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I have a gripe about "Pleasure" sims.

Some of their major wants involve going on dates with multiple people. Problem is you can't seem to go on dates with the game without falling in love if it is successful. That sucks IMO, because it seems to overlap too much with romance sims. The pleasure sims should just want to enjoy some good company and have fun, it doesn't have to be romantic or something more. Dating for fun and good company exists, of course you may say that may refer to outings. However in that case shouldn't pleasure sims want to go on outings instead of dates in this game? As it is now,s ims fall in love after great dates even without any romantic interactions.

While I can't quantify whether it bothers me as much as it bothers you, I can say in truth that I do find it annoying.  I don't like my teens to become romantically attached, and I've found I have to work very hard to prevent crushes as the outcome of a date.  The clincher is that after you end the date, a kiss is automatically queued, and that's often what causes the crush.  I'm always poised on the mouse to delete that sucker when it pops up!

I particularly dislike the "50 dream dates" and "50 first dates" LTWs, but when I've been patient enough to handle them (and not just change the LTW), here's what I've done: 1) The 50 dream dates can be with the same person.  I have spouses have an at-home date with each other every evening -- two, if they can fit it in. 2) The 50 first dates don't have to be good ones.   I hire the matchmaker and give her the minimum amount of money, then end the date after a couple of interactions.

For 50 dream dates, do it with one sim like phyllisp said. I have managed to get this want fulfilled in as little as one sim week without too much trouble.

For 50 first dates, simply use it to meet new sims. Someone in the family might want 20 best friends or woohoos or lovers -- help them to meet new sims.

I always try to make the most of any action. If someone wants 20 best friends and someone else wants 50 first dates, I see it as an opportunity to fulfill both.

Technically, you don't even need a "couple interactions" to end it, you can just end it right there, before even the greeting, it will still score as "Okay" and produce no negative memory. It's one of those fast "exploit" LTWs where it's basically impossible to accomplish this without blatant exploitation.

The 50 Dream Dates want, though, is tedious. It has an easter egg in it,though. Do it with a female sim (the male text is just generic blah-style), and your memory will read "Dates, Yay". Clearly the placeholder text of an exasperated programmer. Because it was tucked away in the secondary strings and not immediately visible, they didn't change it to be the kind of generic blandoid text that typically accompanies such, and it escaped notice and even got translated.

What, no haiku, Sir?
Did you become bored so soon?
"Dates, Yay" -- new fact, thanks!

Thanatos, you may want to consider getting Pescado's 'No instant loves' hack. or whatever it's called. It won't prevent sims from falling in love, but doesn't make it as ridiculously easy as it normally is without the hack.

I despise how romantic sims are set up. Yeah there are people out there who don't give a shit about who they are tring to get into bed with but i wouldn't call them romance minded. We call them whores.
 I always thought that the romantic sims should have had wants to fall in love or flirt with certain sims not just roll the wants to Woohoo with 3 sims or what have you.
He's going out with Julia but then he sees Donna and Julia is all but forgotten at the moment. Then later he sees Sarah and goes gaga. I know people who do that kinda thing.
As far as i've seen there are two main types of romance minded people. The ones who are all fairy tale romance then theres the ones who "fall in love" and "out of love" quickly and easily.
I always thought that they should b wanting to woohoo with a certain sim not a nameless number judged on their attraction to them and their daily relationship at the moment..

No instant loves is a life saver!
Morriganrane, I have always felt that the romance sims are exactly that in and out of love type.  The ones who want the fairy tale romance with their one true love are family sims.  Once they get a crush they typically just want romantic interactions with that one, once they fall in love they typically want to get engaged.  Mine also pretty consistantly roll wants involving their spouse that range from talking to kissing/woohoo.  That seems to cover the true romance type of sim pretty well for me.

Not long after I got the game one of my family sims married a romance sim.  This was before Uni, so the screw-everyone-in-sight LTW didn't exist to make me realise that romance sims were designed to be whores.  They were a faithful, happily married couple.  She kept the romance going in their relationship (i.e. wanted affection from him - hugs, kisses, flirts, etc), while he was more concerned about having kids and how well the kids were doing with toddler skills, in school, etc.  All of her wants revolved around her husband.

This was how I initially viewed romance sims - as simply wanting a little romance in their lives, not to sleep with everybody.

This bothers me, too. I know it's possible to achieve those LTWs without having your sims form crushes with the entire neighborhood, but I would kind of like it if they were able to have a lot of great dates without the romance being involved.

I set one of my serial dream daters up on a boy date, (not unusual in my game but I set him up with a very, very hetero male because he was handy...)
Still being fairly new to the sims dating thing, I was curious if you could do a 'just friends' thing.

They had a dream date without romantic interactions and though they started off as strangers, I think they just did the best friend hug at the end.

and why does everyone always hate on the Romance Sims? They're tied with Romance for my favourite. The first one I ever had was the town uh, man-whore until he married a Family sim. He was completely happy (platinum) faithful to his wife and a far better parent to their gazillion kids than she was. Romance sims are awesome!


 

I agree with Zeljka - romance sims are awesome. They are sooo easy to keep in platinum that romance became my favorite aspiration (it used to be knowledge before) ;D

I like Romance Sims, too.  Their primary desire is woo-hoo, and woo-hooing with their spouse keeps them always in the platinum -- unlike Pleasure Sims, my least favorite (replacing Fortune), who have constant small-point wants like jumping on the couch, lighting the fireplace, taking a bubble bath, etc., plus the time-consuming want for dates.

When Romance Sims they get wants like multiple loves/lovers, etc., I don't fulfill them and the want goes away.  They also seem far more interested in caring for their children than Family Sims do.  If they (or any Sim) roll a LTW that I don't like -- like 20 simultaneous lovers -- I reroll.  After all, the game is about MY pleasure, ultimately  ;D

I agree.  I have romance sims who flirt/woohoo with anyone they can (romancemod is critical necessity), up to a point.  However, I find they make good spouses and parents as well, once they "settle down".  Need to make sure they get woohoo with their spouse and things are fine for them.  I can ignore wants to "kiss other sim" etc.  I also reroll stupid LTWs - I hate the 20 simultaneous lovers, and the "have 10 kids" wants (population control concerns).

I play with a lot of romance, knowledge, family, and popularity sims.  I don't like fortune sims much because too many of their wants revolve around buying things, and I can't frankly be bothered.  They should go make money and stop bothering me about a new computer/TV, especially if they have one already.

Generally I don't mind if they fall in love with someone else.  Leads to interesting situations, which is, to my mind, entertaining.

I also agree.  A married Romance sim does not have to be a slut, their wants are easy to fulfill, and they do make good parents. I reroll Romance sims until they get a career LTW and get them married, and they're easy to deal with.  Half of my favorite couple is a Romance sim and he's perfectly happy. He's got several other loves, but that doesn't mean I have to let him have them around the house, let him woohoo with them, or let him get caught.   

With Family sims, the quantity of children seems to matter more than the family bond--that's kind of annoying. She's got a toddler, a child and a two day old baby--and she wants to have another one? WTF?  What about the ones you've already got?

I don't like Pleasure sims because their wants aren't worth much and their Aspiration is kind of stupid anyway.  NightLife would have been just fine without it.  They lead pointless, ridiculous and stupid lives in my game, in keeping with their airheaded Aspiration. 

I can live with Fortune sims.  Buying things is easy for a boost and they alway have a want to go to work.  I don't have a lot of Popularity sims lately, but they're not too bad.

I can only have 1 or 2 romance sims in a hood. Any more than that and everybody is up in arms about who he or she slept with. I do agree that romance sims can make great spouses, but sometimes, they never get over wanting to make out with other people they have high relationships with. I usually let them do their hearts desire (which is whatever they want autonomously) and if their LTW is too hard for me to fulfill, tough. Not everyone can be perfect and that's how I like my game.

There is no Romance, there is only Grilled Cheese Zombification. With a chance to reroll to an acceptable aspiration if it's the start of a new 'hood.

I never was a fan of Romance Sims, but I've found that playing single Romance Sims can be entertaining. Don Lothario in one of my Pleasantviews is still a Romance Sim, but he's pretty much "settled down" (resigned himself to?) to family life with Nina and their kid--he's rolling straightforward wants to Woohoo in Bed/Hot Tub with no one in particular and to work out on the exercise machine. He's fairly happy aspiration-wise.

Pleasure Sims are the bane of my existence. I can never seem to keep them satisfied because their wants are annoying and have low point values; I don't like making Sims go on dates for the sole purpose of fulfilling a regular want or a LTW because for me, dates are for falling in love and rolling engagement/marriage wants.

Romance/Fortune Sims seem to be excellent parents, oddly, like some of you mentioned. My Family Sims are more concerned with the creation of babies than the actual care/feeding :P.

I used to play romance sims pretty exclusively for the longest time until the whore bit finally got to me. I still have a soft spot for them.
I play alot of pleasure sims now. They're as close to my aspiration in the sims as I can get. I like to think of them as having a kind of ADHD and being prone to enjoying simple pleasures. :p
I tend to only play family sims when i need to set up a breeder. Their set up annoys me as well. They should be rolling more wants to interact with their children not be concerned with the quantity or the quality (straight As, private school) what have you.
The private school want seems more fit for the fortune sims because its a kind of prestige want. It reflects well on them to have children who do well.
I rarely play knowledge but I adore them. Its like they court danger all for the great quest for knowledge. It just amuses me to see "curiosity killed the cat" in action. I can't help but think of a scientist over an experiment who is completely non-pulsed when it explodes in his face then bends down to repeat it t find out what he did.

I make a lot of temporary families for my testing neighborhoods (hoods dedicated to building and testing out new lots), and my favorite was a married Romance couple.  I made them both generic Aquarians and dropped them on the lot; they immediately started autonomously kissing, pillowfighting, making out, and generally chasing each other all over the lot giggling.  They were a lot of fun.   :)

How did you get autonomous kissing?  Was this an ACR induced behaviour?  I don't have ACR loaded, and have never had any romance sims do anything autonomously romantic (hug romantically, kiss, flirt, etc.).  On one lot, I specifically restrained myself from "assisting" a romance sim who liked another playable.  I fulfilled her want to be friends, be best friends, and play, entertain, appreciate, etc., but not to kiss, woohoo...

She had the wants to kiss the guy, woohoo, flirt, etc. but had no clue about doing this autonomously - best she could do was pillowfight with him, which improved the friendship, but not much else.  She ended up in aspiration failure before I finally felt sorry enough for her and kick started the romance a bit.

I made them married in CAS, which was enough.  I think relationship scores have to be at a certain point before sims will autonomously flirt, and they won't do it at all unless you set a gender preference -- the sim you want to do the flirting must perform at least one user-directed flirt before that sim will initiate it.  (I didn't have ACR at the time.)

Interesting - generally my married sims keep a relationship of 100/100 or close to that, so I'll have to observe more carefully if a romance sim in a couple like that does autonomous romantic stuff.  Thanks for the tip.

It could also be the number of bolts. I recently had my first three-bolt couple (I can never get three-bolters, no matter what I change), and they're constantly autonomously flirting, kissing, hugging, making out, etc. They are Family and Knowledge.

I've never had a couple who was this into each other, not even romance sims!

my hood has way too many 3 bolters  :P  good thing they make me laugh  :D

I'm not sure but I remember seeing my sims flirst and kiss autonomously since uni or nightlife (or that could just be when I actually noticed it happening). I also saw visitors autonomously flirting with the playables. I had a visitor flirt with the wife and, of course, stupid sim behavior forced her to accept right in front of her husband. That broke up their marriage and I was really pissed. Snatched the romance mod as soon as it came out!

I think you are more likely to get bolts if your sims are nice or outgoing.

a sims zodiac sign affects bolts the most from my experience in switching zodiac signs with InSIM in order to get more/less bolts between certain sims.

I get three bolters all the time if their Turn-Ons are compatible and their Turn-Offs match...

In my game, Chemistry seems to be far greater influenced by Zodiac and Aspiration than turn ons /turn offs which don't seem to affect much.
(almost all my Sims have the same turn ons/turn offs yet are not attracted to the same sims.)

I have several sets of triple bolters in this neighbourhood.
It probably helps that almost all the Sims I've created have such similar personalities (sloppy, outgoing, active, playful, not overly nice) which translates to sims with the same Zodiac, and I can't help but notice that at least 80% of the Dormies I generated in the Clean Uni Hood seem to be *Knowledge (!?) Makes things a little less random.


*I'm not complaining really, if I had to pick one aspiration to fill a University with, this would have been it. Would have really sucked if they were all Pleasure, Family or Popularity...

I get tons of 3-bolters because I make everyone's turn-on/off's the same. My problem is that it happens in groups. There will be one female sim, and seven males who have three bolts for her. Or vice versa.

most of my sims have a lot of the same personality traits (most are very outgoing and very active, fairly serious) but not the same Zodiac.

/random info
with InSIM you can change the Zodiac without changing the personality (with testingcheats enabled, if you change the personality too much then the Zodiac sign changes). I assume Zodiac signs could be changed in SimPE without the personality being changed but I haven't tried it.


most of my sims have the same turn ons/offs (by gender - females usually get fit & facial hair, males usually get fit & makeup) ...I should go back to rolling for them. I made a list of all the turn on/offs I'm willing to use and then divided them up and numbered them (hair gets rolled a second time for color/hat), certain numbers have different choices for male or female.

Chemistry and bolts use a combination of zodiac sign, turn-ons/turn-offs, aspiration, and interests/personality. You are guaranteed to have a 3-bolt couple if both sims are, say, Capricorn knowledge sims with black hair and glasses, who are attracted to black hair and glasses, and have exactly the same personality points. Certain zodiac signs and aspirations are more compatible than others. For example, family and knowledge sims are highly compatible, but knowledge and popularity sims are not. I have a popularity/knowledge couple in my game who have the same zodiac sign and compatible turn-ons/offs, but their respective aspirations keep them from having 3 bolts for each other. It really is a combination of all these factors that determines how many bolts a couple will have for each other.

Every once in awhile I post something then say to myself, "That was dumb, everyone knows that already." Later I am relieved when someone posts back that it helped them.

I've got a real life couple in my game and carefully worked on their personalities so that they matched the people I know. The only problem was that it created a 1 bolt couple even though I specifically made their turn ons/offs to match the other Sim rather than to reflect real life. The problem is that the couple is a 3 bolt couple in real life, in the way that Sims with 3 bolts always have to be up each other's asses whenever they are together.

I've seen the InSim option to change their Zodiac sign, as well as the one available on the lot debugger, but was always afraid that it would change their personalities and I wouldn't be able to get them back exactly the same way they were. So thanks for posting that. 8) I'm going to fix things as soon as I get back into the game.

I think there's value in posting almost anything. Though many of us here have been around long enough to know what does what... a lot of people (myself at times) lurk for answers to questions they feel may be too stupid to ask.

Sleepycat... I did eventually use Insim to switch it up because it was just too darn easy.

Playing Uni with my random yet nearly identical dormies showed me the mixed blessing great chemistry (with everyone they clap eyes on) could be.
Suppose the problem is that I cave to my Sim's wants so even if I'm not intending to 'get them with someone', if they're mooning over someone, I'll let it happen. While it was handy for putting Romance sims through, playing a Fortune Student who easily made it through the same way (graduating with a perfect grade despite barely writing exams, an inventory bursting with expensive gifts and something like 52 loves) made me realize that though the Romance LTWs are a blast to play, I probably shouldn't be corrupting all my sims that way, heh heh.

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(I talk too much... shrug)
Mine almost all have the same turn-ons/offs too. If I'm playing them in a Romantic way, (regardless of asp) they'll get black hair, fit or costume makeup (most of my sims have black hair, they all end up fit and because I've deleted so many eyes, they all wear contacts) I don't care what gender they decide to pursue, most of my males wear makeup (eyelids) and glasses mean jewellry or piercings so facial hair would be the only gender specific thing I could pick. (sometimes used for Legacy heir/esses)

Not that any of it matters, I had 2 bolt roommates that couldn't keep their hands off each other and when I peeked, they were a perfectly unlikely pair. He was a fat redhead (her turn-ons: blonde, fit/fat turn-off..) He liked black hair and makeup/fit turn-off, she was fit and barefaced with brown hair. Of course they were both Knowledge and had good compatible zodiacs...

When I first started to play I tried all the aspirations, I found my favourite to be knowledge Sims. As it's been mentioned they want easy things (knowledge which kills time and makes money), plus they are great parents, always wanting to teach the toddlers skills, get them into private school, high marks etc. In fact I start all my kids off this way and then watch while are at Uni to see how they act and adjust them accordingly. Also they make great husbands or wives or even partners, they roll whoo hoo wants and all the romance stuff like Romance Sims if you nudge them a bit and they are maxed on skills and jobs, in fact they roll all the wants when I think about it from a microwave to a good harvest.. Easy Peasy…hee hee!

But then I got interested in Romance Sims, I even designed a whole beautiful water neighbourhood for them. I meticulously designed them outside the game maxing all the ‘stun on sight genes', I built purpose made nightclubs, restaurants and shops for them including gift and flower shops (which coincidently boosted my own Sim into being a millionaire through the sale of expensive perfume, flowers, gifts and food), downloaded lots of ‘on the pull kit' Pes's Romance mod and… then I let them loose…  :o

Oh my! I had the time of my life! And so did they of course. They do autonomously make out when downtown or just shopping when I'm not controlling them, making them amusing to watch all the time. I don't have any fights with the mod in place and they stay to bonking each other rather than the other aspirations, (although I have a fortune Sim, daughter of the furniture shop guy in Bluewater,) who is head over heels with a Romance Sims she *cough* met *cough* at a collage party…could be interesting I guess).

The majority are getting a little old now even with the constant use of the magic anti aging serum and I'm thinking about letting them have some beautiful children to breath some fresh genes into the favourite main hood (their hood is a downtown), a couple of them have had babies; Two girls and they are great parents and behave around the kids even though they don't live with the father/mother of the children. My only worry is letting them age and die, they are all so damn rich who is going to waste money in my chain of shops?

Conclusion is it's a tie between Romance and knowledge Sims, I would describe myself as knowledge Sim and in real life these two personalities are at odds, but this game and the couple of mods I have to balance it out make them the most enjoyable Sims to play. I agree about the pleasure Sims I think friendship and loafing should be their diet not aping Romance Sims then jumping on the couch to celebrate…Get serious guys! Loafing and pleasure need planning and money; forget the bubbles and coffee get a great job and start to screw everyone around you like a politician or movie star!  ;D

Oh thanks for the info about the 50 dates, I do have a crazy pleasure Sim who has this want I had every intention of re-rolling (to grilled cheese I was feeling mean) as she is happy with a guy, but now she can party till she is platinum.