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Hi all I dont like the new furious thingy as they seem to get into fights more easily and make enemys more easily BAH I hate fights and dont like to have enemys either. Need a mod that stops this????

I like the Furious state myself.  I always thought it was a bit boring that if Sims act autonomously, i.e. you leave them alone or have them interacting in the background on community lots, 90% of the time they built relationships until everyone like everyone else.  Maxis may have gone overboard in how easy it is for Sims to make enemies on their own, but it's still something I like.

What I don't like is that if Alfred tries to flirt with Betty, and Betty rejects it but Betty's husband Charlie sees this, Charlie is furious at Betty.  That's just wrong.  So far I've only seen the old autonomous flirts, i.e. the Cow Mascot and the Professors, but people here have said they've seen Sims flirt on their own.

In any case, I can understand how you feel, and if it's possible to remove it, no doubt some modder will do so.  This may not be the right place to ask, though.  Pescado generally doesn't do cuddly mods like that.  A man after my own heart.

 - Gus

I'm kind of half and half on it but as time goes on I'm leaning more towards being annoyed by it. I like the idea in principle, but I think they went way overboard with it. Someone joy buzzing someone else really shouldn't lead to multiple fist fights and a huge vendetta.  :P

I think part of the problem too is that a lot of those townies are mean as shit.

This makes no sense. It will definitely be investigated.

I have a family with 4 kids 2 girls and 2 boys, the older boy is a child with max neat points, he was furious with his younger brother who is a toddler because he was playing in the toilet and he was cleaning the floor.
I don't need the kids to hate each other.

See, now there's something cool. :P

I hate kids with max neat points all he does is clean all day.
Well I wish my kids where that way.

That's awfully annoying, but equally annoying are family members of old lovers getting upset over seeing my sim and her date, after said old lover has married another woman and had children.

Seriously, she woohooed with him back in college and as long as they never explicitly wrecked the "love" state of their relationship (I've never seen one just fade away, it has to be broken), she's supposed to remain faithful to him?  Even after he's married someone else?

Pescado, you may be happy to know the furious sims will much more often walk by and kick over their enemies trash cans. I've also seen them steal someone's newspaper lol. And they'll do these things at all hours of the night. Had a sim walk by to steal her enemies newspaper at just after 2am, then 20 minutes later she kicked over their trash can, then sometime not long after that (between 3 and 4; I wasn't looking at the sidewalk at that point) she came by yet again and kicked it over again.

I want to see the flaming bag of poo left on the doorstep LOL

Sibling rivalry .. sounds pretty natural to me.

That sounds far more interesting than the wussy 100/100. Hatred is a natural emotion. Trust in it.  :)

For that you need to have a horrible date. I got it once so far.

I love the furious state..it makes sims more emotional..more lifelike in a way.  I agree at times it is a little *too* easy and they get pissed at each other for stupid stuff but at the same time it's more interesting than everybody loving each other even after multiple negative interactions.

I am still trying to figure out though what has led to the fact that family members can now hate their sister's/brother's/child's/ect spouse for no apparent reason.
 
One of my sims moved back in with her father after uni...she invited her fiance over.  Whenever her dad saw them kissing or getting the love bubbles for each other over their heads he glared at them with negative socials over his head.  I checked his relationship panel and sure enough his relationship had declined to negative numbers with both his daughter and son in law to be.  They all live together now and it is quite interesting lol but I don't get the reason why this happened.  Old William has the option to apologize to his daughter but nobody would even know what he is apologizing for heh

Maybe this is a similar coding to the furious state - quite a lot of my sims have started getting -30/-30's to a complete stranger for befriending enemies. In this case it makes no sense...  ::)

Probably mad because she was making out with someone he didn't have a friendly relationship with.

Hmm..becoming enemies for befriending enemies..guess that could make sense.  Sourta like real life in some ways...you don't generally like people who hang out with people you hate..or maybe that's just me lol

But that wouldn't work in this scenerio b/c William had never met his daughter's fiance before.  He and his daughter had a 100/100 relationship before the incident(s) occured. 

Not complaining..just curious.  I like little things like this..keeps gameplay interesting.  Just as long as it doesn't start happening with every family.

They've got jealousy programmed into the game.  Maybe the old man is just plain jealous of the to-be son-in-law, which would be a normal reaction of most human fathers about their daughters.

Oh it was an adult-teen relationship, but the thing was that the stranger was a nephew.(?) At least family should have some leeway.

I think that's just you. I find this to be a convenient source of intelligence on my enemies.

i too find nice sims quite boring. furious state seems to be making relationships a lot more challenging and funny, makes me wanna dash out and buy NL right away! but maybe i'll wait longer, at least know bout all the bugs and fixes

It is too easy for them to get furious it either should be toned down or turned off. As someone said there shouldnt be enemys in the direct family cousions maybe.

From the sound of things, it looks like its way too easy to make too many enemies and maybe way too easy to go on successful dates? I'm hoping that an update of the romancemod will eventually deal with this. Not that I want dates to be super hard or impossibly challenging, but they shouldn't be super easy that you can pretty much get good ones all the time. And on the flip side, although it is more interesting now to have rivals and enemies or whatever, it seems almost ridiculously out of control according to the accounts I've been reading about. People just don't really have that many enemies in real life. Or if they do, they may not even be aware of it, or too aware of it, depending on the case.  ::)

Anyway, I don't know if this would be possible to mod, but it seems like it needs to be toned down just a tad. Or... maybe the romancemod would hopefully lessen this effect, since some if not most of these conflicts have to do with the attraction system and/or slap happy fests due to the ridiculousness of Sims jealousy. I really miss how that was fixed especially when it came to children and to non officially committed relationships. Just gotta hold out a couple more weeks... :P

Ste

I can confirm this. I had to try it a few times before I realized what was really happening, but yes, he/she was furious with the wrong person.

Can I get an AMEN? (OK, maybe not)

I created my kids in-game and let them see exactly how they act. The were slightly disturbed as these characatures of them made messes that drew flies and green stink. :P

All I ever get is a stinky letter.

 :D That's too funny!  I've never thought of that - will have to give it a try.  I always tell my kids they're slobs but they just tell me I'm nagging.

Hmm. I personally like this furious state. But there seem to be a few problems, as I observed in my "stick 8 sims on a lot with no needs to worry about except social, and make them all bi" experiment.

Just as a way for me to keep it all straight, the problems are: (in no particular order)

1. Sims get mad at their SO, not the person flirting with the SO. Ideally, a sim should become furious only at the sim initiating the action. That way, a sim will get ticked at anyone who tries to muscle in on their SO, but only get mad at the SO if they start going astray.

2. "Furious" should replace the "knock X points off relationship" jealousy system, since that was really an abstraction of the same phenomena, and the "furious" setting models it better. That would also cut down on the Insta-Enemy incidents, since although being furious unlocks most of the negative social interactions, there would be further to fall.

3. Furious states tend to feed on themselves, because a sim can be furious at someone for beating them up. I'm not sure that this is a good thing, since once they're that ticked off at a sim, all the nasty socials are available anyway, so all you get is a sim who is more or less permanently in a state of newspaper stealage.

4. I like the "furious at someone because they're friends with my enemy" bit, but as Pescado pointed out, it's not exactly universal. Perhaps meaner sims should be less likely to get furious over this, and the threshold should be lowered for Knowledge sims, because unless they're really nice, they just don't care.

5. The family member (and perhaps friend, haven't checked) "furious for cheating on my homie" thing needs to check for engaged/married to another sim. If sim A and sim B are in love, but Sim B is engaged/married to Sim C, family members of sim B shouldn't care if Sim A is dating someone else.

6. Sims are way too possessive about crushes. Seems to me that sims shouldn't ever get furious at a crush for dating someone else, but they should get furious at the person that sim is dating.

Sim Jealousy has never made sense.  I just wait for the Romance mod to get updated.  Until then, I just ignore it.    :P

Yeah, I just had that happen now.  The Cow comes into the Greek House and pushes and grosses out Gregory.  Gregory has a history with the Cow, so he's at -70 / -40 at this point.  Then the Cow flirts with Gregory, which pisses off his girlfriend Tina who is the same room.  Of course Gregory doesn't accept it, he hates the Cow's guts, but Tina slaps Gregory and her relationship with him drops into the negative range, she falls out of love, and she's furious with him.

Now I can either spend time repairing a relationship that should never have been damaged in the first place or I can reload from the last save game.  You can't really ignore Sim jealousy with NPCs like the Cow around.

 - Gus

I like the furious state to a degree, but its kind of a pain when you are downtown (or wherever) with two sims on a date trying to get their groove on and people in the club keep fighting and interrupting the actions of your datees. I have a feeling as more and more sims start to hate each other it will be next to impossible to have a good date when they are constantly stopping to watch two sims beat the snot out of each other every few seconds. It would be nice if like the fire mod that once a pair of sims have seen a set of other sims fight they wont be so inclined to rush back over and watch again and again...and again.

My sim influenced one of his lovers to kiss his other lover (who incidentally were both eachother's lovers) and it made him furious at one of them. I wish the jealousy/fury was better implemented.

This game is just screaming for a shiny new Romance Mod! Until then, my married couples can't flirt with each other in front of their grown children if the spouse isn't the "child's" parent. "I know your mother is Brandi Broke, but that was a fling, I tell you! A fling!"  All the old pre-romance mod complaints are back, it seems. One of my sims attempted to "leap into arms" of a married sim she had an affair with. He rejected her (I adjusted his feelings toward her to be neutral, not love), but the child still was furious with his father, and the relationship went from 100/100 to something ridiculously small. In the single digits.

I like the furious thing in that it makes the game a bit more realistic. People hold grudges in real life, after all. And it was irritating how two sims could be in a knock-down drag-out fight, then immediately want to play "punch you punch me" with each other (presumably re-enacting the actual fight for kicks?).

I'm also getting a little tired of seeing the "furious" expression with the clenched fists at every idle second. That gets old really fast.

I created all my kids too (my entire family actually) and was really amazed at how much they really acted like us.

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Yeah, I'm just beginning to see this.  Two townies that I never really interact with were furious on my last date, and my couple kept cancelling their kissing in order to watch.

One of my elder Sims apparently started a vendetta with one of the Nightlife Townies while I was doing stuff with other households.  She's at -100 / -80 with him, and she got this Want:


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One of my YA's, a Family-oriented sim at that, went to the defense of one of his college friends who was being pulverized by another college townie.  His first reaction was to shove the sim who was beating up on his friend.  In the end, the two ended up in a brawl with my YA winning the match. ;D  I just sat back in my chair and watched the entire scenario develop, laughing and hooting with my kids screaming at me to be quiet!

That's too funny, Gus!

Yes it maybe funny but getting into a fight at the dropof a hat will not do.

I've never seen them rush to someone's aid, is this new in Nightlife?

One of my sims has one of those drinking wants too. He wants to drink the headmaster, for reasons quite unknown to me. Somehow, I doubt if he does that his grandaughter will get into private school. ;)

I always thought it was funny how two sims would become enemies, then spring up wants to either drink the other sim or see his ghost. Or both! Talk about revenge!

 I just had that happen tonight, one of my sims and a downtownie got into a feud, ended up furious with each other (they actually hd a brawl which my sim lost :() and then my sim rolled up a want to see the annoying downtownie's ghost.

I've enver seen the behavior before NL, but then again I haven't seen nearly as many fights either.  My YA was just finishing up eating and he usually cleans up his plate, but this time he left it there and went right to the action.

In college I end up disabling the lot jealously with the insiminator so there would not be any fights as with this romance thing they end up fall in love all the time.

Yep, definitely need a new Romance Mod.  I'm thinking a new prank mod will be needed as well - didn't somebody have one pre-NL?  Pranks were kind of a pain before, but now that a fist fight breaks out as the result of a water balloon...Sims are just way too sensitive! 

Bah - wouldn't you want to beat the crap out of some total stranger if they threw a water balloon in your face?  It's reality and it spices up the game. ;)

My sims have a sense of humor about water balloons, so far. But flirt with their uncle's best friend's cousin's 2nd wife, and you're in for it!

I agree. I must be the minority. I like the furious system, I like the grilled cheese aspiration, and I really don't have any annoyances with the game. Then again, if I had unfaithful sims in my 'hood, I would probably have anoyances.

Well maxis really just called them water ballons. The same way they called the bong a bubble blower, woo hoo for vanilla and freaky sex, the energizer for crystal meth, etc.

In reality that is a condom filled with warming liquid they are throwing.

Someone put something in your froot loops this morning, right?  ;)

Not in my game it isn't.

I think the furious Sims make the game more interesting.  I agree that they can be a pain when you send your Sim downtown, especially if they are a Romance Sim.  My Don Lothario, who has woohooed every single Sim in Pleasantview, cannot go downtown without getting slapped around.  He definitely can't date in public either.  There's always another flame around when he does.

I had created a female Sim to check out the vamp teeth option in Body Shop and then imported her and started working on her house.  I decided I wanted her to be a vampire after all.  I invited Don over (he is my only playable vampire) after she had a bad date with JoeBlowSim.  (I'm trying so hard for the flaming poo.)

That night the bad date stole her newspaper and then showed a few hours later and kept playing ring and run.  With Metrola's Mind Control Mirror I selected Don to see if I could make him scare the date away.  When I clicked on the furious pranker there was an option to pay him off.  When you do he doesn't promise that he will leave her alone, just leave her alone for the time being.

The surprises keep coming with the furious ones.

I like the furious ones, to a point.  I had this guy Larry who was in love at UNI (He graduated before I installed NL) with Rachel.  Rachel liked another YA, Mathew, and was kissing Mathew on a Uni-community Lot when Larry just happened to materialize and smack the crap out of her.  Now that I have NL, Larry is furious with Rachel.  I played him for a week of Sim-days, and he still thinks about her with the flaming though-balloons.  She showed up on his lot one night, out of the blue, and I thought he was going to have a heart attack!  He ran outside and acted like he wanted to slap her, so I told him to just ask her to leave.  He did, then crossed his arms and watched her go, flames still shooting out of his head.  I even fixed him up with another Sim.  She just wants to marry him and have his baby, but he can't get Rachel out of his mind. He can be making out with the new girlfriend and think of Rachel. 

It's a little spooky and realistic, actually. I'm playing the game and yelling at him, "Good Greif, get over her, already!!"  LOL LOL

I admit to liking the furious state when it is an acceptable consequence, but I've already seen that state come about for the wrong reasons. For instance, like someone else said, the neat kid got angry at the toddler for playing in the toilet. Something similar happened with my neat sim and his girlfriend. I wanted to see how pranking sims your sims is friends/lovers with is, and so I had him water balloon his girlfriend. They had a great laugh about it, but he was suddenly furious with her and I had no idea why. I think it's because of the puddles that appeared after he hit her with the balloon. It struck me as odd that he'd be furious with her as a result of something he did.

I haven't had them get mad for silly reasons like that, and am not looking forward to that one.  But another good use of the furious Sims is to have a Sim fall out of love and/or lose a crush with the other Sim.  (I've had 0/0 relationship points because it was so long since an old Sim affair, but darn if they didn't still have the hearts.)  But with the furious actions the pink and red hearts disappear.  Also since the furious state only last through a certain time period, to me it's easy enough to get them furious at the other, lose the love relationship and then over time make up but keep it as friends.

One of the problems is townies and npcs are so darn RUDE. Once Remington the maid was hanging out at the house and he started poking and insulting one of my sims for no reason! This was BEFORE NL, by the way. after a while they became enemites, and I decided to make them fight, since Remington seriously deserved to get his butt kicked (which is what happened, twice). I let the gardener hang out one day too and she started poking and insulting the same sim Remington hated, but I sent her away. Neither sim has been allowed to hang out at the house since.

After getting NL I sent one family to the lot, and a townie sim started poking an insulting THAT SAME SIM (but I couldn't control him as he wasn't in the family I was playing). They eventually got into a fight. My sim won again. He's the most kick-butt elder I have (but I'm not saying it's cause he's black or anything LOL).

What I'm getting at is, townies need to be nicer. I'm sick of them coming up to my sims and acting like jerks and causing problems. I don't mind that sims get mad at each other, it makes the game more interesting. But I would like it if it didn't happen to the extent it's happening now. An occasional fight is fine, but when certain townies go around making enemies with everyone there's a problem.



I disagree to some extent. In real life when I had a crush and found out he was dating someone else, I was ticked off at HIM, not his date. But that's just me :)

I agree with everything else you said tho.

Something I found weird was when I had an adult swim clean the fish tank (which put a puddle of water on the floor) her father upstairs became FURIOUS with her, while he was woohooing with his wife. I mean, if I was having sex with my husband and mu grown daughter cleaned a fish tank and got some water on the gorund I wouldn't immediately get out and become furious with her. That doesn't make any sense. It's funny if it's siblings, but I think that was a dumb reason to get angry.

Dumb reason to stop woohooing, too.  :P Fishtank birthcontrol.

It's not only jealousy or rejection that causes fury: One of my Uni YAs was on a dinner date.  His mother walked in (who should have been at home tending to her twin toddlers) and I swear there was steam coming out of her ears when she saw them.  The negative signs were coming off her head as fast as popcorn popping.

Of course, part of her problem could have been that her son's dinner date was Nanny Poppins, a live-in nanny I created and who lived with them for a time before going off to another nanny job.  Maybe it was the age difference that bothered her? 

Sigh.  Guess they won't be hiring Nanny Poppins to help out with those todders...

I have a rather amusing scenario going on connected with this which I'm really enjoying seeing unfold.  It involves Heather Huffington, former Greek Sorority member.  The game had her set as Romance, I changed her to Fortune (well, swopped her with Brittany Upsnott basically) and now I've made her Pleasure. 

Before I installed NL, she married someone she knew vaguely at Uni, although he left long before her so was quite a lot older.  He's a Knowledge Sim and totally different to Heather - in fact, they're total opposites.  Opposites, of course, attract (although I've noticed the new attraction system doesn't allow for this AT ALL) and they ended-up together.  Once I installed the expansion, things deteriorated fast as far as Jerome was concerned.  Everytime Heather had a shower, he became angry with her to the point where he was in the low 60s in both daily & lifetime, although Heather was obliviously still on 100/100.  At first they had no lightning strikes, but did develop one after a while (presumably due to them being married). 

They had a newborn baby when I installed the expansion, although Heather was totally disinterested in her even before her aspiration change.  While I was playing someone else's lot, they were ipart of a group outing which included Heather and her husband and Heather's husband's dead father's widow, Andrea Ruben (not his mother).  In the group was also Heather's old college crush, Castor Nova (nothing like the game arranging things to fit!).  Jerome's brother William was also in the group.  The only other member I can remember is Beau Broke (now an elder), who for some reason appears in almost every group outing.

Heather deliberately flirted with Castor twice, although there was no response from her husband or Andrea, as they were in another room playing snooker.  William, however, saw everything and stormed-up very angrily, immediately dropping to -100/-100 with Heather (who he had one, maybe two lightning strikes for).  He's Romance, by the way.  Castor then succumbed and held hands with Heather, just at the point where Jerome and Andrea came out of the snooker room.  You can guess the rest. 

Heather now lives alone Downtown.  Everytime she went on a date, her ex was there hanging around, although once he stopped being furious with her he stopped appearing.  William also kept making an appearance, constantly poking Heather and shoving her.  Then everything changed.  Although William was still around -30/-30 towards her, he walked up to her out of the blue (while she was on a first date with Don Lothario) and hugged her.  Then he hugged her again ... and again.  Since then, he keeps turning-up on her dates and doing this.  He now has 3 lightning strikes for her (and for no one else) and it's only a matter of time as their relationship is positive again now. 

I found it quite intriguing to watch how all this occurred, especially the way William deliberately set about changing his relationship with Heather because he had realised how much he fancied her - in other words, his loyalty to his brother has taken second place to his lust.  You just can't trust a Romance Sim.  Can't wait to see how their first date goes ...

Ancient Sim, that is a GREAT story!  I was so entertained.  Man, I wish I had more time for game playing.  I am so bummed that I didn't really get to play on Sunday because I was trying to restore my backup sims.  :-P

C

Here I am again, this time with a real poser.

I have this Romance Sim, Martha.  In her late teens she had her Very First WooHoo with another teen (quite a lot younger), namely Henry Broke, son of Robert Broke (the child Brandi was pregnant with at the start).  This was a casual woo-hoo courtesy of TwoJeffs' mod (they'd only just met) and they weren't friends at the end of it.  Martha went off to college and while there met and fell in love with Spankideli Broke, son of Dustin & Angela and cousin of Henry.  She had no contact whatsoever with Henry whilst at college.  When she left, she went back to her former home with Spankideli (her parents were both dead).  A short while later, while visiting the neighbourhood bordello, she woo-hooed with Henry again a couple of times  (still a teen but slightly older) on one of Lizzlove's woo-hoo beds, resulting in them falling in love.  She hasn't seen him or spoken to him again since.  After this point, I installed Nightlife.

Today, Spankideli took Martha out to dinner on an official date.  All was going very well (despite Mrs Crumplebottom's constant attempts to ruin things) when suddenly Vincent Broke appeared out of nowhere wanting to slap both Spankideli and Martha.  Vincent is Brandi's son to Vince Walter the headmaster, so is half-uncle if you like to Spankideli and Henry.  He had never met either of his nephews, nor Martha.  In the end, he and Spankideli had a fight, which unfortunately Spankideli lost (probably due to the Fight Mod, Spankideli was below average in fitness and hasn't a great number of body points).  Spankideli went from not knowing Vincent at all to being well in the minus against him and furious with him.  Vincent, on the other hand, isn't furious against Spankideli or Martha. 

I could only assume that Vincent was angry (or whatever he was) because he considered Martha & Spankideli were betraying Henry, but I checked in SimPE and he has no memories pertaining to any relationship between Martha & Henry.  The only memories he has of any of them are the usual telepathic ones of his nephews growing up well and so on.  There is absolutely no other connection between Vincent and these three that could possibly have caused this.

Apart from the fact that I am totally puzzled as to what the problem was (I do wish there was some way of finding out - it isn't jealousy, because there is a fight token "Don't mess with a love rival" or something and Spankideli doesn't have that, not that he is a rival anyway) there is also the ridiculous situation here of Vincent being angry at Spankideli, who had done nothing wrong!  Presumably the Romance Mod would ensure that in a situation like this, Vincent would only be angry with Martha, because it's ludicrous that he fought with Spankideli like that, especially as they're related.  In reality, he would have taken him to one side and said "Now, about your girlfriend ...". 

After they got home I changed Martha's aspiration to Popularity.  She's never really been a proper Romance Sim and has never woo-hooed with anyone else except at the bordello.  I also did this because Spankideli wants to get engaged and Martha got pregnant after their second woo-hoo in the photobooth (which Vincent was totally enraged about).  I am going to remove the hearts with Henry, which would never have been there anyway if I hadn't been using the Inteenimater.  As things stand now, there can't be a romantic relationship between Martha & Henry anymore so the hearts shouldn't be there.  It's silly anyway, Henry is still only 18 and Martha is 29.  Not sure if removing the hearts will make any difference if they meet-up with Vincent again, but hopefully it should. 

I do wish I knew more about what causes these furious feelings - well, not furious really as Vincent wasn't furious, I don't know what he was, defending Henry, I suppose.  The only furious ones were Spankideli & Martha.  I find it really hard to work this one out with Vincent not having any memories of anything between Martha & Henry.  I suppose it's down to them being stored somewhere inaccessible again, such as the objects.package file.  It's all very confusing.

I'm sure I'll get to dig into this when I finally get the game.

What is the "don't mess with a love rival" token for, anyone know?
I'm also having problems making sense of this whole furious thing. Simpe doesn't give any clues in the memory editor, as far as I can tell. But I have a lot of sims who have the red film over the portraits of others, and I can't trace it back to anything. Out of a pair of teen brothers, one is furious with his cousin (I guess for messing with his half-sister, who is dating another cousin-on his side, of course), but the other brother is fine with it. Both were witnesses to the event. Besides, the cousin didn't do anything wrong, anyway. The half-sister flirted with him, which is more of lack of romance mod issue. I'm constantly trying to patch these kinds of relationships up, and most of the time I  don't know what's wrong in the first place.

I think tokens are used to keep track of whether rivalry has been resolved somehow. So, a "don't mess with romantic rival" would probably keep track of when to stop doing romantic rival socials.

I have no idea what can set off a furious state (aside from cheating - but even that doesn't seem consistent) and it's driving me nuts.

Kaylynn's son Kevin suddenly became furious at one of his triplet brothers - I forget which (at the time, all of Kaylynn's four boys were children) for no reason I could see.  In fact the only reason I knew Kevin was furious was that I had Gametips on at the time and it popped up to tell me that one of my sims was furious at the other.

All I know is that they were in the bathroom at the time, and I know Kevin is a neat freak so was wondering if sloppy sims making a mess could set off a neat sim?

In a word, yes.  Heather Huffington has 1 neat point and her husband had 9.  Everytime she had a shower he was furious with her, to the point where he was down to 62/62 (Heather, oblivious, was still on 100/100).  I think I mentioned it earlier, in my first l-o-n-g post not far up from this one.  Sniff, you didn't read it, sniff. 

I'm quite fond of the fighting, but it hasn't reached extreme levels like some have reported here.
All I can remember once is right before my sim drove off home from a dance club, and a fight had broken out on the dance floor. Made me lol, seems like normal nightlife to me.

The furious state I've only seen once, when I sent a husband to check out a vase of flowers that had arrived for his wife.... It was from a dream date she had while he was at home taking care of the baby. The relationship level dropped from 100 to the 10s-20s, and I was kinda disappointed when a few kisses and hugs from him to her repaired the relationship so quickly.

Yeah the "don't mess with romantic rival" thing happens after your sim clobbers a rival totally in a fight, it means that they will never ever be a romantic rival to that sim again.

Oops.  Daily Idiot = Me.

I think there's a certain amount of randomness to what triggers a Furious state, just to keep things interesting. :P

I think Maxis are sort of encouraging the furious state.  Has anyone noticed that the visitors who make-up these group outings Sims get invited to are definitely not randomly-arranged? 

I've had several that have clearly been deliberately arranged to cause maximum damage. one which I've mentioned earlier.  I had two more of them yesterday.  First of all a female Romance Sim was invited out by her secret lover and father of her equally secret lovechild, Adrian Lothario (son of Don).  When she arrived, not only was Adrian there, also Don (who she fancies just as much but hasn't had a relationship with ... yet), Adrian's half-sister (OK so far) ... then we get Adrian's fiancee, another secret lover of Adrian's and a token guest who didn't seem to fit in anywhere (there is always at least one of those).  Luckily, nothing untoward happened on this occasion.

I then went to the lot where my two vampires live and one of them was invited out, this time by a female friend of hers.  When she arrived, the female friend was accompanied by Adrian Lothario again (yet another of his secret lovers), Don Lothario (also this girl's lover and father of her daughter), the girl's roommate (the girl's lover and also Don Lothario's lover, not to mention also the mother of his daughter), a townie who is in love with the roommate ... I think that's all the relevant ones.  The inevitable happened and Don decided to goose the inviter's roommate.  This trashes her relationship with her roommate and also with the townie.  It also badly affects Don & Adrian's relationship and the only reason for that was because Adrian must have assumed Don was being unfaithful to Dina, who has been dead around 20 years.  I exited out without saving so I could remove the "I am married to Dina" entry in SimPE (grrrrrrrrrrr at the stupidity of that).

Amyway, the point is these outings must be arranged deliberately to provoke this kind of thing, because there is no way they're random.  OK, it keeps you on your toes, but without the Romance Mod it's a nightmare.  A son falling out with his father because he pinched a woman on her bum two decades after his mother died?!

I agree, it is almost impossible to play romance sims with this new furious system, and lack of romance mod. I've had to resort to using the Insiminator to turn off lot jealousy, which I hate to do. But it's ridiculous that Joe and Brandi Broke's grown-up sons get furious with him when they see him flirting with his long-time wife. Joe and Brandi were never married to begin with, and...well, you know. I don't need to go into exactly how little sense it makes. I'm spending the whole game patching up relationships now.

Ah yes..I noticed this quite soon after getting the game.

Logic would tell you not to bring 6 of your lovers together on a group outing, no?

When I first got the game one of my sims got one of those random calls "hey you wanna hang out downtown".  It was her baby daddy lol so I figured why not.

Our subjects are Ricky..who has woohooed most of  the current generation in the neighborhood but has been rather successful at keeping it all on the down low and Joy..who has done the same thing as Ricky..disaster waiting to happen.

 They all arrive downtown and 8 sims climb out of  the little junk car (hilarious in and of itself or maybe I just find it hilarious b/c it takes me back to my teenage years "Let's see how many people we can fit into a geo metro!  ;) ) Anyways...Ricky and Joy get out...along with 6 of Ricky's lovers.  Oh good lawd.  Somebody decides to perform a romantic interaction and all hell breaks loose.

The love/crush thing has been pissing me off in general since installing NL. 

YA and adult...heck even teent sims need a system where a little pink or red heart doesn't cause sim life altering anger.  It makes taking your sim out on multiple dates with multiple sims almost pointless in a way.

Since this post is already long I'll elaborate on my pipe dream

Engaged/ married sims obviously get furious if they catch their partner cheating.  Makes sense and works.  But what about sims you just want to date around?  There should be an option where they can commit to one or more sims (if they choose to commit to more than one the jealousy thing can still happen between those who are committed)  If they aren't committed then other sims they are dating should not totally care if they see there date from last Friday on a date with somebody new this Friday...regardless of crush or love hearts in the relationship panel.  To make it slightly more realistic the relationship could take a small hit..maybe 5 points or so but nothing more.  Just like in real life scenerios if you have a crush on somebody it doesn't necessarily mean that you are exclusive to that person.  Same with love...you can love somebody and ummm yeah they might not love you back.  Crap happens.  That's the short version of my vision lol   To sum it up there needs to be more determining factors to a 'relationship' than those damned pink and red hearts.

And what is up with Bob catching Betty cheating with Joe...he walks up..smacks Betty around and is pissed at Joe as well..however the whole time Joe stands there and smiles..hell he might even wave at Bob...you were getting cheated on too dumbass.  I know I'd be wondering if my man had random women running up to him smacking him whenever I kissed him in public.

 

Something really entertaining about the new furious state.

Have a vampire piss off another vampire, make them furious and enemies.

Then you get to see the enemy vampire show up 5 or 6 times during the day, sneak over to the trash can, paper, etc, burning with the sun, and scream "AHHH THE SUN!!" and run away.

That is an ANGRY vampire to come cross town during the day to steal your newspaper.

One thing Ive never understood is why the sim who catches their love cheating is the one who has to apologise!

I'm quite liking the furious state though. I witnessed a hilarious (and quite inexplicable) series of violent fights between a virile young man and an elderly muslim lady that they chose to have whilst welcoming another sim family to the neighbourhood. The family moved out again shortly afterwards.  :)

This happened to Lilith Dreamer and will no doubt happen to Don Lothario next time I play his lot as both of them had fights with the Count and ended-up -100/-100 (in Don's case, they're enemiies).  What is odd is that the Count didn't bother trying to steal her newspaper during the night, whereas other Sims do. 

Lilith is a pain sometimes.  I really like her and will be sorry when she goes (she only has 3 or 4 days left, she's due to die at the age of 82) but she will insist on rubbing people up the wrong way.  One of her turn-ons is vampirism (I bet that was pre-arranged) and she fancied the Count, but insisted on picking arguments with him.  In fact, she does it with every man she fancies.  Maybe she thinks it'll turn them on or something.  She fancies Don too, but all she wants to do is argue with him.  So far she hasn't been able to get his attention, or all hell is likely to break loose.  The fight would probably last 24 hours because they're the two fittest and strongest Sims in my neighbourhood, as well as the two oldest.

Isn't that the inherent nature of Lilth? Lilith is a bitch, that's why we all think she's hilarious.

Make sure to turn her into a zombie when she dies.

I hate parting with any sim forever, so I condemn most of them to a souless life walking the earth pleading for death.

This seems to have changed somehow - Ryan caught his wife Kim woohooing another sim in his truck on a community lot.  When I went back to their house, he was of course furious, and wanted to beat her in a fight.  She wasn't mad at him at all, but had the option to apologise.  I didn't use it though - I let him fight her (he won) and they have since divorced. 

I have not seen the backwards furious for cheating at all. I have been tormenting a homeless woman by rewooing her every 3 days then letting her catch me cheating. Every time she has become furious with the cheater not the other way around. I have gotten the "fight" option each time though. I only whooped her ass for being nosey a few times.

The wierdest thing I had happen was one of my romance sims was out on a date.  She was involved with one of my husband's sims, Human.  Human's son was at the lot.  He has never seem this sim with Human.  He was furious everytime she kissed her date.  By the end of the date, they were enemies.  I am waiting to see what happens when my husband plays Human's house.  Will his son tell his dad that one of his lovers was cheating? 

This furious state is wild - It really kicks the game into high gear.  I've had lots of different episodes of angry sims, YA's at college in fist fights; townies in fist fights, over what, I don't know; siblings mad at each other; dates gone bad because some other prior date showed up and the slapping started so I had to buy them off just to have peace the rest of the night.  Yeash!

That was an interesting and entertaining thread. I think I will like the 'furious' state, and as soon as JM has had a chance to fix the romance weirdness, it should be quite entertaining. Even for me, because usually nothing really interesting ever happens in my game. I usually envy Ancient, Brynne et al for their wonderful entertaining playing episodes. I don't have the game yet, but it sounds like the pixel people have acquired more human tendencies.

They will wave! Bradley was busted by his wife, Dayna, for cheating. He was caught in the act, woohooing Monica (damn telepathy again. Dayna had no clue that they were all over each other in that room for quite some time, but as soon as they hit the sheets, she "knew"). Dayna burst into the room to slap Bradley, who was quickly getting out of bed. He slapped her back, then waved at her, turned to Monica and waved at her, as well. They both waved back. That was ridiculous. I'm looking for some drama, here!

And I'm going to complain once more about the constant ugly furious faces the sims make, now. Joe just got married for the third time, and shutterbug that I am, I had to take a full wedding album. I don't normally use the camera, I prefer to pose them myself so it looks more natural. But it seemed that there was always at least one sim in the picture wringing their hands or clenching their fists.

I had my Sim dating one playable character downtown and didn't notice an old flame of her date was on the lot.  Big time slap-fest, but my Sim wasn't furious at the other girl.

I spent some time getting their relationship up and currently they're at 100 daily and almost 30 lifetime.  The other Sim is still furious at my Sim, and checking with Merola's mind control mirror shows it still has about 1/3 of the time to go.  But I'll bet I can get them to best friend status while she's still furious!

Hint:  try using Cool Shades the first time you have your Sim apologize.  It gives a huge relationship bonus.  Subsequent uses of apologize, with or without Cool Shades give much less.  I didn't do this with my Sim, but I set up a test case to see what would happen and it was dramatic.

Oddly enough, the Mirror showed both my Sim and the other girl having the option to apologize. 

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Grr! My son made his own sim and flirted with a sim girl that was 3 days pregnant! I was so mad at him, and of course the husband was part of the "welcome wagon". LOL, he is still furious with her to this day!

I had to install no jealousy mostly due to the fact that Don insists on bringing Cassie,Dina,and Nina on all his outings plus a few other girls.  I control some of the rages by maxing everyone's interests--a lot of the fights are due to the fact that they don't agree on something.  I always thought that that was stupid--any normal person can talk to someone about something they aren't interested in.  I still have a lot of fights but it is usually due to pranks or someone trying to hug someone too early in the relationship.  These new emotions have really changed storylines.  When I finally got to the Pleasant's house, the parents were they only ones not in fury with each other.  Lilith went around fighting with everyone till she was -100/-100 with everyone.  She ranaway and when she came back I had to send everyone to their separate corners to study.  I would build the relationship up to 100 then someone would slap the other then it would go down again.  When it got time for the maid to stay,I wouldn't dare cause she and Daniel were in rage with each other cause Daniel kissed Mary Sue.  If I was a new player I would think Maxis was crazy because the stories  no longer matched the situations.  Going into the Goth house,  Cassie immediately attacked Don and they had already atomymously(???)broken up before I ever played them. 

I had an interesting experience with the Pleasants and their furiousness. Mary-Sue caught Daniel making out with the maid (surprise, surprise) and became furious with them. She proceded to slap Daniel, thus making him furious with her, and all was as it should be. Then the next day Mary-Sue came home from work while the two lovers were woohooing in bed, but she didn't seem to notice. I thought that maybe they had changed it in NL so that sims couldn't automatically tell whenever anyone was going at it on a lot, so I had her walk into the room while they were making out and still nothing. It was like once she was furious at her husband she didn't care enough about him (both scores were in the negative) to give a darn whether or not he went around sleeping with other people. Seemed kind of weird to me, but I had them break up just the same. :P

I like the new furious state except for one thing - the relationships improve way too fast.

I had two Sims become enemies (deliberately) after they got into a knock-down, drag out fist fight.

Their relationship got to -98/-98.  The next day, James wanted to apologize, but I never got him and the other Sim together - they had no interaction.  Within three Sim days *both* numbers were back in the positive!

I think an enemy should remain an enemy for a lot longer, unless some positive relationship-repair is undertaken.

Yup I noticed as well that this has seemingly changed in NL.  That's a plus.

This has been bugging me too. I had a situation where a wife flirted with another sim right in front of her husband and his family. The husband did the usual slappity-slap, the pink heart disappeared from his relationship status with her in the panel, and he immediately didn't seem to mind her continued romantic advances against the other sim. The rest of the family did mind, appropriately, although they would always make the sounds of approval directly after having a fit. I don't get that.

I read somewhere that once the relationship is trashed, they don't bother anymore.  Heather Huffington's ex-husband took to appearing everywhere whenever she had a date.  He would stand next to her and dance, grinning nauseatingly at her, or sit next to her at the dinner table, but he never batted an eyelid if anything romantic was occurring.  Once he lost his furiousness, he stopped appearing.  That's when his brother took over in an attempt to turn his relationship around because he fancies Heather like crazy, but I've already been into that one.

I'm of two minds on the furious thing.... sometimes it works out to an advantage, and it certainly spices things up.  But it goes way overboard, is inconsistent and produces some really strange behavior.  I'm to the point where I'm exceedingly annoyed with it.

Has anyone else noticed the "furious" sims coming over to the other sims house (the one they're furious with) uninvited, just walk in the house and stay.  Literally for hours and hours.  The other sim doesn't even have to be home.

When I first installed NL, Ajay Loner and Countess V had a nice friendship thing going on. Just a good ol' 100/100 relationship.   Nothing romantic on his part, no hearts, no flirting, etc.  Somehow the Countess ended up with a crush on him, even though there had been no flirting.  Naturally, she shows up while he's on a date with his current love, a townie named Felicia.  Countess rushes over and slaps the snot out of him.  Felicia is then mad at him now, too, for unexplicable reasons.  At that point Ajay bailed, since the date was about to end anyway.

Over the next three sim days the Countess would come by during the day and steal the paper or kick over the trash can, pull the "Ahhh, the sun, I must flee!" bit and leave.  As soon as the sun went down (and Ajay went to work) she'd show up at his house, just stroll on inside and plonk herself down on the couch.  Over the next 6 to 8 hours she'd just sit there with the burnination picture of Ajay popping up in her thought bubble.  What really made it interesting is that after the first day of this Felicia started showing up and doing the same damn thing.  Ajay would leave for work and the two women would show up, sit down on his couch and each one would sit there stewing with multiple burnination Ajay piccies in their thought bubbles.  Oddly enough, they never, ever conversed with one another- they'd just sit there next to each other for hours on end stewing and wouldn't leave until Ajay got home from work and asked them to.

Eventually he was able to get both relationships back on track, but not without a lot of work on my part.  And these were fortune sims!  I'm afraid to play any of the romance aspirations at this point- the offended sim may just show up at their house and *never* leave.

I've also noticed a weird one, was furious but that has died off, one of my sims saw two teen sims (not related unless its an aunt or uncle, but not sure on that one) and got mad (-points mad) at both of them, not sure why. very crumplebottom like, but with no purse slapping. Just thought it was odd. the kids were just eating dinner and holding hands and stuff.

I haven't seen the just come over and hang out behavior at all, and my game is a cesspool where I can't think of any sim that isn't furious with at least 3 other sims at the moment.

The crush thing is probably the bug mentioned in the patch thread. Some actions cause crushes to form for no reason. Supposed to be fixed with the patch.

I have Sims who barge right in without knocking, with or without the furious state. If I recall correctly, it's a "feature" of Sims with really high outgoing points. They don't stew for hours on the couch waiting to kick someone's ass, but they will just help themselves to the entertainment and food.

I'm playing the big house downtown, and it's fenced in. Daniel Pleasant was always on my lot. My sims would ask him to leave, and he'd come right back a couple of hours later. I'd zap him with the teleporter shrub, and he'd come back again. And again and again and again.  Inge's 4-key locking gates to the rescue! It's still annoying, though, because I always have one or two sims idling outside the gate. They leave when they reach bladder failure, but always come back, at all hours of the night. Many times I won't even know they're there until the message pops up that says "Look at the time!". Kind of creepy the way they're stalking my sims. 

Brynne. One word that will solve all your problems.

Murder.

Graveyard.

Or I guess you could always just put him in a pit and every day move a plate of food down there for him to eat. If he wants to hang out at your place let him hang out in a hole with no toilet on the brink of starving forever.

Ooooo fun with Daniel Pleasant! Actually, so far I've made him fat and of the Grilled Cheese aspiration. And got him fired from his job.

That's funny.   :D  I tried to kill a townie by flies by putting rotting plates in a closed room with him, but it didn't work.  I eventually got tired of torturing him and let him go.  Then he saw some yummy cake over by a big plant and became an energy drink.  His name was Joe Carr.  >:-)

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In one of my neighbourhoods Joe Carr married the spare to gen 2 of my legacy challenge, we;; ONE of the spares lol, there was 4 spares (3 of them still aren't dead although 2 are elders and the other should be an elder except he and his wife had 10 kids and I used elixer to keep them young). Anyway Joe died of old age fairly recently.

oh and you need to use piles of trash. They need to be able to step over the fly infested mess as that is what triggers the flies. They can't step over plates.

Alexander Goth's eldest grandchild turned teen today and as is my new 'tradition', I sent him downtown to check out the local talent (waste of time, as all the teens leave between 9 & 9.30 pm, which is when he got there ... we need a mod for this!).  Anyway, when he got home, he had this empty bubble indicating he was furious with someone.  At first I thought it was one of the ghosts, with it being empty, but it turned out to be his father's cousin, Aristotle Goth-Lothario.  As far as I knew, Barnaby hadn't even met him ... turned-out that the pee Barnaby mopped-up from outside the Crypt O'Night Club on his way home (he's a neat freak) was deposited there by Aristotle, whose memories showed he "Had an Accident".  Barnaby was so enraged he went right down to around -40/-40 and totally furious.  I do wonder whether the 'guilty party' is aware of what they've done when someone starts on them as a result of something like this (as Barnaby no doubt will if he ever meets Aristotle, which is more than likely as they're part of the same family, not to mention the fact that Barnaby only has 1 in Nice so won't take much persuading ... and Aristotle is one of the nicest Sims I've ever had and one of the most popular, not to mention hyper-sensitive).

That almost entirely doesn't make sense. Isn't that kind an unreasonable reaction? Are sims now doomed to throw a spaz everytime something breaks or is messed? Also, you seem to have a problem if your sims are peeing themselves. Maybe you need a bathroom uses you?

It seems like the neat freak sims are all like this now. They fly off the handle like Joan Crawford anytime there's any sort of mess ("I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the dirt!"). Even toddlers do it. I think I may have to start encouraging sloppiness a little bit now at least to get them down enough so they are not so obssessive compulsive.

But obsessive compulsive is fun! </sarcasm>

Neat freak sims were already obsessive compulsive. This is just icing on the cake. The way they eat, for example: "Cut food into roughly microscopic pieces, put one piece into mouth without allowing it to touch anything but the end of the fork, chew exactly 30 times, floss, repeat." Don't remember who I'm quoting that from, but it's an excellent one, and it's someone on here.

This was a community lot, not a home lot.  If I added bathroomusesyou I'd have to do it everytime I went in as nothing stays permanently and it would take forever to go into each lot in buy/build mode to add stuff.  I don't mind them getting irritated by this sort of thing (they would in real life - being 0 in Neat myself I know that from experience) and it certainly helps if you want a marriage or whatever to deteriorate, but when it's someone they've never met and they go down to almost -50/-50 (which means there is a strong chance of a fight next time they encounter that person) it's rather OTT.

I suppose it might make more sense in a relationship if the annoyance were to increase the more the guilty party messed-up, although there should be some way of them being able to improve their lack of neatness, which in the case of adults there isn't.  No matter how hard they might try (or not), Sims with lack of neatness are going to create pools of water after a shower, so telling them off is basically non-productive.

Strange, for me its quite the opposite. I mean, i don't know, its very strange i can't figure it out.
My sims seem to be furious for a longer time with someone if i keep then in touch. the more i interact the two the less that red layer will wear off. Its strange!!

Ludmila's boyfriend flirted with someone else in front of her, and she got furious with him, going to -90/-90!
it has passed almost two semesters and her red layer with him is not even in the middle, however it is almost over with the other girl he flirted. Also it is odd, because i kept them apologizing and interacting and her relationship score to him is now positive, but she is more than half-furious with him!!

This happens for all sims in my game that is furious with someone and keeps interacting with him.
I think the furious state actually wears off faster with they don't interact

I just started playing Veronaville for the first time after NL.  It is so cool.  It always annoyed me--the rift between the families--because nothing ever becomes of it.  Except Tybalt and Mercutio--but you have to tell them to fight.  Well, Consort was downtown with his new bimbo wife,and he just got done making out with her,when Isabella attact him.  It was so funny.  I think I'm going to like playing Veronaville better now.  They are even attracted to each other, which makes it even more fun.