More Awesome Than You!

I remember this coming up in a thread a while back, after NL came out, I think, but I haven't seen any mention of it since. Please feel free to hit me if I'm wrong. I can take it.

I used to play with showheadlines off because this little bug REALLY got annoying, but the past couple of months, I've had headlines on, and I don't remember seeing this. Not since...I don't even know when. Pre-Pets, maybe? No clue.

Bradley takes a shower, and everyone on the lot, INCLUDING THE CAT, has a problem with it. They're even spawning multiple thought bubbles on the subject.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/Brynne14/CuppaJoe2Feb07/spam.jpg)

Was this fixed in a prior EP and is just now resurfacing in Seasons? Actually, this is the first time I've even seen this in Seasons, come to think of it, after playing for a few days. It's one of those things that really jumps out at you when it happens, so I don't see how I would have missed it if it was happening, before. Has anything been done, Awesome or otherwise, to stop this? It SUCKS.

Poor Bradley.  Maybe he needs to change to Irish Spring ("but I like it too") or something.  :P

Actually Brynne, I've never seen this before and I'll be interested to see the replies. 

I'm trying to remember where I saw it discussed here, before. It was a looooooooooooong time ago, I know that much.

Did Bradley break the shower?

I've not seen it quite that bad, but I have noticed pets having that thought bubble when someone in the house is taking a shower.  Don't remember seeing that before seasons.

Thought bubbles have been broken (in my opinion) since Nightlife.  Pleasure and Grilled Cheese sims are stuck w/ Family thought bubbles like adopting babies and getting married.

I didn't know you could turn them off. 

I thought it was normal for some reason.  Pretty much any time a person uses the loo, everyone on my lots gets that thought bubble.  It's like they're all complaining that not only is the room in use (because we all know that sims like to party in the bathroom), but that they expect the sim in question to break something, leave toothpaste in the sink, or miss the toilet entirely...

The matter has been under passive investigation for awhile, although we haven't found anything conclusive. I should start digging again.

I thought that was norma;! My bad.

I've had this problem too. It's like every sim can smell the umm...

Okay. Well, anyway, it is annoying.

They really do.  I'm doing the Insane Asylum Challenge.  I've built them an enormous day room with everything the challenge allows, and where does everybody end up?  In front of the single solitary toilet that's supposed to serve eight people.  But  it's not that they're lining up to use it; they're having pillow fights or playing red hands.  Oh, sure if I wanted to have a pillow fight, I'd head for a 3x4 room instead of a room with space to run around in.  Stupid sims.

Does anybody know WHY they love the bathroom so much?

It's happened since day 1 of the base game, and you kind of have to wonder if this wasn't the reason. Maybe it's a joke?

I think they do it even if the sim is just showering though too.

Well, all Bradley was DOING was showering. You'd think my sims would see that as a good thing, as hygiene-obsessed as they are!

Elvie: type "showheadlines off" in the cheat box to get rid of them. Won't get rid of the heart-fart bubbles, though.

Sim food must be pretty potent stuff - even the mail carriers in my neighborhood can smell someone in the bathroom three stories away.

I don't have this problem. Perhaps your bathroom's environment score is too high.

Do sims gravitate toward rooms with high environment scores?

It's hard to have a bathroom that doesn't have a high score if you've got the expensive toilet and showers.

Of course, someone's going to show up and say BATHROOMUSESYOU. And that's probably a good idea.

"BATHROOMUSESYOU"

Devil's advocate: BUY = too much showering = too much broken plumbing.

I like to wait until my sims get completely stank.

May I never stumble upon your sim's universe.

I shall kill them all if I do.

STANK NOW!

My sims are busy pixels! No time for excessive OCD hygiene. "Oh, you peed? Time for a thorough scrub down!"

Really? My sims rarely shower with BUY.

Yes. I just want a little piss break and have things lined up after it, and they are constantly being pulled into the showers and pissing (har har) me off.

Really? The way I understood it works is, if BUY grabs them and they have less than full hygiene, they shower.

If you have stuff queued up after the BUY and they aren't that dirty, they won't shower.  But if nothing is queued up and they are a bit dirty, they'll go ahead and shower.  My teens don't have acne hardly at all since I started using BUY.

I am doing the same challenge, and as far as I can tell, the reason why they hang around the bathrooms so much is because they all head that way at the same time. In the process of trying to shoo each other out, they get distracted and play red hands or kicky ball.

I wanted to say that I too am getting the stacked thought bubbles. Grr, shower!

BUY is doing something I never noticed before--it's pulling guests in and then popping them out repeatedly, and what seems to be doing this is a resident sim in the house has low hygiene or bladder, but that sim is engaged in some other activity. It's like a guest can't stop getting sucked in and popped out until I cancel the resident's task and send them off to shower. Specifically, this happened when I had the sim invite a guest to spend the night. I'm guessing residents have priority over guests.

Yes these thoughts have been around forever and I never understood it. It seems it happens as soon as a sims goes in to use the toilet or shower. No matter that half the sims on the lot are fine in those areas or that there are other open bathrooms nope they just plain hate whomever is in the bathroom at the moment.  ::)

My teens haven't had any acne since the base game. I thought maybe Maxis took it out or something.

Even though I'm a huge fan of BYU, I don't use it in every household. Those lots with only one or two Sims who have a limited budget aren't allowed such luxuries, just so I can see what kind of interesting things they will do, such as playing pirate in the tub. (I know BYU is cheap, but I like to torture at least some of my Sims).

So is it really BYU that is stopping my teens from having zits? I noticed that my stinkier Sims don't bathe as often as neater Sims even with BYU in the house, yet still haven't seen any acne.

My teens get acne sometimes (dunno in Seasons, haven't played that much yet, but everything before that). I don't use BUY.

BUY does indeed do a good job preventing zits, not because of any inherent cheat built into it, but simply because it will aggressively fight the causes. Sims for some reason have a poor understanding of how to fight those. They seem to believe slathering some kind of useless "cream" is supposed to fix it, which it never does, even after 8 or 9 shots. No, in real life, the way you get rid of those is you lance them, then cut them off with a knife.

LUXURY?!? Terlet paper is a LUXURY now? What are you proposing instead, going back to leaves?

I try to avoid the BUY shuffle by careful configuration. Generally I like to make private bathrooms for each resdient's bedroom, with the door locked to the owning sim and the BUY configured to reject visitors (just in case they're daft enough to consider trying to use it).

Then downstairs I have a simple water closet with just a toilet and (maybe) sink plus a BUY. The BUY showering rationale is inconvenient when mulitple visitors are present. Who cares if a visitor stinks? I don't -- though in real life I might not invite them again ... I expect my guests to freshen up before they leave home! If a visitor is invited to spend the night then I have to make sure that a bathroom is unlcoked for them but that is all, and is no more inconvenient than in real life where it is just good manners to show a guest their bathroom and where to find the clean towels.

I found the original thread from over a year ago: Don't hate me because I have to pee... (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,1001.0.html)

Hmm. Then, as now, the mystery appears to remain unsolved. I again cannot find any apparent explanation. Exactly what moment in the bathroom process does it occur? Terleting? Showering? The moment they take the throne, or the moment they begin to approach it? Does it affect those who pee standing up, or only those who sit? Specific terlets or showers? What is everyone else doing? What things do you have installed (noroutefail? Does installing it stop this?) More information is needed about how this occurs.

Shot in the dark here:

Could it possibly have something to do with which language or which country's version? I have the US version...and while bathrooms are wildly popular with my sims, I have NEVER seen that thought bubble, no less a swarm of them.

Note: I'm not running BUY.

::::shrug::::

No, I have the US version, and I see them.

I also have the US version


There was a thread even before that one, too, somewhere. My own quote from that thread (it's like deja vu! lol) :


As far as what the other sims are doing when they produce those thought bubbles, they'll be doing just about anything. Even playing pool. And the thought bubbles pop up because of showering or using the toilet, but not when a sim is playing redhands in the bathroom. :P

I don't have noroutefail installed. 

I think sims always take a shower if they're not already wearing their everyday wear.

That's one reason the sleepclock queues BUY after they wake up, as a convenient way to change them into their everyday clothes upon awakening. 

I'll check this out too. Last night I happened to notice a whole family cluster getting pissed off about someone in the bathroom, guests and pet included. I use BUY and noroutefail. I've always had the issue.

This probably doesn't help, but...

I broke down and bought Life Stories to be able to play on my laptop, and I noticed those thought bubbles, too. It doesn't happen all the time. I think I noticed it when there were guests on the lot. I remember thinking at the time, so Life Stories sims also hate bathroom users.

Yep.  The best kind is poison ivy.

the sims hate everything in the bathroom, my sims constantly contemplating how much they hate the ghostbuster wallhanging i put in the bathroom. they even dream about it every night until i remove it from the bathroom.

Dont' know if it can help, but I noticed another detail.
Sometimes, a sim heads to the bathroom (wc icon shown) while it's already occupied. In some cases, the sim will not attempt to search for another available bathroom, as it usually does, but will remain instead right in front of the door continuously trying to launch the toilet interaction "use". In that case, no thought bubbles at all.

But as soon as I click on another bathroom to send the sim there, then he pops up that thought bubble, not before.

I watched my Sims a little bit more closely and it seems as though the hatred only occurs if the Sim with the thought bubble is idle or is in transit to an activity. I never saw it on Sims who were actively involved in an interaction (preparing a meal, reading a book, fishing, etc.) but if a Sim was on his/her way to do something (getting on a school bus, walking up the stairs to go to bed, heading to the pool table, that sort of thing), I'd almost always see it. It seems like it's part of their thought bubble repertoire, like how they think of their aspirations or who they just wohooed.