Yeah, that's why a random assignment would be nice. But you'd think they'd get the badges upon being made into townies... after all, if they were newly generated after OFB, they'd get them, and the playables I've made into townies before have gotten false memories and other such things, so perhaps badges would appear too. I'll have to try this when I'm off work. (I have a gold Multitasking on the Internet Badge *whistle*)

I've gotten that too. I noticed it on a Sim who just transitioned to teen, so I'd just picked her turn-ons anyway. I noticed in the OFB manual that it explains chemistry slightly, so I imagine if you didn't have NL it'd give you that part anyway, and thus the Porta-chugs to the pre-EP Sims?

Anyway, I guess they're sellable if you don't want them, or can give them to a Sim you want to change the turn-ons of. Wonder how much they're worth? I'm so going to have my Sims sell their extra Dream Date flowers in the shops. Finally a use for those! At least with Great dates you can get items...

Hmm, that's true. It replaces the defaults, but since it's worked since the base game I've kept it in, as they also make regular espresso like the normal ones do. I'm not sure why it'd be suddenly obsession-worthy, though, since they only want to make the regular espresso on it and don't autonomously use any of the hacked options that I can tell. Since I have other motive-adjusting hacks now, I might just toss it.

Oho. Yeah, I might just end up doing that with some of them. Once I get them through Uni, if I don't have a storyline going for them, they just end up living in some house and I never play them, so that might work nicely. I'd just have to remember where they are in my aging list and adjust them accordingly if they ever become playable again through marriage...


Yeah, it's possible you're getting a conflict with a hack that adds something to the pie menus? I'll be reintroducing my other-site hacks when they're updated, but so far I have the director's cut in, the ones from Inge, TJ and Crammyboy that are compatible, and some that I frankly just guessed wouldn't conflict, heh. So if you suddenly get the management and sales options, you'll know a hack's the culprit which is better than guessing, anyway...

Someone might have posted this one before, but the Sims are suddenly WAY overobsessed with the espresso maker now. I had a hacked one in every house for quick need fills if necessary, but they were mostly on inaccessible corner counters because I didn't want them making espresso instead of going to bed. Now they keep pausing and getting bubbles showing the stove being in the way, or making espresso when they're 75% green, and I've been forced to get rid of the things so they won't obsess. I'm afraid to see what happens when I go to a comm. lot with one of those there. It's the worst object obsession I've seen in a long time, and made more annoying by the fact that the machines are in every house...

They'll also obsess with relaxing on the LizzLove beds even with advertising turned off, but as that's a hacked/new object I'm not surprised the expansion broke it.

Yeah, it only shows up when you click Sales... on a confused-looking customer. Do you not have the management options on a vanilla-OFB installation? I removed many of my hacks that weren't specifically OFB compatible and only put back in the ones from here and I haven't had any problems. It looks like I also skirted the 'driving a car to comm lot' bug because, though my owner took his car all but the first day, I never saved on the store lot! Phew!


Well, in my case anyway, I have only six Sims (Townies I've made) who've come with any badges whatsoever, and considering they're the immortal tyrants of the Neighborhood, some great-grandparents of my other Sims, etc etc, I don't really want to hire them as Florist Shop Restocker when there are tons of playables who aren't doing much of anything.   If it was possible to randomly give badges to the playables, so I'd be able to hire one with a register badge, I'd do so...

I haaate townies and have gotten rid of them since the start, though occasionally they keep coming back. The noregen, townie and dormie, is working fine for me so far, though. I used to kill them with the NPC tool, but after NL gave me all the unwanted downtownies, I just deleted them (dormies too) and used the memory manager plugin to erase all bad memories of unknowns. So far no signs of fiery explosion yet, and this is the one and only hood I've played since the game first came out.

I never made a business district with OFB, just made a new neighborhood to steal all the Bluewater businesses and then put them in my main hood. Saves on loading time between house and shop, and I have no new townies, and I put up with the NPCs like the professors and mascots.

I'm having a lot of fun with it so far - admittedly, I played the business part of it for the first time last night. Still, it was great. I had a family I was kinda not looking forward to playing - the dad was next in line to age to elder and he had 15 days left. I was contemplating "accidental" Simicide, but now they are suddenly really fun and I breezed through five days with the son's new community-lot florist shop.

Maybe it's because I was reading here so much, but so far it seems pretty intuitive, and I've gotten to level three. Definitely look for customers who seem confused, I've found - if you ask them 'may I help you?' and show them what they're looking for, they almost inevitably get a shiny gold loyalty star. My most loyal customers so far are the confused ones I was able to get to in time.

The second day my owner brought both his pregnant wife and his pregnant mother to work with him. The mother got the usual community-lot wants, though she worked the register in a pinch, and the wife had the running-a-business wants, including the want to fire the one employee which wouldn't go away! She's still obsessed with getting a bronze sales badge, even though she has a normal job. They made a couple sales pitches and basically just hung out and ate, being pregnant, but it was still helpful to have them there. I wish they could have napped on the couch in the break room, though. I had to use a motives cheat for energy to keep them awake enough to close and go home.


This was my big issue, too, and the one thing I cheated on, though I only gave him a bronze badge. After four days he still hasn't upgraded - WTF? Yet he's gotten a bronze flower arranging badge and a bronze sales badge from scratch, and the one employee has gotten a bronze restocking badge because that's all he does.

My other big beef is that, since I moidered all my townies, no one starts with badges. There are five townies I made myself that DO have badges, but they aren't exactly the types who work in cheap furniture stores. All the rest are my playables, about 150 of them. I'd seriously love a hack that assigns playable Sims random badges, because although I could cheat and assign them some myself... well, I don't wannnt to cheat that way, for once People aren't always talented in exactly the right areas and I don't want my Sims to be, either.

I noticed also where some people were complaining about the amount of customers? That seems to be tied into the amount of Sims on a lot ala the graphics rules. There definitely (thankfully!) aren't as many as come onto downtown lots, but I still get a good amount of customers, I think about five, at once, which was too many for my owner to handle alone. Three in line while he hunts and pecks at the register? Pain! Incidentally when I threw his wedding party I was able to invite five Sims, which is more than the game ever let me do before without editing the graphics rules, and this is on the same computer as ever.

Otherwise, well, I'm having tons of fun with it, and I'll have to get one of my richer families to buy a different kind of business to see how that goes. Otherwise I'll have to veto bunches of plants only in all my playables' inventories

Heh, a couple of my Sim kids got their first Ds because of various popping back after NL installation (though I think there must have been some other reason, too, because it happened more than once). It's so easy to get them As, I kinda liked it

Well, if you can get pregnant in stores doing this, at least one of them will be the wider... 

I made mine in a regular lot with a "hostess" and just used a teleporter to teleport over all the romance Sims. Various hacks kept me from having to mess with her needs while I babysat the romance Sims Now the hostess has adopted a kid, though, and I'll actually have to play her, so that'll be interesting...

It must have been near ten years ago, it was on AOL and you could have one character per screenname, as I recall. I was a cleric then; my sister always liked the bards. I did actually do the pay version a couple times, once as a cleric again and the second time, much more recently, as barbarian. Quite fun, actually, but I could never keep up with it or find a group to fight in, and the furthest I ever got was seventh circle.

T'was DragonRealms for me. Alas, it went pay, and I always got tired of the various skilling anyway, so I never got very far in the guild...

I'm wondering if this is with the patch installed, too - I don't have patch #2 installed and the NPC teens show up in my list as well...

Do any of the fathers have the token? I'm curious because, unless you have abductions or hacks, generally the men don't get pregnant, yet they have tokens... is that 'just in case!' they get pregnant, or does it affect the chance the same way? Because, of course, Sims' genetics are not quite realistic...

So does mine, reason why I moved out and haven't spoken to her in approaching a year. Classic Romance Sim. Sad thing is, Sims is one of the things we actually got along over, when we did...

The thing with the teens not being old enough doesn't count if you're sending them to college through the neighborhood view, anyway. It only makes a difference if you're trying to send them through phone/computer and you haven't disabled that option.

Yeah, that's what I've noticed, too. They generally need at least one bath. I let one go to see if they'd do the shower thing, but of course they didn't, and then the toddler kept complaining so I just fabricated them a tub. Man, I wish someone would drop things down for me when I need them... 

I'd only do this on Met XX for dead Sims that your vampire isn't liable to meet again, though, because otherwise they'll just get them back again the next time they interact with that Sim. I had to replace a corrupt Sim with a clone a while back, and I fabricated back her important memories (not any meeting people memories) up to where she got corrupted, and put back the relationships she had with everyone, but there are huge tracts of memories after that where she's meeting people again that she has 100/100 with.

I read somewhere about Sims being able to take toddlers into the shower to wash them, but I imagine if that ever happened it was a glitch like the ones shown... can't see Maxis coding that in Which makes it really sucky when there's no room for a tub in the house but the toddler's getting stinky - why can't THEY get washed in the sink instead of babies who, as cute as it is, never really need it when there's diaper changes? I usually end up buying them a tub, plunking it on the lawn, washing the toddler and selling the tub back.

I can't say for sure, but I know they'll definitely do romantic interactions autonomously if there's already a love/crush there, and maybe even if they've just flirted once, but I don't know on that last one. They'll always do it on downtown lots, of -course-, where I can't stop them. I'm pretty sure the 'reject flirts if in committed relationship' part also doesn't count if they have hearts with another Sim besides their spouse.

Awesome - that's it. Couldn't remember who had it! I haven't been to VS in forever, it doesn't really open on my slow dialup, and so I forgot Carrigon had her own site now.

Thanks again!

I believe they run away if they have a bad or no relationship with everyone in the house... you may need to adjust their relationships a bit before unpausing. (Ah, Sleepycat said the same thing, heh.) I aged a nanny down to teen, once, and she ran away immediately...

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Heya... does anyone know where the "More Intense Fire" hack might be found now? I recall getting it from MTS2 quite a while ago, but it's not to be found in my backup folder now. I took it out of my game after it killed a Sim I wanted to keep, but a friend is looking for it now and google and site searches only eventually brought up the name. If anyone knows where it might be, I'd appreciate it. Some of my Sims need to have 'accidents'...