It means that particular sim did not go to work as normal like they should have so ASM is trying to force their ass to work, sometimes repeatedly. Actually, you can click on that message and it will take you over to said sim and you can watch them being forced to go to work.

I had one who was at a park with a toddler and I watched as ASM had to make several tries to get her to go to work. She ended calling a cab back home and then dropped the kid on the floor and finally left and went to work but it took several tries (messages) to get her to do it.

The toddler went *poof* when she left but that is normal EAxis behavior for babies and toddlers left home alone in a house that is not the selected house. I suppose the went into an off site daycare rabbit hole or something.

Well I think it depends on what you are talking about. Some things need rules to operate on to make sense. Like sim families generally shouldn't be moving to a cheaper home unless there is some good reason. That is a very blatant and noticeable thing.

But other things like romance to me is fine being random. I don't think it matters if they are compatible or not. In fact, it's kind of realistic if some couples weren't so compatible.

And how do I know that some townie sim who just got a promotion wasn't sucking up to the boss and then asked for a promotion while at work away in a rabbit hole? I don't. It doesn't matter as long as the amount of promotions in town is tweaked to not seem excessive.

I don't know, maybe I just don't have a very logic and mathmetical oriented mind and maybe I just feel like the end justifies the means as long as the town seems alive and runs itself okay.


Haha I was totally thinking that too, that sometimes life does seem like some toddler is just moving pieces around randomly.

See what sort of environment your fascist insistence on cribs is creating Pescado?   


Yeah, I'm getting a lot of romance fails too. I'm assuming, like you said, it's just normal spammage that it tried but no one was available at that particular time.

Death Owner I ran your game through the neighborhood workshop and resaved it (no idea if that helped or not), then I loaded it in my game and it loaded so I resaved. I'll upload the save file I resaved, only thing is if you had any custom content it might be reverted back to defaults if it's something I don't have, but everything looked normal to me and there's not a lot of custom content out right now anyway.

Will post the file once it uploads.

Edit: Okay here it is: http://www.mediafire.com/?mzzcymxramz

Yeah, that's how I feel. I don't necessarily need events to really happen but I want them to seem reasonable to me as an outside observer and I also want those events to happen on their own and the neighborhood to take care of itself without any input from me other than indirectly when my sims interact with other sims.

Here's the thing, I'm not opposed to those behind the scenes events really happening or the math adding up etc. Again, I don't see it so it doesn't matter to me how it happens just that it happens.

All I know is with ISM I had a population explosion and it was really out of control and my game started to slow down and get really laggy after a while with so many sims in town. Sims were moving to town like crazy and breeding like rabbits.

ASM is the other end of the spectrum for me. It hasn't generated many sims (admittedly I started a new game and nuked everyone and started from an empty hood) and quite frankly I have not has a single birth in this neighborhood that I didn't initiate.

I feel like I have really had to do a lot of nudging and switching households and forcing things to happen and creating new sims etc to really get this neighborhood going and I'm still doing it and it's still not what I would consider stabilized and self sufficient.

Yes but the point I tried to make to you many times is I don't play the whole neighborhood and thus things like how Joe Schmoe gets a promotion doesn't matter to me. I don't know if he actually went to the library and read up on skill books when I wasn't looking or the game just upped his skill level or it promoted him without the skill level. Furthermore, I don't care. Same with cribs. I don't give a shit if some house I will never look at has a crib. Who cares? It just creates more tedious work for me because then I have to go 'Oh damn, I wonder if they aren't breeding because I don't have enough cribs in town. Better go look in all the houses *heavy sigh*'.

I also don't really care if sims who are paired off are a good match for each other or not. You know what? I know plenty of bad matches in real life and some have mind boggling stayed together for a very long time.

I feel like some degree of random stuff that happens that I don't see is okay. Random shit happens in life. I just want the neighborhood to be alive and running itself without a lot of input from me.

The thing is though that Indie Stone ruins the suspension of disbelief because the degree of promotions is excessive and it has sims do obvious nonsensical things like have Goths move from their 300k home to a 100k one. I may not play those houses, but those are the kind of things that hit you in the face and you can't help but notice.

A facade is perfectly fine with me as long as it looks reasonable on the outside to the observer. I don't ever intend to go inside. It's like the rabbit holes. Who the hell knows what's in there. Who the hell cares? In reality we all know it's nothing at all, but the outside of the building and sound effects give the illusion there is something inside. It ultimately doesn't matter that there is not. The game is just about making you believe what's going on and keeping your suspension of disbelief up. I don't care at all about the numbers or what goes on behind the scenes as long as gives the appearance of normal neighborhood activity and I don't have to go chasing after all the houses and organizing the whole town. This isn't Sim City and I don't want to play Sim City.

I'm sure it was deemed not PG13 enough and they were afraid the BBS kiddies might ask their parents what wanton meant.

Maybe you could salvage some piece of them, their looks at least, with the neighborhood workshop but I'm not really sure it would help. Maybe try resaving with it?

*Thinking*

Want to post the save file to megaupload or mediafire or something so that maybe some of us could play around with it and see if we can get it to run?

People can be demanding and ungrateful for sure, but when they leave a project unfinished for a significant length of time, especially when it becomes unusable due to a patch, then people are going to grumble. I think a lot of us are kind of spoiled too with Pescado's constant toiling away and frequent updates.

As for a continuation, you know, I like aspects of both ISM and ASM and in other areas I feel like they go to two different extremes (ie too much obvious arbitrary and random events that don't always make sense vs too much of a demand for realism for events I'm never going to see and don't care about; too much spawning and updates vs not enough etc).

We've got a top down and bottom up approach, but what about a middle path or a hybrid?

While I am not much of a builder unless the mood really hits me, I would love it if someone took it upon themselves to redesign the whole neighborhood and yank out all the EAxis houses and put better ones in.

The only thing would that is they couldn't bulldoze the Beautiful Vista lots, but you can still go into them, knock everything down and then build a new house from scratch. If you did that and then uploaded the new cleaned up neighborhood save file it should still retain it.

Just uninstall and reinstall. (It will give you an option to keep your saves) Then don't touch anything and just go straight to the patch.

For US English get this one: http://akamai.cdn.ea.com/eadownloads/u/f/sims/sims3/patches/sims3_1.3.24.00001_from_1.0.631.00001.exe

For Worldwide/Razor get this one: http://akamai.cdn.ea.com/eadownloads/u/f/sims/sims3/patches/sims3_1.3.24.00002_from_1.0.631.00002.exe

If you are unable to uninstall for some reason follow the guide here.

May I suggest the hairs by Hairs at Modthesims? http://www.modthesims.info/browse.php?f=372&showType=1&gs=2

They aren't anime or froofy doofy hoochie cutesy like the Peggy's stuff, but I have them all in my game and they all work well. Their creators have done a good job with them and were mindful that they were created the correct way so as to not cause problems, unlike, ahem, certain other creators.  

See here.

It probably would have been simpler to just download the Razor version in the first place.

Also you don't even need to patch to 1.27 you can just go straight to 1.34 from the base install: http://akamai.cdn.ea.com/eadownloads/u/f/sims/sims3/patches/sims3_1.3.24.00002_from_1.0.631.00002.exe

Any of the commands that can be enabled with the config file can also be enabled/disabled in game via the console box (control shift c) but you will have to re-set them every time you load the game since without the config file those options will not stick and awesomemod will revert to its defaults.

Okay I will try it. He is damned fast with those hidden updates, heh.

@Kyna: He fixed the mass infidelity and romancing in the latest (latest as is not an officially announced update but a reuploaded fix) version. Maybe a little too well because no one is finding a partner in my game now. I'm just getting a bunch of attempted match failings. *Shrug*

Do they have the Mac digital download for which there isn't a patch available yet or can they just not figure out how to get the patch to work? I really hope it's the former and that people who can code for a fairly complex mod would actually be able to problem solve and figure out a way to patch.

Daz: What version of the game do you have? US English or Worldwide?

0.0.011195 is the base unpatched game so your attempt at patching definitely didn't take.

Get this file for Worldwide:

http://akamai.cdn.ea.com/eadownloads/u/f/sims/sims3/patches/sims3_1.3.24.00002_from_1.0.631.00002.exe

Or this one for US English:

http://akamai.cdn.ea.com/eadownloads/u/f/sims/sims3/patches/sims3_1.3.24.00001_from_1.0.631.00001.exe

Watch the patching program carefully to see if it errors out and if so look for a log to see what file is the problem or just use Delphy's patch log viewer

Remember, if you changed or removed any file from the original base game install the patch may complain and refuse to install. This includes but not limited to, no-cd cracks, some versions of the censor blur removal, camera changes, possibly even removing default library families or mp3s or any of that.

Well then that brings the issue of placement. Autonomous sims really can't place furniture in any sort of reasonable manner. I suppose they could shove it in the family inventory, but I am sure to have a baby in the house and have the crib stashed away in the family inventory would fail the Pescado test of realism.

I argued with Pescado until I was blue in the face over this and I didn't get anywhere. I'm tired. Your turn.

Sometimes his insistence on realism is too much imo. I am not playing those houses so I don't care. I'd just rather not be arsed with tedious neighborhood 'crib management'. Besides, it is possible to have and raise a child completely without a crib. I know people who have.


This is exactly what I want as well. I just want the neighborhood to run itself in a reasonable fashion and not implode due to over or underpopulation. If the townies actually did stuff besides breed it would be nice too but that's the bare minimum.

Indie Stone is rather overzealous and capricious in it's events, but AM in some cases is too picky or too cautious to me.

There's a fundamental design difference too, not just top down/bottom up, but Pescado and others play multiple houses at the same time so they are more concerned with what goes on in those other houses because they will see it later. I just play one house. I just want them to be townies and do stuff, have kids, simulate a neighborhood but I don't want to run the neighborhood. I think some people who play this game do want to run the neighborhood.

Snootysims has long been known to posts rumors and unsubstantiated information. What is their hard evidence that the patch is causing problems other than conflicts with various custom content and mods that have not been updated to work with the patch or just plain user error?


That's fine. Some people are born with the unlucky trait.

The only other things I can think of are Daz thought the patch went through but it actually errored out on something and didn't, there's some lingering conflicting file still somewhere, or there's something particular about Daz's specific configuration that the rest of us don't have that is causing the problem. Thing is, we can't solve something we can't reproduce.

To Daz or anyone else having this issue and who has patched check your TS3.exe file located here C:\Program Files\Electronic Arts\The Sims 3\Game\Bin. Right click on it, select properties (the last option on the menu) and then look and see if the file and date information match this:



Then go to the Version tab at the top and see if your version info matches this:



If you patched successfully all that info should match.

I'm also getting a bunch of tries that come up lack of romance victim in the latest build and I have lots of singles in town.

By the way falconpuch is implemented as a real command in the latest build.

In my experience it is no so good at seeding a new blank neighborhood so either like you said seed it yourself with some of your own sims or run Indie Stone for a little bit and let it generate some. You have more control with the former option though.