How to make Sims living together keep a bad relationship?

[JenW]

I have recreated some characters I had in TS1, and I've got a brother and sister who live together and are total opposites. He's mean and she's very shy and nice. He enjoys teasing his sister and making her cry, but they keep getting friendly again every time they eat a meal together How do I keep them from getting along? I made their personalities totally opposite, but still they don't hate each other enough for me

Jen

[BlueSoup]

Get them to argue with each other and play pranks on each other.  Don't download JM's puddle rage hack, and get them to throw water balloons at each other, then make one of them clean it up.

[JenW]

I've tried the pranks...she laughs! I'll try the puddle idea though, I don't think I had him do that prank, and as she's very neat that might do the trick.

Jen

[Renatus]

Also try giving them different interests. If sim A has high interests in, say, food, paranormal, and entertainment, and sim B has zero interest in these but has high interest in sports, fashion, and work (which sim A has zero interest in) the negative signs will fly when they converse.

[JenW]

Ooh thanks for the tip! I guess I edit those in SimPE?

Jen

[ZephyrZodiac]

Could I also suggest that communal meals are OUT!  Get each one to cook for themselves at different times.  And don't have a playstation or TV, and have bookcases in their bedrooms so if they have to study, they study alone.  In fact, no shared objects, so painting is fine, telescopes are fine, chess is out, so are all musical instruments, etc. as the non-player may watch and gain relationship points while doing so.

[Brynne]

Ugh. I have to deal with this as well. Right now sim brynne has a stalker. Her new sim-hubby's former flame just happened to stroll by as we were kissing in the front yard. So she's been written into the story as "crazed stalker woman". Justin (sim-brynne's hubby) is furious with her because she slapped him, so why would he want to go and play red hands with her while I'm off puking my guts out because I'm carrying his child? Why?! And why would I  feel the need to tell her a joke? Jeez, she's a stalker! We need to hate this woman!

[ZephyrZodiac]

It's just something ultra stupid the maxoids dreamed up!  Don got burgled and I made the mistake of banning the burglar befor Don phoned the cops.  He got told off, fined 500 smackers, and got furious with the cop, but wanted to be friends (and his longterm relationship was 50+!  HellI can't get that for a couple of sims who've been on the phone all day!)

[gali]

Lol, Brynne - because the little puppets are programmed to be friendly even when they are furious, and in spite of the fact that their wants will cause deeper (--) with the other sim.

I saw the same situation at Strange Town. Buzz Grunt and Olive Specter are signed as enemies. I played at Olive's place, and one of her wants was - "invite Buzz over". I accpted the want and made her call him. Of course he refused, but the want remained very long time.

I know now that they fit (she is a Scorpio, and he is a Leo), and that makes sense that she will dream about him. Furthermore, Lyla is burried in her yard, giving a clue that pehaps the old crow killed her because she wanted Buzz for herself....

[ZephyrZodiac]

And if they end up in the hot tub together it isn't long before Buzz wants to flirt with her!  Why is it, in a game that won't allow a YA who's just gone to college to kiss his teenage girlfriend who will join him in two days time, thinks it's perfectly normal for a sim with 29 days to go before he/she becomes an elder to fancy one?  I mean, how many 21-year-olds do you know who go around chasing their gran's mates?

[BlueSoup]

Ugh. I have to deal with this as well. Right now sim brynne has a stalker.

Gee, Brynne, I know exactly how your Sim feels....

I mean, how many 21-year-olds do you know who go around chasing their gran's mates?

Anna Nicole Smith?

[ZephyrZodiac]

Anna Nicole Who??

[BlueSoup]

LOL She is an American model, spokesperson, golddigger who was only 26 and married an octogenarian millionnaire.  When he kicked the bucket, so began a very long-running battle with his family for his fortunes.

[Brynne]

Gee, Brynne, I know exactly how your Sim feels....

I know ya do, hon. 

Anna Nicole Smith?

Now there's a fortune sim if I ever did see one!

[aussieone]

Oh but don't forget she loved his money him dearly!!  

[ZephyrZodiac]

Plenty of that kind around, I guess, just I never met one - guess you have to move in very elevated circles!

[Swiftgold]

And if they end up in the hot tub together it isn't long before Buzz wants to flirt with her!  Why is it, in a game that won't allow a YA who's just gone to college to kiss his teenage girlfriend who will join him in two days time, thinks it's perfectly normal for a sim with 29 days to go before he/she becomes an elder to fancy one?  I mean, how many 21-year-olds do you know who go around chasing their gran's mates?

It doesn't make much realistic sense (of course, Sims logic is shaky anyway) but they have to have adult-elder because of differering transitions to elder, as I was just made aware of as my first toddler Sims are now becoming elders *sniff*. Of course, teen-adult would make the same kind of sense, but I can see why they didn't enable it to start with; doesn't mean I don't love the fact hacks let us get around it, though.

[ZephyrZodiac]

Well, I agree it makes sense not to have put the possibility of teen-adult into the game, but teen-young adult?  To me that's no more flawed than the idea of a Young adult being stalked by a professor old enough to be (even in sim terms) his great-grand-parent!  And far less repulsive!

[sanmonroe]

You can always download my stupid hack in the peasenty section. Turn off free will, load the lot, have them beat the shit out of each other a few times, remove th hack and play as normal. Just keep them fighting and pranking after they are both enraged and enemies.

[J. M. Pescado]

It doesn't make much realistic sense (of course, Sims logic is shaky anyway) but they have to have adult-elder because of differering transitions to elder

And because Dina Caliente would be out of business if she couldn't go after Mortimer.

[ZephyrZodiac]

I didn't so much mind the idea of adult-elder (after all I'm an elder myself) what I think is wrong is they took the teen - adult (off limits) to the extreme with teen - YA (off limits) but YA - elder (okay).  Since Dina is not a YA, there's no reason they couldn't have allowed a romance between a YA and a teen to continue (even if they couldn't woohoo, just make-out!)  It would at least be more realistic than the stupid situation where the couple fall out of love with each other until the second one goes to college, then immediately they are face to face again, the feelings return ( I had one very shy sim come to college and move into the house which was being shared by her one time boyfriend and his sister, and even before she got through the front door (which he happened to be standing behind) she was kissing him through the door!   (Autonomously, I might add!)

[Batelle]

I had a Uni love triangle involving Yesenia, Sawyer and Maile.  Yesenia and Sawyer were in love, but he cheated on her with Maile and got caught.  Yesenia fought Sawyer (and lost) and they were furious enemies...for about a day.  Within 48 hours of the dust up, they were both rolling wants to call, kiss and fall in love with one another.  Meanwhile, Yesenia and Maile (who were roommates) spent more time antagonizing one another than studying and are my first mutual -100/-100 pair of sims. 

[ZephyrZodiac]

Trouble is, unless you put them in separate houses, it doesn't last long!

[Batelle]

Trouble is, unless you put them in separate houses, it doesn't last long!

That's what I thought, too.  Right after the falling out, I had the girls study together to rebuild their relationship and had them at around a 25 lifetime.  Then Maile shadowed Yesenia on an at home date, autonomously poked her, and the hatefest was on for real.  The kicker is that both the girls have high nice scores (9 and and a lot in common.  They spent two more semesters fighting before Yesenia graduated and moved out.  The last time they were on a lot together (Yesenia's brother married Maile's sister-in-law) I had to watch Yesenia's queue like a hawk and cancel every fight command she generated or that popped up courtesy of Maile. 

I've discovered that you can drive a relationship down by using the "Bad Mouth" interaction under Talk.  I don't recall if you can Bad Mouth those whom you are furious with or if you have to be enemies, but the sim on the listening end of the Bad Mouthing usually gets two red minuses over their heads.   

[ZephyrZodiac]

I've used the Bad Mouth too, but like you I can't remember exactly at what point on the downward slope it becomes available.

Even wierder is the situation I've now got with two of the maids in my recently cloned neighbourhood (the maids aren't clones, they were generated by the game after I deleted all characters).  Well, first don Lothario clone had a problem with Hailey McCullough arriving at midnight and kicking over his trashcan.  So I got him to fire heer and hire another maid, so far no probs.  Then, in Uni, another sloppy sim, Mitch Indie, appears to have problems with Hailey, who keeps stalking the lot at midnight and later.  Unlike Don, who did give her a tip, he's never to my knowledge spoken to her, but she appears in his list of acquaintances!  Anyway, I get her fired (by Max, not Mitch, who still doesn't know her) and Teresa Trimble is hired.  She works for them for one day, and then appears at midnight with her beady eye on the trashcan, so I deleted her.  Then I checked Mitch again, and he knows her too!  Now, I have other male sims in other lots who have no problems with the maids, but Dirk and Dustin, for instance, are engaged to each other, so are "unavailable".

Are these maids really trying to force some poor sim into marrying them just so they won't get their trashcans kicked over?

I'm just off to check them out again in SimPE to see if I can see why they should both have the hots for a slob like Mitch!

Well, there was absolutely no reason that I could see for the behaviour!  Anyway, I've got rid of all knowledge of the respective sims knowing each other, and I'll have to wait and see what happens next!