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The Ottomas family in Seasons is broken. As some people already noticed, when the mother gives birth, the babies get Patricia Wan as the father (or other random sims in other neighbourhoods. Apparently even dogs!). I also have this problem, but my problem goes further... The mother never gives birth to the second baby but resets after going through the labour motions. I never had the option to name the first baby, either.

Debug mode comes up with the following errors:

"Missing neighbour for data access" both for the mother and the first baby (guess that than makes them have the wrong father) and
"Required cinematic actor is missing" for the mother during the second birth. Error logs are attached (although not all error logs seem to have been produced, and one seems to be a duplicate).

Does anyone have any ideas, especially about finishing the birth?

I hope someone can find a solution for this quickly. I've played that family the most so far, they are my farming-country bumpkins. I put some animals in the barn and had big plans for them.

Okay, I worked out why I couldn't give birth properly. The culprit was the new Seasons version of TwoJeffs Age Duration Hack. Once I took that out, there were no errors anymore and both babies arrived normally and could be named. I of course forgot to check who their father was, though  :-[ I'm guessing it is still Patricia, but I will go and have a look in a minute.

*off to TwoJeffs thread first to report*


Edit: Yep, Patricia is still the "father". Oh well.

This is basically an unresolveable problem. What happens is that when the game crude-splices this family into your neighborhood, it doesn't correct the token data. Therefore, while in the template hood, the pregnancy token contained the correct NID, when they're added to your neighborhood, they get new NIDs. As a result, the NID of the father from the old neighborhood now belongs to an arbitrary sim instead.

They're basically irreversibly corrupt, and you should use either the rollback technique or blank templates.

  ???  Please could somebody explain what those are   :-[
I guess the alternative is to leave them unplayed in the lotbin.

Or use the Insimenator or SimPe (when it's updated) to fix the parentage.

Is it okay that one of my families offspring is friends with one of their daughters?

I dunno. I was tempted to wait until Insiminator or SimPE is updated but from what JM said about them being irreversibly corrupt I'm not sure if I want to try. I'm definitely not awesome enough to repair character files. I wouldn't even begin to know how to use the rollback or blank template techniques. I'd also hate to find that there was something else FUBARed with the Ottomas. I'm finding myself leaning toward a tragic family death. They could be the first residents of my Riverblossom Hills Cemetery.  ;D

Field reports say SimPE functions mostly as-is, unless you're doing something really esoteric I haven't heard of yet. Fixing the parentage won't be doable until after the baby exists, however, which means the genetics are already FUBAR'ed.

I'd say the best way to "fix" the problem is to try "Deleted 2".

Thanks - I can manage deleted 2!  I don't have and don't want Insim.
It'll be interesting to see what kind of fix Maxis come up with for this one ...... if any...

Don't want to go through the process of fixing the character files, so...

- What happens if you let the twins be born but never have them reproduce, is this still bad for the game?

- Can I kill them off once they reach childhood, and continue to play the rest of the family?

- Can I get rid of the pregnancy all together with SimPE or someother program (not the Kitten/Puppy kliler) so she never gives birth?

- If I can't do any of the above and have to move them back to the sim bin, does it matter that they've already interacted with other sims?

thanks

I've found that Sims exiled to the bin eventually disappear from the radar screen.  I've had two large families sitting in the bin since last year (created by a houseguest who will not be invited back).  A few times the kids came home from school with my Sim kids, but the minute they got off the bus they were asked to leave.  Their activitiy has ceased now and I don't even seem them as townies. 

Of course, I have tons of my own playables so perhaps that has something to do with it. 

Allowing them to be born will already do the damage due to their corrupted pregnancy token, yes.

See above.

Yes, if they haven't given birth, you can abort the pregnancy and they should be clean from there.

You can fix them with the Pets version of Simpe. I waited until they were toddlers, and then went in. You have to open the neighborhood manually, since it won't show up in neighborhood browser, obviously, but once it's open, everything is like in any other neighborhood.

Thanks.

You can't fix it after it's been born. If that happens, it already has spawned a host of garbaged memories and want trees.

So time is of the essence and you have to do something before Sam Ottomas gives birth. What would be the best (and easiest for the technologically challenged) program for deleting/aborting Sam Ottomas' messed up pregnancy? I'm not familiar with Insiminator and I haven't used SimPE for a pregnancy. I wish there was a simple "Miscarry the demon spawn" hack.

Or would it be better to kill her off before the twins are born? Would I need to keep her tombstone somewhere or can I delete it?

I suppose I should have this added to the lot debugger.

That would be wonderful. Thanks Pescado!  ;D

So what about those of us who allowed the sim to have the twins before we read this thread? I would say that Cabelle is more tech able than I am.  Do I just play until the game crashes, then uninstall and put back my pre-pets backup? 

You'll find that the lot debugger has just been updated.  No idea if it has the terminate pregnancy option, or it's something else.  But I thought I'd give you a heads up in the absence of any town criers.

I'd recommend rolling back to your most recent neighborhood backup now. No sense putting all that work into the neighborhood to just have it explode later on. If you made a backup right before installing Seasons then you've only lost a couple days of work. It's what I would be doing now if I'd played until the twins were born.

Thanks Ness, I'll go give the debugger a try.

Eh, I never play a neighborhood long enough for it go kaplooie. I get bored and reset the neighborhood.  :) And I know from before I discovered the awesome, it usually takes more than 1 thing like this to mess it up, anyway. I did all sorts of VBT's (like moving occupied lots to other neighborhoods!) and the worst that ever happened to my game was an occasional lot going all bonkers and even then, rarely did I lose the family, just the lot. I'm not suggesting everyone ignore Pes, but weigh the risks.  ;) OTOH, I don't get very attached to my Sims -only the lot.  I hate to lose a well-built lot! I usually remember to send the lots into the houses bin and back before moving anyone in, so I have a clean copy. If the neighborhood explodes, it explodes.  :D

Of course, if I'd known that Sharla was going to grow up to inherit her grandmother's cheeks, I'd have killed off the entire family!  ;)

The insimenator that was put out for pets works to abort the pregnancy immediately. I placed the Ottomas on an empty lot and spawned the insimenator and clicked abort pregnancy  the abortion was instantaneous. Mrs.Ottomas retunred to her non pregnant state and her normal everyday outfit. If She hasn't been allowed to give birth will this cure  the borked pregnancy token? as obviously I don't want my neighborhood I have worked hard on to explode.

Good answers people, but y'all assume:

1) I know how to reset a neighborhood (have never done that before).  Is it possible to only reset one neighborhood?

2) I have a backup of my Sims2 but I haven't the foggiest idea of the steps to put it back into place.

Feel free to p.m. me the detailed steps.   :-[

I've sent you a PM Rho. I hope it helps.  :)

I downloaded the updated lot debugger. I'm not finding the option to delete the glitched pregnancy though.  :-\

You'll find it in debug mode. I tried it on Samantha and got a bit of weirdness. Apparently it deleted her pregnancy token but.... She did not lose her pregnant body and she had the option to try for baby. I thought maybe she was just stuck like that for some odd reason, so I let her try for baby with her husband. I got the lullaby and then almost immediately, she got out of bed and gave birth... to ONE demon spawn...lol  Apparently the debugger only got rid of ONE of the twins.  :-\  Needless to say I exited without saving. Then for the first time in my life, I downloaded the insimenator, and did what Banglenuts did.  Now the demon spawn are gone and she's properly impregnated by her husband.

Thanks to Cabelle and another simming buddy, I have my neighborhood reset. 

I really, really don't want to download inseminator to fix Sam's pregnancy. 

Me either and SimPe won't let me open up the neighborhood memory browser to delete the pregancy token, etc.

ACR has a morning after pill if it is within the first 24 hours after conception. Also, either ACR or Insim have the miscarriage thing, if the motives get too low in the first 24 hours, there's a chance the sim will miscarry. I had that couple of times because I wasn't watching carefully.

I tried debug mode first and had the same issue occur 1 demon spawn was born,I too exited without saving and then used the insimenator to abort. now she is not pregnant according to the ACR pregnancy scanner  and she lost her pregnant body as soon as the abortion with insimenator was done.Stupid EA and their borked genetics :P

I had the same problem with the current release version. I downloaded the latest QA version of SimPE and was able to edit the neighborhood memory file just fine. She still waddled and other Sims still had the "rub belly" options but I had her get knocked up again and she was reset back to the invisible pregnancy state.

What probably happened that the pregnancy controller was still active on the lot, and when you created a new pregbaby, it immediately spawned. Check that it has the correct parentage?

Well, after she had the one twin, the father did not get the had baby memory. So I made the baby selectable and it did not show Peter as the father. As a matter of fact, it didn't show anyone as being the father. Also before having her try for baby when she still looked pregnant there was still no option to abort the pregnancy on the lot debugger. So yes, I believe it was a leftover demon spawn. lol

Not absent by choice -- couldn't get into the damn site all day yesterday....  >:(

(grumble, grumble, grumble)

Actually, miscarriage is a function of InTeen.

Man ive been searching for this so called "deleted 2" for ages.  I assume its a way to delete sims out of the sims bin?  Can someone point me in the right direction?

Deleted 2: Electric Boogaloo (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,6205.0.html).

Where did you get the QA (Seasons) version of SimPE? Site says I have to be a member of the QA program in order to download it.

all you have to do is sign up for the QA group and submit it usually doessn't take long to be accepted

Can you fix the problem completely in SimPE?

What do you have to do?
1. delete the pregnancy token in her memory
2. change her body state to not pregnant in Sim description on the "Other" tab
3. ?????

There is another place where you have to change the #of babies count from 2 to 0, I believe.

I just installed the Insim. Obj. (removing all other hacks) and used the Reproductive Adjustor to get rid of the pregnancy. She reverted to a none-pregnancy state right away and I was able to get her pregnant again the same day. I uninstalled the Insim. obj. when I was done. It was simple and done in 1 minute.

She gave birth to twins (thanks to TwoJeff's Mutlti-birth hack) and the father is who it should be.

I didn't have any problem nuking the pregnancy with the new lot debugger. I did it right when she was waving at me due to give birth, because that's where I had saved in my backup. She reverted to non-pregnant state and I made her pregnant by the father, then forced twins and sped up the pregnancy. She gave birth only a few hours after and the babies had the right father.

I just found out about this today.  I downloaded the obj version on InSIM and changed the father's ID to her husband.  She had healthy twins whose father is correct.  After their birth,  I shut the game down and removed InSIM.  Even though InSIM is not updated, it also doesn't break anything.  Just use it then delete it.

If the only "corruption" is that the twins think Patrician Wan is their other parent, I think I'll just leave my family as is (having already birthed the twins and let them come to toddlerhood before I realized who their "daddy" was).  It'll just be one of those wonderful little things that can happen in Sim-world but not the real world.  Maybe Patricia's backstory will be that she had a sex change operation, but spawned little Otto and Olivia upon Samantha Ottomas first. ;-)

If I had known THIS was going to happen:


(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k52/TinaG13/snapshot_52f31411_32faac79.jpg)

Instead of going through all the hassel of aborting the brats and then re-impregnating the mom, I may have planned a nice family tragedy as an alternative...lol!  These are two of the most butt-ugly toddlers I've ever seen. Actually almost worse than Malcolm Landgrabb's spawn!  One transitioned bald and the other with the almost bald hairstyle. Giving them some hair didn't help a whole bunch.  :o

*screams in terror* Looks like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way to the ground.  :o
 

*Shudders and joins Cabelle in screaming

I am so glad that I broke down and got the insiminator object. 

LOL!  I got the insimenator long enough to un-do EA's mess too. The mistake I made was re-impregnating Sam with Peter. The demon spawn of 'whoever' were most likely a better-looking pair!  :D  At this rate, I think the rest of the family will remain barren.

It would be interesting to see what kind of abomination you'd get by breeding these two with the therapist.

It's that "winning" smile that's really evil.  I've got one with a huge jaw and I think she's got an even bigger mouth...  Poor girl takes after her Dad - there's a reason he wears a full beard!  I never meant to let him breed, but the mum's family were desperate for grandchildren.  I put a picture on TSR  since I can't figure out enough html to insert a pic here. http://www.thesimsresource.com/screenshots/view.php?id=66272

Wow. New levels of ugly.

I'm impressed.

Thank God that mine are boys--maybe they will look more normal.  If not,they will get plastic surgery.

Only if you want to blow up your neighborhood.
Did you read the suggestions above?

Hello, I recently installed Seasons and I let the Ottomas family have twins in Riverblossom Hills.

The problem is that the mother was Patricia Wan...so I had the twins get taken away by the social worker and adopted by someone else to remove them from the Ottomas and Wan family trees.

So my question with this is...is my Riverblossom Hills still going to be messed up or did removing the twins from the family trees fix the glitch?

Also, I accidently moved the Ottomas family into a house in Veronaville...if I kill the pregnant woman before she gives birth, will my neighborhood be glitch free?

The key was that with SimPE or InSim, it doesn't matter if the kids have been born.


No.

I ended up killing the entire Ottomas family as soon as I placed them on an empty lot Samantha being the first to die while pregnant . Was this okay to do this or will my neighborhood still be borked? If so what in the world can I do to save my custom neighborhood? Help please!
 :-[

Unless I've really misunderstood somethiing & please correct me if I'm wrong - the only borked things are the family tree and genetics of the kids.  They don't affect anything else in the hood - the hood is not ruined/spoiled/borked/whatever. EDIT And this kind of data problem in one hood, doesn't have any effect on any other hood.  Neighborhoods are completely separate.

 It's not that big a deal having a messed up family tree - just live with it if you don't want to fix it with the tools available.  It's probably unwise to let the kids breed later on if you have a dog in the family tree, but otherwise just live with their non-family genetic make up.   If you aren't going to fix them with SimPE/Insim, then leave them alone.  Messing about trying to fix things when you don't know what you are doing usually causes a bigger mess than you had in the first place.  Messing about when you think you know what you are doing, can be even more dangerous!  We all learn that the hard way.  You can kill them if you want, but don't delete them in the lot bin.  Deleting Sims is not simple and doing it badly causes the sort of mess that gives toddlers woohoo wants.  Just don't do it unless you are prepared to learn more than you ever wanted to know about SimPE and game data.


Should be in the directors cut for the seasons.  You should read the FAQs at the top of the forum
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,7437.0.html
You DL the whole lot and pick out the one(s) you want - I think it's ffslotdebugger

The full  beard is a lot less effort than plastic surgery!

I let mine be born. I did fix their family ties with SimPe, but otherwise, I don't really care. I only did that because it always bothers me when kids who are only born from one adult in the house act as if the other adult isn't even there, and vice versa.  Breeding sims with dog DNA might make some odd things happen (ROFL, too bad mine were "fathered" by Patricia Wang, because I'd love to see that!  :D I wouldn't mind possibly having to reset the neighborhood if THAT made it explode, just to let them breed and see the results  ;) ) but otherwise, this won't have any affect on the neighborhood. Just calm down and play.

I aged the sim up to elder to abort the pregnancy then back down to adult.

I just zorched the whole famn damily out of the Sim Bin. Never played them. They never had a lot or house.

Problem solved?

Not really.  You've got a lot of stray junk in your 'hood files now.

Better to get SaraMK's empty template which keeps them from getting created in the first place.

Oh YEY. *sigh*

Mine get generic "be snuggled" wants to account for the other parent if they dont' live with both. If neither is the parent, they'll spawn wants for a relative if there is one (if they're living with an uncle, for example) or normal ones like they'd been adopted if they don't live with any relatives. I have a lot of children that don't live with their parents. My sims have some... issues <lol>

The empty templates don't help if you already have a populated hood and save it for the new EP. It was my understanding you didn't get (too much?) junk if you deleted from the simbin immediately and they had no memories and whatnot? I don't really want them, they're an ugly family, but might place them and make them townies and ignore them if deleting them out of the bin isn't an option (I'm simPE phobic).

Are you kidding? This is GREAT! Kids which only recognize one parent don't have annoying wants pertaining to those other people and instead want skillpoints and less poking and prodding.

Thing is, whatever junk there is relating to them is now pointing at nothing which is a VBT even if it is a very small VBT.  I'm not sure when the SWAF file (wants and fears) gets created, but if there is one it needs to be deleted in SimPE or it'll mess up the next sim using that character number.  That's how toddlers get adult wants.

Here's an easy solution, people:

If you don't want to play them, don't.
Leave them in the simbin forever if you don't want to or can't follow the deleting procedures that were mentioned by JM and other awesome people.
Deleting them in any other manner is not good.

Question:  doesn't Theos sims deleter plugin resolve the issue? ??? (i do not know if it's working in simpe QA version)

I uninstalled and reinstalled Seasons, removed 0001, ignored Riverblossom, 0002 and 0003 completely, let the game restore those hoods, put the DNA fix files in, and the Ottomas family, etc. are back to default Maxis settings and the Ottomases are still in the SimBin. As for 0002 and 0003, haven't messed with them since. If / when I ever play the borked family, I'll zorch the pregnancy per thread suggestions. Should that resolve the issue?

Sim-bin sims have been known to "escape". This is not entirely reliable to keep them contained. You DO have to address the issue of fixing them sooner or later, or they will cause damage at some point.

They go walkabout! which would be kinda fun if it didn't drive you insane with ooky sims.

Also I'd actually like more info on the question about when SWAF are generated. If later, it would be safe to delete a completely brandnew/no memory sim from the bin. And also, I think it's kinda funny when toddlers get adult wants, so I'm not too sure I care about that either, unless it leads to a real BFBVFS.

(JM occasionally seems to get all excited and holler 'borked game' and stuff and people take that to mean their game will die when it's really just something like 'the genetics of the poor little darlings are not exactly as intended' as in this case. Having Patricia Wan set as the father isn't going to blow up the neighborhood.)

Though I'd like to know how it works, I actually solved the problem for myself by using the empty templates so these abominations never ended up in my bin at all (and Pets as well - tho for some odd reason the Katz family survived the purge :p). At the time I asked, I'd thought you had to use the empties before creating a hood - silly of me, you can put the new one in anytime before playing the hood after installing.

That depends on how much damage you're willing to accept. I consider any such data corruption to be unacceptable.

Well as I found them ugly and boring little things, no matter who was their father (and the rest of the family, worse), I wasn't willing to accept them at all. But it'd take a great deal more than two ugly and wrong-fathered/born on the wrong side of the blanket kiddos to convince me to delete a neighborhood I cared about.

People take you very seriously.

I'm sorry...but I don't understand why you folks are so worked up over these FUGLY PEOPLE!!!  Did you LOOK at the parents?  These poor ugly babies is exactly what I would expect.  I've never taken this horrible family out of the bin and I think now, after reading all this, I'll most likely kill them.

Well you obviously haven't read all posts, so perhaps you should re-read the whole thread.

I'd be reaching for the backup file in that case. I mean, you DO have a backup file, right? You pretty much have to have one before you install an expansion.

But frankly, having defective crud in your neighborhood and persisting purely because of sentiment is not a good recipe for long-term success, as rather than initiating immediate recovery and cleanup, you just thrash your files more and when your indiscretions catch up with you, your neighborhood truly will be unsalvageable.

Re: "ugly" children

The Ottomas-Wan twins in my game turned out quite nice, as did Samantha's sixth child (by Peter this time).  Much better than of poor Malcolm Laandgrabb's offspring.

I've noticed all the toddlers are a tad odd-looking since Seasons, but they grow up just fine.

Besides, having Sims who are uniformly "beautiful" isn't appealing to me, as my beauty has never been of the physical variety.

Pes, you are so funny.

Of course I have a backup - before and after install. (and inbetweens, but that's beside the point.) And if the missing parent of the twins had come up as a pet or something, I'd probably go back to a backup, even if I lost something as I have absolutely no idea what pet genetics would do. But I don't see how having Patricia Wan set as the father (or some random male or female sim in my own neighborhood) is going to cause long-term problems. I regularly have gay sims have children, some of them even from affairs, and so have a female 'father' that is not the person living with the mother (with the help of Two Jeffs hacks) and haven't seen it break anything yet. What are the long-term consequences?

The thing that bothers me about the borked genetics (even though I don't have Seasons yet) is that EAxis fucked up - it's the principle of the thing. Even if it doesn't cause a BFBVFS, it's still messed up and it *shouldn't* have happened in the first place. Stupid EA.

He he... these two have not improved with age as of yet.

(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k52/TinaG13/snapshot_52f31411_b306e464.jpg)

Aww .. they're precious :-)  If Thing 1 still has those chipmunk cheeks as a teen, try a different hairdo or some skillfully applied make-up -- just like real life ;-)

Once I got Seasons and realised the bloody Ottomas family was in every neighbourhood, I rushed off to get SarahMK's blank template for the new hidden sub-hood.  As I had only just set up my two new neighbourhoods just before Seasons came, I was waiting for Pescado's ok on the no-respawn hacks (and to reinstall them) before I went back in to them (the new neighbourhoods were completely clean a la Jordi/SarahMK).  What I found - to my considerable relief - was that the untouched new hoods didn't generate the Ottomas family (or the other one) with the blank template hood in place.  I thought they might generate on install of the EP but they don't generate until you enter the hood - at least with pre-existing neighbourhoods.  I haven't tried with a new hood and, frankly, nothing on Earth would induce me to remove SarahMK's blank template for Seasons. 

I too had Patricia Wan as the "father" when Samatha gave birth.  The thing that pissed me off is the kids looked like her, I wouldn't have minded who the parents were but I had already done a replacement on the Ottomas family so they'd have cute kids and lo and behold, here they come with black hair and blue eyes.  I used SimPE to fix the family relationships, making sure to go through all the memories, the dead relatives included.  Everything went fine until one of the twins went to college and Patricia was the one to take them there.  When I went back into SimPE, all the memories of the birth of THAT twin were  back throughout the Wan family.  I didn't save the boy's growth, I just closed out of the game, fixed the family tree again, removed all the memories then made sure to just place the twins with existing families on campus and made sure NO parent was present when they entered college.  It's worked fine now.  Peter is the father, Samantha is the mother and no one in the Ottomas family knows who Patricia Wan is... ::)

Hello, I'm new here (doesn't excuse the necromancy I've just been accused of, but hey  ;)).
This problem has just happened for me yesterday. I only noticed it today though, when I saw that one of my sims, Josef, had the Ottomas twins as his grandkids and his child-aged daughter as their 'father'.
I read through this thread, but I don't really understand how to fix it. I don't trust myself to fiddle around with programs I don't know how to use in order to fix it, and I don't want to nuke the neighbourhood to fix it, either. I made a back-up the yesterday (I think), but I don't remember if that was before the twins were born. Other than that, I haven't made any back-ups in years - very naughty of me, I know, I know. Any suggestions? In eejit terms, thanks. :P

You should download the seasons patch before playing the family that will fix it.

Sadly I've already played on the family and the twins have been born - anything I can do now to salvage it? I have no idea how to use SimPE and I don't trust myself to download it and fiddle around with it. I suppose I could just get the back-up and see if they have been born in that. Thanks anyway.

Once the twins are born, you can use SimPE to change the family tree but you can't change the genetics.  (They probably look better if Peter is not their dad, though -- he makes UGLY babies!).  If you can't use SimPE, you're just out of luck, I'm afraid.

Couldn't they use Insim? You can remove family ties with Insim and then reset them to the right family member. Easy enough for those who are too terrified of Simpe, there is very little they could actually get confused about, especially if they use Insim object edition because then they could just use the relationship object and would only be fooling around with the options related to the relationships.

Oh, I didn't know Insim could do that -- have never used it.

Yes, I'm afraid I've never used SimePE and I'm too scared to try it. What is the worst thing that could happen whilst using it? Is it possible to actually make your games unreadable or something equally terrible? If not, I might consider it. :p

Insiminator is very easy to use, is it? Is there anything I could do on it that would potentially annihilate my game? Thank you, I'll see about that.

Before making changes to your game with any kind of editor, it's always advisable to make a back-up in case something doesn't go well.  Yes, you could mess up your neighborhoods or characters, but if you've made a back-up, you're in good shape.

SimPE has gotten easier and easier to use over the years, in my opinion. Still, it can be a bit overwhelming if you don't feel confident in your ability to pick up and use unfamiliar software.  Based on your questions, I don't think I'd recommend that you use it.

Doesn't TJ's Simblender do this as well?

Yes, it does. I use the SimBlender a lot to set up my jerked over townie families. Dayuma's quadruplet siblings are actually the genetic children of her and her grandfather and born of her body, yet they show properly as siblings using the Blender. The grandfather doesn't show properly on their tree due to the fact that they have no parents, for all purposes.  The Valerios....Walter is genetically the parent of his brother Nicolas, who was co-fathered by Flint Kitamura. But with the Blender, severed ties to Flint so that he doesn't show as family and Walter shows as a sibling.

And so on and so forth...a good 1/4 of my families wouldn't be possible without liberal use of Inge's teleporter cat and TJ's SimBlender. Plus, Free Love household group marriage had issues with half the relationships not posting over as marriages. Fixed now.

Changing relationships with SimPE is easier than it looks. I used to do it that way all the time, but it's so much quicker to use the Blender if I don't have anything else that requires SimPE at the time.

I've never used SimBlender, either.  Once I started using SimPE, that was it.

I switched from Insim to SimBlender during the ZOMG!!Insim-takeover!!11 episode.  I like SimPE, but I like the ability to make 'in-game' changes that the 'blender permits, without all that exit game, start SimPE, modify, save, start game, realize I forgot something, curse, rinse, repeat thing.

Oh boy, do I hear you on that one!

Thanks for all your help, I fixed the family tree using InSim. The memories are still wrong, but hey, I don't think there's anything I can do about that. :p :) At least one thing's sorted out.

Let's see ... I've played the Ottomases (or Ottomi? Can someone confirm which it is?) in three neighborhoods.

- In one both twins were born without errors, though they had another Sim in the nhood as the "father" (originally an NPC waitress). And, of all things, Daddymom has the "marry off 6 kids" LTW, so the twins would fulfill that — if I let them live.

- Before that, I decided to test out the screwup with the father of the twins in another neighborhood. I didn't get as far as I had hoped because I got error messages before either came. Unfortunately I didn't record what the error was, and I think I just ended up deleting Sam altogether. Is that okay? The nhood either has been deleted or could very easily be if needed.

- I put them down in a third nhood but the twins haven't been born there.

How bad can it really get if I don't do anything? Where have I already messed up? And what should I do now?

(Yes, I've read the whole post. I just want to make clear what I might have missed or misunderstood, since I do both rather easily when it comes to technology)

Subject:  Ottomas family in Seasons - normal brokenness and more brokenness

Need I say more?   

It would be helpful, if you'd actually like to go for it.

I don't know how the title does anything for Ottomases vs. Ottomi. "Ottomas family" is a method of avoiding the predicament but that's not what I was looking for, if you noticed.

As I've stated, I've read the whole post. So I know that some people have problems that they'd like resolved. I don't know if they are having the same issues I am. Sometimes people have issues (i.e. autism) that get in the way of proper cognition when things aren't stated in a certain way.

I asked a question. I'd like an answer. You have absolutely no obligation to give an answer to my question, which you seem to be well aware of, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like an answer.

Are you autistic? Do you have a special sister, by any chance?

It seems logical to me that it would be "Ottomases" but ok, you're ready to do the whole autism thing. By the way, regardless if you were looking for the correct way of typing it... I'm still unconvinced that you "read the whole post" because if you had, you'd find the answers to your questions in it. Though it's quite possible you "read the whole post" and not the "whole thread" which is how that's said. You're excused though. Autism card, let me show you it.

There hasn't been any true diagnosis, but I've been told by some people that I seemed like I could be, and I've also read things for myself and I believe those people could be right.


No. I'm afraid I don't even know what a special sister is  :-\ PM me if you'd like to explain because this thread is off-track enough as it is.


I don't know what the rule is. I think most of the words in English with plurals ending in "-i" are either Latin or Greek, and I don't even know what the etymology of "Ottomas" is. I thought I saw someone use "Ottomi" in another thread, perhaps another forum, even. The truth is, I guess I really don't care and it doesn't make any difference to me, so I'm sorry if I gave you grief with it.


"Whole post" is painfully ambiguous, so if you'd assumed I meant "whole thread" you were correct.

I've been under quite a bit of stress lately (read the thread I started not long ago) and so that's been just throwing me off altogether. I'll reread the whole thread and if I still don't get after that, we can talk about it then.

(Thank you, BTW, for the correction)


That whole rant was my gross overreaction to what you said, which wasn't mean in the slightest and didn't warrant that kind of response. I am rather volatile, especially when I feel even slightly insulted, whether as a part of the autism or not.

As I said I'll reread the thread. My apologies for my words before.

You should have patched Seasons by now, all of the hacks here, and most of everyone else's hacks, assume that you are patched and up to date. In the hood in which you haven't played the Ottomas family, the patch will fix them and you will be fine.

Is there a way to check if I've patched? I think I patched for Seasons and I will do so for the rest, I don't know why I didn't earlier.

If I have indeed patched I know it was before playing the Ottomas family of scenario #3, after playing scenario #1, and who-knows-when in relations to scenario #2. Ihave played all the Ottomas families mentioned, sorry if that wasn't clear.

I can't remember if the parent is listed on conception or at birth...

Just try to patch, it won't let you if you have already, it will also stop if it hits a no-cd.

One of the tricks I use is that I don't even overwrite the original executable. I just plop the noCD executable in as SimsEPx.NoCD.exe, and aim my shortcuts there instead, seeing as you have to edit it anyway to ditch the launcher. Then you don't jam any patch processes.

All patched, but I have one question: Does Deluxe come with the NL and/or Uni patches? It told me I don't have NL, and Uni was  the only one I got a "U NEED THE CD" message for, and I don't have the CD on hand.

I do know that the 'Specially packed' games are odd.  I have the Sims2 Holiday Edition for my base game and every time I re-install, my Univ EP always comes up as patched, even tho all the rest of the EP's patch just fine.

My guess is that EA included the patch for Uni, then, even for those who don't have it. Deluxe might have the patch for NL, and according to the page for that patch, the fixes for Uni are included as well.

I haven't had problems with any of the fixes listed on the Uni patch page so I think this is rather likely.