JUST promoted the manager, his base wage demands go up by +70, which will not register until the game refreshes its cache values.

[jsalemi]

It sounds like you're missing the fix that was part of Relevant Wages which fixed a corrupted value. Note that if you JUST promoted the manager, his base wage demands go up by +70, which will not register until the game refreshes its cache values.

Hmm, I thought I had the latest version in my game, but I'll re-download and refresh it.  And yea, that sounds like what happened -- I promoted the managers at the end of the previous session, so the jump in wages registered during the next session.

But why didn't BRY let me raise their wages +10 at a time?  When I clicked on that, it just went back to the previous menu without changing the wage. Or is that caused by the relevantwages corruption?


ETA: I re-downloaded relevantwages, and it's the same version I already had in my game (dated 04/05/07), so I don't think that was the problem.

[J. M. Pescado]

Are you SURE it didn't allow you to use +10? Because that option is not a conditional option. Also, you can use it while the game is paused, so it doesn't require speed.

[jsalemi]

Are you SURE it didn't allow you to use +10?

Yes -- I tried it multiple times, and all it did was return to the previous menu (the one with the employee's name) without changing her salary at all.  Clicking on +5 worked fine, and the menu went away after clicking on it. 

I did forget I could pause and it would still work, though. 


ETA: Ok, it gets weirder -- I tried it out last night just to confirm that +10 wasn't working, and it still wasn't.  So I tried the rest of the options, and found that +15 doesn't work either.  Nor did any of the - options other than -1.  So the only ones that worked for me are +5, +1, and -1.  Everything else just returned to the previous menu without changing the employee's salary.

[J. M. Pescado]

It is not possible to "return to the previous menu" as a BHAV, so you must simply be fatfingering your mouse. The behavior you describe is not physically possible to do in a BHAV.

[jsalemi]

And yet it happens.  I'd say I was fat-fingering if it happened once, but it happens every single time. And with multiple values, as I said in my addition.

Well, it'll be a while before I cycle around to a lot that owns a business again, so I shan't be running into this problem again for a while.  When I do, I'll be extra careful to click on the exact center of the value box, and see whether the problem is me or something else. 

[J. M. Pescado]

If it actually is happening, it's an issue unrelated to BRY itself, and represents either a bug in the core engine, a driver issue, or a hardware issue.

[jsalemi]

Yea, that's what I'm beginning to suspect, since no one else reported it.  So it could be the latest ATI drivers (7.6), which I upgraded to recently, or the latest mouse drivers (Logitech), which I just downloaded recently. My money right now is on the mouse, since it also has issues with clicking on the center button to change the view angle (as in, it doesn't work).

ETA: It was the mouse drivers -- a new version was posted about a week later and the problem is gone.

[trudy]

I may be a litle off, but it just ocurred to me how great the "asign work" funktion could be used. The "be janitor" option is good, but would it be to much to ask to include "be nanny" so we could use this fine tool to hire a nanny from the neighbourhood an even pay by hour a custom fee. Also "be entartainer" would be nice for clubs or even tell the employes of an brothel to do their job? ;-)

[J. M. Pescado]

I may be a litle off, but it just ocurred to me how great the "asign work" funktion could be used. The "be janitor" option is good, but would it be to much to ask to include "be nanny" so we could use this fine tool to hire a nanny from the neighbourhood an even pay by hour a custom fee.

Be Nanny is a nonfunction because it is not possible by default to hire a sim to be a nanny, as visitors do not count for the purposes of avoiding the SS. Meanwhile, the nanny itself basically has little or no jobs of real importance.

Also "be entartainer" would be nice for clubs or even tell the employes of an brothel to do their job? ;-)

The default game does not include any ability to carry out such a function. The only way such a thing can occur is through non-awesome third-party items. It is not our problem to figure out how these work and to make them function in businesses. Just leave the job unassigned.

[trudy]

Be Nanny is a nonfunction because it is not possible by default to hire a sim to be a nanny, as visitors do not count for the purposes of avoiding the SS. Meanwhile, the nanny itself basically has little or no jobs of real importance.

well the is also no janitor without the mod, or is there?
my idea was something like: home bussines. hire someone. use BRY to tell him/her "be nanny", set salary. Then whenever you need a nany, summon an watch. But of course im not awesome so I´m not sure one would be able to leave the kids alone with such a nanyy, know thart you mention it...

Also "be entartainer" would be nice for clubs or even tell the employes of an brothel to do their job? ;-)

The default game does not include any ability to carry out such a function. The only way such a thing can occur is through non-awesome third-party items. It is not our problem to figure out how these work and to make them function in businesses. Just leave the job unassigned.

nay, nothin non awesome. Just ACR, wich works great, but I would like to tell the employes to go be friendly with the customers.

[J. M. Pescado]

well the is also no janitor without the mod, or is there?

There is a "Tidy Up" task. Also, Janitorial duties are a well-defined set of tasks that exist in the core game, and thus an AI routine can be written for it. Prostitution, on the other hand, lacks this sort of algorithmic specification to it.

nay, nothin non awesome. Just ACR, wich works great, but I would like to tell the employes to go be friendly with the customers.

ACR is non-Awesome. I don't have it, and there's no defined rule by what procedure should be performed. Thus, no algorithm defining this job.

[trudy]

A i get it. Then it may be easier to to it on the side of ACR, asking the wrong person then.

just noticed twojeffs is gone, thats what happens if one blinks... Is all his work to be considered non-awesome then?
Well it was worth a try.

[J. M. Pescado]

Clearly, Twojeffs has failed us. You must not!

[seelindarun]

well the is also no janitor without the mod, or is there?

There is a "Tidy Up" task. Also, Janitorial duties are a well-defined set of tasks that exist in the core game, and thus an AI routine can be written for it. Prostitution, on the other hand, lacks this sort of algorithmic specification to it.

nay, nothin non awesome. Just ACR, wich works great, but I would like to tell the employes to go be friendly with the customers.

ACR is non-Awesome. I don't have it, and there's no defined rule by what procedure should be performed. Thus, no algorithm defining this job.

Don't underestimate your equipment, IIRC autosoc has an auto-romanticate option which would serve in a pinch.  Or, at least it used to.  I haven't used it in a long while.  I personally wouldn't want this, but there aren't many things in TS2 which cannot be beaten into submission by the big club of macrotastics + BRY.

However, BRY seems to be borken for servos.  Not sure whether it was the latest update or the one before, but it now sends servos to clean showers.  It only seems to happen if the shower is the second object in the cleaning queue or later, and oddly enough it doesn't happen with macro-clean; only with Be Farmer-directed maintenance.

As ever, I double-checked with only Awesome hacks and an otherwise empty DL folder.

[ApatiaMax]

REQUIRES:
autosoc.zip
autoyak.zip
bathroomusesyou.zip
macrotastics.zip
skillinator.zip

suggested or needed ?

[Venusy]

REQUIRES:
autosoc.zip
autoyak.zip
bathroomusesyou.zip
macrotastics.zip
skillinator.zip

suggested or needed ?

REQUIRES:

Breakdown of requirements:

Autosoc: Necessary for on-lot socialization.
Autoyak: Necessary for off-lot (phone) socialization.
BUY: Necessary for hygiene and bladder handling.
Macrotastics: Provides the commands for BRY to use.
Skillinator: Merged with Macrotastics.

[floopyboo]

Small & irritating problem. I have food theives thanks to BRY. I have a restaurant come bookstore that is BRYed, and it's all well & good, except that bry is making two of my guys steal customers food & eat it rather than grab what's in their inventories or use the mini fridge provided.

Hunger is at about halfway when this happens, usually, although I have also seen it happen with hunger of 75% full or more.

I am running all eps + ffs + gls. The only food hacks I have are dizzy's & moragues even more filling muffins & single serve desserts.

[J. M. Pescado]

That's strange. I thought there was code to explicitly exclude customer food from grabbage. I will look into this at the next opportunity.

[GayJohnScarritt]

   The only time i've seen BRY make my employees eat customer's food, is when the customers are done eating and there is food left on the plate.
   This happens when i send a playalbe on a date to another playable's owned business. 
   Once i get a restraraunt started, i rarely play that business lot tho, no Pets/BV.  I'll test and see if that happens for Seasons.

[J. M. Pescado]

The only time i've seen BRY make my employees eat customer's food, is when the customers are done eating and there is food left on the plate.
This happens when i send a playalbe on a date to another playable's owned business.

Noted. Will also disable the Ethiopian Manuever for employees of current lot, even if not currently played.