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Anyone has accurate juice recipe?
the one floating on the internet not really acurrate at all. only a few are actually acurate, many others are not.
like orangeade, can never figure out exactly how many oranges and lemons it takes.
the veggie coctail said needs 2 tomatos, 1 cucumber, 1 pepper and 3 beans, but after i made the juice i still get 2 beans and 1 tomato left.
i notice the fruits all have different qualities, which may be a factor, but so far i dont see how it is affecting the result.

Bug.
So far i found out that orangeade is not working at all, i got message say i got a badge but the sim don't actually get it.
tried on different sims and none of them working, wasted a lot of my oranges and lemons, is this a known issue or its just me.

Did you get this information from a guide on TSR, perchance?

And as for the orangeade, I never really understood it; I had one of my Sims drink it, but I didn't get a message claiming they received a badge or whatnot.  :-\ Eh.

Orangeade doesn't give badges outright, it adds points towards a random badge. Unless your Sim was already very close to having the next badge, you should only see the badge point increase over his/her head (like you would see if they were actually working on that badge).

Someone on S2C posted this from the Prima Guide. =)

Apple Juice (4 apples) - finish homework faster
Beauty cocktail (2 oranges, 1 cucumber) - love potion
Eggplant juice (1 eggplant) - random skill points
Lemonade (4 lemons) - cools sims down
Orange juice (4 oranges) - cures colds
Orangeade (3 oranges, 1 lemon) - random badge points
Pepper Punch (1 pepper, 4 pole beans, 2 apples) - energy boost
Pureed boot (1 boot) - freak out (sim does random animations), no hunger satisfaction
Strawberry juice (6 strawberries) - clears furious bit
Tomato juice (3 tomatoes) - warms sims up
Vegetable cocktail (2 tomatoes, 1 cucumber, 1 pepper, 3 pole beans) - builds skills faster


PS. For the orangeade to work the Sim must have at least a bronze badge in one talent.

Some of the recipes in the Prima guide appear to be incorrect. I tried 4 lemons to make lemonade and it didn't work. I only had the options to remove the produce or stock more. It actually took 6 lemons to make one serving of lemonade. I haven't tried with the other recipes yet to see how accurate they are. It's not surprising though, the previous Prima guides do have their share of errors. I don't know if it would be an error on the part of the Prima folks or if it's due to the Maxoids making changes afterward.

The actual  recipes are:
apple juice - 3 apples (faster homework)
beauty cocktail - 2 oranges, 2 cucumbers (love potion)
eggplant juice - 2 eggplants (random skill points)
lemonade - 6 lemons (cools sims down)
orange juice - 6 oranges (cures colds)
orangeade - 4 oranges, 2 lemons (random badge points)
pepper punch - 2 peppers, 1 polebeans, 1 apple (energy boost)
strawberry juice - 3 strawberries (clears furious bit)
strawberry lemonade - 2 lemons, 2 strawberries (platinum mood)
tomato juice - 3 tomatoes (warms sims up)
vegetable cocktail - 1 tomato, 1 cucumber, 1 pepper, 1 polebeans (build skills faster)
The Prima guide also says you only need 3 times the ingredients to serve juice (6 servings).  This is also inaccurate, you actually need 6 times the ingredients.

Baaaaa *presses thanks*

This seems right. I've known that the recipes were wrong, but wasn't paying close enough attention to remember the right ones. And I could never get it to SERVE the stuff.

Katatonic's list is the correct one. pioupiou in the "Odd things I noticed about Seasons" thread posted with the same #'s.  And in the playing i've done I also get those #'s.  pioupiou also mentioned that it's 6x each ingredient to get the serve juice option.

Here is the list pioupiou posted. It also lists the amount needed for "serve juice" option...
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,7455.msg210057.html#msg210057

Oh! *mortified* Sorry for posting the wrong recipes. Eep. *shakes fist at Prima Guide*

thanks for the recipes, regarding orangeade, i tried on all kind of different sims, some with no badges, some with multiple gold badges and some with bronze, silver and gold badges, none of the sims got any extra badge after drinking the orangeade

Is there any point to putting fruit and vegies in the fridge?  The option is there to stock them, but you can't seem to remove them later, or make anything from them that I have noticed yet.

Glitch?

Stocking a fridge with them gives "Fresh produce" points that apparently makes food sparkly and worth more hunger value.

Why fresh vegetables can make pork chops better is a mystery I really don't want to know the answer to, lest I become physically ill.

And Death To All Nesses.

And here was me hoping for things like apple pie!   :-\

I noticed there's an option under Dessert called Berry Pie, maybe that is new? My sims never get to eat dessert, so I really can't tell if it's new or not. I noticed it when I was looking for recipies that involved the fruit I just stocked my fridge with...

the berry pie thing was there pre-seasons.  OFB, I think.

And here I was thinking I had found something. Nevermind then. :)

Those recipes are not right either... Here are the ones I personally confirmed in my own game:

Before slash is a single recipe, after slash is a serve recipe.

Apple Juice- 4 apples / 18 apples
Beauty Cocktail- 2 oranges, 1 cucumber / Could not find a serve recipe
Eggplant- 2 Eggplant / 12 Eggplant
Lemonade- 6 Lemons / 12 Lemons
Orange Juice- 6 Oranges / Could not find a serve recipe (I tried up to 21 oranges!)
Orangeade- 4 Oranges, 2 Lemons / 12 Oranges, 3 Lemons
Pepper Punch- 2 Peppers, 4 beans, 2 apples / Serve recipe not found
Strawberry Juice- 6 Strawberries / 18 Strawberries
Strawberry Lemonade- 3 Lemons, 2 strawberries / 9 Lemons, 6 Strawberries
Tomato Juice- 3 tomatoes / 9 tomatoes
Vegatable Cocktail- 2 tomatoes, 1 cucumber, 1 Pepper, 3 Beans / Serve recipe not found.

Some of them required so much produce I gave up before finding a recipe for serve.

You don't get a BADGE, you get badge POINTS. Little plus signs with the badge by your sims head when they are skilling up on badges? Those things.

Yep, badge points, not to be confuddled with actual badges.

On the other hand, you get skills, and not skillpoints when you drink the eggplant juice....

I disagree with the recipe posted by persephone (see the bold text)
From my testings in game :

Apple Juice- 3 apples / 18 apples
Beauty Cocktail- 2 oranges, 2 cucumbers / 12 oranges, 12 cucumbers
Eggplant- 2 Eggplant / 12 Eggplants
Lemonade- 6 Lemons / 36 Lemons
Orange Juice- 6 Oranges / 36 oranges
Orangeade- 4 Oranges, 2 Lemons / 24 Oranges, 12 Lemons
Pepper Punch- 2 Peppers, 1 bean, 1 apple / 12 peppers, 6 beans, 6 apples
Strawberry Juice- 3 Strawberries / 18 Strawberries
Strawberry Lemonade- 2 Lemons, 2 strawberries / 12 Lemons, 12 Strawberries
Tomato Juice- 6 tomatoes / 36 tomatoes
Vegatable Cocktail- 1 tomato, 1 cucumber, 1 Pepper, 1 Bean / 6 tomatoes, 6 cucumbers, 6 peppers, 6 beans

Seems like the serving is always 6 times the single juice.
I don't know if the quality of the vegetables and fruits plays a role. The testing was done with the best qualities (mouthwatering ?? I'm playing the game in french)
Pioupiou

Other people disagree too, even though I have tried out each recipe adding produce one by one until the option comes up.  It leads me to beleive there might be some unknown variable in that juicemaking or some sort of bug.  I'd love to know why it takes more produce for my sims to make the recipes than others do.

Oh, I guess that would be easy to try out.  I know cooking skill doesn't matter.

I assume that Sims' environment is hightly radioactive, hence the sparkling in food. Stocking pork chops in the same location means that they became radioactive too.
This may explain also why they die in a very short time (maybe Elixir of Life is a chemio... who knows?  ;D).

Most of the meat dishes in the game are served with vegetable sides. I would imagine that is the cause of the sparklies.

I'm not sure of the exact calculation (looks complicated), but you can achieve three different intensities of juice. Generally, you can expect nothing from low, a moderate effect from medium, and a strong effect from high intensity.

Maxoid Sam put the "correct recipes" in his stickied note in the seasons forum at the BBS.  He states the prima guide IS wrong, the recipes were changed since the time of its writing.  Most of the recipes he confirms are the same as mine, but they might be identical to the ones reported above.  However he doesn't confirm the serve recipes so I'm going to assume they really are x6 since x4 sure as heck doesn't work for me.

I told you I didn't want to know, lest I become physically ill. Because that's revolting.

When you check the contents of the fridge, it now gives you two statistics: one for fresh food, and one for normal food. You can stock the fridge with the plants you harvest if you want, to increase the fresh food statistic. So perhaps when the food is sparkly (and it isn't the fish), that means it was made from fresh food instead of normal, bought food.

I just decided to disagree on principle.

"Your proposition may be good,
but let's have one thing understood -
whatever it is, I'm against it!
And even when you've changed it or condensed it,
I'm against it!"

The Six times theory works for my game, I'm wondering if it's because both Pioupiou and I are playing European versions of the game?  We've had odd things happen with the localisations before, remember the Karaoke problem?

From the code for the game I've been able to confirm the 6 times thing, as well as all the recipes posted by Pioupiou here (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=7627.msg212114#msg212114) are correct.

EDIT: And now you can find all the recipes easily in game with this new hack (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=7690.0) from Peasantry. :)

OK, so I've been playing Seasons quite a bit.  I have my sims rake and compost because compost is better for the plants.  I have them tend and talk to the plants, because - again - that's better.  I use lady bugs instead of spraying.  All of this to get mouthwatering veggies and fruit for best effect.

And it takes SO MUCH TIME that I have to maxmotives to do it all - so they never actually eat any of the stuff I've stocked up!  There has to be a happy medium in there somewhere.

You know, a cool hack would be one that lets you "serve" juice with the same or near the same as making one.  I say this because, seriously, it takes a whole tree's harvest to serve one round of lemonade or orange juice or apple juice!

From the juicer of Maxoid Sam:

That's actually accurate. I had an apple tree in the backyard, and we harvested enough apples to make one batch of applesauce. It takes a dozen lemons at least to make a pitcher of lemonade, and a small tree only provides maybe a dozen total. We grew barely enough lettuce in our backyard for one salad every month or so (we  combined with storebought to make salads taste better). And strawberries barely grow any fruit as well.

IRL you have to wait about 10 years or so before you get a really good harvest.

The apple tree had been there since they bought the house in, let's see... 89 or 90, and was there until we moved out about 12 years later. The issue was that the gardener didn't go to that part of the yard, it was in the area that wasn't landscaped and had weeds, grass, and pests galore, so we had bug- and worm-ridden apples. We had to cut around the holes in the apple to get to the uncontaminated portion, which was fine for applesauce but not good for snacking on them. They were tart as all get-out too, we added a ton of sugar.

You are right. Apple trees are a real PITA. Now, on the other hand, citrus is easy. I live in Az and my citrus takes very little care. Water, fertilizer , NO pruning unless damaged, and a little love. I have a moderate ( approx 10 ft tall) sized lemon tree and I have already picked around 50  lemons but there are well over 50 more on the tree. I have to squeeze the  juice and freeze it to make lemonade or it goes to waste. It is blooming like crazy at the moment. My dwarf grapefruit yields around 80-120 ruby reds with ease. So, if the trees in the game are only yielding 20 or so lemons, that is way off base.  :P 

Citrus needs a lot of water and a ton of heat, so it depends on where you live. Assuming that the sims is more based on northern California (where the game is produced IIRC) citrus trees don't fare as well as all that. After we moved we put in some lemon and lime trees, and they didn't produce enough annually the first few years for even a decent pitcher of lemonade (they were rather young though)

Kuronue..you're absolutely correct. I didn't know that you could even produce decent citrus in Northern Cal. I would have assumed they would be almost ornamental. Of course, young trees don't produce well. I'm planting a pretty mature Mexican lime this spring, and I don't expect much fruit for a few years. Heat *is* a big factor. We're already experiencing 90 degree days. ARGHHH  I'm new to the AZ desert and I am still learning how to garden here. I have another home in ND, where nothing grows.
The trees at my home in AZ are approximately 6 years old and are still considered young. I'm arfraid of what is going to happen when the lemon tree attains full maturity.  Would you like some lemons??? I can't give them away here!  :-\

Back on topic..I do understand that Maxis EA games is in NoCal, but  one would think they would base the harvests on somewhat ideal locales, weather etc.  Did they even Google lemon, apple or orange trees to ascertain maintenance and yields? IRL the correct seasons for citrus would be Summer,Summer,Summer, Fall.  A more realistic approach might have been to have the yields increase as the trees mature. Since I know diddly about game coding, I am assuming that this would be difficult? I guess the game is difficult enough for a lot of people, so throwing growth cycles and watering schedules to citrus would be a curve ball.

Well considering that the pre-seasons climate was sunshine without excessive heat (which, if you throw in some rain and fog occasionally, is northern Cali pretty much year round), I just assume the game to be set further north than AZ (especially since they now get a true winter). I suppose it would have been too much coding for lazy old Maxis to make different plants grow differently depending on the seasons you set- if you set no winter, all spring and summer, certain fruits should do wonderfully, whereas apples might suffer and dehydrate... damn, I need to learn more about modding so I could whip that up

The game is not letting me make eggplant juice. I have stocked the juicer with lots of mouthwatering eggplants, and the option doesn't appear.

I will try on other lots once some more of my sims manage to grow eggplants, but meanwhile I was curious to know if anybody else is having the same problem...

hunh...I was wondering why my food was all sparkly...apparently I have the correct title!!

What does the vegetable juice drink actually do? "Builds skills faster" is pretty vague when you think about it. 
- Does it increase a sim's smartness or does it work in some other way? 
- Does it last forever and if so, is it capped? 
- If it's temporary, how long does it last?
- Does it apply hidden skills as well as the usual suspect? 
- Does it affect badge skill gain?
- How big is the effect?

Same kind of questions about the one that lets kids do homework faster. 

Also how long does juice keep and is there a way to save it for later?   

yes there is a way to save it. it says that you can save it, never spoils, and can be sellable. but i havent tried it as of yet. http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=226764

I have tried that hack and it works as advertised (I believe that I have all of them in my game).  The only problem is that once you have stored them in your inventory, there is no way of knowing what kind of juice they are - the inventory tooltip only displays 'Juice.'

I haven't looked at the code, but Sims appear to learn skills about twice as fast for about 12 hours.  It doesn't affect badge skills or homework, far as I can see.  One thing I've noticed is that a Sim will suddenly put the book they're studying away for no apparent reason.  I'm guessing this is when the effect wears off.  Time to hit the juice again.

Hook

I've had sims doing this randomly since Seasons. I've never used vegetable juice. It seems to happen only with married-in sims, but then my sample size is small. It's much too inconsistent for me to tell why, but all sims doing it had positive aspiration levels and half-to-full on every motive.

I've seen this happen only with the education reward so far - sims seem to stop skilling as soon as certain motives (IIRC it's hunger, bladder, fun and perhaps social) are down on 50%. Not recommendable in combination with the skillinator, because the sim starts reading, stops, puts the book away, takes the book, sits down, starts reading etc. etc. without taking care for his/her needs, because they're not low enough for the skillinator to take care of.

I haven't done a whole lot with juices to this point, so I'm wondering if what happened last night in my game is typical of making juice with "tasty" fruit rather than "mouth-watering."

I stocked the juicer with a whole bunch of tasty strawberries and tasty lemons.  I had 4 different Sims who were in green aspiration make strawberry lemonade, which is supposed to increase your mood to platinum.  For 3 of the Sims it appeared to have no effect except to quench their hunger.  For the remaining Sim (he was actually the third Sim to make juice), it increased his mood to platinum.

I had understood that making juice from tasty produce would have a mid-level effect, but that doesn't seem to be what happened to me.  Can anyone put some light on the subject for me?

All I've managed so far is tomato juice, which does have a heating effect.

I did download Paladin's produce packing bench and the manual states: "All produce packed into crates becomes mouthwatering produce. I was orignally planning on trying to pack only like quality produce into crates and then labeling it as such (crates of tasty, mouthwatering and bland). I could never make the code to access the instance details of the inventory token work. I found code in the game that did what I needed, but I could never get it to returns the quality details that are stored with the inventory token when it's created. The data is clearly there, but all I ever got back was zeros..."

What I don't know is if the produce reverts to its picked state once placed in the juicer.  If not, then the best quality juice should always be available if crated first.

Whether it produces the advertised results remains to be seen.

That sounds like a less-Awesome version of the Fruitbowl of Awesomeness, which you should be using instead, as it correctly remembers fruit quality.

Not quiet - the bench allows you to pack produce in crates and sell them in bulks of 12, but it offers no storing facility. I use both, the produce packing bench and the Fruitbowl of Awesomeness. I have to add, though, that I never harvest anything below mouthwatering quality (crap is being sold right away), so I've never experienced any problems.

I found a Sim who had just graduated from Uni, no gardening badges, with some fruit in his inventory (from his dorm).  Twelve tasty lemons, nine tasty oranges, and six tasty apples.

I had him crate the lemons, since you have to have at least a dozen to make up one crate.  They turned into mouthwatering lemons after crating.

Uncrated the lemons back into his inventory.  There was no indication as to quality.

Then I moved the lemons to the Fruitbowl of Awesomeness.  Like the juicer, when the stock is checked it just says there were twelve lemons in that bowl.

But when the lemons were removed from the Fruitbowl and placed back into his inventory, they were labeled as mouthwatering lemons.  Backwards compatibility?

So apparently the rise in quality from tasty to mouthwatering, when initially crated, does stick.

I guess that will let me increase the price when they get to market.  Premium fruit calls for premium prices!

If you crate bad fruit, they will magically become good fruit when removed, because the Simswardrobe implementation of fruitstorage is of poor quality. They are non-AWesome. Once cheated up, they are indistinguishable from otherwise legitimate L3 fruit.

The only way to have a decent garden without hitting maxmotives about once every five game seconds is to have no more than two of each tree and two plots for every item your gardening Sim can plant. And compost anything and everything that can't get up and walk away under its own steam. Trust me on this one - I've been playing the game for about a month now with all the EP's, and I played TS2 when it and Uni were out for over a year. (I love my new computer!)

In this period of time, you haven't tried Macrotastics (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,208.0.html), have you?

You must not be very good at this, because even without getting to the point of intense micromanagement that is best handed off to a macro, it is not that difficult given the _______Many commands that are already built in.

I expect they're from s2c- the laity there seem to either play with motivedecay off and aging off, or hit maxmotives every few game hours because they forgot to feed their sims or their sims wet themselves.

I have a sim with 24 plots plus several trees, and she is perfectly able to cope with it all by herself without hitting maxmotives *ever*, all the plants "thrieving" without a greenhouse. Sure, it's a fulltime job, but that's what I expect when I play a farmer. But she even finds time now and then to "entertain" friends (booty call) or to go fishing. No big deal, really. And what else'd I do with a permaplat sim that has maxed out all skills?

Imho, this gardening stuff is so much fun (the only reason why I bought Seasons) that I don't even use macrotastics to garden :P