Why won't they shower?

[nightwand]

I've tried doing a bunch of searches, but if this has been addressed I can't find it. So, here goes.

I've been trying to build a health club.  I'm thinking about having my Athletic Sim buy it and run it as a post-retirement business, but it's just a regular community lot for now. I put in a pool, some exercise machines, etc.

It all works pretty well except none of the visiting Sims will use the showers.  They work out until they go into Hygiene failure and then sprint off the lot.  I've tried calling them off the equipment before they hit failure, and they just wander around stinking.  I started out with the communal shower set up from University.  Then, in case they didn't like that, I put in separate rooms with the top end shower stall.  Nothing.

I know the showers work because a playable will use them when told to do so.  I can't recall if a playable ever used them autonomously.

I'm running on the OFB engine with NL and Uni installed.

Anybody know why the filthy little things won't hit the showers?

[talysman]

Hmmm. I have same setup (except for OFB,) and I built a gym on a regular community lot once, but I don't recall ever seeing townies shower autonomously. I'm not even sure I've seen dormies shower in Maxis-built Uni gyms, only in dorms, and only if it's their dorm. Maybe they just won't.

I have one custom-built Uni dorm for my current neighborhood, so I'll check that out tomorrow and let you know if I can duplicate that.

[J. M. Pescado]

It's due to the way showering works. EAxis didn't want sims to autonomously go around showering at other people's houses, so visiting sims are disallowed in most specific cases from using the shower. If you make them selectable, you'll never see it, because the process of making them selectable short-circuits that part of the test. So basically, they will exercise until they become stinky, then leave.

[cyperangel]

And even using BUY wont fix that?

[LizzyJ]

I have a hack called public plumbing that lets townie sims shower on community lots, I picked it up of MTS2.

[nightwand]

It's due to the way showering works. EAxis didn't want sims to autonomously go around showering at other people's houses, so visiting sims are disallowed in most specific cases from using the shower.

You'd think they'd vary the rules between residential and community lots for that sort of thing.  Of course, you'd think they'd do a lot of stuff they don't.

I know I've seen Sims visiting a residential lot hop in their hosts' showers once or twice. It's definitely not the norm, though.

[nightwand]

I have a hack called public plumbing that lets townie sims shower on community lots, I picked it up of MTS2.

I'll have to check that out, thanks!

[Mirelly]

Beware the non-awesome!

[J. M. Pescado]

I know I've seen Sims visiting a residential lot hop in their hosts' showers once or twice. It's definitely not the norm, though.

They're allowed to do it if they think they've been invited to stay. This bit can be persistent or randomly get stuckset, but no, it's definitely not normal.

[LizzyJ]

Beware the non-awesome!

I've been using the public plumbing since Seasons, never had any conflicts with my other hacks or any issues. I'm very careful with my hacks.

[sloppyhousewife]

I've had visitors shower on community lots, but you need a low enough bladder motive to lure them into a BUY controlled bathroom, as they won't decide to shower as a stand-alone action. That's why I have espresso bars on most of my comm lots, and no restaurant.

[Inge]

In my game, townies shower quite happily when they need to, on community lots.  I have OFBShowerBath.package by Squinge.  Not sure if that's what is making the difference or not, I had almost forgotten I had it.

[talysman]

It's due to the way showering works. EAxis didn't want sims to autonomously go around showering at other people's houses, so visiting sims are disallowed in most specific cases from using the shower. If you make them selectable, you'll never see it, because the process of making them selectable short-circuits that part of the test. So basically, they will exercise until they become stinky, then leave.

Yeah, I remembered this was the case even for Sims 1, after I logged off for the evening. Arrrgh!

The "hack" involved is editing the object to make it usable by visitors. I use to do this to showers and beds in the old game, but I don't think I've ever done it in Sims 2. It's pretty simple, no BHAV editing involved, so public plumbing hacks from MTS2 should be pretty safe. It'd be pretty hard to screw up setting one constant.

[Lord Darcy]

I use dizzy's Bath Shower for Visitors hack, which allows visitors to take a shower/bath. It's similar to Squinge's hack, but it's still actively supported by dizzy.

[Inge]

The main thing that puts me off downloading from Dizzy is that he tends to be quite cryptic and often I am not entirely sure what I'm getting or what I'm meant to do with it.

[Lion]

In my game, townies shower quite happily when they need to, on community lots.  I have OFBShowerBath.package by Squinge.  Not sure if that's what is making the difference or not, I had almost forgotten I had it.

I saw somebody saying that OFBShowerBath.package is not good for FT (maybe in the abandoned hacks thread?), so I took it out. It's working for your FT game, Inge? Then I will put it back in. Although dizzy's might be better because he has done updating.

The main thing that puts me off downloading from Dizzy is that he tends to be quite cryptic and often I am not entirely sure what I'm getting or what I'm meant to do with it.

He has a readme or document wrapped among all the files in the .rar, if you missed that.

[J. M. Pescado]

No, I get Inge's point. What she means is that Dizzy likes to be mysterious, so his documentation insinuates that there is something more to his works than he is telling, but then refuses to say what it is. This is somewhat more vexing than documentation that is simply incomplete and I also consider this to be a major turn-off in considering what to install. At least with incomplete documentation, you figure the creator just skipped over the entire "documentation" thing and the undocumented features are thus generally a good, or at least benign, thing. Documented undocumented features, on the other hand, are just CREEPY. They go, "Yeah, there's a feature in there, but we're not telling you what it is."

[Inge]

I saw somebody saying that OFBShowerBath.package is not good for FT (maybe in the abandoned hacks thread?), so I took it out. It's working for your FT game, Inge? Then I will put it back in. Although dizzy's might be better because he has done updating.

I don't remember specifically doing so, but I tend to run unsupported hacks against a hackdiff list to see if anything has (or is meant to have) changed.  I suppose it looked clean to me.

He has a readme or document wrapped among all the files in the .rar, if you missed that.

Does he?  Even so (and this goes for Pescado too lol) I would like to have some idea of what's going on *before* go to the hassle of downloading and unrarring something

[Process Denied]

Now I'm completely confused.  I thought I had Squinges mod, but I have looked all over my downloads and can't find it or any other mod that enables community showering--but my Sims shower.  I have Squinges Morehygiene Communal Shower(all my community showers are of that type) I wonder if it also enables that type of shower on a Community lot.  If it doesn't then I'm a little scared to think that something is hiding in my downloads folder.

[Zazazu]

I use dizzy's Bath Shower for Visitors hack, which allows visitors to take a shower/bath. It's similar to Squinge's hack, but it's still actively supported by dizzy.

Thanks. Since he flounced I haven't kept up with him, and I was near adding snapdragons (which I avoid like the plague) to Dylan's Gym as he couldn't really get star levels with how quickly the townies petered out.

[Strangel]

I have a hack called public plumbing that lets townie sims shower on community lots, I picked it up of MTS2.

Any idea who made this? I've been hunting, but apparently my google-fu has failed.

[Emma]

I've found it, but I don't think it is specifically to allow townies to shower autonomously on community lots. It might be a side-effect though.

[talysman]

I've found it, but I don't think it is specifically to allow townies to shower autonomously on community lots. It might be a side-effect though.

Ugh, that's no good. I *want* sims to fuss over other people being in the bathroom.

[notovny]

And even using BUY wont fix that?

Using BUY and BRY will fix that, when running an owned business.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3068/03222008223858uu9.jpg

In this setup, the bathroom consists of three rooms, a toilet room  (marked by floor dividers,  with one BUY for each stall), a Shower Room (with one BUY for each shower) , and a main room  that's accessible from each, with no BRYs, but nothing else to attract a customer either.


I think noadhd interferes with this a bit, as customers under its influence don't seem to want to engage in undesirable behaviors like getting off the exercise machines and hitting the showers before motive drain forces them off-lot.

[spaceface]

In fact I think noadhd can cause customers to DIE. I had 3 ghosts on a venue lot before I deleted all the exercise machines. The ghosts were amusing though.

I could not understand why customers would use the toilets and not the showers, when I had placed adequate supplies of both as well as BUY.