The Legacy Challenge for TS3

[caitlyn]

I don't know why people are rushing off and getting their sims jobs, anyway. There are so many easier ways of surviving in this game. I gave my founder the "raise 5 children" LTW, her spouse had the "earn royalties writing books" one, my 2nd gen heir rolled "max writing and painting" and his spouse had the "13 perfect fish". If they roll wants for careers, I tend to let my sims get jobs only when they are well on their way to achieving their LTWs. Because they have more skills by then, they get promotions much faster which makes it more worthwhile.

I'm with you on this.  My Legacy family has over 1M simoleans in the bank.  The house has enough of what they need.  The money trees net $20k a day, so I've stopped planting more.  They don't NEED a job and the jobs take too much of their day away that they can be fulfilling their LTW.  Unless sims have a LTW that is job related, they aren't going to work any more.

[J. M. Pescado]

The dishwasher broke and I had her fix it but it only increased the skill and now she's at level 5. I don't want to drown her because it'll take too long and I'd rather it be more accidental. Should I just keep getting a technophobe to break things until she croaks? He's already an elder and I don't have much time until he dies.

I haven't found drowning to take very long at all. Sims seem to only be able to swim for about 45 minutes before they drown. In fact, the drowning timer starts the moment they get in the pool. I haven't actually DROWNED them this way, since I wasn't trying to do so, but that was the timer. It USED to take awhile, unless you waited for their energy to already be low, but now it seems to work rather quickly regardless of energy.

[Ange]

Hi there,

I was looking for something about the life duration ... without success.
So what, is it up to me/you/everyone ? 

I think that the normal life duration (90 days) should be an obligation otherwise I'm sure that some dummies will say "I pick epic, Legacy's too long, blablabla, I'm rich after 1 generation, blablabla, boring" 
Do you agree ?

[Roflganger]

Hi there,

I was looking for something about the life duration ... without success.
So what, is it up to me/you/everyone ? 

From the rules:

Aging and story progression must be on and lifespans set to the normal level.

[Marhis]

I even received a reprimand for top-posting. Usually, top-posting is required on other lists because people just wanna read the latest info, not the most recent history.

Ah, yes, I see why it would work. This forum software, however, resets the "new" icon whenever you edit your post, so it's handy and doesn't need to double post. In fact, it's even better: the edited post will not be bumped up in the list, but it wil show the new icon anyway, so it's easier to understand what's going on at first sight.

[Ange]

Hi there,

I was looking for something about the life duration ... without success.
So what, is it up to me/you/everyone ? 

From the rules:

Aging and story progression must be on and lifespans set to the normal level.

Thanks, after double checking here, I got the idea to fool around on the official forum ^^
There is some other modification ^^

[LVRugger]

This has been my experience, yes, and it doesn't restrict you at all from getting all 33 (note: there are actually 33 LTW, not 32).

All right, I'll bite. I've lurk MATY, Sims3, etc and haven't seen this mentioned. I've searched but haven't found. Which one am I missing?

[Nikki]

I have some questions on a part of the rules that isn't clearly defined. I didn't notice it until my current generation where I have the heir's brother living in the house and his wife just gave birth.

1. Would the offspring of spares count for points?
2. Would the mate of a spare count for points as the rule says mates count as soon as they bring in the next generation? (This is generation 4 it just isn't from the heir).

I've seen differing views so I'm just asking for clarity.

[Orange Indigo]

I have some questions on a part of the rules that isn't clearly defined. I didn't notice it until my current generation where I have the heir's brother living in the house and his wife just gave birth.

1. Would the offspring of spares count for points?
2. Would the mate of a spare count for points as the rule says mates count as soon as they bring in the next generation? (This is generation 4 it just isn't from the heir).

I've seen differing views so I'm just asking for clarity.

From my understanding of the rules, offspring and mates of spares do NOT count for points.
Sims must be directly related to the founder through birth or adoption, though adopted Sims cannot be heirs, to be eligible for points. The one and only exception to this is the spouse of the heir, and he/she only counts if he/she produces the next generation.

So, hypothetical situation:
Sim A is heir and married to spouse Sim B. Sim A has a child with Sim C, unrelated to legacy family and living off-lot. If the child of Sim A and Sim C is the heir, does Sim B count for points?
I think he/she does, assuming he/she also produced a child with the heir. Right?
That's the only way it would be "fair", i.e. you wouldn't be sacrificing possible points for better genetics.

[Zazazu]

This has been my experience, yes, and it doesn't restrict you at all from getting all 33 (note: there are actually 33 LTW, not 32).

All right, I'll bite. I've lurk MATY, Sims3, etc and haven't seen this mentioned. I've searched but haven't found. Which one am I missing?

No idea, since I don't know your list. This is mine:
Astronaut
Celebrated Five-Star Chef
CEO of a Mega-Corporation
Chess Legend
Creature-Robot Cross Breeder
Culinary Librarian
Emperor of Evil
Forensic Specialist: Dynamic DNA Profiler
Gold Digger
Golden Tongue, Golden Fingers
Heartbreaker
Hit Movie Composer
Illustrious Author
International Super Spy
Jack of All Trades
Leader of the Free World
Living in the Lap of Luxury
Master Thief
Master of the Arts
Perfect Garden
Perfect Mind, Perfect Body
Perfect Private Aquarium
Professional Author
Renaissance Sim
Rock Star
Star News Anchor
Super Popular
Superstar Athlete
Surrounded by Family
Swimming in Cash
Star News Anchor
Tinkerer
World Renowned Surgeon

[GayJohnScarritt]

No idea, since I don't know your list. This is mine:
...
Star News Anchor
Super Popular
Superstar Athlete
Surrounded by Family
Swimming in Cash
Star News Anchor
...

Maybe a misprint on your end, Star News Anchor twice.  Is there another one?

[Orange Indigo]

I just counted them up from the Prima Guide .pdf and there are, in fact, 32. Of course, that means fuck-all; it is Prima.

Anyway, here is my list. It's nearly the same as Zazazu's, if we don't include the second instance of Star News Anchor.

There are 15 career-related lifetime wishes:
- Athletics (Superstar Athlete)
- Business (CEO of a Mega-Corporation)
- Criminal - Evil (Emperor of Evil)
- Criminal - Thief (Master Thief)
- Culinary (Celebrated Five-Star Chef)
- Journalism (Sims News Anchor)
- Law Enforcement - Forensics (Dynamic DNA Profiler)
- Law Enforcement - Special Agent (International Super Spy)
- Medicine (World-Renowned Surgeon)
- Military (Astronaut)
- Music - Rock (Rock Star)
- Music - Symphonic (Hit Movie Composer)
- Politics (Leader of the Free World)
- Science (Creature-Robot Cross Breeder)

- Jack of All Trades (Reach Level 5 in 4 Different Careers)


There are 11 lifetime wishes based on skills:
- Illustrious Author (Writing and Painting)
- Perfect Mind, Perfect Body (Athletic and Logic)
- Master of the Arts (Guitar and Painting)
- The Tinkerer (Logic and Handiness)
- Golden Tongue, Golden Fingers (Guitar and Charisma)

- The Perfect Garden (Grow Perfect Plants of 8 Species)*
- Professional Author (Make $4,000 a Week in Royalties)*
- The Culinary Librarian (Know Every Recipe)
- Become a Grand Master in Chess (Reach Chess Legend and Have Logic 10)
- Renaissance Sim (Reach Level 10 in 3 Skills)
- Presenting the Perfect Private Aquarium (Have 13 Different Species of Perfect Fish in Fishbowls)*


There are 4 lifetime wishes based off of relationships with other sims:
- Super Popular (Have 20 Friends)*
- Gold Digger (See Ghost of Wealthy Spouse)
- Surrounded by Family (Raise 5 Children from Baby to Teenager)*
- Heartbreaker (Be the Girlfriend/Boyfriend of 10 Sims)*


There are 2 wealth-related lifetime wishes that I didn't have any place for elsewhere:
- Swimming in Cash (Have $200,000 in Family Funds)*
- Living in the Lap of Luxury (Have Household Net Worth of $200,000)




Wishes marked with * have variables which supposedly change. I included the variables that I have experienced through playing, but my memory isn't always perfect.
tl;dr: YMMV.


If you add all of those up, it's 32. I've looked around a number of sites, including this one, and I have no idea what the mysterious 33rd lifetime wish is.
In conclusion, there are probably only 32.

[tedw]

The fishing one could probably be counted as a "skill"-related LTW, couldn't it?  I think your success in it is almost invariably tied to your level of fishing skill (but perhaps there are the lucky few who can catch X amount of perfect fish without getting a single fishing skill point).  In my game, the number was 13, not 8, so it's definitely a variable if that's the number you had.

This would leave the other two to be counted as financial/wealth LTWs.

[Orange Indigo]

For some reason I had forgotten completely that there was a Fishing skill in the game. My Sims never fish.

I've edited my list to reflect your changes. I'm not entirely sure I ever saw 8 for the fishbowl one. I think I had that confused with 8 plants. I try to ignore that fishbowl one; it just seems unbelievably tedious.
You're probably right. I've changed it to 13, at least for now.

[caitlyn]

I try to ignore that fishbowl one; it just seems unbelievably tedious. You're probably right. I've changed it to 13, at least for now.

I've found it not to be tedious if you have a few generations of fishers.  When one of my sims finally rolled that one, we already had perfect fish in inventory from previous generations and they were able to get that one rather quickly.  If I remember correctly, the sim didn't have to catch the perfect fish himself.  I just gave them to him and he put them in the bowls.  Then we sold the bowls and used the fish for fertilizer. 

[tedw]

I thought the perfect fish would be tedious as well, but in a family of eight (the first gen rolled the 5 kids wish), there was enough money for my fishing sim not to have to work.  So he just fished all day and night, stopping for food and sleep and hygiene needs, but he skilled up to the top fairly quickly.  The nearer you are to the top, the easier it seems to be to catch perfect fish.

In addition, having a perfect piece of bait for a fish seemed to always produce a perfect fish when it was caught, although this is not a necessity.  My sim fulfilled this LTW a few days ago, but still only knows about four of the baits for all of the fish in the game.

[Nikki]

I thought the perfect fish would be tedious as well, but in a family of eight (the first gen rolled the 5 kids wish), there was enough money for my fishing sim not to have to work.  So he just fished all day and night, stopping for food and sleep and hygiene needs, but he skilled up to the top fairly quickly.  The nearer you are to the top, the easier it seems to be to catch perfect fish.

In addition, having a perfect piece of bait for a fish seemed to always produce a perfect fish when it was caught, although this is not a necessity.  My sim fulfilled this LTW a few days ago, but still only knows about four of the baits for all of the fish in the game.

I agree my sim teen has this LTW and she's only at fishing level 4 but with the outstanding fruit in the family garden she's already catching outstanding fish. Point being, just have a perfect garden and this can be completed before young adulthood.

[Zazazu]

No idea, since I don't know your list. This is mine:
...
Star News Anchor
Super Popular
Superstar Athlete
Surrounded by Family
Swimming in Cash
Star News Anchor
...

Maybe a misprint on your end, Star News Anchor twice.  Is there another one?

No. Apparently, when I was messing around with the spreadsheet, I not only duplicated rows, but I failed at alphabetizing. That was during a bad insomnia streak. I'm really, truly, not usually that stupid.

[caitlyn]

No. Apparently, when I was messing around with the spreadsheet, I not only duplicated rows, but I failed at alphabetizing. That was during a bad insomnia streak. I'm really, truly, not usually that stupid.

And here we all were hoping you had found a hidden one...like the grilled cheese aspiration in Sims 2.

[LVRugger]

No. Apparently, when I was messing around with the spreadsheet, I not only duplicated rows, but I failed at alphabetizing. That was during a bad insomnia streak. I'm really, truly, not usually that stupid.

Thanks, that's the best laugh I've had all week. I'll still rely on your posts for information - you have some very well-written and easy to understand posts about gameplay that have made my learning this much easier. I played Sims 1 without any expansion packs for about a month, never touched Sims 2. This is all new to me.

[MissKitty]

Eh. It appears that Pinstar doesn't care to update the rules in here? Or is it that only BBSers are allowed to e.g. sell what they steal?

[Zazazu]

You know what's annoying? When you have an elder who has somehow reached 105 days of age, is about 1k LTA away from 200k, yet dies holding onto the "Have 5 grandkids" wish when his one son's spouse is incubating number five and less than 24 hours from labor.

[HazelEyes]

Anyone try using Loner as a legacy trait? Should be interesting.

[Nikki]

Anyone try using Loner as a legacy trait? Should be interesting.

My current legacy heir rolled the loner trait. The most effect its had is that she's gotten a +15 or s boost when alone and a -15 or so when she's in a crowd. I plan for her to have maybe 6 or more children since her LTW can be fulfilled when she's old, so it'll be interesting to see how it works out.