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I just had Mortimer and Dina get married, with only Cassandra and Alexander sitting there and watching.  (used the same wedding arch that Cassandra tried to marry Don with)  And they both did that reaction of seeing a parent cheat on the other parent. 

Now I did the same thing a few times before NL and all they did was sit there and clap.  Because for all intents and purposes, Bella IS dead.  But now it seems they think she's still alive and still married to Mortimer.  Now their relationship with Morty is tanking and they don't like Dina worth a frick.

*sigh* Looks Like I'll have to keep their romantic escapades behind closed doors.

I had a sim and her children convinced that she was cheating on her dead husband. And this was pre Uni, so he was DEAD, foo'. But she was a family sim, so being unmarried was deeply disturbing to her.

I saw a post on the BBS a few hours ago, where when using the Matchmaker with Don Lothario, Bella had appeared as a "Dream Date". It could be the usual BBS-Bella lies, but maybe something in Bella's character file has changed post-Nightlife, which makes Cassandra and Alex think Mortimer is cheating. But the Goth's are quite strange; I brought Bella "back" a while ago in SimPE and remarried Bella and Mortimer. They were sleeping in bed together and Alex walked by to go to the bathroom, and started freaking out with "cheating" - though both were his parents and married.

Oh yeah right and Bella popped out of my ass just now. I'm calling bullshit on that one. Those twerps got nothing better to do but to make up lies about some video game character.  >:(

*edit: By the way, I just checked in SimPE and Bella's character in Pleasantview is unlinked. And this from doing fresh install of TS2 > Uni > NL recently and I haven't even touched Pleasantview once. So unless this person was doing some hacking around with the character files, I don't see how that would be possible.

Hehehehe.   :D

 - Gus

has anyone noticed that Bella is the only townie with make up on? not that it matters or anything..

Thanks, I thought as much but since I'm holding off on Nightlife I had no way to verify.

Actually quite a few of the new Nightlife downtownies have makeup on now. There's a number of elder downtownies too, which is also something that didn't exist before.

I think those townies were specifically created in BodyShop or CAS by Maxis and imported into the game with their NPC/Townie maker.  Makeup, costume makeup, facial hair, and stubble are still not included in a randomly generated sim, and for good reason.  Since the game already can't distinguish pleasing eye combinations, imagine if it was randomly applying make-up to the women!  And yet there are several downtownies that have these categories of stuff.  Well maybe not facial hair, but I've spotted a number of male downtownies with stubble.

The whole issue with the Goth family really annoyed me from the beginning.  So I used SimPE to export the family's templates to BodyShop.  I made new versions of each family member (except Alexander), set them to the ages they were in the Sims 1, and brought them in as a new family into the game.  I had the old Mortimer befriend the younger one, have him and his family move into the mansion, then moved out the old Goths and deleted them from the family bin.  Deleted all the tombstones too.

So I've been playing the new Goths with none of the Don Latherio intrigue or anything like that.  I got rid of all the other default playable households except for the Pleasants.  My Bella and Mortimer have had quite a nice life.  Mort is still a scientist.  Bella is a model.  Both are pretty close to turning into elders now.  Cassandra went through college and married another local rich boy (they have a daughter now).  Mort and Bella also had two sons in the game -- Nicholas (adult) and Jeffrey (teen) -- who are both FAR better looking than Alexander ever was!

wow, is this a new career track in NL?

Nightlife has no new careers.

Model is one of the stages of the showbizz career that comes with Uni. Of course, you probably will never see the first 6-8 levels of any Uni career because of the way Maxis coded it.

Although Jordi pointed out there's a model job in the showbiz career, I actually downloaded the modeling career from MTS2.  I had several households that I didn't want to touch until the issue of custom careers had been resolved because I didn't want sims to lose their existing jobs, but I heard from several people at custom careers weren't causing any conflicts, so I restored them to my game.

That makes sense. I was wondering why none of the downtownies are freakishly hideous like random generated townies tend to be. You should have seen some of the creatures University gave me. I had that surgery machine working overtime.

Well, I had a very funny experience tonight. I have just installed Nite-life and restarted all my neighbourhoods.  So I start with the Brokes, get them sorted, Brandi started out at the next to top job in the Catering career. Hired a nanny and moved here in.  Started playing with the teleporter bush, and saw Bella Goth listed as a townie. I thought it was a bit weird, anyway I moved her in. She had memories of Cassie getting left at the altar and Alexander getting A+. Got her to grab the paper and find her own place. I then moved her in with the family. Mortimer told her the marriage was over (wedding rings red xed) and asked about the rocket.

 Anyway I left the lot and saved it. When I went back in Bella was invisible, and I got the message to say that Bella had died on another lot. Sent Cassie straight to the Reserect-tron and called GR. Paid full amout to have her reserected. GR  obliged, and told me not to let her die again.  Bella and Morty are now engaged, funnily enough there relationship scores are 100/50, and I don't see how he got the option to propose, but he did.

Just wondered, what has Maxis done to make her a playable character?

Hmmm... I used SimPE and the teleport bush to bring Bella back (just long enough to kill her off and have a Bella-ghost floating around Alexander's replica Sims 1 Goth Manor).  Alexander tried to resurrect her but Grim said he didn't know anybody aside from Mortimer who had died.  Same deal with Alex's son Julius, who did have a 'Met Bella' memory because she held him once as a baby.

(Edit: This was all pre-Nightlife)

I might try it next time I go into Alex and Meadow's family again and see what happens.

I believe I remember MaxoidTom mentioning that some of the sims are now listed incorrectly.  Therefore I guess Bella is no longer an unlinked character meaning that you can now resurrect her with the grim phone.  If I find the post I'm thinking about I'll reference it here :)

When I moved Bella back, she and Alex had a high relationship, played redhands and tickled each other before he went to bed. Cassie and she had a good gossip, had expresso and had a meal together. I was really suprized that the relationship scores were as high as they were. Daily was at 100 before I left the lot.

Edited to say I have never used Simpe, and at I took one look at it and decided that I could only understand about half of it so I left it alone.

Oh god, don't get me started with the looks of my college crowd in the game.  :P

Honestly I'd swear the evil mascot was running around beating students with the ugly stick.

Wow, weird! I had noticed that certain previously unresurrectable dead (Ophelia Nigmos' parents, Lyla Grunt, Skip Broke, etc.) are now resurrectable but I didn't realize stuff could be done with the Pleasantview Bella now. I've seen "Bella clone" partying it up in the downtown Strangetown nightclubs. I wonder if she'll start wandering around like a regular townie or if you have to do certain stuff like the teleporter bush to get her to appear. Could she actually show up as a blind date from the matchmaker? Or will we see her in one of the nightclubs, spinning in that orb thing? I wonder if this means the BBS will be spammed more with Bella threads. *shudders* Should make for some really interesting game play. I'm still undecided as to whether I should leave her in permanent limbo or not.

Okay, just to stop all the dumbassed Bella rumors yet again (sheesh, this has been going on a for a year). Bella is still unlinked with Nightlife. They did nothing, either accidental or on purpose, to enable her character.

Don't believe me? Go have a look in SimPE.

I am going to treat that remark with the contempt it deserves.


 Yes Cabelle, I noticed that Cassie could have reserected most of the deceased in Pleasantveiw, and if you have noticed it in Strangetown I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that you can now move the graves. When you do that the ghost waves goodbye to the family before they depart, so THEY must have altered something.

And I'm supposed to care? Oh, sorry let me break out the tears.  :'(

 ::)

Actually, this is something that changed for Nightlife. "Linked" is now defined as Neighbor's Object Definition type (0x9) == 17 (not neighbor's person data Unlinked? (0xA5) == 0), so SimPE is not reliable in this case.

EDIT: Neighbor's Object Definition type (0x9) != 17 (read the code wrong) :P

Oh, so they did change it, Posy thought that she'd seen it somewhere in one of Maxoid Tom's posts. Now I have a dilema, do I re-marry them or have Bella go of and do her own thing?  Actually I may do both, as I have two playable games apart from my building one.

I just checked out Bella's character file, and her type = 2, so Bella is definitely not unlinked anymore.

I've just restarted Pleasantview.  I don't know what Bella's file was like before, but now she has an "I am Dead" token, but the "is Ghost" box isn't ticked.  Also, she had no relationship with Mortimer whatsoever and neither he, Cassandra or Alexander had the "Known Sim" box ticked.  If it's ticked, Bella immediately appears on their friends list.  If she's teleported into the Goth lot, she immediately walks into the house and behaves like any other guest.  The "I am Dead" token appears to do nothing on its own - I forgot to tick the "I am Dead" box for Mary-Sue when I added a death token (don't want that horrendous woman in my game again) and she was still alive when I went into the Pleasant house. 

Bella certainly had no memories in my game either now or before, I had to add them all when I brought her back the first time.  She has no personality either.  And I swear the first time there were two Bella files but this time there's only one.

STOP PRESS:  OK, I made a Sim in CAS with the exact profile of Bella, including adding the right turn-ons (this is in my brand-new Pleasantview).  He paid full price for a date and guess who he got?  His walk-by earlier on had been Mortimer, but they showed no signs of recognition, although Mortimer was rather preoccupied fighting with Komei Tellerman, who he'd made enemies with the night before.  Not sure it was a coincidence that Komei was the only member of the welcome wagon and his only enemy just happened to be on the same lot, but that's another story.

Anyway, when I made Mortimer selectable and got him to sit beside Bella on the settee to watch TV, she immediately got up and went to hold hands with my Sim.  She had no one in her relationship panel and her only memories were of Cassandra & Alexander getting A's (Cassandra is a teen now in my new Pleasantview).  They were in her family tree, but Mortimer wasn't.

So, it's not BBS bullshit, it really is happening (presumably those who don't believe BBS posters will believe me!).  Bella's file has definitely changed.  Although I can accept that they may have forgotten to tick the "Is Ghost" box on a character, the fact that it's Bella is way too suspicious.  Not only that, the fact that the "Known Sim" boxes are unticked for the live people and ticked for the dead ones is even more suspicious.  I think this is deliberate, purely so Bella will plop from the sky like this and make everyone go "Ooh!" and "Wow!" and "OMG".  They may even have chosen to have dates 'fall from the sky' purely for this reason, seeing as how that's the most likely way Bella would come back.  And the more I think about it, the more sure I am that Bella had two files in the original game, one greyed-out and one not.  As I've said before, it's time Maxis came clean about Bella.  Enquiring minds are fed-up to the back teeth of the whole thing and INSIST ON KNOWING.

I just took a peek at Bella in Sim PE my game has her unlinked and shows her only relations as being Cassie,Alexander and her parents and a sibling. old Mortimer does not even show up as a relative or even as Known by Bella. and the Ghost etc boxes were not ticked at all. I looked at Darleen Dreamer and it is ticked that she is a ghost. I never play pleasant view. I was just curious what Sim Pe had her listed as

I just took a peek at Bella in Sim PE my game has her unlinked and shows her only relations as being Cassie,Alexander and her parents and a sibling. old Mortimer does not even show up as a relative or even as Known by Bella. [/quote]

Ah, but he DOES!  They've done something to the files since Nightlife.  If you have the new SimPE, you'll see that all Sims known to the selected Sim are at the top, then all Sims unknown are below in the "Sim Pool".  Check out Bella & Mortimer's Sim Pools and you will see that each appears in the other - not greyed out and unalterable as all the others are, but totally editable.  They have 85/95 relationship towards each other and are ticked as "Family" and "Known".  No other boxes are ticked and they are not marked as "Spouses" or "Married".  This is the only time I have encountered a situation like this.

Something else peculiar, too.  As soon as my new guy greeted the Matchmaker and before he asked her for a blind date, I saved the game.  Everything that happened after that (including asking for the date before actually getting Bella) was not saved.  I then exited the game completely and went into SimPE to alter his turn-ons so he didn't get Bella again, then went back in and this time he got a downtownie.  I saved and exited again.  When I next checked Bella's file in SimPE, my new Sim was in her "Known Sims" panel with a 0/0 relationship.  Now, how is that possible when my Sim hadn't even asked for a date, let alone got Bella?  He certainly never met her any other way, unless she was on the downtown lot he took his second date to, because they can get 0/0 for people that way sometimes.  Or is the game saving stuff even if we don't? 

I also noticed that Don Lothario suddenly appeared on her "Known Sims" panel with a 0/0 relationship too, and he certainly hadn't met her, nor does he have any memories of meeting her previously because I removed them (well, I think there was only the one, about being rejected for make-out, no memory of actually meeting her).  Bella didn't appear on Don's Known Sims panel though, neither did she appear on my specially-created male Sim's.  I am beginning to think Bella was on a downtown lot and I didn't notice her - apparently others have seen her on them (in Pleasantview, not Strangetown) because there's no other explanation for them appearing in her "Known Sims" (perhaps I will add them back, maybe she'll call ...).  Maxis really are milking this.

Ah, but he DOES!  They've done something to the files since Nightlife.  If you have the new SimPE, you'll see that all Sims known to the selected Sim are at the top, then all Sims unknown are below in the "Sim Pool".  Check out Bella & Mortimer's Sim Pools and you will see that each appears in the other - not greyed out and unalterable as all the others are, but totally editable.  They have 85/95 relationship towards each other and are ticked as "Family" and "Known".  No other boxes are ticked and they are not marked as "Spouses" or "Married".  This is the only time I have encountered a situation like this.

Something else peculiar, too.  As soon as my new guy greeted the Matchmaker and before he asked her for a blind date, I saved the game.  Everything that happened after that (including asking for the date before actually getting Bella) was not saved.  I then exited the game completely and went into SimPE to alter his turn-ons so he didn't get Bella again, then went back in and this time he got a downtownie.  I saved and exited again.  When I next checked Bella's file in SimPE, my new Sim was in her "Known Sims" panel with a 0/0 relationship.  Now, how is that possible when my Sim hadn't even asked for a date, let alone got Bella?  He certainly never met her any other way, unless she was on the downtown lot he took his second date to, because they can get 0/0 for people that way sometimes.  Or is the game saving stuff even if we don't? 

I also noticed that Don Lothario suddenly appeared on her "Known Sims" panel with a 0/0 relationship too, and he certainly hadn't met her, nor does he have any memories of meeting her previously because I removed them (well, I think there was only the one, about being rejected for make-out, no memory of actually meeting her).  Bella didn't appear on Don's Known Sims panel though, neither did she appear on my specially-created male Sim's.  I am beginning to think Bella was on a downtown lot and I didn't notice her - apparently others have seen her on them (in Pleasantview, not Strangetown) because there's no other explanation for them appearing in her "Known Sims" (perhaps I will add them back, maybe she'll call ...).  Maxis really are milking this.



[/quote] I checked and instead of her being in the Known Sim Pool  she was in the regular sim pool so I moved her to known sims for Mortimer that corrected that any way. also check out Darleen Dreamer: Darrens Deceased wife I found two Darleen Dreamer's in My sim Browser 1 has the correct relations as in Dirk being her son and her knowing Darren. the other has no family and Knows absolutely  no one that I could determine and according to Sim Pe  has 38 days left as an Adult before transitioning to elder . watch for Darleen Dreamer to be the next character they exploit at Maxis however the secon Darleen looks nothing like Dirks Mother

There have always been two Darleens, also two Michaels and two Skips.  The others are used for the photos from what I can gather.  I've brought Skip back in my game and used the file with character data, but I've left the other alone, still with its "I am Dead" token intact.  The thing is, I am certain Bella also had two files at the start, one showing her still alive and the other showing her dead (with no character data).  The most relevant thing in all this though is Bella's file, which is way bigger than anyone else's.  It also seems to have got bigger since Nightlife. 

that could be as there are two Skip Broke Files .I didnt bother checking either.Bella for a dead sim she sure seems to have alot of Info in her file. but what was noteworthy in the second Darleen Dreamer file was that she had no ghost flags checked but the one with  the correct Info had  the appropriate ghost flags checked.in My Game I have one less Nanny now yesterday I was playing one of my families that Mom is a patrol officer and Dad is a professional party guest. my family was eating as Dad prepared a meal before he left for work for the two kids the Nanny Kendal Lawson arrived at the house on time just before Mom went to work.the couple has a baby as well and two daughters at Uni. all of a sudden I see Calista Despret with the baby when seconds before Kendal had the baby and was feeding her.I couldnt figure out what was going on so I dropped the walls of the house looking for Kendal ,I find Kendal at the front door where she peed her self just before coming back in the house and the buttons all grey out and sure enough here comes the grim reaper.Im like ok which of  my sims is he after now? turned out he was after Kendal. after I moved her grave to the cemetary. I saved and exited the game.look in Sim PE and discover all the appropriate ghost flags were checked for Kendal .However SimPE indicated that at the time of death Kendal actually still had 11 day left weird when I had a nanny eaten by the cowplant there was no new nanny immediately there but this time just minutes before Kemdal died a replacement was there

Preface: I don't play Pleasantview; I use SimPE only for recoloring, so I haven't messed with character files; I don't visit the BBS so don't know about their 'Bella spam.'

But I'll second (fifth? fourteenth?) the opinion that something about Bella ~ and/or "Bella Clone" ~ has been changed. I do play Strange Town, and have been trying for quite some time to get one of my Sims in particular to meet her and form some kind of relationship. Prior to Nightlife, that was impossible, as any time I spotted her, she was just walking by (usually on a Community lot), and clicking on her got "no actions available."

However, since installing Nightlife, not only is Bella (Bella-Clone?) accessible, but she's showed up several times to welcome new Sims to Strange Town. Some of them are even attracted to her, and vice versa. Overall, she behaves much more like a regular Townie, and not some mysterious recluse who can't be approached. Maybe because they added Mrs. Crumplebottom for that role.  :P

I thought the very first Maxis patch was supposed to fix the issue of not being able to meet Bella in Strangetown? Or so I've heard, I never played that neighborhood for any extensive period of time.

Hmmm..that's odd. I bought TS2 in late February, had it only a few weeks before the first patch came out and I don't think I played Strangetown prior to patching it but I could be wrong. Anyway, my point is, my sims were always able to interact with the Bella in Strangetown (I even had Nervous Subject engaged to her), long before NL.

I dunno. My game is/was patched, but I was never able to click on her.

I play Strange Town quite a lot, too ~ it's the only Maxis default neighborhood still in my game.

I experienced similar oddness with her too, and it wasn't consistent. In my first incarnation of Strangetown Bella showed up in the "welcome wagon" for a sim I'd made. She eventually moved in with him, then moved to her own place and had his daughter Marina. Shortly afterward I decided to reset all the Maxis neighborhoods. It was after the reset that I was having the same problem as Hairfish, Bella would walk by but I'd get "no actions available" when I'd click on her. I finally lucked out when Ajay Loner was chatting online, Bella was online too and he was finally able to talk to her. Shortly after that NL came out and I went ahead and reinstalled everything. Bella's back to being part of welcome wagons and she's usually one of the townies I'll see on a downtown lot.

As for the Pleasantview Bella, all of the stuff the new SimPe is turning out is sure odd. I wonder if the changes were intentional or accidental. We've got some previously unresurrectable sims (Willow's parents, Lyla Grunt, Skip Broke) who are now resurrectable. I'd resurrected some of them and later regretted it (the desicion for the reinstall) because they all looked like something was wrong: no hair, Willow's parents were adults in elder bodies, Lyla's face graphics were screwed up. And when I'd asked I think I remember MaxoidTom saying some sims previously unlinked were accidentally marked as linked (I think it's in the bug thread). As interesting as it would be to add these characters back in I don't know enough about fixing my game if they really were supposed to stay dead or missing. :-\

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As for the Pleasantview Bella, all of the stuff the new SimPe is turning out is sure odd. I wonder if the changes were intentional or accidental. We've got some previously unresurrectable sims (Willow's parents, Lyla Grunt, Skip Broke) who are now resurrectable. I'd resurrected some of them and later regretted it (the desicion for the reinstall) because they all looked like something was wrong: no hair, Willow's parents were adults in elder bodies, Lyla's face graphics were screwed up. And when I'd asked I think I remember MaxoidTom saying some sims previously unlinked were accidentally marked as linked (I think it's in the bug thread). As interesting as it would be to add these characters back in I don't know enough about fixing my game if they really were supposed to stay dead or missing. :-\
[/quote]I heard that night life shipped  with  that oddity and that it wasnt intentional