Does this make sense?

[BlueSoup]

I downloaded hacks from TJ without ever being a member, so you don't need to be a member to download anything, only to post in the forums.

[reggikko]

Gali, I understand your point, but I wanted to make a point to Rentech. The mods are still available. They can be downloaded even as a guest. Also, Dizzy posts his mods at MTS2 and Merola has his own site. I didn't come by my decision lightly. This latest issue with VampCat is what did it. I won't download off that site anymore. Period.

[Bangelnuts]

I downloaded hacks from TJ without ever being a member, so you don't need to be a member to download anything, only to post in the forums.

come to think of it so did I and JMP used to link his mods at VS on MTS2 so they could be downloaded

[gali]

Gali, I understand your point, but I wanted to make a point to Rentech. The mods are still available. They can be downloaded even as a guest. Also, Dizzy posts his mods at MTS2 and Merola has his own site. I didn't come by my decision lightly. This latest issue with VampCat is what did it. I won't download off that site anymore. Period.

Oh, I didn't know that you can have access to the mods, and as BlueSoup says, she is not a member, and downloads from VS.

Nevertheless, I really think there should be some global decision about running a web-site.

I remember, that when I played TS1, some web-site owner, not knowing the etique rules, copied files he liked from all the Sim sites (mainly "7 deadly sims"), and published them on his site. I was quite glad downloading from his site, but 7 deadly sims sued him (I don't know where), and he was forced to close his site.

I asked the owners of 7DS, why they sued him, and they said that he had to accept first their permission, and as he didn't, they had the right to sue him for copywrite creations and publishing them. After that, any object published on the web was scanned  with a microscope if it's breaking the copywrite rule.
 
Lol, I had a friend, web-site owner, who was accused of publishing some bed (i.e. copied the bed, recolored it, and putting it on her site). She was terrified, because this bed was her own creation. She was forced to give the file to the accusers, to be scanned, and after that they admitted that it's her own creation.

May be the link-blockage is too a matter of sue? What the Internet rules say?

[Bangelnuts]

Lol, I had a friend, web-site owner, who was accused of publishing some bed (i.e. copied the bed, recolored it, and putting it on her site). She was terrified, because this bed was her own creation. She was forced to give the file to the accusers, to be scanned, and after that they admitted that it's her own creation.

May be the link-blockage is too a matter of sue? What the Internet rules say?

in effect  Vamp cat is claiming he can turn out a mod that two Jeffs originally made the buyable rewards collection which I use quite frequently. and claiming that because the rewards were a maxis object  although not in package form like two jeffs did them he can willy nilly turn out the same thing  under the guise of giving the public a "choice" that is why  if I could cancel my membership at VS I would. its just wrong in my opinion

[Andygal]

the problem with netettiquite is that it only takes one jerk that doesn't follow the equitte for things to break down.

It's hard to make "rules" when you can't make people stick to them. As much as I'd like to see Rentech forced to end her silly little games it's not going to happen.

[Michael_the_choirboy]

At the risk of posting what is no doubt an unpopular option, here's something we might try:

Mind our Own Business.


As someone who's been aquainted with both Rentech and Pescado since before the days when #grah was first created on MTS2, before we moved to #eviltone, before the creation of variousimmers - This seems to be the best course of action.  This entire "war" that is being perpetuated in public on both sides by "supporters" of Rentech and Pescado, and no doubt in private by themselves, is simply none of my business.  This thread itself is full of he-said-she-saids - some of which I know to be true, some of which I know to be not true, either because I was *in a chat room where they happened*, or *in a forum where they happened*.  But a great deal more seems to be speculation or based on PMs, and I will *NOT* take sides on this type of thing. 
If you don't like variousimmers any more, simply don't go. You account will be deleted automatically after a period of inactivity.  Messaging Rentech isn't going to accomplish anything in this context.  If things were aimiable around here, she probably would, but with threads like this, how can such a message seem like anything other than a combat move?

If you want to complain about how "immature" variousimmers is - and I'm not denying that it can be the case - you can start by *not talking about it constantly and harrasing its webmistress with PMs*  - but rather taking the high road yourself - just walk away.

[dizzy]

I think Melissa would agree, Michael. 

[witch]

...That notice came about because rentech was upset that Witch posted here about the stupid survey and the PS2 demo CDs she had gotten from Maxis.

Oh. I posted on a thread that was already talking about the survey & the prizes. I merely added the comment that Maxis had had nothing to do with the survey, that it was Rentech's idea solely. I had read that Maxis had been firm that the demo disks were not just to be shared amongst staff, so I said that, yes. Hardly earth shattering stuff, quite commonsensical really. Oh God, I confess, I just wanted to clear Maxis' good name.

I did not however talk about the admin threads where bile spewing was common. I have not and will not report stuff that is personal or private or, quite frankly, revolting.

I have never been involved with a forum before where I did not have the choice to delete my own account. I think this is all quite tragic. In many senses of the word.

[witch]

EDIT: But wait, I even got a PM from RentechD:

pescado's links on this site ...it was done at Pescado's request because he sad all the people that used his site were "too brainless" and "kept gving out links that skipped hs 'joke' page"...

Did anyone else notice the pitiful attempt to get posters here pissed off with JM for calling us brainless? Ha! He calls us far worse names on a daily basis.

I'm starting to get irritated with all this BS now.

PS Who the hell's Melissa? Pretty as she is and all.

[reggikko]

If you don't like variousimmers any more, simply don't go. You account will be deleted automatically after a period of inactivity.  Messaging Rentech isn't going to accomplish anything in this context.  If things were aimiable around here, she probably would, but with threads like this, how can such a message seem like anything other than a combat move?

Heya MTC. This is truly the last thing I will say on this matter. I had no real problem with Rentech or anyone at VS until the ugliness in the CEP thread. None of our business, true, but it was all aired in a public forum rather than privately. Then there was the whole VampCat thing with Jeff's mod. I'm sorry, but I find what he did inexcusable. I've lost respect for several of the key players there, present company excluded, of course, and I simply do not want to remain a member.

I have taken some swipes here I will admit. Most of the he said/she said stuff I find amusing at best, but I would not be on any sort of personal vendetta against anyone over that kind of stuff. To me, this is a matter of integrity and I simply wanted my voice to be heard by Rentech herself. I was wrong to post my PM here. That was a bad judgement call on my part and I apologize for that.

If you say accounts will be deleted if they reamin inactive that is good enough for me. I do trust your word and your integrity. Now, go eat some pie. 

[vecki]

can somebody try to send me a pm on VS?  My sent items have disappeared (no I did not delete them) and I'm curious to see if I can still read them (I remember Inge having trouble viewing PMs after being 'accidentally' banned - sorry, put on read-only - sorry, disabled).

The following users were not found:
vecsta
 I tried and  the above was  the very quick terse response

Sorry I forgot to mention that my username there is vecki - never changed it like I did here.

[J. M. Pescado]

Why don't you just go back to being vecki?

[vecki]

Well if the Flying Fish says so... I must obey or I might get banned here too!!

I'm in such illustrious company... we should start our own club, the Banned from VS Club.  Or the Banned from Rentech.com Club

Or does it already exist?  How do I apply to become a member?

(actually I've just been too damn lazy)

[DrBeast]

uh oh, once the poking tool is armed and ready, it's, like, locked on load and must be used before returning to the normal at ease state. (yes, I like commas... and alliteration ...onomatopoeia too, 'cept in foreign tongues.)

Onomatopoeia...? Don't tell me that word actually exists in English...?
I'll be damned...just made a check and there it is. You english speaking people must be the greatest language plagiarists on earth! 
Man I feel even prouder for being greek! 

[J. M. Pescado]

I'm in such illustrious company... we should start our own club, the Banned from VS Club.  Or the Banned from Rentech.com Club

Or does it already exist?  How do I apply to become a member?

You already are a member. You get to be a member anytime you get banned from rentech.com, alongside myself and Inge.

[Sagana]

Man I feel even prouder for being greek!

And well you should be, Greece being an absolute oasis for those of us embarking from the ebony shores of word plagerism, an alabaster nay ivory - no, let me be clear, aLily-white goal for the rest of us. Perhaps tho, we can imitate the phoenix and, with the aid of wonderful Greek alchemy rise from the ashes and join the behemoth-like myth that is the Greek cacophony of native noises (dicounting only baboons, of course) as we submit ourselves to the etymological activity.

[MokeyHokey]

Well, evidently my post was deleted as soon as I posted it.  This morning, I appear to be "not-banned" though, as I get this when I try to search the members list:

MokeyHokey, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

   1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
   2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

Oh, darn. 

harrasing its webmistress with PMs

I fail to see, however, how sending one simple PM asking for deletion of an account is harassment.  If a simple method for user-deletion was in place, one wouldn't have to request removal at all.  Anyway, I didn't send her a PM. I posted a message, which was promptly deleted and someone took the time to make me "not-banned".

[Baddmark]

OMG!!! This new furious state Is SO KEWL!!!! I have this simmy called Jeff and he moved out of the house he was sharing and like the simmy who still lived there totally spazzed with him and had like 3 crossed-out lightning bolts and he had like -100/-100 with her (I think she is an unpopularity sim or something) and when he tried to go back to her lot to bitch-slap her he couldn't because she had accidently deleted the portal or something and the evil nanny was cheering him on and throwing bags of poo or putting hate mail in her mail box or something and then this other simmy who still lives at the first lot came over and started shoving everyone!!!!11
My Simmys are just like so cute!!!

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[Motoki]

Exuse me, but deleting accounts at VS is a hasty decision.

First, you lose the access to Carrigon, Merola and Dizzy2 sections, without being able to download from there.

I don't give a hot fuck as I don't use their stuff anyhow. Even so, Merola and Dizzy's stuff is available elsewhere. At this point, I am so sickened by what goes on at that place I want nothing more to do with her site and that includes anyone stupid or stubborn enough to stay there.

I knew she wouldn't delete our accounts either just to be a bitch. 

Oh and Michael, don't patronize me, okay? I too have known Pescado and Rentech since before the VS days. I am not a "Pescado supporter" either. I think he's a decent, if somewhat twisted guy and overall I like him but I don't agree with everything he says. Nor did he prompt me to go and ask to have my account removed from her site. It was all the goings on over there that lately that really makes me ill, and that as far as I am concerned everyone who stays there silently supports, that prompted it.

My internet handle is a representation of me and my account also contains information about me. I decided to register there (mostly for Pescado and later TwoJeffs) so I think I should have the right to decide when I want to no longer be registered there. If you say our accounts would be removed for inactivity (and I'm not sure how long that would be since I was inactive for some time until recently) then it really shouldn't make such a big difference for her to delete my account at my request. I have no intention of re-registering there nor to I have any intention to post there anymore and she has my full permission to repost my private message where I specifically asked to have my account deleted if I ever were to claim she banned me.

But she knows all this, and as we've seen, she's got no problems repeating things discussed in private anyhow. She's just doing it to spite us and that's fine. Just shows what sort of person she is and what sort of person those who remain on her site are surrounding themselves with.

[Bangelnuts]

.
If you want to complain about how "immature" variousimmers is - and I'm not denying that it can be the case - you can start by *not talking about it constantly and harrasing its webmistress with PMs*  - but rather taking the high road yourself - just walk away.

Some of  us Just wabt to Cancel our Membership at VS and unlike all other forums we are not allowed to do so.if you are acquainted with Rentech then you might want to let her know that PM's would likely stop if she would allow those of us who want to cancel membership to do so. it seems the only way to leave there is to be the  banned but unbanned  member

[cwieberdink]

Exuse me, but deleting accounts at VS is a hasty decision.

First, you lose the access to Carrigon, Merola and Dizzy2 sections, without being able to download from there.

I don't give a hot fuck as I don't use their stuff anyhow. Even so, Merola and Dizzy's stuff is available elsewhere. At this point, I am so sickened by what goes on at that place I want nothing more to do with her site and that includes anyone stupid or stubborn enough to stay there.

Oh, Motoki, don't be mad at Gali.  Did I start this all inadvertently?  Was this all back at the inception of MATY when Rainbow posted the link here, I put up a message here that she had sent some "spawn" this way and we had a little battle both here and at VS.  I apologized, she accepted and all was good again.  Is that was started this whole "Don't link to the site" nonsense?  I hope not.  While I am nowhere near as sweet as Gali, I don't like to be the root of wars either.  Anyway, I like you Motoki but I was just gonna quietly fade away from VS instead of making a GRAND EXIT.  I hope that doesn't put me on your shit list too.

C

[Motoki]

Well I was more thinking of people who are actually active there since apparently it's impossible to do anything to remove your membership but quietly fade away anyhow. 

Also, I really don't think private messaging Rennie and asking to have my account removed is all that grand of an exit. It's true, I did post what I said to her here publicly, but I didn't post anything publicly at her place about it and have no intention to.

[cwieberdink]

I didn't mean you were making a GRAND EXIT, I just know you are rather famous for doing so, and since imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I wanted you to know that I was not going to imitate you, but I still like you.     Does that make sense?  <affecting whiny voice> Can't we all just get alooooong?

C

[Motoki]

I didn't mean you were making a GRAND EXIT, I just know you are rather famous for doing so, and since imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I wanted you to know that I was not going to imitate you, but I still like you.     Does that make sense?  <affecting whiny voice> Can't we all just get alooooong?

LOL Okay and yes I have been known to make grand exits in the past. 

But this time I just want nothing more to do with that place. Even having my name on their member list makes me feel all dirty.