"boolprop" Phobia

[DrBeast]

Welll...for a MILLION dollars...I think I could put up with the BBS for a little while.    I guess it depends on how long I'd have to stay.

Hey, for a million of these green things that have a nasty habit of starting wars, you can get yourself a VAST supply of Prozacs. Always Look At The Bright Side Of Life, as Brian would've quoted!

[BlueSoup]

Welll...for a MILLION dollars...I think I could put up with the BBS for a little while.    I guess it depends on how long I'd have to stay.

Man, for a million dollars, I would agree to moderate the damn thing.    *Delete, delete, delete*

[sanmonroe]

For a million bucks I would let Coolone come to my house and use my computer to post ont he BBS.

[vcline]

and you download a lot of custom objects without checking their poly counts then it's certainly a place to start looking.

Interesting, Motoki.  So how do I check for poly counts, and what's considered high?

[Motoki]

There should be a tutorial for how to check the counts in the Peasantry section. I believe Batron did it. I'm not sure if it's on the first page or not anymore but it still should be there.

[Brynne]

 This was the case right after NL came out and pool lights were getting corrupted on community lots.  It also helped us find out the problem with sims who had been updated to Uni status with the lot debugger who were crashing and losing their want slots when moving into a lot--they had no major set.  Without having debug mode enabled, we would have never known what the problem was.  Since I use it so much, I got tired of entering it all the time and put it in my startup folder.  I never really have a reason to turn it off now.

It's in my startup file, as well. Those damn pool lights...without debug mode enabled, I never would get into the lots. I'd have to ctrl/alt/delete out of the game. That's at least one situation where it's very handy to have the cheat running all the time. It's a pain, though, when you get a "too many iterations" error or something while the cinematic is playing. You have to guess at where the "reset" button would be if it was on your freaking screen.

I ain't 'fraid of no debug mode, though. Just use some common sense. If you don't understand a function, don't use it!

[angelyne]

Anyway, there's a cheat for setting family funds so you can reverse that by taking away money if you want now.

Now THAT'S good news!

It's also old news.  It's been introduced with Nightlife    familyFunds familyname amount

There should be a tutorial for how to check the counts in the Peasantry section. I believe Batron did it. I'm not sure if it's on the first page or not anymore but it still should be there.

It's here http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=2216.0

[vcline]

Thanks, Motoki and angelyne for pointing me to the thread on poly counts.  I hardly download any CC (that's not in this forum) but it's good to know where to go for info.

[witch]

Anyway, there's a cheat for setting family funds so you can reverse that by taking away money if you want now.

Now THAT'S good news!

It's also old news.  It's been introduced with Nightlife    familyFunds familyname amount

D'oh! 

[Ellatrue]

I just don't like it, because sometimes you get error messages over and over again with certain hacks (even if it isn't a real problem) that just keep recurring, so that you can't play anymore, even to get out of the testing cheats mode.

[RainbowTigress]

If I have that problem, which isn't often, I will hit cancel with my finger on the pause button, and once I get it paused, then I can see what sim is having the problem, make a note of the error, cancel the action or reset the sim, whatever takes care of the problem, then come here and report the issue with the appropriate log.  Then if the issue is with someone's mod here, they can work on fixing it.  I don't believe in whitewashing problems.  For the same reason, I turn off automatic rebooting when there is an error in Windows.  If there's a problem, I want to know about it, dammit!  Ignorance is not bliss. 

[Motoki]

I just don't like it, because sometimes you get error messages over and over again with certain hacks (even if it isn't a real problem) that just keep recurring, so that you can't play anymore, even to get out of the testing cheats mode.

But that's just it. It is a real problem. If a hack is causing that, even if you don't notice it with debug mode turned off, the hack is 'dirty' and not coded properly. If the hack were made properly, it should NOT be causing any errors even with debug mode turned on. Don't like any lazy hack creators tell you otherwise, if you're getting errors, the didn't code it properly, at best it's ineffecient, at worst it could cause trouble down the line.

Oh, I saw this on the BBS today and thought of this thread immediately. I was going to post the quote, but I thought it better to just do a screencap and post it in technicolor. (see attachment)

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[RainbowTigress]

Yeah, that person is either stupid, ignorant, or both.  That just shows the common theme over there at the BBS, and why I can't stand it for longer than two minutes.

[maxon]

Oh, I saw this on the BBS today and thought of this thread immediately. I was going to post the quote, but I thought it better to just do a screencap and post it in technicolor. (see attachment)

Boolpropfool just about sums it up.

[miramis]

The only problem I have with testingcheatsenabled is that if something causes an error, it can start generating an endless loop of error messages that won't go away, and the only way to stop them is to type 'boolprop testingcheatsenabled false' one character at a time, clicking on the error messages between characters.

Next time hit the pause button really fast 

[veilchen]

Yeah, that person is either stupid, ignorant, or both.  That just shows the common theme over there at the BBS, and why I can't stand it for longer than two minutes.

Agreed, and agreed. It's a shame that the real advice, and the helpful people who know what they are talking about are buried deeply in the official board. Even using search brings up the crap first. Idiotic advice, even if it sounds highly illogical, is usually followed by "thank you" notes from people who don't seem to be able to logically follow through and realize that the adivice is highly suspect.

[Motoki]

Yes, and they get benes too. Don't forget the benes!

On a semi-related note (idiots), MTS2 irritates the shit out of me sometimes too. I've seen numerous times and have even had to say it myself there at one point, where content creators have to say 'Okay guys, the thanks are nice but I really need some feedback on how this is working'. They have the thank you button there so there is no excuse, but they all do 'Thanks' 'Great' 'Thanks' 'Awesome' 'You rock' 'Thanks' 'This is so great' and most of them post spam like that before they even have tried the damned thing. 

It's annoying for the creators to sift through all the spam replies when looking for genuine feedback and it's annoying for me as a user when I want to see if anyone else is reporting having problems with a new hack that's been posted.

[Moonshires]

I agree with ya on that part (over at MTS2).  Trying to wade through 5+ pages of "Thank you" when looking for additional information, notes, (or in the rare times it happens) other people's post about what they've experienced that's wrong with the item, is annoying at best.

Wish the mods would clamp down on enforcing the use of the thank you button.  I mean..that's what it's there for.

On a side-note and totally OT, Motoki, I'd sent you a PM yesterday.  Was curious if you'd gotten it or not.

[flowerchile]

You couldn't get me into the BBS for a million bucks. I mean, I'm stupid, but they are stupid with a side of *retarded child waving* and a bit of *autism child staring blankly* all mixed together to become... the typical BBS'er.

C'mon now, if there weren't sites like the BBS, where would people like me go for a really good belly laugh.  Methinks you need to see the humour in their retarded, idiotic comments; and think of this, if they didn't have the BBS, does that mean they would have to find another site??  And which site would that be..I shudder to think.  No-one would be safe from assholes like FCL, sorry, Coolone, oh wrong again; Old Man...

[RainbowTigress]

Yes, and they get benes too. Don't forget the benes!

On a semi-related note (idiots), MTS2 irritates the shit out of me sometimes too. I've seen numerous times and have even had to say it myself there at one point, where content creators have to say 'Okay guys, the thanks are nice but I really need some feedback on how this is working'. They have the thank you button there so there is no excuse, but they all do 'Thanks' 'Great' 'Thanks' 'Awesome' 'You rock' 'Thanks' 'This is so great' and most of them post spam like that before they even have tried the damned thing. 

It's annoying for the creators to sift through all the spam replies when looking for genuine feedback and it's annoying for me as a user when I want to see if anyone else is reporting having problems with a new hack that's been posted.

We are of the same mind on this, Motoki.  I'm not a creator, but I do try to give creative and useful feedback.  I hate having to wade through all the Thank yous and worse, the over colorized posts and smiley spam.  I worry that my feedback or actual problem will get lost and not even been seen by the creator.  Monique seems pretty good about responding as do some others, but I know of a few who I reported problems to who never ever responded.  And it's a real shame too. 

[Sagana]

I don't have a problem with the testing cheats, tho I don't just leave it on all the time. Guess I have a 'clean up' thing. I always turn off everything I'm not actively using, including deleting aspiration rewards the minute I'm done with them on the rare occasions I use them. I just don't like clutter on the computer (in my house is a whole 'nother story).

But I don't get this ' if you don't know what it is, leave it alone' thing. If I don't know what something does, I click on it immediately to find out. I guess that's how I learned to use programs to start with (when I went to school there weren't no such thing and 'round my neck of the woods, manuals are for wusses - only to be resorted to in major desperation.)

When I got the game, I found out all the codes I could and clicked on everything (along with going through all the menu options I could find and trying as much as I could) and I do the same thing with each new EP, including opening all the codes I know and clicking on all the new menu items I can find.

<shrug> I play a test neighborhood first tho, so I'm not really taking chances on sims I care about and (despite popular belief) there's very little on computers that's not undoable or fixable one way or another. I dunno where people got the idea their computers were so fragile. Must be that bomb graphic. Or maybe it's a PC thing, as at base I'm a mac user.

[RainbowTigress]

I think the key phrase there is "I play a test neighborhood first tho, so I'm not really taking chances on sims I care about."

Although I don't always follow this advice, I do keep regular backups.  I hit something one time using boolprop and it spawned all these sims and slowed the game to a crawl.  I exited the house without saving, but when I went back something was messed up, I forget what it was.  So I restored my backup neighborhood and went from there.  I remember not to push that particular button again. 

But where's the fun if you don't take some chances sometimes?  You'll never learn anything if you don't.  Of course, sometimes it takes a bit of common sense like knowing when and where to take chances, but having a backup is always a good idea.

[Bangelnuts]

BoolProp Phobia is rampant over at the BBS for sure But on the bright side that seems to be one of the only sites that runs in absolute terror at the mere mention of "Boolprop"
  I rarely leave feedback for creator's at MTS2 because the "thank You" Spam is overwhelming and I am afraid feedback would be totally unseen at MTS2.I spent literally 30 min's or more searching for the answer to  the Question "does lot full of sims" work in OFB ?from the creator Doc Doofus it took that long to get through the thankyou's and awesome posts to see what he/she had to say on whether or not the hack works in OFB.
  the answer for all those who use the mod is Yes it does work ! "the BBS is much the same when trying to ferret out useful info you have to wade past the "bene's" posts and the Oh No "boolprop"kills the game posts. and the you need a new computer posts

[RainbowTigress]

Of course, we know the answer to all life's problems is buying a new computer.   

[witch]

Of course, we know the answer to all life's problems is buying a new computer.   

Isn't it? 

good to know the lot full of sims works in OFB Bangelnuts, otherwise all of my current playable lots would be useless.

Still waiting on OFB. Have paid 'n all. Sposed to be here on 9th. Now it's nearly 13th - (well it will be in about 35 minutes).