Because otherwise people will constantly be reporting bugs that are no longer bugs.

Once you have installed the mod for the first time, it should be fairly easy to replace it again... all you need to do is replace the mod and config files. You should know, people at this forum have very little sympathy for the computer-illiterate. Or, for that matter, those who don't know how to use the search function. I understand the procedure can seem complicated; you're best off finding a friend who's good at this sort of thing to assist you.

The latest pre-patch edition of AM, which can be found in the downloads file, has a very long period before it will expire, I understand. Though this does mean it won't be supported. Otherwise, you'll have to change your computer's clock to be behind the expiry date, which is a bit of a hassle, but could be worth it depending on how desperate you are not to bother with the expiration.

Just want to confirm that this must have been an un-AM-related coincidence, because the game is now working correctly with latest AM installed. Thanks EA.

The great thing about Twallan's mod is that you can customise it to run exactly like Indie. Messages and everything. Sure it requires a little fiddling, but don't you think it's worth it for a stable game and working AM?

Are you referring to IndieStone? Because Twallan's mod is quite a good replacement. Don't be intimidated by all the options.

I'm using WA and the latest version of AM. And with AM, my Sims do not go to work or school. There's simply a jump bug and they refuse to go, whether using the carpool or directed to the actual building. When I remove AM, it solves the problem.

I'm loathe to post this in the new bug thread because I haven't seen this reported anywhere else. I am also using Twallan's story mode mod, but removing that does not solve the problem. No other mods.

Anyone have any idea why this would be?


Have you tried getting the relationship up really high?

I can't speak for everyone, but I kept IS up until this week because I knew it worked, and because I'm lazy when it comes to computer games. But I would definitely recommend switching to AM storymode or Twallan's mod now.

Ah! No wonder I've only just noticed. Yeah, 'split household' causes problems, but normal moving out does not. Good to know.

Actually, this shouldn't happen. I'm experiencing this too lately, and not just with parents who don't live together or aren't married.

For reference, I'm still using ISM with the AM core, but this has never happened before a couple of days ago (whether parents were unmarried or living together or not), and I've had a lot of kids in my game. (This could be still an issue with ISM of course; I'm switching to AM story mode when I get my computer back, so I guess I'll see if it still happens then.)

Basically, my system is to get family members married with a baby on the way (using regular old "try for baby" interactions) before they move out of the house. All good. Now suddenly, whenever I move them out, a couple of days later a baby is born, but fatherless? I'm having to switch to that household and use the debug interactions so the father can adopt the kid. It's not really a huge deal, but it's a bit of a pain.

Were you having individual Sims freezing or the whole game freezing or both?

My whole game's started freezing now, almost every time I play for longer than fifteen minutes or so. It's pretty irritating, I really hope my computer gets fixed soon.

I have this issue on my current computer (particularly when working out, they freeze with sweat dripping off them and it's freaking weird), but not on my boyfriend's computer. Both have same versions of AM. Is it possible it could be related to hardware, since he has an amazing computer and I am using my flatmate's spare which just about meets the minimum requirements while mine gets fixed? Or could be a coincidence, I suppose.

Yes, that's why I said 'practical' communism, because communism in real life is quite different to the idealistic version. Oh, and like tjstreak indicates, the features of practical communism are often the features of humans failing to live up to ideals in general, so it's not surprising they're exhibited all over society.

Edit: And exhibited in the Sims 3 and IndieStone.

Ahh! I had wondered about this. I wouldn't mind mismatches to be honest, the dungarees are just disturbing.

I seem to remember something along the lines of an NPC being created for each role for each household, which obviously leads to a ridiculous number of NPCs.

Also, none of the NPCs I've had seem to grow older. At least, my toddlers meet teen babysitters and are then able to catch up with them once they reach high school, which is weeeird and is just like TS2.

Also, back in my first game, when I was playing without story mode, one of my Sims moved out of the home and then became a maid. I remembered it because it was the only instance of someone getting a job without me having to force them into it. Is that even possible, or did something get warped there? And would a system like that ever be possible, where playable (but not necessarily played) Sims in houses become maids/paper kids/etc and you don't need single people commuting in from elsewhere who never grow up? It would be nice...

I was explaining Pescado's comment, which I believe was just referring to the "top-down" governmental system, which is a feature of practical communism.

But goddamn, my mind is now filled with amazing visions of TS3: War. I would much prefer that to Vacation. 

Well, yes, and then again, no. Perhaps you're right about communism in its purest and most academic form, but practically, it involves a top down central government system that is in fact much the same as that exhibited in fascist systems. Just look at what happened to the Soviet Union; the government tried to coordinate everything, and that was completely inefficient.

Woo for high school history.

Fourthed. I like the idea of a top down approach, but I don't want to have to get involved myself to make sure things work. I just want them to work.

ISM did have something like this, I believe. Family-oriented Sims have more children, too. And people are more likely to get jobs which fit with their traits.

As for considering traits in people getting together -- I don't think that's necessary. I know a lot of 'non-trait-compatible' couples IRL who work together just fine. Obviously 'commitment issues' should greatly reduce the chance of people getting married. But apart from that, why shouldn't a good Sim and an evil Sim get together? It's combinations like that which make the game fun. What I really dislike is the incompatibility of ages. The way my game's working out, almost the entire neighbourhood is related in some way, and I find it intensely creepy when a young adult fresh out of teenager-hood marries his elderly second cousin. 

I think their point was more that people don't have a right to ISM updates. Which I agree with. It's completely their prerogative to update or stop updating.

Also, from reading the thread, it sounds like they got a real life opportunity they weren't expecting, which is why they couldn't devote time to trying to make the patch work.

And I'm looking forward to trying AwesomeMod storymode out, though. I'd probably never take the plunge otherwise, so in that sense I'm glad. 

I would say this too.

I have never, ever used this trick, and I have had many, many multiple births in game, both in the family I'm playing and out (and both determined by food and not). I have never had a mixed gender multiple birth, as much as I'd love to.

Still, it's good to know there's a way.

Edit: I just tried the trick with consulting a doctor, and the mother had twins, a boy and a girl. Absolutely stoked!

Does she, perhaps, have the 'insane' trait...? I know you might've already thought of this, but it hasn't been mentioned. The 'insane' trait does cause people to wear inappropriate clothing.

So it keeps moving in duplicate copies of the families in your Library? That's weird. I've been playing with Indie for a while now and not experienced that... anyone else had this problem?

I'm guessing it only affects the family you're playing. At least, the Sim I'm currently playing is quite the romancer and now has 20 children by random neighbourhood women. (I'm waiting to see which child grows up looking the least retarded before I pick a successor.) Of those children, 8 are boys and 12 are girls. Obviously this isn't a scientific trial, but seeing as apples are so ubiquitous as a food ingredient, you'd expect the number of boys to be much higher.

Actually, has anyone tested this out, or is it possible to tell from the XML whether it makes a difference to families which aren't being played...? I'm pretty curious now, it's not something I'd considered before.

I've had this happen with adult Sims (close to being elders) regarding their already-married YA children. And yeah, always happens to both parents at the same time. And neither are insane. Pretty sure it's a glitch.

I had a similar problem with a fat adopted daughter. Even the body sculptor changes didn't seem to be permanent.

Luckily, her kids seemed to take after their father.

I kind of like the system, but the only time I've ever had to worry about negative moodlets was when a Sim died in the house; then everyone feels pretty heavily down for the next couple of days. I'd like to see more negative moodlets, and some of the current ones make no sense: why is my Sim who doesn't like children over the moon that he's just had triplets?


I don't think Sims are supposed to be clinically depressed. I think the unhappiness is just regular feeling down, which can be alleviated more easily.