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Title: LTW's
Post by: leiela on 2007 March 26, 18:45:20

ok not sure this is really the place to put it, but has anyone made or can anyone make new Life Time  wants ..

i have got the hack that allows the career ones to be picked by any asperation, but seriously if i get another family sim with the marry off 6 kids want or another romance sim who wants to be a slacker im going to go insane.... especially as theres all the new cool jobs included in alot of the EP's that don't come up.   

Not to mention the pleasure sim asperations that just plain suck..sure 50 first dates or dream dates is fun once.. or twice .. but with a neighbourhood population of over 200 im going to go insane if i have to go though that one again. :)

not asking for anything fancy maybe just some to include the new careers.. anything would be helpful.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 March 26, 18:46:47
New LTWs are not practical, as doing so requires tampering with core files and the entire mess is not modular, so only a single such hack may be used.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: SciBirg on 2007 March 26, 18:56:44
Is that what they had to do when they added the new LTW in Seasons?
Or have they changed something in that area of the game now?

*hoping that it will now all of a sudden be feasible to add new LTW*


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: moniquinin on 2007 March 26, 21:15:50
Leiela, you can always reroll the LTW with Pes' lot debugger batman thingie.  I personally wish there was an easier way - just click and choose - but it's good enough if you have patience.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Morague on 2007 March 26, 22:49:39
leiela,

Try the additional LTWs that Squinge enabled http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=39837 These are just the 4 (Artist, Show Biz, Natural Science, & Paranormal ) that EA never enabled


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Kyna on 2007 March 26, 23:03:55
Moniquinin, you can also cycle through the LTWs on the lot debugger.  If you're after a specific LTW then it's faster than choosing reroll LTW.

Leiela, if you're using Pescado's ltwvariety hack, then the LTWs they roll up can be affected by their interests, so tweaking the interests can help.  It's also not a good idea to use it in a fairly new neighbourhood, it's better to wait until the hood is a generation or two old.  This is because the mod takes into account their parents' LTWs so that careers can run in families.

That being said, I ended up taking ltwvariety out of my game as I was ending up with almost everyone wanting to be either Celebrity Chef, Captain Hero, or Hall of Famer.  Some LTWs, such as General, I rarely (if ever) saw in my game.  I was using the mod to give a wider choice of career LTWs to my family sims - but it only added one that I could see (culinary).


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: C.S. on 2007 March 26, 23:21:19
Some LTWs, such as General, I rarely (if ever) saw in my game.  I was using the mod to give a wider choice of career LTWs to my family sims - but it only added one that I could see (culinary).

Could it be that they didn't have enough interest points relevant to the LTW you'd like them to roll? For example, if a sim has no or low interest in crime, they'll never want to be Captain Hero or Criminal Mastermind.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Diala on 2007 March 26, 23:38:45
That being said, I ended up taking ltwvariety out of my game as I was ending up with almost everyone wanting to be either Celebrity Chef, Captain Hero, or Hall of Famer.  Some LTWs, such as General, I rarely (if ever) saw in my game.  I was using the mod to give a wider choice of career LTWs to my family sims - but it only added one that I could see (culinary).

If you want to go the easy (well, somewhat) route, you can download Squinge's All LTWs for All Aspirations (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=38886) hack. Personally, I love it.

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leiela,

Try the additional LTWs that Squinge enabled http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=39837 These are just the 4 (Artist, Show Biz, Natural Science, & Paranormal ) that EA never enabled

Has anyone used this? It seems you just put the files in the downloads folder, without having to edit anything. But I heard somewhere that it wasn't safe.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: bekka on 2007 March 27, 00:05:12


Has anyone used this? It seems you just put the files in the downloads folder, without having to edit anything. But I heard somewhere that it wasn't safe.
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I've used it for over a year and haven't had a problem with it at all.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Kyna on 2007 March 27, 01:31:25
Some LTWs, such as General, I rarely (if ever) saw in my game.  I was using the mod to give a wider choice of career LTWs to my family sims - but it only added one that I could see (culinary).

Could it be that they didn't have enough interest points relevant to the LTW you'd like them to roll? For example, if a sim has no or low interest in crime, they'll never want to be Captain Hero or Criminal Mastermind.

I've tried maxing out politics, health and sports, as those are the only ones I can think of that would be relevant to the military career.  My sims then roll up LTWs for Mayor, Chief of Staff and Hall of Famer.  But not for General.  It seems that not even Popularity sims get it when I have ltwvariety in my game. 

It's the career I'd most like to put my sims in (after the new Education one) due to the reward.  Currently I don't switch my sims to different careers.  Not long after Uni I tried career switching to farm the career rewards and got bored with it (even though I had a self-imposed rule that they had to reach the top before I switched).  My sims now get their LTW career as their only career.  The only exception to this is if I want the lot to have one of the uni career rewards.

If you want to go the easy (well, somewhat) route, you can download Squinge's All LTWs for All Aspirations (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=38886) hack. Personally, I love it.

It's my understanding that you have to mess with the core game files to use Squinge's hack for LTWs, and that you have to remember to uninstall it when you patch or install a new EP.  Too much messing about for me.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: syberspunk on 2007 March 27, 02:07:14
It's my understanding that you have to mess with the core game files to use Squinge's hack for LTWs, and that you have to remember to uninstall it when you patch or install a new EP.  Too much messing about for me.

Actually, I've been playing with his hack for a whiles, and I managed to install both Pets and more recently Seasons without even having to take those files out or put back the original ones.  Honestly, I totally forgot to do this for Pets and it just worked.  For seasons, I just tried it to see if it work, and it didn't complain at all. *shrugs*

I'm not necessarily encouraging you to try the hack just because I may have been lucky.  But it really isn't that much harder to install the hack and/or revert back to the originals.  Just keep copies of the originals in case you ever want to go back.  Installation just involves overwriting the originals with the hack and places the memories in your downloads folder.  It's pretty simple.  It's a shame that Maxis EA doesn't just enable them already.  I've echoed this over and over like a broken record, but if it can somewhat easily be hacked in there,  then it's not much more work for them to just include them already.  Hell, they could just release it as part of a patch, and make it available to those who just have Uni.

Ste


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: SaraMK on 2007 March 27, 02:11:15
I always forget to take that hack out before patching or adding an EP.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Magicmoon on 2007 March 27, 02:13:47
Me too. I've had Squinge's LTWs in and always forget to "put things back" before installing a new EP or patch. Never had a problem either. I always back up my favorite hood before doing anything, but haven't ever had to revert to the backup after installs.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Swiftgold on 2007 March 27, 03:56:06
I've definitely been enjoying the new LTWs with Seasons - but I bet (nah, I know) that they didn't go ahead and enable the ones for Uni... sigh. So dumb, they could have done it right then and it would have been fine! They already spam the teenagers to go to college from the day they turn "12", they might as well have put those in!


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Liss on 2007 March 27, 04:01:29
my knowledge and family sims are constantly rolling the Education career LTW.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: C.S. on 2007 March 27, 06:41:56
I've tried maxing out politics, health and sports, as those are the only ones I can think of that would be relevant to the military career.  My sims then roll up LTWs for Mayor, Chief of Staff and Hall of Famer.  But not for General.  It seems that not even Popularity sims get it when I have ltwvariety in my game. 

It seems personality affects LTWs too. Maybe your sims are too nice, or not active enough, something like that. I have 2 Popularity sims in my game and they manage to roll LTWs for becoming General.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: maxon on 2007 March 27, 08:58:26
If you want to go the easy (well, somewhat) route, you can download Squinge's All LTWs for All Aspirations (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=38886) hack. Personally, I love it.

It's my understanding that you have to mess with the core game files to use Squinge's hack for LTWs, and that you have to remember to uninstall it when you patch or install a new EP.  Too much messing about for me.

Whether you remember to take out the files or not is a moot point anyway since the latest version of this hack only requires the files to be in Downloads (in a sub-folder if you like).  You don't have to do anything with base game files.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Kyna on 2007 March 27, 10:19:11
I hopped on over to Insim and checked out Squinge's section.  I hadn't realised he'd made 3 hacks relating to LTWs, as the only LTW hack of his that I'd heard of was the one that previously required messing with core game files to add in the Uni career LTWs.  I'm not interested in the one that reduces the requirements for non-career LTWs, but the other two certainly look tempting.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: seelindarun on 2007 March 27, 19:01:36
Any testimonials as to whether Squinge's hack plays nicely with ltwvariety?

Ste, I remember you in a discussion about this hack in another thread a while ago.  At the time, I wanted it but knew I was not in a sufficient state of Awesome Readiness to do the maintenance for anything but my DL folder.  Even if you all have been lucky, I just hate the headache of sifting through hacks when something goes borken.

Anyway, I now have at least one other hack which requires such coddling, and more importantly a system of reminding myself of their existence.  I feel ready.  8)  Just wanted to confirm, if you hang out here long enough, eventually you get drawn over to the dark side...  ;D


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: syberspunk on 2007 March 27, 21:01:28
I always forget to take that hack out before patching or adding an EP.

Me too. I've had Squinge's LTWs in and always forget to "put things back" before installing a new EP or patch. Never had a problem either. I always back up my favorite hood before doing anything, but haven't ever had to revert to the backup after installs.

Me three.  Lol.  Well... actually me first, since I did mention it first.  Hee ;D But yeah, it's good to know that I'm not the only scatterbrain that forgot to do this.  Happened to me once with no ill effects, so I just tried it again purposefully the next time around and still, no ill effects (thus far *knocks on wood* :P).  Besides, it's not that hard to revert to back up anyways.


If you want to go the easy (well, somewhat) route, you can download Squinge's All LTWs for All Aspirations (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=38886) hack. Personally, I love it.

It's my understanding that you have to mess with the core game files to use Squinge's hack for LTWs, and that you have to remember to uninstall it when you patch or install a new EP.  Too much messing about for me.

Whether you remember to take out the files or not is a moot point anyway since the latest version of this hack only requires the files to be in Downloads (in a sub-folder if you like).  You don't have to do anything with base game files.

Hrm... well, if you're talkin about the hacks that change or obliterate aspiration dependency, that makes sense.  Those are just regular ole BHAV hacks.  As for the Uni related LTWs?  You mean you can actually stick the Want .packages in Downloads?  I didn't bother reading the rtfm (is there even one?) I just pretty much stuck to what already worked.  I suppose I could re-roll through LTWs and see if they show up.  The majority of my sims are boring and all have the same LTWs (Knowledge get max 7 skills, Fortune typically gets earn $100..., Popularity gets have 20 Best Friends, and Romance gets have/woohoo 20 lovers).  I only had a handful that actually had Uni career related LTWs...


Any testimonials as to whether Squinge's hack plays nicely with ltwvariety?

Depends on which hack you mean.  If you are talking about the one(s) that add enable the Uni career related LTWs, then yes, they play fine together.  ltwvariety was hacked in the first place with the intention that, should Maxis EA ever actually enable those LTWs, ltwvariety would already affect them accordingly.  ltwvariety and Squinge's uni career related LTWs hacks modify totally different things, so they do not conflict.  In fact, they work perfectly together imho.

Now, if you mean the other Squingey hacks that change the number requirements or which aspirations get them, my guess is no.  At least definitely no for the later one (that changes aspiration dependency) since I'm pretty sure ltwvariety affect that too.  As for the requirements one (like reducing them to 10 sims instead of 20), I don't know about that.

Ste, I remember you in a discussion about this hack in another thread a while ago.  At the time, I wanted it but knew I was not in a sufficient state of Awesome Readiness to do the maintenance for anything but my DL folder.  Even if you all have been lucky, I just hate the headache of sifting through hacks when something goes borken.

Anyway, I now have at least one other hack which requires such coddling, and more importantly a system of reminding myself of their existence.  I feel ready.  8)  Just wanted to confirm, if you hang out here long enough, eventually you get drawn over to the dark side...  ;D

I've been using Squinge's uni career related hack since he first released it and I haven't had any issues since.  If it is true that you can just stick them in the Downloads folder and not have to worry about anything else, then that makes things much easier. *shrugs* I could probably test it out one of these days, but meh.  I barely get a chance to actually play for reals.  If anyone can confirm this, then perhaps the same thing would go for my teen woohoo wants hack.  That would definitely be useful to know. :)

Ste


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Li'l Brudder on 2007 March 27, 21:07:18
LTWs are owning what?


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Tamha on 2007 March 27, 21:18:19
"LTW's" is appropriate grammar, because LTW is an acronym. You also should type as "TV's" and "VCR's" as other examples. "Life Time Want's" would be incorrect, sure, but acronyms are supposed to always use an apostrophe.


Title: Re: LTWs
Post by: Magicmoon on 2007 March 27, 21:21:43
Any testimonials as to whether Squinge's hack plays nicely with ltwvariety?

Yeah, what Syberspunk said. You can use the hack that enables the Uni careers with ltwvariety OR with Squinge's Any LTW for all aspirations. But not both. Squinge's hack allows any aspiration to have any of the LTWs. You have to still use lot debugger to reroll the LTW to get what you want. Or you can use ltwvariety that comes with its own specific set of rules governing who can have what LTW. It's your choice. Ltwvariety will "see" the new LTWs if you have them enabled.

I was just over at Squingeland and looked at the "New LTWs mod". It still requires you to modify the base files as well as drop stuff in Downloads. Maybe someone was thinking of one of his other LTW mods?
http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=26700
This is the Pets version. It hasn't been updated for Seasons yet as per his thread in the EP5 section entitled "Any LTW for all aspirations".


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Venusy on 2007 March 27, 21:35:52
"LTW's" is appropriate grammar, because LTW is an acronym. You also should type as "TV's" and "VCR's" as other examples. "Life Time Want's" would be incorrect, sure, but acronyms are supposed to always use an apostrophe.
Not in this case. If it was punctuated as "L.T.W.", an apostrophe would be used. See below for general rules:
Quote from: Writer's Block: Plural and Possessive Abbreviations
The formation of plurals and possessives is usually pretty
straightforward, except in the case of abbreviations and acronyms. The
following rules should help.

To form the plural of an abbreviation, a number, or a capital letter
used as a noun, simply add an 's' to the end.

- A group of MPs
- The late 1940s
- Mind your Ps and Qs

To form the plural of an abbreviation with periods, a lowercase letter
used as a noun, and abbreviations or capital letters that would be
ambiguous or confusing if the 's' alone were added, use an apostrophe
and an 's'.

- A group of M.P.'s 
- The x's in the equation
- Sending SOS's
EDIT: Wrong source.


Title: Re: LTWs
Post by: Diala on 2007 March 27, 21:43:50
I was just over at Squingeland and looked at the "New LTWs mod". It still requires you to modify the base files as well as drop stuff in Downloads. Maybe someone was thinking of one of his other LTW mods?
http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=26700
This is the Pets version. It hasn't been updated for Seasons yet as per his thread in the EP5 section entitled "Any LTW for all aspirations".

Huh. It seems the Seasons version (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=39837) of the hack just requires you to drop stuff in the Downloads folder. I'd be more than glad to use the hack if I didn't have to modify core game files.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Li'l Brudder on 2007 March 27, 22:04:34
WITCH FTW!!!


Title: Re: LTWs
Post by: Magicmoon on 2007 March 27, 22:08:59

Huh. It seems the Seasons version (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=39837) of the hack just requires you to drop stuff in the Downloads folder. I'd be more than glad to use the hack if I didn't have to modify core game files.

Didn't see that. I only saw the "haven't updated it yet" thread.

Interestingly, the file still contains wants.package and wantstuning.package although the intructions do say to drop it all into the downloads folder.

Has anyone tried to see if it actually works correctly this way?

I don't have Seasons yet, so I can't test it myself.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Diala on 2007 March 27, 22:27:38
I just tested it. It does appear to work correctly, which is great.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: jsalemi on 2007 March 27, 23:31:57
I missed the 'drop it all in downloads' thing, and did the old method of replacing the wants and wantstuning files in the game directory, and it works fine that way too.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Tigerlilley on 2007 March 28, 01:58:43
I did not even know that there was new LTWs with seasons  :-\


Title: Re: LTWs
Post by: maxon on 2007 March 28, 11:06:39
Interestingly, the file still contains wants.package and wantstuning.package although the intructions do say to drop it all into the downloads folder.

Has anyone tried to see if it actually works correctly this way?

Yes, it is working so far in my game.  I don't see why it should be a problem since the game seems to read anything in Downloads last and that overrides game files.  A lot of hacks and mods work that way - in fact, most do surely?  It used to be said that replacing your CAS!.package required changing base game files but they work just fine in Downloads too.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 March 28, 11:09:19
That is interesting. This issue warrants further exploration. It may be that they entirely changed how this stuff is read and more things may be open to overriding. If so, an Awesome version may be in the works.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: ScoobyDoo on 2007 March 28, 11:15:00
Speaking of LTW, is it possible to repeat the 20 best friends over again without first destroying friendships?  Especially if you've already hit the 30 best friends want. I know the career ones are easy to redo over.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: witch on 2007 March 28, 11:15:43
A LTW to be a Montana Mountain Man, eating raw meat and wearing bear pelts?  :o


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 March 28, 12:07:47
Speaking of LTW, is it possible to repeat the 20 best friends over again without first destroying friendships?  Especially if you've already hit the 30 best friends want. I know the career ones are easy to redo over.
Wait for them to die?


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Magicmoon on 2007 March 28, 12:31:38
If it is true that you can just stick them in the Downloads folder and not have to worry about anything else, then that makes things much easier. *shrugs* ... If anyone can confirm this, then perhaps the same thing would go for my teen woohoo wants hack.  That would definitely be useful to know. :)
Ste

That is interesting. This issue warrants further exploration. It may be that they entirely changed how this stuff is read and more things may be open to overriding. If so, an Awesome version may be in the works.

Oooh. New Shinys! I've been holding off on the teen woohoo wants hack because of already changing stuff with Squinge's mods. Looking forward to these!


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 March 28, 13:09:13
An experimental revision of the Squinge LTW Mod is here (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/ffs/seasons/test/uni_ltws_sns.zip). In the event that this link stops working, it will be because it was either discontinued or moved here (http://[url=http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/ffs/seasons/hacks/uni_ltws_sns.zip). I've posted this information over in Squingeland also.

Due to the way LTWs interface with the game, it remains impossible to load more than a single LTW-modifying hack into the game. Ordinary wants may be possible, however. More experiments are currently under way.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Kyna on 2007 March 28, 14:14:06
Due to the way LTWs interface with the game, it remains impossible to load more than a single LTW-modifying hack into the game. Ordinary wants may be possible, however. More experiments are currently under way.

/me is non-awesome and a little confused. 

By LTW-modifying hack do you mean a hack that modifies the LTWs available in the game, or do you also mean hacks such as ltwvariety that modify the range of LTWs available to a sim?


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 March 28, 14:15:35
Modifies available LTWs by adding new ones. LTWvariety only modifies BHAV check trees, not wants themselves. More experimentation is ongoing.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Kyna on 2007 March 28, 14:19:28
Thanks for clearing up my confusion.

Does this experimentation include a completely new LTW: winning x number of fights?  Grouchy, active sims would love that want.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 March 28, 14:24:52
I am encountering some unusual behavior in the way wants appear to override. It appears possible to install a nonexistent want, yet an override for an existing want appears to fail to take.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Liss on 2007 March 28, 21:31:58
well I just deleted squinge's and stuck yours in...i'll let you know if my game goes 'asplodie.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: trudy on 2007 March 28, 22:09:14
ah, great :-) Even if just one version works in the downloads folder, I woud like to see an awesome version with the uni careers and some extra goodies :-)


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 March 28, 23:20:57
Heh. So I went and told Squinge about this, and he apparently responded by nuking my post. See if I tell HIM about any more shiny findings.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Liss on 2007 March 28, 23:24:16
hrrrmph. snob.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Kyna on 2007 March 28, 23:38:03
Probably because of the massive size reduction you mentioned in your post over there (from nearly 1 MB to 32 kB).  Whoever deleted your post probably thought that kind of size reduction made Squinge look like a sloppy coder.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: rhodaloo on 2007 March 29, 03:42:36
I'll take massive size reduction in my hacks any day...That being said, I'm trying JM's version.  I loved finding the uni LTW's immediately.  I played all day without anything exploding. 


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Liss on 2007 March 29, 03:45:07
Probably because of the massive size reduction you mentioned in your post over there (from nearly 1 MB to 32 kB).  Whoever deleted your post probably thought that kind of size reduction made Squinge look like a sloppy coder.

hasn't that been pes's claim all along?


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: maxon on 2007 March 29, 18:21:28
oooo - terrif.  Salutes - off to test.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: seelindarun on 2007 March 29, 18:42:09
I don't s'pose there's any chance of this being made available for Pets?  Seasons hasn't come to mac, y'see...  I put Squinge's into my game, but 1MB vs. 32K... that's a pretty big difference.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 March 29, 19:09:46
It is not certain that the technique is effective with ZOMGPETZ!!!111oneoneone.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: SciBirg on 2007 March 29, 20:05:34
JM, you just made my day! I know you don't approve of thank you so here is a :-* instead.

As soon as I get off nightshift I will try out this new shiny.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 April 03, 20:13:20
Stupid-ass question (but then I admit to being a stupid ass): If I download a hack and place it in my lovely downloads/hacks folder while in-game, do I have to quit and restart for it to kick in? I've twins about to turn teens.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: maxon on 2007 April 03, 22:28:04
Stupid-ass question (but then I admit to being a stupid ass): If I download a hack and place it in my lovely downloads/hacks folder while in-game, do I have to quit and restart for it to kick in? I've twins about to turn teens.

Yes - and admitting it doesn't make it any less daft.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: rosenshyne on 2007 April 07, 01:55:35
I just tried putting the wants packages in the Downloads folder with a Pets game, and it doens't work :( So no luck for us.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: dewshine on 2007 April 07, 03:39:08
I'm very happy to have read this thread and found an awesome version of this hack.  Makes me wonder what else I've overlooked.  Awesome hacks are always welcome in my game.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Zirconia Wolf on 2007 April 14, 15:47:57
Just a quick question regarding LTWs : While flipping through my Uni guide (Prima) the other night I noticed that they had a list of the various (current-for-that-EP) LTWs. I couldn't help but notice that one of them was something like Have 10 Kids Abducted By Aliens.

I have yet to see (re-roll) this LTW. Was it overwriten by one of the later EPs or....???

I am using the "anyLTWforallaspirations" mod, plus the "enable the Uni career LTWs" hacks in a game with all EPs including Seasons. I've cycled through all the LTWs with the LotDebugger but no dice! All the other LTWs are there though. Not that's it's a big deal (it's kinda a freaky LTW) but it just made me curious.

-ZW


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Liss on 2007 April 14, 16:16:24
I'm pretty sure those LTWs were either disabled or "oops"'d out before the expansion shipped.  The prima guides are written before the game ships, so sometimes there are things in it that aren't actually in the game because of last-minute changes. 

Am I in the ballpark here, Pes?


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: syberspunk on 2007 April 16, 16:10:14
Although I vaguely recall reading about this LTW (the 10 kids abducted by aliens), I have not seen this in the code.  It would be neat if there were parts that existed and it just needed to be hooked up properly like the Uni Career LTWs tho.

Sadly... even with ltwvariety, or perhaps because of it? My sims are all quite boring, and the majority of them all tend to have the same exact LTWs:

1) Popularity = have 20 best friends
2) Knowledge = Max 7 Skills
3) Fortune = Earn $100,000,000 (or whatever it is)
4) Romance = Woohoo with 20 sims or have 20 simultaneous lovers
5) Pleasure = Have 50 First/Dream Dates

Ugh!  Stupid generic sims with like generic interests.  One of these days, I'll get around to adding an LTW re-roller that deducts aspiration points maybe to that Asp ReNuYu Orb thingy.  I should just narf the reroller code from the FFS Lot Debugger and slap it together. :P


I think I had one sim that actually had one of the Uni Career LTWs on their own, without me necessarily re-rolling... but I don't remember which sim that was now.  I'll have to look through them again and hope it hasn't managed to roll away.

Ste


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Flamingo on 2007 April 16, 18:29:15
Pescado, I seem to have uncovered a problem with your modification. Apparently my Sims can and do actually get the Uni LTWs, but they can't get the actual jobs, even if I shift+click on the newspaper with the testing cheats enabled.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: jsalemi on 2007 April 16, 19:29:56
Sadly... even with ltwvariety, or perhaps because of it? My sims are all quite boring, and the majority of them all tend to have the same exact LTWs:


Yea, I go back and forth on that hack -- there're times I leave it in, but when I start seeing a run of the same-old-same-old (or SSDD :) ), I pull it out again.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: RainbowTigress on 2007 April 17, 00:23:46
I can't wait to try this out.  I saw this in the test directory last night but haven't gotten a chance to play with it.  Does anyone know if this will conflict with Squinge's Any LTW mod?


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: BambuLimey on 2007 April 17, 10:34:04
Flamingo: Do your sims in question have university degrees? The Uni jobs won't appear anywhere if your sim isn't qualified to get them. If your CAS sim has an LTW for a Uni job - well, sometimes Life sucks - you could reroll their LTW using the FFS Lot Debugger, or the Cheese Orb, or use syberspunk's shiny hack to make Uni job requirements more realistic.

RainbowTigress: I suspect this may clash. El Presidente mentioned that only one LTW-altering hack can be used at a time. I don't run any Squingeland hacks myself, so I can't give you an answer from first-hand experience.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Flamingo on 2007 April 17, 12:17:52
Actually, yes, they did graduate from Uni. I removed the hack and am going to see later today if it was that hack or not causing it.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 April 17, 15:20:00
The LTW variety hack and JM's Uni-unlock one seem to be completely compatible, though. I have both, and I'm getting loads of variety and ...just once so far...Uni-wants.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: RainbowTigress on 2007 April 17, 18:10:53
I experimented with this last night.  I ran the hack conflict scanner, and while Squinge's AnyLTW and Pes' ltwvariety do conflict, there is no conflict between Squinge's AnyLTW and Pes' uni LTW mod.  However, I ended up taking out Squinge's hack because it takes too long to cycle through all the LTW's to get to the one I want.  :P  I think I'll stick with ltwvariety, and if I have a sim I want a different LTW for, I'll spawn the Sim Modder through testingcheats. 

I was interested in Squinge's reduced requirements LTW mod for the ones like 3 children instead of 6, etc., which will help with curbing the population explosion, but I did not like changing Max 7 skills to 5 skills.  Usually my sim kids have maxed 5 skills already by the time they become a teen, and when I tested this in my test hood, the "Max 5 skills" would not roll up as  LTW for a teen who had maxed all but one skill point.  I had to take away two skills and 1 skill point from another before it would roll up.  Then she could get the LTW.  I tried changing the mod in SimPE from 5 to 7, but when I saved it, it blew up from 8k to 32k!  :o  Also the "Directory of Compressed files" entry disappeared.  I don't know why this is, but I couldn't figure out how to compress it again, so I just deleted it.  I would love to see one though that reduced the number of children or 1st/dream dates, etc., but not skills.  It would be awesome if we had one we could modify ourselves to make it harder/easier or just customize it to our personal playing style. 


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 April 17, 18:43:18
I experimented with this last night.  I ran the hack conflict scanner, and while Squinge's AnyLTW and Pes' ltwvariety do conflict, there is no conflict between Squinge's AnyLTW and Pes' uni LTW mod.  However, I ended up taking out Squinge's hack because it takes too long to cycle through all the LTW's to get to the one I want.  :P  I think I'll stick with ltwvariety, and if I have a sim I want a different LTW for, I'll spawn the Sim Modder through testingcheats. 

I was interested in Squinge's reduced requirements LTW mod for the ones like 3 children instead of 6, etc., which will help with curbing the population explosion, but I did not like changing Max 7 skills to 5 skills.  Usually my sim kids have maxed 5 skills already by the time they become a teen, and when I tested this in my test hood, the "Max 5 skills" would not roll up as  LTW for a teen who had maxed all but one skill point.  I had to take away two skills and 1 skill point from another before it would roll up.  Then she could get the LTW.  I tried changing the mod in SimPE from 5 to 7, but when I saved it, it blew up from 8k to 32k!  :o  Also the "Directory of Compressed files" entry disappeared.  I don't know why this is, but I couldn't figure out how to compress it again, so I just deleted it.  I would love to see one though that reduced the number of children or 1st/dream dates, etc., but not skills.  It would be awesome if we had one we could modify ourselves to make it harder/easier or just customize it to our personal playing style. 
50 dream dates is ridiculously easy. Just take a married or 100/100 couple to a community lot with some snapdragons, and have them continuously date, switching the asker each time. The snapdragon/dream date boost combo should keep you thoroughly in the green, and you don't have aging. It's just boring grinding. Now Grilled Cheese....why they made it something completely unattainable unless you plan on the sim being a porker is beyond me. 50 would be reasonable. 75 doable.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: RainbowTigress on 2007 April 17, 19:02:54
Yes, it is easy, but as you say, it's so mind-numbingly boring.  :P  That's one of the reasons I don't play Pleasure sims.  That and their boring wants.  Jump on the sofa.  Juggle.  Jump on the sofa some more.  Ask someone on a date.  Juggle.  Soak in hot tub.  Jump on sofa.  Play chess.  *pulls out hair*


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 April 18, 17:34:39
That's why I don't play Romance sims. Woohoo in the bed...Woohoo in the hot tub....Woohoo in the photobooth...Make out with X, Make out with Y. Yawn. If they started actually wanting to be caught cheating or bork their girlfriend's brother right in front of her, then I'd be more interested. Hence, grilled cheese zombification. The Oversoul is not amused by Romance Sims. The Oversoul is amused by zombies shuffling around jonesing for melty cheesy goodness.

That reminds me...my current neighborhood needs a bit of necromatic meddling.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: Cyjon on 2007 April 20, 23:03:39
At least Romance sims get 3500 aspiration for each boring act.  Pleasure sims get 500 so you have to do 7x as many boring things.  I generally play with only two romance sims in my neighborhood (one male one female) but I won't play with pleasure sims at all any more.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 April 20, 23:16:36
And the thing is, the aspirational value of those "boring" things is discrete. If they had gotten ASP continuously like motive-satisfaction for doing silly stuff, it'd have been more tolerable: But they don't, so the result is that satisfying their wants involves running about starting and stopping activities like a severely ADHD child.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: notveryawesome on 2007 April 22, 01:15:52
Yes, but I've known people like that IRL. The sims version appears to be a true and accurate representation of the pleasure-seeking personality, IMO. This doesn't make the behaviour any less irritating, however.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 April 22, 12:43:37
Yes, but I've known people like that IRL. The sims version appears to be a true and accurate representation of the pleasure-seeking personality, IMO. This doesn't make the behaviour any less irritating, however.
Well, I'm not sure how "moving one chess piece" really constitutes playing chess or kicking the ball once constitutes a proper game of kicky bag, really. But I guess I'm a completist and not at all a pleasure sim, given that I derive satisfaction from being uncomfortable and miserable.


Title: Re: LTW's
Post by: jsalemi on 2007 April 23, 00:52:48
But I guess I'm a completist and not at all a pleasure sim, given that I derive satisfaction from being uncomfortable and miserable.

Maybe in your honor the next EP will add the 'Misery' aspiration. :)