More Awesome Than You!

Tons and tons of debugging options. May prevent your game from exploding in a big fiery ball visible from space. May cause your game to explode in a big fiery ball visible from space if misused.

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FFS Lot Debugger (v2.0b) for TS2 v1.0p2 - TS2NL v1.0p1
Made by: Flying Fish Systems (J. M. Pescado & Doctor Boris)

Special Thanks To:
Twojeffs, for Stuck Kicky Bag Deletion

Congratulations to: Draklixa!

INSTRUCTIONS:
Place in your MYDOCU~1\EAGAME~1\THESIM~1\DOWNLO~1 directory.

FEATURES:
I. FIX AWOL HEADMASTER
     Detonates the Headmaster Controller, which can become corrupted and
     prevent the headmaster from appearing correctly on your lots.

II. UPGRADE PRE-UNI SIM
     Upgrades an Adult or Elder sim to 6 want slots/2 locks + Uni graduation
     with no major. Most useful for pre-Uni sims so that they aren't
     permanently confined to second-class citizen status.

III. CLEAR STUCK PARTY
     Destroys the party controller, which can become corrupted and result
     in the inability to hold parties, neverending parties, or corrupted
     party scoring. Any currently in progress party is immediately terminated.

IV. RERANDOMIZE SIM GENERATOR
     Scrambles the sim generator by advancing the sequence a random number of
     places to avoid the identical-child-personality "firstborn" effect. Will
     exit the lot without saving as a side effect. Save before use.

V. SET/REMOVE LIFETIME WANT BIT (non-Original)
     Grants or revokes permanent platinum LTW status in a sim. Use for bugged
     LTW satisfactions where status is not granted, to remove if you simply
     don't like it, or because you're a cheating lamer.

VI. UNFREEZE VISITOR MOTIVES
     Removes "static motives" flag from all visiting sims and dormies.

VII. KILL STUCK BILLS
     Deletes all potentially stuck bills hiding on and off the lot.

VIII. CLEAR OFFWORLD LOITERERS
     Indiscriminately removes all sims loitering invisibly off-lot. May cause
     undesired side effects if used at the wrong time.

IX. REENABLE CONTROLS
     Attempts to reenable build/buy/save/exit.

X. KILL GHOST EMITTER
     Deletes the "haunted" emitters which cause sims to freak out at random
     objects, even if ghosts are not present on the lot.

XI. FIX BROKEN MOOD BOOSTS
     Fixes the platinum-asp mood boosts for all sims on the lot.

XII. UNSTICK ME (debug mode only) (experimental)
     Attempts to unstick a sim that has lost the ability to move for some
     unknown reason. Experimental.

XIII. NUKE STUCK MOVE OUT
     Nukes the college move-out controller, which can become corrupted and
     prevent sims from moving out of college.

XIV. RETRIEVE MISSING SIM
     Attempts to retrieve a missing sim which is stuck off-world by teleporting
     it to the mailbox and forcing an error.

XV. UNBLOCK FRIDGE TILES
     Attempts to remove stuck invisible tiles potentially blocking fridges.

XVI. FIX FUNKY MOVEMENT (debug mode only) (experimental)
     Attempts to force a sim back to walking normally and stop the "iceskater"
     effect. Experimental - intended for testing only.

XVII. RE-GIVE DIPLOMA (debug mode only) (Uni)
     Re-issues a sim's diploma in the event that it is lost/stolen/eaten.

XVIII. MAKE ME SMART/STUPID (debug mode only)
     Applies or removes "stuck smart milk" effect to sims.

XIX. FORCE ERRORS (experimental)
     Forces all objects of specified locality (all/in-world/off-world) to
     error. Do not run while debug mode is ineffect or thousands of error
     dialogs may appear! May crash, freeze or spam your game. Consult your
     doctor before use.

XX. TEST IQ
     Returns percent-learning rate (100 is normal) for current sim.

XXI. RESPAWN TOMBSTONE (debug mode only) (experimental) (NL)
     Regenerates a tombstone for a dead sim. Note that the dead sim must be
     the selected sim, which means you must spawn him somehow, then make
     him selectable and choose this command.

XXII. Nuke Stuck Poobags (NL)
     Removes stuck invisible flaming bags of poo from horrible dates.

XXIII. Nuke Stuck Airplanes
     Removes invisibly stuck paper airplane reserve tiles.

XXIV. Fix Broken Selectableness
     Fixes broken selectable bits occasionally found on newly moved-in sims.

XXV. Fudge Astrology (debug only)
     Forces a sim's astrological sign to the one corresponding to the number
     chosen. Useful for creating sims based on real people with personalities
     that may not match Maxian archetype.

XXVI. Wipe Mystery Sim Memories
     Removes all irrelevant "Mystery Sim" memories on freshly created so your
     sims can experience the relevant moments with some real sim instead of
     blabbing about this mystery sim thing. Option not available on sims with
     chronologies that removing these would invalidate.

XXVII. Remove CLP (debug only)
     Removes the community lot populator object if debugger is on community
     lot. If you don't know why you want to do this, don't touch this.

XXVIII. Decimate Neighborhood (debug only) (do not use!)
     10% of your neighborhood is randomly given the death token, causing
     immediate death on lot load. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION. Will give warning
     box if you attempt to touch it.

XXXIV. FIX WEREWOLF HAIRINESS
     If your werewolf is stuck in perma-hairy mode, try this button to perhaps
     cause him to become normal (during the day anyway). Not available at night
     when you're supposed to be hairy.

Not all options are displayed unless applicable to current sim and situation.
Not all options displayed are applicable.


COMPATIBILITY:
Compatible with all FFS Hacks. Standalone object. Tested for TS2NL v1.0p1.

WARNING:
Do not open, crush, dispose of in fire, put in backwards, short-circuit, or mix
with non-awesome hacks - may explode, leak, or catch fire, resulting in injury
and/or death.

Brilliant! Thanks a lot for this update JMP, it's much appreciated. :)

Now to go and try it out... will report back!

ETA: Still can't get YAs to graduate, unfortunately. I threw a grad party for the sim, and afterwards she just stood there doing nothing. So I used the debugger and it said 2 things fixed, and I could get her to use the phone to 'Return to Pleasantview', however she still stood there doing nothing. So I used the debugger again and it fixed 1 thing, was able to use the phone to 'Return..' again, and the same thing happened again, over and over. Eventually had to boolprop her out of there because her Aspiration was falling below Platinum.

Don't know what's going on, but detonating the move-out controller doesn't seem to fix the problem. :(

I am getting an error on mouse over. Am I missing something?

Log attached

Yea for this!  Now my sims kids don't all look the same!  The pre Uni upgrade is well worth the $29.95!!

Fixed.

Thank You !!!! (X 25)

This has been a great help. Thank you! :)

I get the stuck bug only when I constantly encourage, either through macro or queing it up for visitors. Very useful, thank you. 

Will this get rid of a stuck kicky bag?

One of my dorms has a bunch of chairs that are bugged.  There is no one that I can see sitting in the chairs, but when I try to sell them, the game states that I can't delete objects that are in use. The lot debugger has a choice for delete otherworld visitors (or something close to that, I may not have the exact wording) and when I choose that, it says that the game will quit and then nothing happens. Will clearing the otherworld visitors make my chairs useable?  What I am not doing to make the debugger clear them?

Thanks!

Re: Are kicky bags nuked: yes.
Re: Chairs in use: I have this exact same problem! I've found the only cure to be moveobjects on (or move_objects on, they both do the same thing.) and delete the stuck chairs.

You can do moveobjects to get the chairs and sell them, then you have to buy new ones.  I have heard that the stuck chairs may be caused by using mind control mirror.

You can also force an error on them usually.

Thanks for the help.  I will try moveobjects_on to delete them.  I am not sure what caused the problem though. I don't have the mind control mirror. The only things that I have downloaded are from Pescado and TwoJeffs.

Chairs and other objects frequently become stuck, particularly in high-traffic environments like dorms. Forcing them to error or delete/replace generally resolves the issue without further comment.

When I run my mouse over the FFS lot debugger, the sim selected gets reset. If at work, they are now on the sidewalk. This is annoying, and I have no idea what's causing it.

Bug in an old version. Do you have the new version?

I *think* so. I'll download it again, just to make sure.

I am unclear as to the difference between 'Reroll Lame LTW' and 'Toggle LTW thingy'

Also, what are stuck motives?

I did RTFM, honestly, but it didn't answer my question, and thus gave my an opportunity to come here and ask it and risk making a dick of myself, but that has never bothered me in the past...

Reroll lame LTW lets you change your sims LTW to something else.

Toggle LTW makes the game think that your sim met their LTW and they become permiplat

sorry for asking, but where do I find the lot debugger? I mean in which buy-section is it and how much does it cost? I've got quite a lot of custom content by now and I thought I'd looked everywhere but I just can't find it..
thanks  ;)

You'll find it in Misc.../Misc. It costs 1 Simolean, which is well worth it.

Toggle LTW also lets you turn off permanent platinum if you decide the game is no longer challenging with it.

I need Hack Instructions for Dummies     


The part about making  preUni sims not be secondclass citizens.  Does that mean they can get the new careers?  If so,  exactly how do I do it?  I have adult sims that I would really like to put in those new careers.



About the stuck chairs.   I haven't had any chairs stuck but lots of beds and sofas.  Finally realized it was from x-ing out nap and sleep actions from the queue.  Since then have used only the wake up option and have had no more stuck items. 
   

Hedgekat, you need the LotDebugger, found in-game in the misc/misc section (big yellow box). Click on it and select "Upgrade pre-university sim". That will make it appear that the sim has been to university. The uni jobs do appear on the computer job-search for the upgraded sim, at least they do in my game. I don't know if they appear in the newspaper, but since they do in the computer they most likely appear in the paper as well.

Have fun

G.

This happened to me with the very first CAS I tried to graduate when the EP was new.  She took her final exam and finished, but this is when I first experienced the 'Trance-Stance'.   I thought maybe it had something to do with that particular house being left empty, so I brought in two more CAS students.  My stuck Sim remained behind for 3-4 more terms with her housemates.  She did the cooking for them and read for skill.  I tried everything I could think of and as long as she didn't use the phone to call home or throw a party she was fine - I did not have any mods or hacks in my game - played straight from the box.  If she tried to move out by computer, I received a message that said another Sim was trying to move out and to try again later.  I finally had to move the three out and into the bin and then move them immediately back into the same house.  She transitioned immediately and the game proceeded as expected.

When I click the debugger I get different items on different lots.  Some options are fairly obvious but others aren't.   What does "Reroll randomized sim" do?   And there is one about stuck bills that has appeared on several lots but as far as I can tell there is nothing wrong with their bills, other than not having paid them yet.   The one lot that did seem to have missing bills did not have the stuck bills option.  I could not find unpaid bills anywhere on the lot but got the notice that the repo man was coming.   And I got the slowdown bug from it.  After using boolprop to delete the stuck vehicle they kept trying to come back and kept getting stuck so had to vacate the lot.

As long as you have bills, there is the capability for them to get stuck, I think.

Randomise Sims is a tool that you need to use before, for example, a Sim childbirth.  The random table for Sim personaliities is not very random, so this actually runs along a good few entries by creating and then discarding Sims.  Any Sim child that is subsequently born should have a different personality to his/her siblings.  However, in order to discard Sims, your lot must exit to the Neighbourhood and not save, so save your game beforehand ;)

I've never had any particular problem with personalities for born-in-game sims.  Often several in the family may have the same zodiac sign,  but their allotment of personality points is usually pretty random.  I've heard lots of people complain about "clone children",  with all the children in a family looking identical.  I've had this happen a few times but think it is more likely to be due to strongly dominant genetics.  Have only had it happen with children of townies or npcs.   

What is bothering me more right now is the majority of newly generated npcs and townies all having the same personalities.   They are nearly all popularity-Aries.   Can Randomize Sims fix that?

One of my sims had several children who all looked alike.  I thought this might be due to dominant genetics, but skintone does not have a dominant gene in the Sims.  Since the mother has skintone 3 and the father has skintone 1, then there should have been children with skintones 1, 2, and 3.  Only after using the randomize function did I get a child that was S1 with facial features that were different from the other siblings and more like the father.  The child still has black hair and brown eyes, but that is to be expected since those are dominant genes.

Rainbow,

Did the mother or father have any custom genetics?  I understand that if the genetic code information if also not changed when the skin is cloned and only the color is changed, that the genetics will default to the original set.

Bane

Nope, the mother is Cassandra Goth and a CAS sim I made for her to marry after that horrible Don Lothario left her at the altar.  As you know, she has black hair with brown eyes and S3 skin.  My sim I made has red hair, light blue eyes, and S2 skin.  I made a mistake above.  He has S2 skin, not S1.

I have also observed the same with other sims.  I made a CAS sim for Brandi who was the brother of the sim I made for Cassandra, only he had dark blue eyes and black hair.  They had 5 girls and 2 boys.  All the girls looked alike.  One even could pass for Brandi with the same hairstyle and clothes, except her lips were fuller like her father's.  The boys looked slightly different, and one was almost a clone of his father.  All of them had black hair, dark blue eyes, and S1 skin, except for one, but she was a twin.  Go figure that.  I'm sure it goes along with what JM said, when you have twins, they will look less alike than singles because the Sim generator is rolled twice.

True, and I think we decided that you couldn't rely on the genetics when playing the Maxis Sims.  I knew that Don was sneaky, when I played Cassandra he did not get the chance to leave her.

So, are you saying that we should consider using the randomizer for more sensible genetic outcomes?  At what point did you use it in the new baby situation?

I would tend to use SimPE once you've moved them in to fine-tune their personality.  As far as in-game tools go, there is the Encouragificator, a macro to repeatedly encourage Sims to alter their ways.  Of course, the Sim doing the encouraging must be in the subject's family and has to be older.  A mother-in-law might work ;)

I'm experiencing this problem too.  In debugging mode it pops up 'Stack number out of range' for the Sim in question.

I'm going to try a previous version if one is still kicking around, and let you know if that helps.

Edit: Reverted back to FFS Debugger (09 June 05) and no jumps so far.

That's what JM recommended and I think that's exactly what it was intended for.  That and personality.  I always save right before the baby is born, and then use it.  That's when the new character is created.  You only have to use it once per game session because when you close the game down, it is reset when you next start the game.  So I would use it before every birth.  I used it for Cassandra's 11th child (I was going to stop at 10, but Risky Woohoo kicked in, so I decided to see what I would get this time using the randomizer).  I believe you would get the same results if you didn't save after a birth and reloaded the lot several times since everytime a new character is created, but that takes forever.

After I found out about Maxis-created sims having messed up DNA, I fixed them.  I can't stand having stuff being messed up like that!

By the way, you need to delete some PMs. :)

Oh...that's right, I completely forgot about that part - the baby's birth.  I haven't had any born in awhile, but I have been using it for everything else though and it's great.  I'll check my PM's right now - thanks Rainbow.

What's the matter with Maxis created sims DNA?  And how did you fix it?

This is happening to me too.  Fortunately, I still have the older version, I'll try using that one.  Thanks for the helpful post.

Vicki

If you're experiencing an error with the current version, attach the error log produced. That was a bug in an older version, which should have been squashed in the current version, possibly same-day.

Okay, I'll pay more attention to the timestamp from now on ;)  The latest one is just fine, no problems with it.

Regarding Randomise and the First-born effect:

When one randomises with this object, does this change all future babies to be born with another specific starsign?  I've noticed that suddenly several of my babies born in game - especially my Trojan legacy (since hitting the randomise function several playing sessions ago - only touched once) are Libras rather than the Aries sign.

Or does it make it run more along genetic lines?

It doesn't guarantee future babies to be born with any specific sign, as the sign is determined by personality and personality is determined partially by your parent sims: Thus, a given pair of sims will exhibit a predisposition towards certain signs. The "firstborn effect" is what causes all of your babies to be identical to each other in personality...unless you randomize. It's still possible they'll end up the same anyway, but that's another factor at work.

Could you perhaps add a function to this that can clear the "on campus" bit for adults?
Occasionally on graduation a Sim of mine will still have this set, and therefore won't be able to get impregnated or get a job.

I've had this problem too, and it's soooo annoying, but I don't think the debugger is to blame for this.  However, I have another problem which I think is a result of the Clear Offworld Loiterers option, which immediately spawns large numbers of nannies, which take ages to get rid of.  The option doesn't, in fact, clear them it causes them to enter the lot!!

JM, I'd really appreciate it if you could take a look at this, and why it could be happening, and if there is an answer other than move the Brokes out.  The only thing I did wonder is whether the fact that I reported in another post that Beau has a file which is twice the normal size could have something to do with it.  Are the nannies all hiding in his file, I ask myself!

I like this randomize feature a lot.  Sometimes it produces surprising results.  I have a kid in one of my families who was born with zero nice points, even though his parents have at least 6 or 7 each.  This happens to be a kid who was born after I'd used randomize a bunch of times in a row.  I haven't quite decided what he's going to be when he grows up (Criminal, probably....)

One question:  I saw an option on the Lot Debugger that had something to do with mood meters (I think....I only saw it once and I forgot to write it down.)  Can you tell me what that is for?

Karen

Have you got the parents desperate to encourage him to be nice?

Not yet, but I've been playing other families recently and haven't spent much time with this family in a while.  He only just turned into a kid, so maybe they just haven't had the opportunity yet.

Karen

Oh, well maybe if they encourage him a lot, he'll improve!  You never know!  He could always go into the science career and be a knowledge sim, that doesn't seem to require much in the way of niceness!

The niceness thing is bugged anyway, I've got a few Leo's with only one nice point, and usually they're quite pleasant even to strangers, while sims with five or six nice points want to ventrilo-fart everyone they meet!

I have a Maxis-made dorm where I paid the last set of bills just before moving out the last student. I just put two more students through Uni in that same dorm and when I moved them in, the flag on the mailbox was still up. The mailman comes, but he just walks around the mailbox and goes on. In four years he didn't take the bills or bring new ones. Is this the stuck bill problem? Will the lot debugger fix this? Not that I *want* my students to pay bills, but there must be something wrong for this to be happening.

Jen

Oh, something is definitely wrong!  Are you using payatbox?  I found I had to remove it, something in my game was in conflict with it, I think, but I've no idea what!

Nope, no pay at box...

Jen

Well, in that case I've no idea what's wrong, unless maybe your mailbox itself is corrupted.

Oh, crap, that was not the response I was hoping for :o How do I fix a corrupted mailbox?

Jen

Have you tried the stuck bills option on the debugger?

If the debugger doesn't work then Carrigon (I think) has replacement mailbox/dustbin, and definitely you can get them from SimaLittleDreamaLot2.

Since first using the Debugger last night to clear a stuck refrigerator tile (it worked!), I'm completely sold on this thing.

It fixed all kinds of stuff, on all kinds of lots, that I didn't even know about. Stuck kickybags, invisible/unpayable bills, AWOL Headmasters (I had no idea), offworld loiterers...whatever those are, they're gone now.

Best of all? It made my game run smoother, without all that sticky-stucky crap!

Now, if we could only get a Debugger for Real Life...

Hairfish, be very careful about clearing offworld loiterers on a lot that had a nanny!

Be sure no one is on the phone when using Clear Offworld loiterers because it detects the sims on the phone as such.

Grief, I never realised that!  Yet another thing to look out for!

Yeah, that's why they show up in the Mind Control Mirror when your sims are on the phone.  I'm not sure it if will cause permanent damage, but once I did this and everyone on the phone abruptly hung up.  I can't tell that it broke anything though.  But I would recommend not doing it. ;)

Seems like the only safe time to do anything is when your sims are all fast asleep in bad!

Yes, it pretty much seems like it.  Let me see, don't save after you invite the headmaster, don't save while on the phone, don't save after getting pregnant, anything else?  I don't save in the middle of parties, but maybe because I'm over cautious.  I think I had a problem once, but I'm not sure.

This is a stupid game!!! ::)  Maybe I'll just go and veg in front of the other box in future and let my poor old brain rot!

And bridge-players think their game is complicated!

I generally save every morning when the first sim in the household wakes up.  That way if anything I do to the game outside of it.  (Like install a new expansion pack for instance)  does not cause sims at work or school to suddenly appear at home or people pop out of bed in the middle of the night completely refreshes, etc.  There seem to be quite a few things that will cause the game to reset like that.   I have had it happen with certain hacks too but can't remember which ones.  So I save when it is least likely to cause havoc with the game.

I have noticed that as well.  I know for sure that InTeenimater and Woohoo teens does this.  If your child sims have stuck smart milk skill, it resets this as well.  :-\  I always liked to save after putting my sims to bed, it seemed like a good place to stop, or after sending them to work, but like you said, everyone will get sent home or wake up totally refreshed, so I may borrow your idea about saving first thing in the (sim) morning.

Yes, that seems a good idea to me too.  At least they don't all lose their interests like they did in Sims1 when you installed a new EP!

I haven't had a chance to try out the debugger on my problem dorm, but I definately will. Hope it works, if not thanks for the tips on the replacement mailboxes.

What problems does saving after a pregnancy cause? I've done that and had no (visible) problems, other than the pregnant woman yakking in everyone's bathroom for forever :P

Jen

According to some posters, it has been known to cause the choking death.  It's never happened to me, so I don't know how dangerous it is!

It's happened to me, with the very first sim I created.  And several other pregnant sims.  In every case it occurred after I had saved on the first day of pregnancy.  I  only lost that first one though as she was the only one alone when it happened.  One of the others  was very iffy.  Her death occurred on another lot when she had gone home from work with a friend.  It took  5 tries before he was able to defeat death as he only had a 20/20 relationship with her.   One woman it happened to twice,  but both times her husband was there to save her.   ( Sim CPR I think.)  In each case the choking death occurred almost immediately after I reentered the lot.   I didn't quit saving though.   I just made sure that when I saved there was someone else in the house with a close relationship with her.

Oh, yes,  although it happened frequently in the early days of my game,  I have not had one instance of it occurring since installing the first patch.   

Pregnancy is very bugged, anyway!  I had one pregnant sim in the third trimester, and instead of staying home like a good little sim, she kept turning up after work at other sims' homes!  Sometimes after she'd just trundled past the lot on her daily constitutional!

Lazlo Curious did that after he got abducted, although he had not yet entered his third trimester, he showed up at the Beaker house hugely pregnant, in his third trimester.  But he was also fat too, because he is lazy. :P  So I guess he looked even bigger than usual.  When I went to the Curious house, he was not that big and soon went into his third trimester.  I just wondered where they were going to keep all those babies since they are so crazy about getting abducted all the time and always come back pregnant.

Even worse if you let them get abducted twice on the same night!  Then they have twins!

And the worst thing is, the Pollination Technician doesn't obey the anti-incest rules that other sims have to stick to!  One of my half-alien sims got himself abducted twice on the same night, and had twin daughters!  Identical!

Yep, Tosha Go keeps dropping by Alexander and Meadow Goth's house, waddling around in her third day belly, before she'd even hit the third day!  She's been pregnant with her second child for as long as it's taken Alex and Meadow to have 2 kids!  I think she's trying to give me a hint.

"PLAY MY HOUSE LONG ENOUGH FOR ME TO GIVE BIRTH YOU BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH"  or something like that.

I had this show up as well. Something about fix broken mood boosts or something like that. I was wondering if this is a new option and does this always show up or does it only show up if something is actually broken? I'm a bit confused about the options. Like do they only show up if something needs fixing, or are they always available regardless of something is broken or not. And if it is the latter, does something bad happen if you try and fix something that ain't broked? ???
Ste

Doesn't always show up, but sometimes I've had it show up when I've had visitors over in the main neighborhood.  I've clicked on it, but it doesn't always go away.  I don't know if it's just for use on campus, because that's usually where the problem occurs.  Situations where I've noticed it are when moving a sim to a Greek house, and their mood bars seem stuck, dormies that stay stuck in one spot or doing group research for days, cheerleaders and mascots that sit on the sofa doing research or watching TV forever, and others.  Sometimes if you look at their moods by taking control of them (Merola's mirror, Insimenator) their moods will be "stuck" in green.  Not sure if anything bad happens if it's not really broken, but I haven't seen anything bad happen (yet).

Ahhh... thanks. I have seen this happen in Uni, with dormies sorta stuck in bathrooms or what not, but maybe that is something else. Because apparently those dormies who seem to freeze in front of toilets or whatever can still pass out and/or die. *shrugs*

But I definatley have seen dormies that seem to do research for days and days on end.  ::) I originally thought they just really loved research.  :D And I was like, ok, whatever... weirdos... and just assumed that they must have went off to do something else and always come back to do research, since I don't always pay attention to the dumb dormies. But when I saw that they were still there for several days, I started to suspect something odd might be going on. But they didn't die or anything, so it didn't really concern me. They seem to eventually get up and do something else, but maybe they get reset after I quit and come back. I guess next time I see this happen, I'll try that option and see if it fixes them.  :P

Ste

This totally cracked me up. I had the same thing with a sim (dare I say it? ok, it was Bella Goth) in Strangetown. I was bored playing that house and just left it with her being pregnant. Every time I played any other house in that neighborhood, there went Bella waddling along by the house, standing out front and seeming to look at me. I was finally guilted into playing her house at least until she gave birth, lol. Maybe with being a mother myself, I over-empathized with a pixel person.  :D

Or maybe you watch a lot of Star Trek, and you're just a litle afraid they might be "exceeding the sum of their programming"?

lol. I haven't actually watched Star Trek since Kirk was captain but maybe that thought was lurking about in my head somewhere.

Sentient sims!  What would we do?  We'd never be able to kill of another Townie or feed a Cow to the Cowplant again!  ;D

What?!  You didn't know?!  These are indeed real people on another plane of the Universe.  The game actually taps into that other plane and allows you, the gamer, to actually impact the lives of real, living people.  For good or ill.    It is your choice to become either demigod or demon.  Mwahahahahah

Well, in that case, I'm glad I'm kind to my sims!

One of my CAS-created Sims just turned into an elder, and as she was a Family Sim about to have her 6th grandchild, I decided to reroll her LTW to see if I could get that one to come up.  I rerolled using the Lot Fixer and her LTW disappeared.  If I change her aspiration (using Merola's painting) to something other than Family, everything is normal.  But as long as she is a Family Sim, she does not have a LTW.  Even in SimPE, the LTW is blank and there is no way to select any of the options.

Her LTW before I did the re-roll was "send 3 kids to college", but since she's past childbearing and her 4 kids are all adults, that isn't going to happen.  I want to give her something achievable, like "golden anniversary" or "have 6 grandchildren".

Any ideas?  I'm not seeing this with any other families, so maybe this is something specific to CAS-created Sims?  She was created in CAS as an adult, if that matters.

Forgot to mention - I have the ltwvariety hack installed.

Karen

I have no idea what would cause this.  I have only recently installed Uni and have not played it much yet.   But two things I would try are removing the ltwvariety fix, then if that has no effect,  temporarily setting her age back to adult with Simpe. 

This happens with elders sometimes with ltwvariety.  JM said so himself.  You might want to check that thread.  He says if there are no valid LTWs for that sim, then it won't show anything.  Especially with elders since they can't get regular jobs without hacks.  But I would think being a Family sim she could at least get the Golden Anniversary or Have 6 grandchildren want because those are definitely achievable by elders.

Remove the hack, go and check all your elders whose LTWs you need to change, change them, then you can put the hack back again.

Exactly!  I think the Golden Anniversary, at least, should have been available even with the hack installed.

I was able to get around the problem by changing her aspiration to something other than Family, then going into SimPE and picking Golden Anniversary as her LTW, then going back into the game and changing her back to a Family Sim using Merola's painting.  And when I had the anniversary party, it did fulfill her LTW, so she's OK for now.  But I still think this is a bug.

Karen

You were lucky, when I changed a sim's aspiration in SimPE, he didn't get lifetime platinum, even though I got the message that he had.

If the sim you mention is one of the Maxis sims, then they can get a new LTW with the debugger because it's designed to use family LTWs, but any CAS sim will almost certainly roll a blank icon.  It's not even possible with CAS adults to get all the normal options if the LTW fix is installed.

Why is that?  I have a feeling that's what happened to me, because this was definitely a CAS-created Sim.

Karen

It's because the LTW fix is designed, I think, to pull on parents, grandparents etc. for new LTWs.  Since CAS sims don't have them, apart from children created in CAS from both parents, they have nothing to draw an LTW from.  However, all you need to do, as I said, is removed the LTW fix while you change LTWs, then put it back in again.

Why did you have to change their aspiration if you were going to change their LTW in SimPE anyway?  I would think that it wouldn't matter what their aspiration was if you were going to use SimPE to change the LTW.

Well, Ty and Cory Crewe had two daughters created in CAS.  The two girls grew up to teens and went to college, and rettling around in their big house, Ty and Cory knew that, even though they were both Romance sims, they needed the challenge of a baby around the house.  So Ty went and got himself altered in SimPE.  He was already in the police career, as it didn't matter what career he was in since his LTW had been to woohoo with 20 different sims, so he didn't change careers, but he wast treated as female and had his ltw changed to be Captain Hero.  Well, he got preggers, had a baby, and made Captain Hero - but no lifetime platinum for poor Ty, and he was getting tired of his female voice and mannerisms, so he went and got himself changed back to how he was!  Luckily for him the debugger and the clock appeared in his house, so he was able to roll a new LTW which he could fulfill - and he's now on his third career!

Did you change his LTW from Woohoo 20 sims, or did he fulfill that one and get another one?  I had one sim that didn't get permanent platinum after making General, but that was because I changed it in SimPE, and it may be different now, but there were two different ones for reaching the top of the MIlitary career.  I didn't know which one to pick, so I picked one, and he didn't get it, so I quit without saving and went back to SimPE and changed to the other one.  He was then able to reach his LTW.  Another one didn't get permanent platinum, but that was because of the helicopter bug with the maid's van I described in another thread.

I just changed it from the woohoo one to Captain hero, since he's changed to Family, but it didn't work for him.  But the College Clock which I used first worked fine for him - I changed the woohoo LTW to Professional Party Guest, and he got that fairly quickly, then he went on to the top of the athletics career.  I've only got one or two adult sims with the woohoo ltw, and only one with the 20 lovers at once (Keanu Broke) as they're so time consuming to fulfil!

Yeah, that one takes forever, but TJ's casual romance helps speed things along.  I am working on a couple of Romance YA's to get their 20 woohoos before they graduate using casual woohoo.

All the LTW options in SimPE were grayed out (unselectable) as long as she remained a Family Sim.  I did the only thing I could think of at the time, which was to change her aspiration in-game and then try SimPE again.  It worked, but maybe I just got lucky.  After she had a valid LTW I was able to change her aspiration back to Family during gameplay with no problem.

Maybe you could have thought of a better solution, but this method worked for me.

Karen

I was just curious.  I wasn't being critical.  I haven't changed any LTW in SimPE in a while, and I didn't know that the LTWs would be greyed out for different aspirations.  That's why I asked.  Sorry if I came across as being critical.

They wouldn't normally be greyed out for family sims, I don't think - certainly not the police career, since that is a family career.  I think it might be because of the LTW fix being installed.



Trouble is, he's now totally obsessed with his daughter and her mum!  Turns up unannounced even after he's had it away with yet another boyfriend!  The little girl is also obsessed with her daddy, so I think I have to move them in with him for a while, don't want to move him out of his new house, but I can always move her later if I want, after the kid is at college.  They won't be able to get married, in any case, as he's already engaged to someone else!  Why isn't there an option for Romance Sims to autonomously say no when they're on 100/100 with the other sim but have the fear of getting engaged?? 

Will this fix time standing still? I have this problem on a few lots, ever since I was stupid enough to install some stuff from the exchange (I checked with clean installer & still got a digital STD?)! Anywhoo, I ended up removing all of my CC & still nothing moves?!?

Have you tried the HackScanner from DJS Sims?

The debugger will put right various problems, but it sounds to me that something you downloaded has left a hack of some kind in your downloads, so I would try both to see if you can isolate the problem.

Where is DJS sims? Also I deleated all of my My docs/EA Games Folders for each user, could a hack land in the Program files area?

http://www.djssims.com/index.php

If you've deleted all your custom content, then I can't see that anything could have landed in your program files, but it could have corrupted something there, I think.  Anyway, I've given you the link, it's a useful program to have anyway, but bear in mind it sees all MoxoidMonkey's creations as hacks.

If something has got corrupted in your program files, I would think the easiest solution would be to remove all your saved games folders and do a complete uinstall/reinstall of University if you have it, or Sims 2 if not.  (If you have Uni, there should be no need to uninstall Sims2, unless nothing else works, and just reinstalling Uni is obviously much quicker!)  You can then return your Saved Games folders to their proper places in your My Documents/EAGames folder.

You could try the Debugger, but if this is a problem occurring on every lot you enter, then it doesn't seem like it's a problem which the Debugger is designed to fix - they are what you might call "lot-specific" rather than general.

Do you mean that sims on some lots are not aging? I just had that problem, ended up having to move the sims to a new lot - a non-Maxis lot - because apparently the aging controller can become corrupt and there is no current way of fixing it. Some pre-made Maxis houses are also supposed to have a corrupt aging controller. If it is just a few lots, that may be your problem.

If your sims are just not moving, frozen, then I haven't a clue.

Well, the first time I installed Uni, it happened to me when I was finally able to load a lot at all.  I took my downloads out again and started putting them back a few at a time.  Eventually I was forced to reinstall, as nothing else I tried worked.  However, the problem was only with the Campus, not with the Neighbourhood.  But it does seem there is something which can not only become corrupt, but can actual install a corrupted version of itself!

This is my very first maty post, just in case that makes anyone feel more, or less, kind. 8)

So I've been very lucky in terms of horrible nasty visible-from-space bugs in TS2 so far (knock wood), but I've got a glitch now that (while still minor) is tempting me to actually do something about it, and I thought I'd check first.

The problem is a non-working carpool exit portal (or a symptom that suggests that) on one lot: the carpool arrives, the Sim gets in, but the carpool doesn't drive off; instead it just sits there until the end of the hour and then vanishes ("well, the teleporter works okay, but it takes a long time to warm up").

Is this a thing that the FFS Lot Debugger is likely to be able to fix? (Is the one in this thread the most recent / correct version?  (I have Univ but not NL.))  Any particular advice beyond the obvious in using it to do that?  (Despite admiring them greatly from afar, I haven't actually used any custom objects with BHAVs in them, and I admit I'm a snidge nervous.)

Advice, thoughts, suggestions, dirty jokes, welcome,
DC

You need Crammyboy's portal fix and Erzengel's replacement portals from ModTheSims2.

Read the thread on Tree Breaks and Missing Portals here at Maty for more informations.

Thanks very!  Is that a "no" then on the question of whether the Lot Debugger addresses this problem?

For the lazy, here are the links:

The Case of the Tree Breaks and the Missing Portals (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=283.0) here on maty.

Crammyboy's Portal Fix on MTS2 (http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?p=698928) (prevents at least one thing that randomly deletes portals)

Carpool Not Showing Up - FIX (http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=79045) on MTS2, from Erzengel; installable replacement portals

I'll try to get unlazy enough to actually try some of this on my lot...   8)

DC

Hi JM just thought I would let u know that I am using this with nightlife and so far not a problem with it. I will  still test further though to see if there is any problems. ;D ;D ;D

The debugger helps with a lot of problems, like stuck kicky bags, blocked fridge tiles, etc., but if you have a corrupted portal, you really need the portal fixes!  I found when I tried the debug option to get rid of Offworld Loiterers that I got Nannies arriving by the dozen and just walking into the house and getting in the way, not to mention walking up to poor Brandi and water-bombing or ventrilofarting her!  Funny it may have been for a while, but it soon wore off when I realised that this problem wouldn't go away while there were kids in the house!

'k, thanks much (bene for you, hee hee hee).  I'll give them a try when I get sufficiently bothered by the teleporting-out carpool...                 DC

Is this safe with Nightlife? Anybody know? I've had some of these problems (stuck kicky bag)

I'm not sure, I have heard it is, but I do know that TwoJeffs at variousimmers.com has his college adjuster ready for Nightlife, and it can remove stuck kicky bags as well.  He says the old one will work, but the new version will make your sim a vampire or cure him of vampirism.  (Wonder if it would work on Pescado??? ;))

Yes this object works as far as I know I have been using it since I got nightlife

Please pardon my stupid question but what exactly is this "AWOL Headmaster" problem that can be fixed with this tool?

I tried this option on some of my lots and all of them apparently had the problem (at least that's what the pop-up message said) although I've never ever invited this headmaster guy - not even on other lots. Actually, on one lot the problem reoccured after I took a Sim to new Downtown (NL). When she came back and I clicked the option again, a message poped-up saying the problem got fixed again. Well, I don't know if it's really related to that reloading-the-lot-thingy, but... ;)

So what is this "AWOL Headmaster" problem anyway?

I've been wondering that as well. Even with my Sims at Uni, every couple of nights that option fixes 1 problem. My Sims have never left the dorm lot to go anywhere except to go to class.

AWOL Headmaster appears as an option on all lots, even dorms.  What it does is delete the headmaster scenario controller.  It does not check to see if there's a messed up controller first, but doesn't appear to hurt anything in any case.

The AWOL Headmaster fixes problems where you have a headmaster that will not even show up when you call him, because the controller thinks there's already a headmaster scenario in progress.  If you have a lot where you can't get a headmaster to show up, and you can *still* Invite Headmaster after you've invited him once, then use the AWOL Headmaster option.

If you have a headmaster scheduled to show up when you upgrade the game with a patch or install a new EP, the controller will be messed up.  In my test house, the headmaster is standing in the living room even though he's not scheduled to appear for another 2 hours.  He disappears as soon as the game is unpaused, and there's no way to interact with him, even using Merola's Mind Control Mirror.  Inviting another headmaster does not give an error, but the headmaster never shows up.  Using AWOL Headmaster fixes the problem.

Hook

I've read so much about bugs with this headmaster guy, but I've never experienced them myself as I therefore avoided calling him...

Thanx for the explanation! :)

Well, I've had pretty good luck with him lately as long as I follow a few basic rules.  In fact, I had almost forgotten about the bug since I had gotten so used to doing it this way.  I save my game right before calling the headmaster and don't save it again until he is safely gone.  I always have my sims call him right before or right after 5 pm.  I have someone make the beds and I have someone clean (Macrotastics clean is good for this) and someone with high cooking skills cook pork chops or salmon.  I also try to make sure gardening is done earlier since it can take longer.  Then the sim who is not cooking will greet and give a tour to the headmaster.  Then they call him to dinner.  Usually by the time this is done, I have more than enough points to get my kids in private school.  I know you can get bonus points for the hot tub or espresso, but I have heard about the headmaster getting stuck in the hot tub, and I saw the headmaster disappear right before my eyes after he drank espresso and was trying to put his cup in the dishwasher, so I avoid those activities when he is there.  Chatting with the headmaster is good for a few points if it results in positive relationship points.  Once I used the lot debugger on those lots that I was not able to call the headmaster on and I follow the rule about calling the headmaster right at 5 and not saving until he is gone, I have had no further problems with him.  I just watch carefully, and if something goes wrong, I just have to reload the lot and do it again, avoiding whatever problem occurred the first time. But it is fun and I enjoy it.  It is so satisfying to get a high score and get your little sim children in private school so they can wear those cute uniforms.  But why do they still ride on the same yellow school bus that the kids in public school do?

Got a question on this...

I've got a student who's graduated but is still in the dorm. She can't get out. I've apparently got the stuck moveout bug happening and the lot debugger fixes it, but the taxi doesn't come and when I have her try to move out again, she goes back into limbo (freezes, etc. but the rest of the Sims on the lot are fine). How can I break out of this loop? Maybe I'm using the debugger wrong?

Jen

The .zip file isn't coming up, I'm getting a 'server not found' message.  Is it temporary?

LisaX

I don't have Uni or NL.  Can I use the debugger? 
It says "tested on Uni" and most of the problems it addresses are Uni problems, so I thought I'd better ask before I put it in my game.
My main interest is headmaster bug as I had a major problem with that a few months back and don't trust it not to reappear as suddenly as it vanished.  I also want to try the randomiser to prevent all the kids being identical.    People were talking about Maxis Sims genetics being a problem - where can I read more about that?

Thank you for the hack JM.

You could try the Graduation No Move Out Fix, or the Move Out Controller Resetter, both by TwoJeffs and available at MTS2. (Best, I found, not to leave them in your game afterwards, they cause problems in the main neighbourhood.)

Oooh thanks for the tip! I'll check those out. I did find that moving the students fixed the issue, but obviously that's a serious pain in the butt  :P

Jen

They worked fine for me, but as I say, they can mean that you can't get the main neighbourhood sims to move out, so it's best not to leave them in your game - I leave mine on the desktop so they're handy when I need to stick them back in!

Hope everything works for you!

Please help me to understand how this hack works.
If you have it installed does it automatically check for errors and attempts to fix them or do you have to manually select the options for each lot when you notice a problem or want to do something (like generate random sims)?

Thanks.

Manually. On a side note, thank you for bringing this thread back up to the top, I never would've noticed the Lot Debugger has a Nuclear War edition otherwise.

So does an error log pop-up notifying you of errors for you to address or do you have to figure out for yourself what needs to be fixed?

Thanks.

Error logs only pop up with testingcheats enabled, don't they? I think you need to figure out for yourself what needs fixing.

A menu pops up with stuff you can fix.  For example, if you have a stuck kicky bag on the lot, you get the option to nuke it.  If no stuck kicky bags exist, you won't get the option.

You always get the option to Fix AWOL Headmaster, but you probably already know if you have a headmaster problem.  The other options are either always available, like upgrading a pre-Uni Sim, or not shown if you don't have the problem.

Hook

Well, technically, that option appears as long as there's a headmaster controller to be removed. It should disappear if you've already done it, thus destroying the headmaster controller until it respawns from reloading the lot or trying to invite a headmaster. It doesn't necessarily mean the controller is corrupt, as there's no reliable way to detect the corrupted state, merely existence. Same story with party controllers: If it's there, the option to remove it will appear, regardless of whether the party is broken or not.

Off-world loiterers is another.  It will appear any time your sim is on the phone, and I think it will appear when random sims are walking by.  So if you see this option, you would first verify neither of these are occuring before hitting clear.  If someone is walking by and you do this, I don't think anything bad will happen.  If any sims were on the phone, though, they'd jump and suddenly not be on the phone anymore.

I've also seen Clear stuck refrigerator tiles on a couple of occasions, but someone was actually standing in front of the fridge at the moment, so I didn't do anything.  It went away as soon as they moved.

Okay thanks.

Pescado, I just asked this question on another forum but since you are currently reading over here I will ask. (anyone else who knows can respond of course)  :)

Will this hack allow me to open up all career path options (actual jobs not rewards) for my sims if I do not have Univ installed?
If so, how?

Thanks.

Thanks JM for adding a descriptive list of all the functions coming with it.  Very much appreciated.  :-*

Now I need that new shiny version  :)

No it won't since the 4 new careers are not in your game right now, they are only available if you have install University.  They are part of that expansion pack only.

Thank you.

MissDoh, thanks for mentioning the new descriptions.  I just read them again and saw all the new updated options.  Much shinyness!!!

What is the "iceskater" effect?  (XVI. FIX FUNKY MOVEMENT)  I don't think I've seen this.  Under what circumstances would it happen?

I am especially happy to see these two.  I asked for something like this a long time ago.

YES!  I had a sim child reset just the other day during a burglary and lose his smart milk.  I was sooo annoyed - as it was Friday night on the lot, and I was looking forward to 2 simdays of smart milk-enhanced, parent-assisted skilling.  At the time I wished there was a way to restore the effect.

[starts muttering under her breath] I must resist the temptation of giving this effect to my CAS sims and to the townies/dormies/NPCs who marry into my households ... Must resist ... Must fight the urge ...

You're stronger than me if you can resist that urge. ;)

Oooh!  An update!  Thanks, JM.

You know, I *CAN* detect for that, you know.

I don't see why CAS sims and NPCs shouldn't be able to get a leg up on skill building since they don't have the advantage of starting as toddlers.

I have used TJ's college adjuster to randomize skills up to no more than 5 in any area, just to give them a head start.

NPCs often start with uber-skill profiles anyway.  Unless by NPCs you mean "NPCs and townies".

I meant townies, I guess, since I've never actually moved in any NPCs.  I use them mostly as fodder for my Romance Sims.

When would the option Make Me Smart/Stupid be available?  I've tried to look for it on different sims with different ages but have not been able to see this in the menu.  I also tried debug mode on and off, unless I'm wrong about "debug mode" being the boolprop testingcheatsenabled.   ???

To access a debug mode option, the test cheat must be enabled and you must shift-click the object. The sim in question must be in a clearly defined state of smart or stupid, and not currently be performing an action.

Perhaps this is wishful thinking, but would it be possible for a sim to use the "upgrade pre-uni sim" feature if you have NL, but not uni?

I only ask because I suspect that functionality might have been included as a hidden part of the NL expansion pack- I have found that after I got Nightlife, a number of downloaded university objects that didn't work before finally showed up in my game, so I think their meshes were included with NL- and many of the uni cheats are available to me now as well.

I just have some queries I wondered if people could answer please.

Is it safe to give majors in simpe?

Would this be a convenient way to cut parties if they're not going well or some disaster strikes and you just want to get shot of the lot of them, or should it be used with caution?

How can you tell if a visitor has stuck motives?

Are the ‘haunted emitters' something left by ghosts or do they sometimes randomly happen?

Oooh, shiiiny.

Is that when they walk with shoulders back, arms wide and kind of leading with their hips? When they're cock-o-the-walk and heading in for a romantic interaction.

I also do this for townies/dormies.  And to bring the excessive stats of NPCs down.

Oh, the "shift click"!!!  Duh!  Thankies, old grouch!

It's possible to do that, but I'm not sure what would happen if you did.

If this option appears, then a guest sim has static motive lock on.

They're usually ghost-related. You'll know the possibility exists when the option appears at all, generally when sims start freaking out at bowls of cereal and lights.

No, I'm talking about the obscure condition when they seem to ice skate across the ground without animating at all. This one's experimental and I wouldn't use it at random.

A couple of things to report regarding my experiences with the newest Lot Debugger:

1) Sims that I allow to transition directly from Teen to Adult & then upgrade with the Debugger don't seem to get Uni career opportunities with either the paper or PC, though they get the Want slots & locks.

2) I have a Uni graduate sim who freezes (no cab, no age transition) after selecting the Move Back to Pleasantview option. I nuke the controller with the Debugger, but get the same result when I have her call to move home again. Also tried TwoJeff's version of this function, with the same results. A taxi does come to the lot if you just call for transportation, so I don't think it's a portal issue. Any advice on how to get her home safely if these fixes don't work?

Thanks for the answers JM.


OK. I'm sorry, I still don't quite understand what a static motive lock is. Is it the sim's needs i.e. food / bladder etc that are affected or is it that green filling bar next to their job details?

Another question, I seem to have acquired a ghost of a townie after using the phone to resurrect the nanny. The lot debugger does not give me the option to get rid of any haunting emitters. Does that mean the ghost itself is not an emitter? I have no gravestone for this ghost.

Motives are the sims needs, such as hunger, bladder, etc.  You know, stuff that motivates the sim to eat and use the potty or find fun stuff to do. ;)

About the ghost, I think this will only appear when the ghost is haunting or something has gotten stuck.  If you have no tombstone, then you shouldn't have a ghost.  So it is normal for you not to have anything related to it on your lot debugger.  If you had it and no ghost was actively haunting, then this would allow you to get rid of those stuck emitters.  Which, as JM said, you'd notice something strange by sims being frightened of certain objects.

Cheers Rainbow. I always think of those food / bladder things as needs, now it makes sense.

I might try resurrecting the townie to get rid of his ghost then. I didn't even know a townie died or how.

I misunderstood.  You mean you have a ghost even after deleting the tombstone?  That is weird.  Deleting the tombstone/urn is supposed to get rid of the ghost.

EDIT:  I went back and re-read your previous post and saw what you said about using the phone to resurrect the nanny.  That is really weird, if it resurrected the nanny and you got a ghost as a bonus!  Wonder how that happened?  Maybe your idea will work though.  Back up your neighborhood just in case...and try and see what happens. :)  Good luck!

I made a sim have a baby so I could call a nanny. Then I moved her in and killed her - death by flies. I used 2J's rewards collection to place a resurrect-o-nomitron. When my sim called Death, here were two sims I could resurrect. The nanny and a townie, Oscar Wilde, I didn't know had died. I selected the nanny. She came back as a zombie. That night I saw the ghost of Oscar Wilde (You have no idea how odd it feels to write that!). He has just been hanging round and haunting since.  ???

Upgrade Pre-Uni Sims is supposed to only give the want slots and locks, not give access to the careers. Unless your Sim goes through Uni, or you cheat somehow, you're not going to get your Sims into the Uni careers.

Not true for me. I have boh EPs, I use lot debugger, I upgrade a sim to 6 wants slots etc and all the careers are available.

Really? I've never been able to access the post-Uni careers by upgrading pre-Uni Sims. Maybe my game is just weird.

Well, if so, then mine is too - I've never been able to access post-Uni careers for CAS adults either.

Perhaps I should clarify my question: I did not mean that they would have options for uni careers, but that they could receive the extra want slots and locks.

I would think that the answer would be, no, since presumably the whole coding for gaining these extra slots would not be available.

Do you have the option to do so?  I wouldn't think this option would even show up on games that don't have Uni installed.  If you do have it, try it and see what happens.  I don't think it will work though, because this is a Uni feature.

The option isn't available if Uni isn't installed in your game, since this also enables the "Graduated Uni" flag, which would wig out if you tried to enable it without having the Uni resources (getting a Uni job with missing uniforms, for instance).

However, in theory, the extra slots and locks would show up, if you used the Jeffian College Adjuster to do it, which may not perform safety checking.

Move her to the family bin in the uni neighborhood and into a small, empty lot. She may be able to move out now - sometimes the dorms and uni houses go funny and after the first sim or two in a batch moves out the rest are stuck.

What I ended up doing with the sim who couldn't move out was basically what you suggested, Renatus. I sent her & her niece (who was in the same dorm) to a community lot on campus & had her call to move home from there, then sent her niece back to the dorm so the game would save. That stuck her in the Uni Neighborhood bin. I couldn't just move her out to the bin from the dorm because a message kept coming up that someone was already trying to move, even after nuking the stuck controller. From the bin I sent her to one of the Maxis-made sim-occupied off-campus Uni houses (to save her the rent cost of an empty lot), and then moved her to Pleasantview from there. Most annoying, but it got the job done!

I had this problem with Beau Broke and used TJs fixes to get him back to Pleasantview.  I then moved them out of the game as they do seem to affect the ability of sims to moved out in the main hood.

I notice this today.  If I use the "RERANDOMIZE SIM GENERATOR" function my Sim will always give birth to the same gender of baby no matter how many times I reload the lot.  If I don't use it my Sim can have either a baby male or female Sim or twins with different genders. 

What I did is use it for a Sim that was about to give birth to twins, I reloaded the lot ten times and she always add twins boys.  I quit the game, reload it and did not use that feature and she had a boy and a girl.  ???  It is not the 1st time I had this happen and I was trying to found out how come I could not have another gender when I reloaded a lot like I use too.  It is actually the 3rd time this happened and that I notice it.

How come by using this feature it determine the gender of the future babies?

Here is a list of all the mods/hacks I have in my game in case some could conflict with each other:

Adbductions higher odds (TJ)
Age transitionfixes (TJ)
CBOy clothing event fix
CBoy furiouswalkby fix
CBoy lessautonimous fighting
CBoy Nocommlotfoodserve
CBoy normalclothespackage
CBoy Sectionalsofafix
Collegeadjuster (TJ)
FFsdebugger (latest version but it was the same with the prior version for Nightlife)
GoSteadycriticalfix (TJ)
hygienebugfix
Merola Multi-painting
moveoutbugfix
NL- schoolbus-bring friend (TJ)
NL - Handheld&MP3noautonomy (TJ)
Noeatcrap (NL version)
Noforcewatchfight
Nowhatthis
phonehack (latest version)
toddlerplaywithtoiletfix (TJ)
vampirefixes


EDIT:  The most odd thing is that eventhough I did not use the rerandomize feature and it was the 1st birth in the game (and I did not created dummy Sims), I had 1 taurus and 1 aquarius Sim (the father is a taurus and the mother is a an aries).  Was something fix in Nightlife that we are not aware of? 

Coincidence. There's no way this would have an effect on the outcome.

The astrology you'd get from a baby is altered by the input parents. However, you'll always get the same output for a first birth, unless you have twins, in which case you'll get the first and second outcomes in the sequence.

The astrology you'd get from a baby is altered by the input parents. However, you'll always get the same output for a first birth, unless you have twins, in which case you'll get the first and second outcomes in the sequence.
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But aren't the 1st born always an aries?  How come none of them is an aries? I am completely confused here please explain more.

I will push my study further though in regards of if it was pure coincidence that I could not change the gender or not and let you know.  The same gender problem did happen to Sims that were having single baby and the first time it happened I reloaded the lot around 20 times, I wanted to have a girl but the game would simply not give me one even after 20 reload without quitting of the same lot.  Could it be one of the other mods I have that is doing that?

The first sim generated in CAS (no input seeds) will be an Aries, because a sim generated under those conditions has null parents. A sim generated with parents as the input will produce a different output that will still always be identical for those particular parents. If you have not generated any sims, the generator will still be on the first output in the sequence, so you'll keep getting that first-output over and over. The exact output will change with different input sims, so will not always be Aries if you are breeding them, but if you quit the game and restart it, and have another baby from those two that spawns right after, it will be identical in personality to the first.

No, no mod can alter the gender of the baby. Believe me, we've tried! For some sadistic reason, Maxis completely forbids any attempt to affect this by hardcode. One thing that CAN affect output is if you save too close to the birth. Saving too close to the birth can lock the outcome in stone for some reason, perhaps also related to the random generation sequence.

I've noticed some odd things in this respect, relating to twins.  Darleen Dreamer was in the process of giving birth to twins when the first one gor stuck in midflight (see my post on this) and eventually I had to quit without saving and reload the lot.  The twins would have been boys, but this time Darleen had one baby successfully, and it was a girl.

However, Kiernan Tricou (who changed aspirations to Knowledge) wanted, of course, to stargaze, so since they were well off, I bought him the expensive telescope (which in my game is the always abduct one) and he got abducted, of course, and pregnant, of course.  He then went straight back to the telescope before I could stop him, and got abducted again.

Anyway, when he came to have his babies, they were twin girls, and the first one got stuck and unclickable after he put her on the floor, went and had a bath, had a meal, drank espresso and goodness knows what else while the poor babies needs were dropping and dropping, and I couldn't access buy mode to even attempt to put the poor thing in a crib.  In the end I decided the game has basically locked up, even though Kiernan and co were all busy doing stuff, so I quit without saving.  I then decided to move Kiernan and Nylissit out and try again on another lot, moved them to my custom hood Laketown, and this time everything went perfectly, and Kiernan had his twins and they were still girls.

It's odd that in one case, the twins were lost, and in the other they weren't - maybe if Darleen had moved house she would have kept hers!

Does the Lot Debugger do anything about a corrupt nanny controller (assuming such a thing is possible)?

On one lot of mine the nanny never shows up when she's supposed to but does seem to appear reliably at half an hour after midnight and sometimes randomly at other times, and when the resident adult calls the nanny service to cancel the contract, the options that come up are the ones that offer to make the contract in the first place (i.e. the phone doesn't think they have an arrangement at all).  I'm hoping the behavior will stop once the kid is a teen (just another couple days now), but I'm not confident.  *8)

(This is the same lot where the outgoing carpool and school bus doesn't drive away, but just sits there until the end of the hour and then vanishes; don't know if that could be related.)

DC

That sounds like you have a portal problem.  Have you tried Crammyboy's portal fix?

The portal bug Crammyboy found was fixed in the NL/Uni patch. Unfortunately the patch didn't fix lots that were already bugged.  Crammyboy has a portal detector - that will warn you if a portal is deleted. DON't put his fix in a patched game.
You can detect and get rid of maids, gardeners and other sims stuck on the lot with hacked items.  I know Merola's mind control mirror and Inge's teleporter shrub plus.  If you have one of them put it on a lot that's having problems and see what it tells you.
Inge's shrub is at www.simlogical.com - navigate to Sims 2.... downloads... teleporters.... shrub plus....

If you have a deleted portal, the easiest thing is to move the family out and delete the lot.  You can fix portals, but I'm told it's fiddly.  Now that Crammyboy is here, you mind find this all on MATY, but I know these two MTS2 links.  One is to his detector and original prevention tool, the other is how to fix the problem once it has happened
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=83684  ..prevention and detection by Crammyboy
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=79045  .. fixing missing portals by Erzengel

Sorry, didn't make it as clear as I should, that was the thing I meant.

The Nightlife patch was SUPPOSED to fix the portal problem.   But the first lot I entered after installing the patch developed the bug  during that session of play.   So  I have put Crammyboy's fix back in. 

I have fixed more than a dozen lots afflicted with the slowdown bug by using Erzengal's portal fix and have had no further problems with any of those lots.  I  won't  move my families simply because of slowdown.  I would rather do without delivery or service people than have to lose everything I have built with that family and start over. 

Crammyboy's portal monitor is compatible with the NL patch.  Also, although one bug with portals being deleted was fixed in the NL patch, another one related to juggling was discovered by Crammyboy.  You can get the fix as well as the portal monitor here:

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=2171.0

I have not had any problems with Erzengel's portal replacement fixes.  You just have to know how to use them.  I am so grateful for this because I no longer have to move sims and bulldoze lots because the carpool is messed up.

hedgekat - I pushed this "supposed to be fixed" point with Crammyboy cos I didn't believe it without proof either! the posts are on MTS.  He said very clearly to take out his fix before you patch as it is fixed.  I did get agreement on that thread that what maxis did, didn't fix problems that were already there.  I stopped before I annoyed everyone with my persistence, but it still seems to me that there might easily be another stupid bit of coding that deletes a portal.  We've all blamed everything on the one Crammyboy id'd for us - cancelling read-me.  But maybe it also happens when you cancel some other action.

I know Crammyboy is going to want to hear from you about your experience.  Please pick up that link I gave and post there - or somewhere here in his bit of the board.

Yeah, thanks; I looked at Crammyboy's portal stuff, but he never mentions a carpool-EXIT portal, and that seems to be what I'm missing (in some sense).  Siimlarly, my problem with nannies isn't that they get stuck on the lot (I can always delete them, and in fact I think just dismissing them causes them to summon a van and leave), it's that they show up unexpectedly at random times (and don't show up when they're supposed to); it seems to be the schedule that's messed up, rather than a portal...                  DC

Have to say, we've most all of us here had that problem at one time or another.  There are various threads regarding the nannies, and maybe if you go through them all you will find something helpful to your particular problem.  My own personal solution is not to use them at all.

Hi all AS for the nannies I dont use them either as they cause to much hassleI find that the nanny painting on modthesims2 works best.

Where is this nanny painting, and what does it do?

Hi JM,

I had a problem with this Lot Debugger (version 2.0 for NL, of course).

My system includes Nightlife Patched, a lot of other yours hacks (moveout, phone, payatmailbox and so on, all new NL versions) plus
the InSimenator v. 2.2 fixed, plus the entire Security system by IngeJones, twojeff's casual romance, Cboy's nudist hack v.2.05 NL and NL clothing patch, dizzy2's smart lights and smartserve, Monique's Bank controller system.

1. The lot debugger works fine into my lots, no problems here.
2. The problem comes if I send my sims to downtown with their own car (both cases with default or custom cars).
    They go, the downtown lot loads right, all seems to go ok, but, when the car arrives, all my sims disappear and the car rest here
    alone. No live mode buttom (it becomes grayed out), no chance to click on the car to do something. The only way is to use the
    option button to return to the neighborhood without having chance to save.
3. At this point, I re-enter into my lot and (very funny) I can see my sims returnig home with car. Eheheheheh

Once I removed the LotDebugger, no more problems at all.

Final Note. I play with a custom Neighborhood (about 450 total townies, including my own sims and maxis' townies and npcs)
and I use the default Downtown (not modified at all) and also the default Academie La tour as uni.

Any suggestion?

Regards,
Ice

I don't see any reason why this would happen, given that the lot debugger is a self-contained object which, presumably, is not on your community lot, and has no hacks to conflict with. In fact, it doesn't exist at all if you don't install it....

Yes, you're right, the object is NOT on the community lots, only into my residential lots.

But, this isn't my strange dream, I tried two times and two times I had the same problem.
I would try also with the taxi now and then report you what happens.

Maybe a problem related with the carpool bug? (I don't have your fix installed yet).

Ice

Is there by any chance a furious sim at one of the portals when you arrive?

Not sure because I haven't noticed (Anyway I remember to not have seen any "cartoon" with flames, ...maybe...).

BTW, why do you think it's important?

Ice

Well, they cause slowdown, and maybe other things too.  So it could be important.

I read quite a few posts a while back from people having problems with taking cars to community lots mostly on MTS2.  Haven't been looking recently so DK if they went away or are sorted.  One guy said he only had problems the first time, not the second.  So if taking out the debugger coincided with taking the car a second time, you have the same syptoms as him.  doesn't mean it's the same problem of course.

Well, I had some kind of problem with a community lot and a car, but there was a furious sim at a portal at the time, and although the car driver was able to get in the car and drive off to another lot, the teenage passenger couldn't get in the car at all.  Luckily she was back in the house when the driver got home.  The problem was of course, that I couldn't delete the furious sim since it was a community lot.

I am going to try this because I reinstalled and my game is messed up.  I am going to try the force error option but it says do not use while in debug mode,  what is debug mode?

It is when you enter the debug code into the cheat box:  boolprop testingcheatsenabled true

Also referred to simply as "boolprop," but this isn't technically correct since there are many different cheat codes that start with "boolprop,"  Boolprop is short for "boolean properties."

In UK English you have to use upper case for some of the words too, very confusing.  If you open the cheats window and type help, it gives you a list of available cheats.

zz - I usually call it testingcheats - that's better - can we start a trend?

Except in the UK version it's testingCheats!  But at least we'd know which "boolprop" we were talking about.

Silly British games, being all uptight about capitalization. And here I was thinking that it was German that was weird about capitalization.  ;)

This is why I just stick all the cheats I use into a start up file thingy. I actually stole it from someone here. I find it's handy to have debug mode on by default, so I know if the game's acting up. Also, because simDNA only works if I have debug on at start up.

Same here, Oddysey.  I also have the cheat entered in startup for having 8 visitors on a lot at the same time.  I find this is generally a comfortable number for my computer to handle.

Every single time I've tried using it to debug something, my game gets into a mess, I keep getting the same idiotic and useless pop-up and then have to go back to Windows to close down the game.  Maybe it works for some people, but in my game it's a NoNo!

If this is the nuclear war edition, what would you call the next update?

Star Wars!

ooooh...

JM, I've been noticing a lot of problems with the "Upgrade Pre-University Sim" option on the debugger.  I don't know whether the same problem occurs with TJ's Want Slot and Personal Electronics Tree, as I usually use the debugger for this purpose.

What happens is, when I move a sim who has been upgraded out of a house, and into the bin, then into a new house, there seems to always be a problem firstly with moving the sim into the new house.  Game freezes and I have to exit the hard way via Windows, then when I get back into the game, the sim is in the house, so I try to enter the house and the sim is stuck there with the want slots rolling round like crazy, and the additional slots either missing or blank.  I found that I can delete the sim, save and exit, then re-enter the lot and the sim is fine, but it's becoming a real chore moving any sims to new houses!

I don't know if this is specifically a debugger problem, or if it is simply a problem related generally to the extra want slots as I know some people have had similiar problems with graduates, but I did wonder if there was some way the debugger could be adapted to fix the problem.

Try this:

• Before you move your sim out, quit to the neighbourhood screen.
• Enter the lot you want to move your sim into in build mode.
• Make a minor change, like buying a light, and save.
• Move your sim into the lot.

That should fix some of the 6 want slot broken-ness issues...

Sorry, but I don't think this is what causes the problem, the lot is a newly built one which works fine except when the sim has extra want slots. I don't think the problem is due to the debugger, but to an error in the game coding, which is why I wondered if there was a way of fixing it.

To quote TreyNutz's signature, "Just coincidence but it works" ;D, at least to a certain extent. I haven't run into the problem of missing (post-Uni upgraded) want slots when I move sims into a new house that I built, but there were many times I have a lot get stuck on loading screen and I had to do a force quit, or the lot would load but the sim just stood there frozen with spinning wants slots. Now, I visit the lots I'm going to move my sims into right before move-in, even if I had entered it before to 'update' it, and I haven't run into the same problem again.

Sometimes, I would enter those empty lots to make some modifications, pageup/pagedown move around with the arrow keys on the keyboard or use edge-scrolling to look around but then changed my mind, and when I hit F5 to go into neighbourhood view, the game asks if I want to save changes and I go, "but I have't done anything!", but ok, I chose to save. It doesn't happen with every lot but that's why I'm zealous about visiting a lot before I move any sim in :-\.

Well, I'll try it, since two people have recommended it, but I still wish it didn't happen!

Well, it did work, as you said it would, but I've had it happen in the past in a house I'd only just finished building before trying to move the family in.  So there is definitely something, I think, that isn't working properly in the game coding (well, does anything in the game coding work properly?)  And it's so annoying to have to mess about entering a lot first - I don't mind with old lots which would be fubared if I didn't, but in this case the lot is fine, once the sim is finally installed, the lot has no problems, so I just get soooo irritated!

I've had that exact thing happen a good many times too, so I will be trying that also. Move Sims into a new house (or out of their old one and back in) and they show up frozen with spinning wants... A pain to visit the house first, yes, but I prefer it to trying to fix all those empty want slots! It happens with the kids too, so I don't think it's totally to do with the extra slots...

I haven't had it happen with kids, but you don't surprise me!  The first time it happened I thought it was stuff in the Inventory, as it's only ever happened to me post NL, but I think now that they somehow messed up the coding and just hope that someone will come up with a fix!

I've just noticed there is a new version of the file dated 3 Jan 3k bigger than the old one.  The rtfm is the old one.  What has changed?

I can't be sure, but I think there's a fix for stuck flaming bags of poo in it, and possibly a "clear all stuck objects" feature.

There's an option for testing sims' IQ and giving them the stuck smart milk (make me smart) or unsticking it (make me stupid).  There's also something that will force errors, but you shouldn't use that if you don't know what it is, and you should never use it with debug mode enabled.

I've been having an odd problem, and I don't know if it's strictly related to the debugger, or if it's a hack conflict.  I have both EPs, and if I put the debugger object on a lot, the 'woohoo' menu text changes to some odd text about setting the object sim to a portal on the lot.  It especially seems to happen if the resident Sim on the lot is about to woohoo with a NPC visitor, or even a former NPC that's now playable (and may even live on the lot).  I don't think it happens with two CAS sims, or with sims that were born in the game.  It's not a really big problem, since only the menu text changes -- clicking on the odd item still results in a good ol' woohoo. But it took me a couple of attempts (after saving before using the 'new' option) to figure out that that's what was happening.

Anyone else ever encounter this?

I figured it out -- it's a minor conflict between the debugger and the 'safe woohoo' menu that InTeenimator shows when you turn birth control on.  I discovered it when I pulled up the woohoo menu to see if a sim was actively using birth control, and when I turned her bc off, the woohoo menu went back to normal.

I have no idea how in the world this "Inteenimator" can conflict with a self-contained object, but I see this as further proof of it's NON-AWESOMENESS.

That's because it can't.  The "Safe Woohoo" menus are attached to the bed/hottub/booth semi-globals.  This person has a conflict, but it isn't with this mod.  I use the lot debugger in my own game and have never once experienced this.

Non-Awesomely Yours,

J

Well, that would have been my thought also, but with the amount of stuff I've heard go wrong that has been concretely blamed upon this "Inteenimator", at this point I'd believe it if somebody claimed it caused the death of Christ.

JM, perhaps you should check this mod out in your game and give us your awesome opinion!  Or would you be risking a BFBVFS?

The only concrete here is that stored up in the brains of those who are either too stupid or too lazy to read.  It is always the same class of idiot who mindlessly throws mods willy-nilly into their game without any forethought whatsoever about compatibility or even if it is certified for use with their EP.  These people aren't even aware of WHAT is in their game (do you have any idea how many people I come across who have all twenty editions of InSim installed in their game, along side every flavor of InTeen, S2L teen woohoo, and Jenflower's teen woohoo?  whose fault is this?).  These are the types who naively assume that the only thing InTeen does is strap a fat belly on their teenagers because someone from Tender Teens BBS said, "Dude, just go get this mod so your teenagers can screw the neighbor."  They don't even read the friggin' feature list to see what it is they are downloading!  They are the same idiots who praise nothing but complain loudly at the first sign of trouble without ever having done a damn thing to research the problem or help themselves.  In fact, I believe they are incapable of this act.  They lack the mental fortitude of doing so and simply exist from one moment to the next by suckling the teat of those who will.  The questions are always the same, as are the answers.  InTeen ships with a small book containing a wealth of information containing answers to the most commonly asked questions (answers that are often reiterated many times throughout).  Yet, no matter how many times you may lead the horse to water, there will always be those who will never drink.  It is easier to curse the darkness than change the lightbulb.  These witty folk also score remarkably high in deductive reasoning such as, "My toaster pastries won't cook.  Must be InSim/Teen.  All my sims have blue underwear.  Must be InSim/Teen.  My elders can't get pregnant when mating with the mailbox.  Must be InSim/Teen."  These peasants deserve to have their game reduced to rubble and ashes.  And good riddance.  InTeen is among the most heavily tested mod out there, having had a small army of testers hammering at it in a structured QA environment for several months straight.  Many are well-recognized members of this community - many of whom frequent this board and run a veritable treasure chest of mods - including those from this site - most without conflict.  While doubtless there are bugs, the % of actual confirmable bugs reported in the last few months is comparitively remote.  Almost always, solutions exist, but people are just too damn lazy to find them.  If you examine those for whom InTeen works flawlessly, you will discover one common attribute: they RTFM.  Lastly, it is a simple matter of statistical probability.  Inevitably, whenever you have a large mod - which is admittedly quite broad in scope - with a large install base, you will have a proportionate volume of flotsam rising to the surface (an amazing feat for those whose heads are packed full of concrete).  There is always some measure of risk you assume when installing a global mod into your game - even greater when you consider the breadth of functionality supplied by InTeen.  If one is unprepared to take upon themselves that risk and do a little legwork and light reading (Mother of God, at least read the feature list!): then "just say no", and go divest what little brain power one has in a game of Yahtzee instead.

It didn't?

<XXI. RESPAWN TOMBSTONE (debug mode only) (experimental) (NL)
     Regenerates a tombstone for a dead sim. Note that the dead sim must be
     the selected sim, which means you must spawn him somehow, then make
     him selectable and choose this command.>

I tried this and itr worked well. 

Use simlogical teleporter to get ghost on lot. 

Pause game.

Use Merola's Mind Control Mirror to select ghost.

Go into debug mode and shift click on debugger.

Sim will disappear leaving behind urn.

 :D Brilliant rant, Jase, but that was the best bit.

I just tested the woohoo menu + Debugger with birth control on, and nothing's weird in my game...

I might hazard a guess that because of your subject matter, a lot of the people downloading it are underage and thus may be far more annoying than would otherwise be the case.  For some reason there's nothing quite like an annoying preteen/teenager to make me, at least, want to go on a homicidal rampage.

Okay, my question is about the randomizer.  At what point in the pregnancy process does this need to be activated to work?  At the onset of labor?  I saved a few hours before my sim was scheduled to give birth, used the randomizer and actually quit the game for the night.  When I restarted the next day, she gave birth to a child identical to the first (same zodiac, and personality points, etc).  I changed the child in SimPE, but would like to not have to.  So when should I save and use the randomizer to randomize offspring?

C

Any time before the "new family member on the way" popup. The problem in your case was that you quit playing, therefore resetting the Sim generator to the default personality.

Sorry if I offended you, jase, but it was unintentional.  I'm quite aware of what hacks I have installed, I make sure they're all compatible with both Uni and NL, and I've read the InTeen docs at least 1/2 dozen times, because it truly is one of my favorite hacks.  I was just stating that that's what I 'thought' might have been the conflict, since it only occurs with the 'Safe Woohoo' menu item.  Since you stated that that menu is tied to the bed objects, then I'll have to look further for the source of the conflict -- might be one of the LizzLoves things I added.  I'll report back after I do some more poking around.

from what I understand about the "first born effect" and the randomizer is that, after each loading of the game, we should run the randomizer.


For the best effect - Should run it before each birth or just once after each loading of the game?

Just sometime before the baby is born. You don't need to run it if you're not having a new character. As Venusy says, quit the game and the sim generator resets to default. I still get the same starsigns in a row, but the personalities and looks of the children differ, starsigns are easy enough to fix in simpe.

While it wouldn't hurt to run it once after every time you load the game, JM once said it was only necessary to run it once during any game session that you expect a baby to be born.  Don't forget to save first, though, because the randomizer will run and quit the lot without saving in order to discard the randomly generated sims.

Thank you  :)

I have used it for ages, I just wondered if I should run it between births in the same play session.

Yes.

ok, cool, I usually would but sometimes I'd forget  ::)  now I will get it drilled into my head so I don't forget again *laughs*

Thank you  ;D

Some concrete of my own, for the record:  I use InTeen (v.1.3i at the moment and have had previous versions as well) and have never had a problem. Of course... I RTFM(s) and don't use mods that obviously conflict with it. It works with all the MATY, SimLogical, and various other hacks I have. I don't have every single hack available on this site installed. A select many though, including teh FFS Debugger and I notice nothing weird/off/wrong.

Jase, you know how AWESOME (that's right I said it) your work is so stuff some cotton in the mouths of those who would install a french-fry and strawberry shake on their HD if someone said they could use it to hit "enter" and eat and keep on.  Many of us love your work.

I thought the answer here was NO - you only need to use it once per game.  The game carries on randomising from whatever new starting point JM's lotdebugger set it to.  subsequent children born in the same playing session were always different - the problem was only ever the starting point.

Here's my own stupid question.  Does it reset the starting point for the whole hood or for that lot only?

That is correct, cwykes.  The problem was that the randomizer would start at the same point every time you start the game.  Babies born during the same play session should be different.  So theoretically, if you never restarted the game, you wouldn't need this.  But once you restart the game, it starts at the beginning, and since most people restart their game every day and maybe one baby is born, then you get the first-born effect.  JM says ironically the only babies that are different a lot of times are twins, because they are born consecutively and the second one is born with the next personality and set of features in the series.  I don't think it would hurt to run the randomizer again though. 

To answer your second question, I think that it would reset the starting point for the whole game across neighborhoods, not just for that lot or hood, because it "shakes it up" for the game engine, because it is equivalent to going into CAS and generating an arbitrary number of Sims with the "dice" icon and immediately discarding them.  This simply automates the process.

I like to use the randomiser for each birth - even when (rarely) there are two births in one play session. Otherwise the children are sequential anyway as you point out is the case for twins, rather than random. I prefer the RL reality of the randomness. Randomising each birth is probably a good habit to get into, it's easy to forget whether it has been done since the game was restarted.

So the simple answer was 'yes'.

Why not leave several pregnant sims just about ready to give birth before you close your game, then when you reload, visit each one in turn (after randomizing)  and let them have the baby?  Wouldn't this mean that each baby after the first would be random?  Next time they have babies on those lots, change the order in which you visit for further randomisation!

Did Nightlife change something? I recently had twins born in one of my neighborhoods and I was all set to adjust their star signs so they would be the same when I discovered they already were the same  :o their personalitys were slightly different from each other also

I'm getting sick and tired of repeating myself on this issue, so the short version: No.

I removed all the LizzLoves stuff, and the problem still occurs.  The only other thing I can think of that causes the 'Safe WooHoo' menu to farkle might be the 'reservable beds' I got off simlogical. Since I'm using them all over town now and would prefer to keep them rather than replace them all  :), I can live with the 'strange text' as long as I remember it really means 'Safe WooHoo'. It's more a curiosity on my part as to why only that one menu item changes, since it doesn't break anything else in the game.

Don't know why this happens, but I've always had the same thing. I adjust the starsigns in simpe.

I have the same problem as jsalemi, but only for the love tub : instead of safe woohoo I have replace candles - 0 asp. No problems with beds or hot tubs, and no problems when the sims are not on birth control.
As jsalemi said, it's not a big problem and I can live with it to.

To anyone who thinks they don't need the Lot Debugger, YOU'RE WRONG. Get it. Put it on every lot. You NEED IT. I don't know how you can play with all the "stuck refrigerator tiles," "stuck kicky-bags," "stuck bills," loitering "offworld visitors," etc. that pile up, but it will get rid of those, and cause your game to run much smoother.

That's all I wanted to say.

Thanks -- I was beginning to think it was just some weirdness in my system. :)

Thanks for the download, Love anything that will improve game performance ;D

I haven't seen this mentioned yet.  If you have debug mode enabled, and you shift-click on the lot debugger, there is an option to "Fudge Astrology" with number options 1-11.  What does this do?  Does it have anything to do with alien abductions?

That option forces the astrology of your sim to a specific sign. It currently doesn't work right.

If it has to do with astrological signs, it seems to me that it would make more sense to use the names of the astrological signs.  I don't know what the numbers correspond to.  I've been using other methods to force my sims' astrological signs, since doing it with debug mode changes their signs.  It never mattered to me much what sign they were called until NL came along with the attraction system.

Uh, yeah. You see, the reason I don't do it by name is for several reasons: #1: That requires that I create individual, specific strings for every single sign. #2: I don't know what they are either. The easy way is just to drag the personality bars around until they match the sign you want, then note what number does NOT appear in the debugger, and then drag the personality to where you WANTED it to be, then set the sign back. Great way for setting the astrologies of, in particular, MATY sims, who, because they are based on real people, don't have personalities which necessarily match signs.

Quick question about the randomizer, how long does it take after you select randomize for it to regenerate and quit the lot? I ask because I have selected the randomizer after saving the lot and I get the pop up, but it never quits or does anything beyond the popup. I haven't had a problem with mini-me's yet so either it's working (?) or it's a non issue currently in my game. Although I dont have that many births happening currently either.

It takes a few seconds (less than a minute, in my experience) before it returns to the neighborhood view.

Are you getting the second popup that states how many objects were fixed?

Karen

No just the one randomizer popup that says its going to quit the lot and then nothing happens.

Maybe you have a hack conflict somewhere, because that's definitely not normal behavior.  You should always get a message saying how many objects were fixed, and only then does it exit to the neighborhood.

Karen

How long are you waiting? in my game the length of time varies before the second pop up, pops up. the more it's randomiizing the longer it takes ie; 13 "fixed objects" results in only a short wait but 27 takes much longer, long enough that the first time I thought it had froze or something (and I'm on a fast computer)

It doesnt freeze or anything, everything is just as it was before I clicked on it. I can continue to play etc and it never exits the lot. I get the one pop up warning and that is it. Its supposed to fix things? I thought it was supposed to randomize the next birth not fix something. What is it fixing?

odd, you must have a defective version, I suggest redownloading *giggles* seriously you may have a hack conflict but I have no idea what it could be conflicting with  ???

the "fixed however many objects" message dosen't mean it actually "fixed" anything...unless you think of it as fixing the first born effect, which it does do  :D


After clicking on it, you should get a message like "do you really want to do this" (god I have a bad memory and I use the damn thing alot!) after saying yes, it should pause/freeze your game, then a message should pop up saying how many objects it has fixed and then it takes you back to the neighborhood screen.

The "objects fixed" is actually referring to how many sims were randomly generated, which it must discard by exiting without saving.

FIX BROKEN MOOD BOOSTS:  Fixes the platinum-asp mood boosts for all sims on the lot.

I've read all the posts and still don't quite understand this. Sometimes a Sim will have wants and even though they fulfill several wants they don't get an aspiration boost on any of them. Along with this, sometimes the want stays in their want slot but at other times the slot rerolls-without an aspiration boost. But when I click on the debugger the option to FIX BROKEN MOOD BOOSTS doesn't appear. But then at other times when they are actually getting their aspiration boosts correctly and I click on the debugger for another reason (like randomizing before giving birth) the option is there.

Am I supposed to enable cheats, or shift click or what is it I am doing wrong? And why does the option only seem to appear when their asp boosts are working correctly?

BTW, I noticed the update on the debugger today. The one I was using was dated 14 Jan 2006. So I downloaded it and will try to see if it is different, but I didn't see any documentation saying that part of the debugger had changed.

Would it be possible to add a 'nuke orphan sound effects' option to the debugger? I have one house in particular where the SSX3 sounds come up for no reason, and it's driving me batty. I deleted the video game player, the computer is no autonomy, but the sound still plays. Also, it happens with sinks sometimes, they'll finish but the water running sound still goes. That's not as annoying as the other, though, since you can delete the sink but I have no way to get rid of whatever's creating that sound...

I'm having a problem with the expensive shower ALWAYS continually running water after the sim is done.  The water animation continually plays even though the shower isn't "broken".  I can sell the shower and buy a new one, but as soon as a sim uses it, it will continue to flow water.

C

I agree, that would be wonderful.  I had one last night that looked like it was broken, but there was no option to repair.  So I forced and error on it and reset it.  No one could use the shower though, because there were two puddles in front of it, which I don't understand.  Once I got a sim to clean up the puddles, they could use it.  The sink dripping is annoying as well.  I don't know if there is anything that can be done about that.  Someone said it meant the sink was going to break soon, but it seems like it does it all the time in one house, even after it's been repaired.  ???

I think it more than likely is another dumbass bug or glitch.  ::) It happened to me earlier with a sink. Was driving me batty! I sent the sim to the sink to wash his hands and that made the water turn off.  Glad to know it isn't just me having that problem...lol

So, what exactly does "decimate neighborhood" do, that we should not use it (other than kill a bunch of sims)?

And if we shouldn't use it, why is it included?

Because somebody begged and whined for it. That doesn't mean it's a good button to push.

Is it a Pandora's Box button?

I want to try it. ;D

Of course it is.  He should have named it Pandora's Button.  Any time someone says not to do something, people feel compelled to do it anyway.  If you must play with it, I highly recommend backing up your neighborhoods as someone else mentioned, if they mean anything to you.

I've downlaoded the new version ( I presume the new version is the one on page 1 of this thread?) and I don't have the option to decimate neighbourhood  ???

Is this the right version and if so, why no option?

I never presume the newest version is in the thread, unless it's a brand-new thread.  Try downloading the version off the list in Hacks (off the front page).

Thanks Blue...

I know I should never presume anything with Pescado and his errm...'filing' system  ::)

are you in debug mode?

XXVIII. Decimate Neighborhood (debug only) (do not use!)
     10% of your neighborhood is randomly given the death token, causing
     immediate death on lot load. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION. Will give warning
     box if you attempt to touch it.


I used to wonder why MAKE ME SMART/STUPID didn't show up for me  ::)

Yeah I am/was etc. Sleepycat

I think I did actually download an older version (silly aussie!!)  ::)

Double post I know but anyway.....

So I decimated my neighbourhood ( which is fine because I have no particular attachment to any of the sims living there) and it informed me that I have 48 dead (or killed) sims.

What I'd like to know is, who died, because all of my neighbourhood sims still seem to be in their lots.

Did it kill townies or something?

that could be very handy *laughs*


I believe you are supposed to get the "so-and-so has died on another lot" message after entering each "affected" lot (I've sometimes had that message take awhile to show up ::) )

Fair enough Sleepycat...

I entered each lot very briefly, just to see if all the sims living there were still there and they were....maybe I have to play each lot for a while to get the message...though they all seem to be in the lots when I enter them....I guess it's just a 'wait and see' scenario perhaps  :)

here a link to the thread where this option was discussed
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=2737.0

Once, Erin Grunt (formerly Singles) was pregnant and died at her brother Loki's wedding party unbeknownst to me.  I entered her home lot to play it, and I noticed that she looked very strange, she was kind of whitish and transparent.  I had left her skiiling Creativity with Macrotastics, and she continued to do so, but no one could interact with her.  This continued for a long time, until I cleared her queue.  I then got the message that she had died on another lot and she would return there in spirit.  I didn't know where she had died at that point, so I searched everywhere to see where she might have died, LOL.  Then I remembered she was a guest at the wedding, and I found her urn right outside the bathroom in Loki's bedroom.  So I had Loki resurrect her.  Being a Mad Scientist, it just seemed fitting that he should do it.  Besides, he had more money than General Buzz.  She then went back to live with her husband and had the baby and everything was fine.

I've seen that thread Sleepycat....

it didn't really give me the info I was after.....

it would be good if after you decimate the neighbourhood, that the pop up would tell you who has been decimated, insted of the 'guesswork'  ???

Heh, well, if that's what it takes. ;D I will use it anyway, though (after backing up, of course). If that assignable gravestone I used to have pre-NL still works with NL, all the better, then the decimated dead can have their tombstones too...

The assignable gravestones don't work anymore, they mess up your game, at least they did to mine.  You don't need them anyway, there is a mod on this site to spawn fresh tombstones for any sims who have lost one or never had one (as long as they have character data).  You can get it here: http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=2083.0

Later ...
I have now had a chance to check-out the option that kills off Sims.  I tried it out in my original Pleasantview and it got rid of 57 Sims, roughly the same amount I got rid of when I had my mass delete a while back.  Although I like the idea, in practice it wasn't as good as I'd hoped.  The main problem was that far too many NPC's were killed-off, which is a pointless exercise insofar as they will just regenerate.  I lost all 3 dorm cooks for a start, plus a Count, a Slob, a couple of DJ's, 4 Professors ... the majority of the Sims killed were NPC's.  The playable Sims lost were 10 male adults, 2 male elders, 2 female adults, 1 female elder, 3 teens, 1 YA and 2 toddlers.  Three downtownies went (1 elder, 1 teen, 1 child) and 1 townie (Goopy of all people).  I also lost a townie adult female who shouldn't have been there as it was the file of a previously deleted Sim that had somehow appeared back in SimPE.  There were also 8 already dead Sims killed again, although I did get a great deal of pleasure when I saw that Mary-Sue had died for a second time. 

I also noticed that the Sims were still classed as resident on their original lots when I went in, although they didn't show on the resident panel.  In one case, a carpool arrived and left again - it was 6pm so I assumed it would have been bringing the dead Sim home from work.  At the same time, he received a phone call.  I checked with Inge's bush and he was still shown as being part of the family, so I teleported him in and spawned his tombstone, at which point he moved into the Default household.  I didn't receive any messages saying the dead Sims had died on another lot until they'd had their tombstones spawned.  I also teleported in a dead Sim from another lot and he behaved like a normal visitor (very much so, he went straight to play on the swing).  This Sim had not had his tombstone spawned, so was still part of the household.

The main problem though is that none of the family members get a memory of the Sim's death, so they don't react to it, so for me at any rate it would be necessary to go through all the relevant Sims and add the memories.  I don't like cowplant deaths for the same reason, there's no memory of them.  Whether that's intentional or a Maxis mistake, I don't know, but I strongly suspect the latter.

Anyway, I would still like to see something else to get rid of Sims.  I'd like a sort of random illness effect where Sims can suddenly become ill and pop-off without warning.  Not only would this help cull the neighbourhood, it would also add some suspense to the game (something which is sorely lacking).  I'd like to see Sims sometimes die from fighting (it happens in real life) and I'd occasionally like to see accidents other than just electrocutions, such as Sims (esp. nannies) run over by the school bus or carpool.  I just want more 'Will it happen in this lot?" suspense stuff really, whether it be deaths or something else.  I'd also like to reverse the change in the NL patch that stopped deaths from occurring on community lots (I don't know why they did that). 

The main thing I noted was that JM Pescado was NOT killed-off. 

Thanks for that test run and all that info. Pretty interesting stuff!


So... the nocorruptdeathmemorythingamabobhack doesn't fix this? Do death memories specifically mention what method a sim died of? I don't remember... and... cowplants don't create death memories for the living sims?!?! Not even the related ones? Wtf is up with that? You would think that a death should be some generic function that, no matter how or where a sim died, at least the immediate family would be telepathomagically notified. Sims seem to be telepathic for just about everything else, including who is using the private toilet up on the second floor parent's bedroom. ::)

I realize that sims usually get the death memories if they witness them... but what about sims who died on other lots? Wouldn't the sims who are from the same household realize that their loved one died?!?!

For the cowplant deaths, is it that only the witnesses get memories of the death? Or no one at all gets death memories?


Ooooh... I'd love to see that as well. This would probably have to be added to thefightclub if you wanted to have random death by fighting. Perhaps it could depend on mood, motives, and or aspiration failure. I remember reading somewhere here about someone letting their sims run loose after getting caught in an affair. The spouses fought all the time, and the wife had low motives. After breaking out into a fight again, the wife died (presumably of hunger) and the hubby just laughed. It was probably the hunger that killed her, but still that was kind of amusing and surprising to hear about. Maybe if a sim has really low needs (energy, hunger, and/or comfort?) and in a really bad (red) mood or low aspiration/aspiration failure, there could be a random chance of death after the fight.

I'd also like to see a bit more randomness with death and what not. Not to be morbidly obssessed with death, but you're right, sims kind of live extremely long lives, and it's fairly easy to keep them going. I know this is more of a simulator and not a game that's really meant to be challenging for "hard-core gamers" or whatever, as someone pointed out, but still, it would be nice to be surprised now and then.


Pescado mentioned something about this in another thread, I forget where, but it's a bad idea for sims, at least playable ones, to die on comm lots. Something about, if a sim dies on a comm lot, and they are the only playable one, then there is no one to "return home" and you can't save on comm lots either. Something to that effect, I don't remember the exact words. But that I guess it makes sense to me. I don't remember ever having any deaths (at least not of my playable/selectable sims) on comm lots before. I might have seen a townie death once on a comm lot, but that was kind of rare and probabl due to some bugginess. I think he got stuck somehow, starved most of the time, and then got unstuck somehow ::) and died of hunger. :P


Why does that not surprise me? lol. I bet the ol' bloody bastard is a resilient mofo, tough to kill in-game as in real life. Apparently, even death can't sneak up on him. ;D

Ste

IIRC, they don't. I used to grab townies with the mind control mirror as they walked past, spawned the TOL&D and killed them off. Checked the memories of family members who were home at the time and witnessed the death, it only said '[insert name] had died'. The last victim was fugly npc Gordon King. I had wanted to see what colour the ghost of a sim who had starved to death would be, or if they are even visible when they come out around the 3rd day to haunt (in the base game on another pc, I had weird episodes of floating cutleries stabbing away at plates of food and invisible sims my playable ones were talking to in the hot tub, yet I don't see any tombstones/urns on the lot), so I summoned him onto the Broke's lot, killed him off and all Dustin remembered was Gordon King died :-\.

I've had only 2 cowplant deaths, both intentional and only because I wanted to see how it works with the 'milk' and zombie thing. Frankly, it freaks me out. The plant with udders, I mean :P. Never did it again, and kinda glad I didn't because of all the reports surrounding the lack of death memories if sims kick the bucket this way :P.

Just grabbed what I assume is the newest version and noticed an option to "Wipe Mystery Sim Memories".  I absolutely love this.

Dear God, you have such a huge security gap in your system! 

Sorry for posting this here.  This is Doc Doofus (You know me from other forums, been around a long time.) 

I found this thread through Google, and was reading it, and wanted to add a comment, then noticed, just now, that it has me logged in as TaWanda!  Holy Moley!  I can only assume this is because I came in through this link:

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=1ffdc38901d7d654cecdbec60e2f57c6;action=post;topic=72.0;num_replies=282

I can also read TaWanda's PM's (although I won't read them, being a polite person).  However they are available to me, which should be upsetting. 

JM, you might want to figure out what's going on and fix it.  I only post this here as a well-meant warning.  Not trying to cause trouble at all.  If I can do this, others can as well, and maybe with other accounts. 

I'll get my own login to post my comments.  (I think I may already have an account).

About Randomize Sim Generator, and getting stuck on one gender...

Somebody mentioned that, way above, and I have experienced the same thing, multiple times now.  I don't think it's just bad luck, but seems to be an honest loop in the random number generator.

Since, as I understand it, the FFS Lot Debugger doesn't replace the Sims' random number generator, but, rather, reseeds it, I tend to think the problem is in the game .exe file.  I speculate that Maxis probably made their own random number generator, rather than using the C Standard Lib one, and did a hokey job of it.  A poorly designed random number generator can go into a perpetual loop, and that's what seems to happen here.

I have had it where I just get boy, boy, boy...  ten, twelve, fourteen, twenty times, before I give up on it.  It's possible, I suppose, that reseeding the RNG may invite the loop condition.

I have observed, however, that exiting to the neighborhood and using the CAS screen to make a dummy temporary Sim will jog it out of this.

When the sex gets stuck like this, the faces generated for the babies (tested by growing them up) will still change.

....  Other issues...

I have had a problem several times now where a particular Sim becomes unable to exercise any of the gym equipment.  Mousing over the gym gives no clickable options.  I am not SURE...  But I think that the times that I have experienced this, it happened with recent invited move-in Sims.  Doing a Force Error on the Sim or the Gym doesn't help.  Other Sims can still use the gym, but one particular Sim can't.   Delete/Replace doesn't help.  A different type of exercise machine doesn't help, either.  (The TV, I think, can still be used to exercise.)   I have had it happen on a Downtown lot and on University Lots, twice.  The only fix that I have found is to move the Sim out and then move them back in from the Sim Bin.

This isn't a problem with the Lot Debugger, but I only mention this as another problem that it might be nice if the Lot Debugger could fix, in the future.

Somebody mentioned above a problem where student Sims get stuck doing College/Research with the bookcase.

I think I know how this happens, but I'm not sure because I didn't hear enough details.  If you are doing Research and you invite another Sim to do Research with your Sim, that Sim will come over and study... and study... and study... until you shoo them or something else intervenes, like maybe a mood failure.  They don't seem to be able to easily break out of Join Research on their own.  That's probably fixable with a hack.

The same thing can occur if you invite a Sim to join you at chess but you bail out before he gets to the board.

This is actually a known condition. The problem is called "Stuck Selectableness". The Lot Debugger should include a fix for it, but if the option is not appearing, or the sim remains stuck, simply save, then delete them with move_objects, then save and exit to force them to respawn by the mailbox.

In the famous words of Professor Julius Sumner Miller, "Why is this so"..... ???

I have a big problem..I have 2 corrupted dorms...the sims after graduating cannot not move out! I tried to nuke them with the lot debugger...it doesnt help..I installed the new patch ...and it didnt help ..I  really dont know what to do..(I hope I dont have to reinstall my game.) Any suggestions? :(

I had this problem recently at the frat house I've been using.  I moved them all out and into another house.  Then I moved them out of that one and back into the one where they were.  I did a test, and he was able to call home and graduate.  So I reloaded the game and had the graduation party like I planned.  Since I used Inge's shrub to make objects stay at moveout, they didn't have to refurnish the house.  They just had to pay another $20 for a Greek charter, and it wasn't long before they were back at Level 6.  People say moving the sims to another house will solve the problem, but I didn't want to have to refurnish their house.  I had everything already set up like I wanted it.  Fortunately moving them out and back in seemed to fix whatever it was.  Moving them out to the bin and back didn't seem to work, I had to move them into an empty lot first.

I have done something like...used the teleporter to take them to another house and let them call home...but now that house is corrupted too because they cant move out from there! I am afraid the whole neighbor is going.!  :(

Well, I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but by having them move out of the house and into a new one, I think it reset something.  Perhaps by teleporting them instead of using the move out function of the game, whatever it is didn't get reset properly.

I never seem to get that problem since NL, but maybe it's because I don't use Greek Houses and dorms much!

Somehow I don't think it has to do with being a Greek house or a dorm.  I have never had that problem before.  I'd only heard other people talk about it.  So I don't know what happened this time.  I wish I did.  I had been throwing a lot of graduation parties, and then all of a sudden, it quit working.  The party ended, it was a roof raiser, and he didn't grow up and graduate.  Calling to move home did nothing either.  The sorority house worked fine, so it was just this one lot.

Odd!  I mean, on the lot I've just been playing, Georgia went to the bathroom just before she was due to grow up, and Steve, her fiance, followed her in and sat on the loo, so she couldn't get out.  I thought, this is it, trouble!  But no, she started to grow up there, then teleported to the front of the house and the taxi came as it should and off she went!  No problems!  I have JM's moveoutbugfix installed, but none of TJ's exam or graduation mods.

And I can't see why the moveoutstaythingsshrub should be necessary in Uni.

De-lurking with a (possibly dumb) question.

The debugger is not showing up in my catalogue at all.  Nor do any of the other MATY hacks appear to work in my game (they're still trooping all over the house to put coffee cups down, for instance).  It's a fresh re-install, custom content is enabled, both EPs.  The only other hacks I'm using are a censor blur remover, a lighting mod, and one to change townies' names, and all of those work. I deleted the Pescado hacks and re-installed them.  Nothing.  Also, other custom objects aren't showing up -- only recolours seem to be working.

What's wrong?

Where exactly are they?  I have all mine in Downloads>Hacks>Pescado/TJ/Crammyboy etc. and they all work fine.

I have what appears to be the latest version of the debugger (Jan 26) and I am not seeing many of the shiny options people here are talking about :( What could be wrong?

Some options only show up under debug mode (shift+click on lot debugger box) and some only show up if there's that problem on the lot.

Yeah, but I'm not seeing the "upgrade pre-Uni Sims" which is suppose to fix moved in mascots and the like, right, so they'll have the right number of slots and such? I have a house with two former mascots living in it now and neither have the right slots and the option isn't showing up.

They're in Downloads\Hacks.  I even tried moving them up into the main Downloads folder, but it didn't help.

It doesn't work for college dropouts. Only people who never went get the option.

Right; you need TwoJeffs College Adjuster Plus to fix ex-dormies/NPCs from University.  It'll let you fix their want slots and locks, grades, etc.

I thought they were supposed to "graduate" when you moved them in with their boyfriend/girlfriend/etc?  ??? That's what I'd always heard, I thought...

Moving mascots into the main hood is a problem, maybe the debugger just doesn't recognise them?

Oh that could be...they supposedly fixed the mascots, but we know how accurate Maxis is when it comes to what they've fixed :P

No, they drop out. If they'd graduated, then they would have 6 want slots. They weren't booted out, as then they'd have 4 fear slots.

In the case you described, the effect is the same as if they had selected Call.../College, then Registrar - Drop Out (I can't actually remember the name for that option, but it's something like that). I think what the debugger looks for is any indication of if they went to college, and bases the logic for displaying the Upgrade Pre-Uni Sims option on that.

And since they will have the Went to College memory, the debugger presumably assumes they are not pre-uni sims!

But you can use the electronics tree from TJ to give them the extra slots.

If the game thinks they're already graduated, the option won't appear because the graduation data is corrupt. Use the Jeffian College Adjuster to add the missing items manually.

And next time, move them into a college lot and make them work like everyone else to get their degree! ;D

Ah, okay, I must've misheard something somewhere along the line. Thanks for the help all. :)

LOL ZZ, it's for a legacy so I'm not sure if that would be within the rules or not ;)

Well, I suppose it depends on the rules! ;D

Just an off-the-cuff question - you have enabled viewing of custom content in your build/buy catalogues have you?

No, that's not always true -- I just moved a college dormie in with his boyfriend, and while he didn't get the extra want slots, he did come with a graduated memory and a diploma.  According to the Prima guide at least (I know, not always the best source of info), the status of a dormie becoming playable by moving in with a playable sim is supposed to track the playable sim's status.  IOW, if the playable graduted, the game treats the dormie as graduated; if the playable dropped out, the dormie dropped out.  The College Adjuster lets you easily make them 'true' graduates, by giving them grades and the extra want slots and locks.

Yup, Witch. I am a custom-content junkie ;) so I definately keep it enabled. I can buy the debugger, just wasn't seeing the options I expected.

Does the "move in" option work in Uni now, then? I haven't tried it since before the first NL patch (maybe even before NL, I don't remember) and it sure didn't work for me, and someone somewhere told me it was broken :P

I've always managed to get dormies to move in - but you can't do it in dorms if they already live there!  But if they are friends and your sim lives in a house (not a Greek House) then your sim can just ask them to move in.  If it's a Greek House, then you'd have to go through the normal procedure, i think.

Another thing you can do, of course, is to use the mind control mirror and the teleporter and get them to find own place - but you always, I think, need to unattached members of the default house on the lot for it to work.  Once they are in the Students' Bin, they can be treated like any other student - since they will only have 500 simoleons if you do it this way, they would presumably have to move into a dorm first.

Now I'm confused - I thought it was paranoidandroid who was having problems? And ZZ was helping her/him?
I think we might have crossed our wires here.  ???

That's the trouble with long and involved threads!  Lots of crossed wires.....

Oops! I should have looked more closely to who you were responding to :D I jumped in and started pestering everyone too, so ZZ was helping both of us, being such a lovely helpful person. The wires were crossed on my end, as is so often the case :P

Now I'm confused! ;D  But did I help?

LOL

Yes you did :)

That's good to know! 

I have a couple of sims who's diploma's changed to other sims when first sim moved out.  How do I use the debugger to re-issue the diploma to the sim.  It does say only works in debug mode.  Now does that mean I have to use the boolprop testingcheats enabled true, and then am I in debug mode?  I did that and the box did not give any options of reissue said sims diploma.  If not then can I get some details for dummies on this procedure.

Does the sim in question still have a diploma, even if it's the wrong one?

No she doesn't.  What I did was move in Tiffany from Univ with Brittany from Univ.  I put each girl's diploma's on their respective bedroom walls.  Then I moved Tiffany in with her boyfriend Nova but I forgot to put her diploma back into her inventory.  So now both diploma's are in Brittany's name.  I tried moving Tiffany back in with Brittany but both diploma's are still in Brittany's name and inventory mode won't allow me to grab those diploma's and put one in Tiffany's inventory.  I no longer take any sim's diploma out unless I want them to read it, too many things to remember to put in inventory when moving sims around I guess.

I do appreciate any help on this, thank you.

Did you shift-click on the Debugger while in debug mode?  Debug items only appear in debug mode by shift-clicking on the object like all other debug options.  Just enabling debug mode doesn't cause them to show up.

I wonder if selling them would allow the re-issue of diplomas?

I did have it enabled, but I had the enable/disable dialog at the beginnning turned off -- and reversing that seems to have fixed the problem, for some reason.  All my custom content works now, including the Pescado hacks.  (Phew.)  Thanks.

I do realize that I have to be in debug mode but I wanted to know if that means I have to use the boolprop testingcheats enabled true, and then am I in debug mode?  I did try that and I shift-clicked on the FFS Lot Debugger Box but it did not give any options of reissuing any sim's diploma.

So thats what I need to know.

Yes, if you enter the boolprop testingcheatsenabled true code in the neighbourhood view, and then enter the lot, you are now in debug mode.

If you get the buyable career and aspiration rewards collection from TJ, it should have buyable diplomas in it.  I think, if I remember rightly, you get the option to assign it to a particular sim, and then, I think, their degree shows up.  (I used it when a repo man decided to take the diploma!)

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=1190.0 (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=1190.0)

TJ says the diploma will be assigned to the first sim who views it.

Guess it should work then.

Is there a solution in this item to one of the problems I'm having?

When I have a kid about to go to college, and he's lagging behind badly in aspiration score, one completely reliable method of getting him to platinum before his birthday is to send him out on a date.  I used to do this regularly, until I realized the problem it was causing.  I used to send them out to college almost immediately after getting back from their date, so the sim was no longer living at the house.  The problem came when the programmed in follow-up outing invitation with one of the dated sim's friends came with a phone call.  Since the collegebound sim's no longer living in the house, essentially you get a phone call every single day from the same sim, with the message that since the sim isn't at home, he'll just call back.

Any way to disable this or reset it so I can avoid these useless phone calls?

Have you moved the teen sim into a dorm or residence at college, so they "grew up?"  I don't know of anything on the Lot Debugger that would solve this problem, though, sorry.  I thought that after they called once and they learned they didn't live there anymore, they wouldn't call anymore.  If you haven't played the sim since you moved him to college, he is in limbo.  I've moved teens to college and then continued to play the regular neighborhood, and my teen sims will continue to bring them home from school and work just as if they were still living at home.  Maybe you could try playing the teen sim at college for a bit, maybe have them interact with the sim they dated.  Maybe they'll get the idea they've moved, LOL.

Just move him into a house or a dorm and he'll no longer be a problem, even if you don't actually play him.  Also, bear in mind that while he's in the bin, his family and friends will gradually lose relationship points with him, as he can't be contacted, but once he's in a house, they can all keep in touch.

I think you're assuming something from rainbow's post that isn't actually happening.

The university sims who are getting calls at their parents' house for a followup outing are moved into lots, and I have played them for quite a while in some cases (six semesters).

Maybe you should have made that clear to begin with.  Sounds like you have something else causing this to happen, maybe an incompatible hack or something like that.

> XXVI. Wipe Mystery Sim Memories
> Removes all irrelevant "Mystery Sim" memories on freshly created so your sims can experience the relevant moments with some real sim instead of blabbing about this mystery sim thing.

Would it be possible to make the same kind of a command to wipe the memories pointing to unknown sims ($Subject)? It wouldbe so big help, versus "pecking" those one by one in SimPE? Thanks.

Hmm. That'd be tricky. I'll think about it.

Is there any way to get the lot debugger to clear off the annoying out of stock signs that appear off in far corners of the lot? I can't even delete them on my one lot because they only show up in play mode and then magically disappear in buy mode.  :P

I managed to get rid of some by restocking them, even though I paid and didn't get the damned item, but some of them are 'craftables', specifically pies and cakes and I'm really not up to baking a whole mess of them just to get rid of those damned signs.

Dunno. Will look into the possibility of removing all out-of-stock items.

Yes, those are a pain too. Sometimes I don't want to delete every damned sign by hand.

Currently being worked on.

You can delete them if you force error on them and choose delete. There usually is a whole bunch of them so it may seem it's not working but the signs have different numbers so you can see it is different ones that are deleted. I'm mentioning this because the first time I tried this I didn't think it worked.

It seems like there is either none teleporting or at least 5-10 at the same time. Today it seems there was more signs at the corner of my home business lot than I had sold that day (the store had been restocked the night before).

yes its OFB compatible but get it from the OFB hack directory (it's the best place to get the newest versions)
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/ffs/ofb/hacks/

What is the purpose of "Fix Work State"?  This seems to be a new option with the latest version.

Karen

Going out on a limb here, but I bet it fixes it so that a Townier or visitor sim on a lot who works at the lot but is not currently "at work" quits acting like they are "at work".  May also fix those sims you Fire, but who insist on coming to work and pretending they're working, taking your money, but not doing any work, and not getting the hell out of dodge when you tell them where they can shove it.

That's a good idea, but this function was primarily made for when sims would warp home from work (and thus be penalized for missing it, and be unable to go BACK via car without the dreaded, nearly permanent, late for work strike that is even worse than missing work!).

I will certainly include the removal of "Bad Jobs" like being an employee of a null business, though.

Isn't that what Theo's hack did?  The functionality of 'nuke all bad memories' is supposed to be going into a future version on SimPE.

Actually, I intentionally left the "Mystery Sim" memories untouched, only memories with an invalid owner instance would be removed - more specifically, the corrupt death memories were the intended target.

I thought unknown ones were the bad ones and mystery sim was a different maxis created set given to all new adults and townies..  Just ignore me - like my siggy says, I know enough to be dangerous.....

Regarding the Randomise Sim Generator, is this lot-specific or play-session specific?  I have several babies due at once on different lots, so do I need to use it for each lot, or just at the beginning of the run of births?  Also, can I use it when I leave a lot that has no birth imminent, then have it work if I go into another lot where a baby is due (i.e., to save having to enter the birth-due lot and leave straightaway).  Hope that all makes sense.

It's play-session specific (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=72.msg11488#msg11488). I randomise when I keep getting fugly npcs :P.

Since buying my new PC and reinstalling all my Sims stuff, the debug facility on this doesn't work anymore.  All I get is "Force Error", nothing else.  Even the generic stuff (such as the decimator) don't work anymore.  I don't think I've added any patches that I didn't have before, because I'm 99.9% sure I downloaded the OFB patch (well, I know I did), so I have no idea what it could be.  I have added a couple of new downloads, but they were only to do with food so I can't see how they would have affected it.

Before I start removing downloads to see what's what, is there anyway that reinstalling could have caused this?  And yes, I have tried reinstalling the FFS, but it didn't make any difference.  I really need this aspect of the mod to work because I won't be able to spawn any new gravestones if I need them - I tried doing that and the option wasn't there anymore, with it being part of the debug mode set.

Yet another reason for steering clear of yet another set of silly costumes!

Are you absolutely sure you're clicking on the Lot Debugger box?  Maybe you're clicking on the Macrotastics box?

I still get some of the stuff, so I assume I don't get the rest because at present it isn't needed.  I had more problems with the college clock and had to get rid of it and put the old one back in.  (My sims started going for exams at 2 am after I'd planned on 8 am!)

Ancient Sim, do you have debug mode on? Just wondering, because it sounds like you're doing...debug+shift+click. Or I'm confused. Either might be possible. ;)

I always play in debug mode, I always have.  I'm simply shift-clicking on it like I always did, but it isn't working.  Nothing I am doing is any different to what I did before.  Other things have changed since I reinstalled, too.  For instance, none of my graduating YA's ever left college without a party unless I instructed them to, now they do.  Whether there was a load of crap in the Registry causing problems before I don't know, because the files I've put on are exactly the same.  What I will probably do is try playing on my old pc and add the new mods I've added since reinstalling on the new one, to see if the same thing happens.  There are only 2 or 3 so it won't take long.  I can't see that they're the cause, though - as I said before, they were only concerning food.

Have you tried playing with debug mode off?  I never leave it on, and I never seem to get problems with the debugger.

I'm sure it's just an Ancient Sim thing. I leave mine on all the time as well, because I like to catch when the untested crap I have yet to fob off on you chumps goes wrong.

Well, you have a reason to leave it on....I just don't like it when every time I go to buy something I get all the infor I don't want about it (and usually have a fair idea of anyway, it's not that hard to tell usually what something was cloned from).

Ancient Sim, just save me from reading up everything about your reinstall - did you copy your program files over, or just your game files?  If it's your program files, could I timidly suggest that it might be time for a completely fresh install?  If not, then maybe if you took out all your hacks except Pescado's, see if the debugger works, then put the others back in a few at a time if it does, then you could narrow it down to the cause of the problem.  (Or use SimWardrobe's hack conflict detector.)

Some of us chumps wait until other chumps have tested it for us.....for just that reason. :) Does that make me less chumpy or more tardy? Don't answer that. ;)

I play with debug mode on all the time.  I have never had any problems with it.  I like to know when stuff is messing up instead of wondering why sims are resetting themselves.  But that's probably just me because I like to know why stuff happens.  :P

Well, I have to admit that when I've left it on, wierd things have started to happen, and as soon as I turn it off again, they don't.

Question: Is it possible to recolor the lot debugger?

It would be nice if it could look like an end-table or a sculpture!

First off, I don't know a thing about 'debugging' - but I have had this problem with my game since NL and I asked at another forum and the reply I got was that I should try debugging, thing is I got nothing else, no clues as to what to do, or anything...

So i went to search for myself and my quest lead me here..

Onto my problem...

On every residential lot, everytime any sim enters the lots, either a walk-by or a visiter - especially the mailperson - the game freezes for about 20 seconds. This also happens with cars entering a lot, like the maid, repairman etc.. also when my sim goes out in their car.

The most annoying part is the mailman (& walk-by freeze ups), because they turn up almost everyday, so at 10:10am my game freezes...arghhh I don't want to get rid of the people walking by or the mail being delivered, I just want this apparantly simply action to not freeze my game.

I have stopped hiring maids or calling delivery people because the freeze-up is very annoying.

anyhoo.. Will this debugging thingy help me at all? If so how do I go about using it. If there is something more appropriate that would help this problem please let me know :)

Hopefully there is a solution.

Thanks in advance
-Xi-
xXx

Sounds to me like you have a furious sim at one of the portals.  If you have, the only solution I found was to delete them with Move objects on.

However, you would find investing in the debugger helps improve your game anyway, especially the "Fix Broken Mood Boosts" Option, "Unblock Fridge Tiles" etc - these options only actually appear if the problem exists.

I thought it may have something to do with portals as all the problems are portal based really, aren't they? (i don't know very much about the inner working of the game)

But this happens on every residential lot, without fail.

I'll give it a go, thanks for your advice.

It's a completely fresh install of base game and expansion on a brand-new pc.  The only things that were copied were things personal to my game (downloads, neighbourhood files, etc.).  What went into Program Files was totally and utterly fresh.  I suppose it has to be something I've downloaded since.  I just hate testing things because it's such a bore having to go in and out of the game.  Has to be done though, can't do without this facility.

You are probably right, but this doesn't exactly HELP me, does it.  I suppose I have to admit that I have probably done something ridiculously un-awesome, for which (I suppose) I deserve to suffer.

I've found that frequently first time of installation, something just doesn't get copied into the game correctly, and things go haywire, but that doesn't really explain why the debugger wouldn't work, does it?  I think you'll just have to roll up your sleeves and start sorting through all your hacks till you find the culprit (obviously, start with the non-awesome!)  But if it's a hack conflict, have you tried using the hack conflict detector from simWardrobe?  It just might save you a whole lot of hard work!

Ancient Sim:  I would start by moving all hacks to another folder EXCEPT just JM's hacks, or even just the lot debugger by itself.  Start the game, go get a cup of coffee, take the dog out, or whatever, then go into your lot and see if the problem persists.  Whether it does or not, do not save, exit without saving.  If the options appear as they should, then that tells you that there is a conflict with another hack.  If they don't, then you know something else is happening.  But don't save your game without your hacks in place, because funny things can happen.  Just enter the lot long enough to see if the problem is solved or not.

Oh, and double check that you have debug mode on, just to be sure. ;)

I'd agree with that, but I'd run the conflict check first as it has to be done with the hacks in the downloads folder.  I run it now whenever I put a new hack in, just to be sure.

/me bows in JM's general direction.   :-*

I absolutely adore the new portrait regenerator.  It comes in very useful to update their picture when they have new clothes too, that never seem to update themselves.

Well, they update fine if you buy them with the clothing tool, but otherwise, it's a real pain having to send them to the mirror!

My game's loaded at present, and I'm in the middle of stuff, but as soon as I close it down, all those shiny updated hacks are going in!  Thank you, JM (I know you don't like to be thanked, but I like thanking people, so you're stuck with being thanked!)   ;D

I don't like the clothing tool, although there is also this option on that as well.

It's saved me from countless trips down to the shops, and the extra cost is worth it - although I have a dresser from SimGedoehns which does the same thing.

Why don't you like the clothing tool, Blue?  I like using it when sims age, to pick out all their different outfits instead of being horrified when they change into bright orange jammies.  Really, who wears bright orange pajamas???

Pregnant sims?

Only because they have no choice!   >:(  I have always wished there was a way we could choose what clothes pregnant sims wear.  I am using Morague's default maternity replacement clothes, but they still get the same old PJs.  And I tried Squinge's hack, but I kept getting errors, so I took it out.  Fortunately, they only wear maternity PJs for a couple of nights. 

Only nights? ;D

I use the clothing tool quite often when toddlers get those dreadful Nightlife PJs!  Or those horrible pretend suits!  The only thing I don't like about it (and the same applies to the clothing racks, or anything to do with clothing,)  is if you forget to save the new outfit, it moves on to the next and you can't go back, and have to do it all again!  And I don't like the way they do clothes-buying in shops - it was far better in sims 1, when a sim could try something on, and then they (or their date) had the option to buy.  I used to really like in Hot Date how sims could buy each other presents when they were out on a date, or buy something and take it home for their wife, husband or child.

Yeah, I miss that from Hot Date where you could choose to buy an outfit after trying it on.

I have all of SimSquirts toddler outfits, so my toddlers often transition into one of those, though not always.  :)

Lotsa people. Generally people known as things like "#41351986".

I'll bet Pescado wears longjohns!  (I believe in the US known as a Union suit?)

Maybe back in 1899.  :P  They're still called long johns here, although I would bet he wears Kevlar and other assorted body armour instead.

Kevlar doesn't sound very comfortable to sleep in, but then again, since he doesn't sleep, he probably doesn't need pajamas at all. ;)

My grandma wore a Union suit when she was a kid.  We don't have them anymore.  I don't think they are the same as what we when we lived up north, which was thermal underwear, also called long johns.  I haven't worn them in years, as we have no need for them in the South.

I don't ever remember wearing them either, though I do just remember an awful undergarment called a Liberty Bodice - Liberty was one thing you didn't have when you were buttoned into one of those!

Bluesoup is probably like me and don't have a lot of kids in game which will grow-up into teen and then into, well you know the order. 

I am not using the clothing tool either since I see no reason why, all my Sims are CAS adult sims for which I already choose their clothes.  maybe if I can get myself to have 2nd generation Sims I will find that tool useful.


Thanks, I was just about to ask what this new option does.  I found it odd though while I was on a regular hood community lot the option showed on the debugger.  Is it normal that it appears there?

It's there all the time - it's not an option that only comes up when something is broken.

thanks for the info.  As long as it cannot cause any problem if by mistake I choose this option on the debugger while on a community lot, I really don't mind it showing everywhere. :)

It won't do anything except change the pose your Sim is in.  And you can always change that again if you don't like it.

This is neat.  Sometimes I like a sim in a particular pose, and then you update their appearance, and it changes.  Some poses make them look retarded.  :P

That was part of what prompted me to seize on this discovery, the ease of making a non-stupid pose.

Hi I loved this hack and just downloaded it yesterday so the I could reroll the LTW....worked great....but I don't seem to see all the options that this hack has to offer....like just for one...the astrological thingee....and many others.....can someone explain what the debug mode is???   Maybe that is my problem..not sure... ???

Thank you all for your help..yoru great..

Debug mode is when boolprop testingcheatsenabled true is activated.  Some of the options will only show up when the box detects a problem on the lot as well.  And things like "Wipe mystery Sim memories" will only show up if it's a viable option.

Yes, it wouldn't be a good idea to wipe those memories from a single parent - even if they don't know who the other parent is!  (Or maybe they just aren't prepared to say!)

I'm getting the fix work state on almost all my sims repeatedly at the moment.  Nothing actually seems to be wrong with them. 
(I have Base game and OFB only)

I couldn't see fix work state in the rtfm at the top.... if it's there point and laugh.  If not, could you update the rtfm?

I get the "fix work state" all the time, and just ignore it unless it's necessary - I think it's like the "fix AWOL Headmaster" in that it's always in the pie menu, but should only be used at the right time.

Thanks ZZ - I'll ignore it then unless I can see a problem.  I don't think it's there all the time though.  If it was always there, I hope I'd have noticed that and worked out I should igore it...

Well that option is very useful if you install the patch and had sims at work when you load the lot for the 1st time since the game reset all lots.

If your sim is stuck at work or is on the lot and was suppose to be at work and magically appear on the lot, then you should use this option to avoid having a warning message that it missed one day of work.

Useful, that!  Maxis try to make things more difficult for your sims, and trust JM to forestall them!

OK, so what is Regenerate Portraiture?  I keep seeing it, but nobody seems to have asked about it and it's not in the description.  Is it to change their icon picture if they're shown in SimPE as a toddler when they're in fact an adult? 

Changes their thumbnails....
When you change clothes, and don't change appearance, the thumbnails have them in old clothes? No longer.

It will fix that, too, yes. Their new clothes will update and you can keep pushing it until you get a portraiture pose you like. Some of them are pretty silly-looking.

I've found the 'regenerate portraiture' option very handy lately, since I've been trying a bunch of different default skins (especially alien ones).  It helps a great deal to see how they look in the portrait, or at the least have the portrait match their current skin color. :)

Same here.  Although the new defaults I'm using aren't all that different, there is enough of a difference.  I have found since installing OFB, though, that if you remove makeup, hair meshes, or clothing, it will immediately change the loading picture and each sim's portrait, whereas before the loading picture didn't change until you saved and reloaded the lot, and the portrait didn't change until you did "change appearance" in a mirror or by some other means.

Unfortunately, the Regenerate Portraiture facility doesn't fix the problem in SimPE.  I still have teens showing as kids, kids showing as toddlers, even the odd adult still showing as a toddler.  It seems the only way to solve that problem is to use the mirror.  Still a very useful addition though, because some of those pictures make the Sims look positively retarded (which has been said already, but it's TRUE).

I knew it updated their new clothing in the picture, which was something that had really bugged me for some time, but I wasn't aware you could keep changing the pose with it.  I'm going to have fun with that!

wtf?
Speak english.

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A random 10%? Cool! The Plauge Lives! My poor medieval neighborhood. :'( Thanks a lot.

C'mon, witch, you knew that! ;)

Nah, I needed your special talents ElfPuddle.  ::)

Please help me find "Regenerate Portraiture". I've clicked on the box, I've clicked on the sims, I even enabled testing cheats and shift clicked on the box. But I can't find this option.

Make sure you have the latest version.  It's on the yellow box, usually on the left side of the pie menu for me.  It shouldn't be hard to find, and it doesn't require testing cheats. 

I was sure I had the latest download, but I redownloaded again anyway. I still don't see it. Does the change portrait perhaps only show up if you have OFB?

Hmm, I don't know.  I installed OFB right as he put this out.  :-\

I think the technology is available only if you have OFB, possibly NL.

Thanks JM. It must be only available for OFB because I have nightlife. Now we know.

Updated to make menus for certain things hierarchical, so all the "Nuke" options will now be under "Nuke", etc. Also added fixes for OFB business corruptions, including "lost business data", where if a sim is moved to a new family he may get strange "Have you ever been to Business X" errors, and "orphaned" data, where the sim's business data is abandoned on his home lot after he leaves.

Procedures include "Move Business HQ To Here" before/after you move a sim in, and "Clean Up Orphaned Data".

I can find the make me smart option, what happened to it  ??? ??? ??? ???

You simply need to type in boolprop testingcheatsenabled true cheat in the cheat box and hit enter. Then you just shift click on box and it should appear. If they already are smart "Make Me Stupid" will appear in its place.

The "Make Me" options were moved out of debug mode and are contained in the hierarchical menu now. Future "Make Me" options will appear as well.

Ok thanks I did not see the make me options.  :-[ :-[ :-[

I know that was asked months ago, but has the bug been fixed yet? I apologize if I'm being obtuse, but I've looked and looked and can't find an update. I hate the orphan sound effects so much! To me SSX is the single most annoying noise in the game, and on one lot even getting rid of the computer entirely didn't eliminate the problem.

I'll look into it, but orphan sound effects don't emanate from an object that can be nuked, I think it's something else.

I used to have that problem with television sounds. The damn cooking show audio loop kept going and going, even when I deleted the TV, put a new one up and turned it on and off.

I exited the game and reloaded and it was fine. Never happened again.

I used to have that problem with instruments like the bass.  I haven't used them in a while in my houses though, since getting the instrument want hack that squashes those wants.

Running showers (also a common problem) don't bother me near as much. In fact, I can live with any other noise. Which may make this easier: where is the file that causes computer noise, and can I either delete it or substitute an audio segment that is just recorded silence?

For me the worst noise is the toddlers' charisma rabbit head...
Luckily I can just delete that when it does my head in.

I hate the dripping faucets, or when the sinks get stuck with water in them and the running water sound effect won't go away unless you delete the sink.  Forcing an error doesn't fix it.  >:(  I try to avoid giving my sims sinks.

I hate the dripping faucets! I think this was supposed to have something to do with broken sinks, because it only happens to fairly old sinks, but the sink never completely breaks so you can't fix it.

I also hate the *flooooop* sound when the toilet explodes. Not to mention that I hate the toilet exploding. What's that all about? Do real toilets do that?

The dripping taps drove me absolutely batty for ages!  I couldn't figure out where the noise was coming from!

I didn't know that the sinks dripped!  Of course, I don't buy sinks.  The dishes all go in the dishwasher, and 99% of the time that my sims use the toilet they take a shower immeadiately afterwards so having a sink in the bathroom is redundant.

I have never in 32 years seen a toilet do that.  I always wonder where Maxis gets these ideas.  :P

Wait, Sim toilets can explode? *did not know this!*

I have never seen a real one explode (and wouldn't want to either). I haven't had a sim one ever explode either

I've never seen a sim terlet explode, but I *HAVE* seen a real one explode. "floooop" was not quite the noise it made, though.

What is the Nuke Scene Controller or something like that?  Definitely new & shiny option.

An enhanced version of the old fix awol headmaster thing.  I'm guessing it will nuke the pre-written scenarios that you encounter when running some of the maxis-made households for the first time.

It nukes any scenario, which includes the parties and headmaster.
Basically it combines the old 'awol headmaster' and 'nuke stuck scenario' things.

Pescado said he'd just moved them to a submenu to tidy things up.

The Headmaster controller is the same thing as the Scenario controller, and the command is the same and unchanged, but the naming has been clarified since it fixes more than just headmaster issues.

How come "Wipe mystery Sim memories" was removed as an option?

It's still there -- it only appears for sims who actually have 'mystery sim' memories.

Not exactly, Joe.  It only appears as an option if the Sim's mystery sim memories can be removed safely, without any adverse side effects.

Yeah, I found that out from experience.  Once you have a sim start interacting with other sims and they gain other memories, the option disappears.  You can still go in SimPE and do some editing, if you wish.

Hmm, wasn't aware of that -- I figured it was there as long as the mystery sim memories were there.  Since I usually get rid of them right away, I guess I never noticed that it went away when other memories interfered with it.

I got scared there for a minute as I deleted the memories using the cascade delete option in SimPE. Good to know I didn't mess up my game.

Lies and propaganda!!

(someone on N99 says this thread claims there is such a thing as a sim's IQ)

Well, there is sorta, right?  You can see it in debug mode but it's always 100 except temporarily when they are toddlers and drink smart milk, which can then stick and give them 300 for a longer period of time, but not indefinitely without the aid of hacks.

I think that's right.

If I use decimate on a hood that I have not populated yet, will it kill 10% of the townies?

Right -- the smart milk bug will stick through teen in most cases, unless a reset happens that wipes it out.

Also, using the Thinking Cap temporarily raises the IQ to 200.

IIRC from the last time I used it, it will kill 10% of townies and NPCs.

"IQ" = the sims skill rate bonus% (semi-attribute 1C) plus their normal 100% skill rate. Normal sims thus have an 'IQ' of 100 since they have no skilling rate bonus.

Ah it's calculated, I see.  I was thinking I hadn't seen a persondata(IQ) anywhere!

I use the 'make me smart' option on the debugger - gives sims an IQ of 300.

Yea, that's the 'smart milk' level.  The 'make me smart' mimics the infamous smart milk bug (or lets you 'correct' it when the game gets reset, and the bugs effects go away :) ).

Noticed when moving some sims out of a dorm...  the nuke stuck move out option seems to be missing from the debugger.

My sims moved out, but no dormies moved in to replace them...  after exiting and reloading the lot, the dormies moved back in, so there was definitely a stuck move out.

I think the stuck move-out only applies when they're graduating, not when they're just moving to go to  another dorm, or rental or greek house.

hmmm...  Joe's right, it just deals with stuck graduation move outs.

Any chance of the other type of move out being added - they seem to stick as well.

This is an unrelated state issue. It has nothing to do with stuckness or nonstuckness of moveouts. Some things in the game, such as greek house state and numerous other random things, don't fully update until you save/reload. No other solution exists.

Also, shiny new test features added:
Erase Gossip From Me/All: Erases all gossips (including potentially corrupted ones). Forces the gossip DB to be rebuilt in your entire neighborhood.
Prep For Delete (debug): Nukes all memories pertaining to the deletee and shreds file to sever relations. Don't use on anyone with relatives. Then to complete the expunging process, you need to delete the SDSC, SWAF, and character file manually.

Quick question: what does "Fix... Work State" refer to?

I believe it's there to fix things that mangle their job performance, like getting pinged for missing a day of work when you add an EP or SP, and everyone is back home and reset, or when they move into a new house and their calendar restarts at 8am Monday, and they get pinged for missing work on that day.

New update fixes some issues with the new purging options. BTW: Did you know that after I purged all the gossipcruft from my neighborhood with this, the neighborhood package shrank 10%? That's a lot of cruft.

Hmm, I look foward to running it on my main Pleasantview.  It's in it's 4th generation, and must have a LOT of gossip crud by now...

I just ran this on my Pleasantview, which I've been playing since the game came out.  (God only knows how many generations of Sims that must be!)  Before, the N001_neighborhood.package size was about 23 MB.  After, it was down to 20 MB.  I haven't noticed any problems so far.

Karen

Ok, I'll bite... what in the heck are SDSC and SWAF???

http://www.sims2wiki.info/Category:Modding

That link is too awesome for me. Is there a shorter tutorial about which files need to be deleted via SimPe after readying them in-game?


I was excited to see the plague details option since I've had it going around for quite awhile, including on the lot that I tried it on. However, I cannot decipher the output. Care to share with us what the abbreviations and numbers represent?

I'm decidedly non-awesome, but I think you're supposed to delete the relevant entries under Sim Description (SDSC) and Sim Wants and Fears (SWAF), in the NXXX_Neighborhood.package. You'll want Display Filenames turned on (under the Extra menu) so you can find the right Sim Descriptions easier. (Of course, you can also use the Sim Browser). To find the right SWAF entry for a specific Sim you need to load that Sim's Description and click on More, then "Open Wants & Fears" (note that More also has an "Open Character File" option that'll tell you what .package file under the Characters folder of that neighborhood belongs to that character, which is the last thing you delete, and that can't be deleted from SimPE. You'll have to find the folder and delete the file manually.)

When you've found the correct entries, right-click and choose Delete (it won't actually be gone until you save the Neighborhood.package, so you can right-click again and choose Restore if you accidently picked the wrong one). Obviously, you'd want to make a backup of the Neighborhood before you go deleting things.

SH: Symptom Hash
LD: Lethal Dose
CS: Current Severity (if CS >= LD, you == dead)
CT: Contagiousness
RP: Recovery Points (positive means your sim is recovering, negative means it will get worse)
RHC: Recovery Hour Count (recovery points are subtracted from severity when this count hits 6 or so)
UNK: Your guess is as good as mine.

Update: Cool, Super-Shiny Discovery! Object text updated accordingly to mention that Prep-For-Delete even exterminates the SWAF, so you only have to eliminate SDSC and file!

Is it possible to make a quite tile nuker or just have it say X # of objects were found and nuked rather than a window for each? I keep getting those damned restock signs in the far corner of the lot and it's a bit annoying to have to x out of 30+ little windows for each sign deleted.  :o

The boxes have a VERY quick die-off time, so they'll disappear off your screen in only a second or two.

I just downloaded the newest debugger. I'm starting a new neighborhood so I made an adult in CAS and used 'upgrade pre-uni sim' on her. When I did, the new want slots started to appear, but a lock appeared on one of the slots. When the roll completed, the lock disappeared, but the slot was blank. So I rerolled wants, but it remained blank.

So then I fulfilled a want and all of the wants rerolled except for the first slot, and then they all came up blank except for the slot that didn't reroll. I used debugger to reroll wants again, but they just come up blank. I've used this function in the past and it worked ok then.

Then I went to adjust the LTW with the debugger. Reroll LTW works fine still, but cycle LTW doesn't appear to do anything. Shouldn't it cycle through the available LTWs?

It should, yes. I just fixed that, I think. You may need to redownload.

I notice the new wants menu but I am wondering how does cycle LTW work.  What does it do exactly?

My game just created a new butt ugly nanny... so i thought i'd fix her up.... no prob there and when i finished that i thought i'd use the newest ffsdebugger to make sure she didn't have any mystery memories or other probs..... clicked on nuke and i saw the option to nuke the scenario controller, but i also saw an option to nuke "Dream Trackers". What the heck are dream trackers? are they bad? do i really want to nuke them? do my other sims have them? is this new? is this a nanny thingy? Should i feel special? Should i wake up? Inquiriung minds need to know.

Ta  ???

edit: I was controlling the nanny when i clicked on the debugger.

Dream Trackers are usually harmless, but I had one that was chain-erroring in my game recently, so I created an option to nuke it.

Well.... I had each sim on the lot nuke the dream trackers but the option isn't going away for any of them, but, they don't seem to care anyways... no BFB , so i'm not to worried about it at the moment.

Thanks for the info JM

Runs thru the LTW in order as opposed to simply rolling one at random. Useful for when there's a particular LTW you need and you don't want to waste time rerolling duplicate results.

The dream trackers seem to control who or what your Sims dream about. So if your Sims start dreaming romantically about people they have never met before or, worse still, start dreaming romantically about grilled cheese sandwiches, then you might need to nuke them. The trackers, I mean, not the Sims.

Oooh, shiny!  I must try this out right away.  I want to clean up Pleasantview, which I've been playing since the original game came out.  I tried doing this manually, but it's a real PITA.

That was a cool link, Dizzy.  Lots of interesting stuff.  Guess what I found on the link for MATY (http://www.sims2wiki.info/MoreAwesomeThanYou)?


:o

Heh. most likely the true membership count has been somewhat higher for a long time, given that most people probably hit and run, never registering, a practice which we encourage to keep numbers down.

Damn, they got that wrong...  isn't membership fee $39.99 or something like that?  Don't wanna go around letting people think they can just come in here and take stuff any time they want.

Required log-in to edit?! What kind of half-ass Wiki are they? >:(

And why is there a picture of S2C on the MATY page??

Hmm...3000 members, $39.95 a piece...that's almost 120 large. A month.

No wonder Pescado's got his own whaling boat. And secret subterranean compound buried deep in the Bitterroot Range.

Heck, I bet he's even able to afford sharks. With frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!

Yeah, that comes to roughly 1.5 mil a year.  Pescado is a frickin millionaire!  :P

You don't mention DNA files.  I guess you need to delete them in SimPE......  oh and a very bigh BAAAAAAA.

SDNA is relatively safe, as it will either be ignored, or overwritten by the new Sim's data.

SWAFs are not overwtitten and that causes problems, as does -- in some cases -- Sim relationship data.

Improper deletion may lead to toddlers and children with LTWs, or NPCs/townies with unwanted family relationships.

I've had problems with DNA being messed up on new sims, so I always delete the SDNA entries.  For example, several times I've had a sim with a genetic haircolor, say blonde, who I've changed to have a custom hairstyle that wasn't color binned.  The sim's haircolor DNA would be changed to custom, and their child would also have custom hair DNA.  I noticed this happened in neighborhoods when I had deleted sims, even though I thought I'd followed the procedure.  I had to go back and correct several sims' DNA back to what I thought it should be, and it was a real pain.  In another thread where we discussed this, it seemed to be related to deleting sims in SimPE.  It seems the old DNA entries weren't cleared out properly.  So I always make sure I delete these now.

Actually, Rainbow, I have the problem you describe when I DO delete SDNA entries.  I haven't had a problem since I stopped.

I'd heard the problem was that the new DNA overwrote the old, but unless the info was exactly the same size, you had leftovers hanging around.  DK where I got that, but I believed whoever told me.... ;D

If you delete SDNA files, you will get the Rainbow problem. Don't ever delete an SDNA file, for some bizarre reason it will mess up every other DNA.

I was following the instructions here (http://ambertation.de/simpeforum/viewtopic.php?t=1731).

me too!  But I hadn't read it for a while.  Apparently there's a sim deleter tool in the QA version now and when I went back and read the next couple of pages Theo said
"I know everyone - including myself - is eager to use this tool, but deleting a sim's DNA, either by using this tool or doing it manually, will cause the game to wipe out the recessive genes on *all* the neighborhood's sims.

Until that particular behavior is sorted out, I don't think this tool can be released to the public.

A sub-optimal solution would be to leave the DNA record intact, which in my trials carried no side effects.
Therefore, my advice to anyone bold enough to do it manually is to keep the DNA record."

I thought I was on auto-notify for it too and I missed that.  Oh well - here goes checking all the DNA on my sims and finding and editing every post I ever made to help people on other boards with deleting sims!  aaaarrrgghhh!

Good luck on that.  :(

The official ruling is basically to never, ever, touch the SDNA files. Delete SDSC, SWAF, leave SimDNA alone. If you accidentally mangle one, you're going to end up with a very messy state where the only way to fix it is to extract and re-splice the SDNAs from a backup archive, and the procedure for doing THAT is rather fancy.

too late for me - I've already done it! :'(

EDIT - been into SimPE and my sim DNA looks plausible - what am I looking for?  Feel free to point me at a link - this is getting way off topic for the debugger.  Very glad I asked about DNA though!

The exception is if you delete ‘all’ SDNA entries. That, in my experience, is safe.

Does that include editing Sim DNA, like in the correcting bad Strangetown DNA project?  I've edited DNA strings many times with no problems.  Or do you mean don't touch them as in don't delete them?

Editing seems to be just fine, at least in my experience.  E.g., I had to edit the DNA to get it back to what it was supposed to be in the first place, and since then it's been just fine.

Yes, no problem at all with editing -- I've fixed Strangetown, and it's well into its second generation with no problems from any of the originals who were fixed.

Editing them is safe. Deleting any will cause the remaining ones to be FUBAR. Obviously, if you delete them all, the ones that remain will still be FUBAR, but there won't actually *BE* any.

If I erase all manner of gossip from the neighborhood, does it mean no one will have a thought bubble when a sim attempts to gossip?  At least until something new happens worth gossiping about?

Also, I tried the Prep for Delete on a dead sim tonight.  Deleted the SDSC and character file, reopened SimPe AND...  his SWAF was still there.  Instance # was same (I checked SWAF before I deleted character file) but his name was not there.  Sim Wants and Fears for blank was what I saw.  I thought the new shiny option also deleted the SWAF?  Would it have worked that way if I prepped for delete a living sim and then killed him off?  What of the tomb after the character file deletion, btw?  Should I have sold that tomb first?

Hmm. The SWAF normally disintegrated in testing, but maybe because he was already dead. Hand-shred it, then. Make sure you're deleting the right thing, though! Remember that the deleter will give you the instance in DEC, but SimPE displays in HEX.

I don't have the game up now so I may get the options wrong but I noticed that there are now 3 options for LTW, toggle, reroll and scroll-? or something like that. Anyway, what's the differenence between reroll and scroll?

Reroll is random.
Cycle LTW goes through the valid ones  one-by-one in order, allowing you to pick a specific LTW.

Thanks Jordi. I noticed when doing the reroll, I wouldn't get as many options as the cycle but even with that, I wasn't sure if I was getting all of the possible choices or just sim specific because I have the JM's LTW variety hack.

Both cycle and reroll will only pick a valid LTW.
While JM's LTW variety hack changes which LTWs are valid for a specific Sim, it does not make it possible for a Sim to get any LTW, so with or without it in your game you might never get a specific LTW for a Sim.
JM's mod usually disables a few LTWs for a given Sim based on parent's LTWs, interests, etc..

A very simple example: a non-family Sim should not be able to get the "graduate 3 kids from college" LTW, no matter how often you re-roll or cycle.

With JM's mod: a Sim with a high crime interest should not be able to get the "become captain hero" LTW, until his interest in crime drops.

If you want to get any LTW for any Sim, I believe Squinge has a mod for that at his forum.

Actually, a sim with a high crime interest *WOULD* want to become Captain Hero. Depending on his personality and aspiration, he may also want to be Mastermind instead. Superheroism and Supervillainy are really just different sides of the same coin, after all.

Mea culpa ;)

Reroll works hand in hand with LTW variety, correct?

Yes, both options work together.

Working with Pets, got this error while trying to rerandomize the household.

Fixed.

The debugger is one of the first things I buy on any lot. I upgrade pre-University sims (or those I created as adults) and change the portrait if it looks goofy.

If we could change the portraits of pets--by having the pet click the box or having a human sim do it--this would be even shinier.  ;D

Not that I'm requesting a feature, or anything. ...

Oh yes... why do cats look so incredibly stupid most of the time?

I can get a new picture when I add a collar to the cat or dog, but I haven't checked yet if I can further change their appearance and get new portraits.

I was not able to click on anything using the debugger for pets, including Change Portraiture.  I tried getting one of the sims to change appearance in the mirror, but it never worked.  They would get to the mirror, and it would fall out of their queues.  I even tried with them standing right in front of the mirror.  Is this actually supposed to work, or is the option not supposed to show?

It works fine for me. Do you have any custom mirrors and/or hacks that might be effecting it?

I'd try moving the downloads directory out temporarily and then just running a test run of the game and see if you can do it with no hacks or cc at all. If you can, then it's something you have in the downloads folder that's causing it.

I will try removing hacks and see what happens.  I have no custom mirrors or anything like that on this computer.  My Downloads is pretty empty since this is not the computer my regular game is on.  I have very few hacks, mainly JM's and TJ's Pets-approved hacks. 

Today I noticed an option "Nuke Attraction something" (should have written it down  :-\ ) when I used the Lot Debugger for the very first time in my game - what does that option do? Does it set all the attraction bolts in the relationship panel to the correct value? I noticed those bolts keep changing quite often ...  :(

Oh, yes, I noticed that too. I have clicked it for Sims who already had a sexual preference and for Sims who did not... I have not noticed any remarkable changes in their personal status or in their behavior. I am very curious what this is and what its purpose is.

It nukes attraction tokens. This is a precursor to avoid corrupted attraction tokens if you're going to flush gossips or delete sims. Attraction tokens are basically useless and do nothing but cause trouble, anyway.

Ah, I understand. Thanks for helping us out! I read something about attraction tokens the other day and wondered what they were needed for anyway.  ;D

Agh!  When I got my thread notification email the way it was formatted looked like *Pescado* was thanking someone for something!!!  I can calm down now.  :)

*lying on the floor and holding my stomach* ;D

I'm so sorry for making your heart jump by accident ...  :P  ;D

No sign of any devils and demons ice skating here.  ;D

Added fix for werewolves stuck in permanent hairiness even during the day.

   Would there be a simple explanation, of why the Unblock Fridge Tiles option is not showing/hasn't shown for quite a while (several weeks) in my Lot Debugger?   I've got fridges being blocked but the option is not showing.  I have the latest version, Univ/NL/OFB/FFS only.  No Glamor or Pets.

If the fridge is being blocked by something other than the normal fridgetile I found, the Lot Debugger won't specifically find it. Try bombing with the Stuck Object Remover. It's a yellow box with the radioactive symbol helpfully labelled NUKE.

   Much appreciated, once again, you've ridden to my rescue.   :)

I'm having a problem with changing lifetimewants and wondering if it's because I don't have all the EPs (base game and OFB only).   The newest version of the lot debugger seems to stick on one choice and the LTW cycle doesn't cycle.  I'm using it in conjuction with harder jobs.  It seems to like own 5 businesses a lot and I was just wondering if something wasn't cycling back to look at base game wants properly.  The boolprop LTW test object doesn't appear when I try and spawn it.  I wondered if that was related.

I was playing a house I haven't played since I installed OFB today and had a big problem trying to get them achievable LTWs.  There are seven sims in the house, 5 elders and 2 adults:

age  - aspiration   - LTW                - re-rolled LTW
elder - family       - marry off 6 kids  - didn't roll again - this works.
elder - fortune    - business tycoon  - not possible - re-rolled to own 5 businesses
elder - reputation - max career        - not possible - re-rolled to own 5 businesses
elder - romance   - max career        - not possible - re-rolled to Blank - now has no LTW
elder - knowledge - max career       - not possible - re-rolled to Blank - now has no LTW
adult - family        - captain hero     - re-rolled and no change - left it alone.
adult - fortune     - business tycoon - re-rolled to 5 businesses and re-rolls that every time - he has 10pts activity and 6 interest in sport.  He had a job in sport - would not roll a sports option.  Cycle didn't give any choices.  I changed his job and rolled again - same thing. 5 business want and no sports option.

tried and failed to give the knowledge sim an LTW in simPE.

Does this sound as if it's working "as intended"?

The are also all sick and the plague info is cool - or rather it would be if I knew what things stood for! Is that posted anywhere?  Couldn't find it searching on plague.  I guess LD is lethal dose and CT is contagious.  Mum/gran already died.

Try

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,5200.0.html

I haven't noticed the disease options on the debugger yet, but I guess SS is severity.

I think Pescado maintains an air of mystery around all his hacks to make the game harder to play.

If you're using LTWvariety, it will restrict "broken" ones, such as getting the 5 businesses want AGAIN after you've already satisfied it, as well as inappropriate ones, such as jobs your sim would logically hate from his utter lack of interest and/or personality. It will also restrict "impossible" options for the default game, such as a demand for a career want for elders (not possible by default). If those sims were loaded pre-LTWvariety, they may have impossible wants carried over from initial install conversion, which cannot roll back when restricted by LTWvariety.

That item has never worked.

Male elder, I hope.

Again, if you're using LTWvariety, this will restrict elders from rerolling to career wants, as these are impossible. If all wants become impossible, either because you've done it already, or because they're all restricted, it will become blank. Elder Romance, for instance, if already in possession of 20 lovers and 20 woohoo memories, cannot roll those wants and therefore will receive no new LTW, as the Romance cores are Lovers/Woohoos, and jobwants are not possible for elders.

6 is not a very high interest in sports. You need 7 or so. Keep reading!

Lose a skillpoint, roll again.

If LTWvariety is in place, then yes, working as intended. Trying to attach fresh LTWs to existing sims which have already closed off most of their options in life due to pre-LTW play will result in very limited options. Try the "Toggle LTW Bit" in the debugger instead.

Some options are really intended more for use by me, than by you. :P If you really want to understand plagues, go read the Plague Studies.

I should have said these guys are relatively newly created and haven't done much.  None of them is anywhere near achieving an LTW.  The elders had impossible career wants from when I checked them after installing OFB - before LTW variety existed - that's why I was re-rolling them.  The romance elder hasn't got to 3 loves at once yet - never mind 20 woohoo!  The knowledge sim has maxed 2 skills and got about 6 other points in total. The popularity sim had about 5 friends before he dropped dead last night and I saved by accident.  He got out of the car from work and dropped dead before I could get him to the Elixir.  Oops.  Platinum grave anyway.

I'll get the sports guy another interest point or two and try again in the interests of science. He is fixable in SimPE at least.  I couldn't allocate an LTW to the sims without one in SimPE - nothing to click on to replace.  I suppose I could delete the SWAF files.

They are all guys, so the family sim kid related-options should be achieveable by all of them.  With your new improved LTW chooser, I thought they would pop up for these guys at least.  As they can also be satisfied by adoption, they aren't acutally impossible for female elders either,

I designed this household as sort of a challenge, but 3 sims wanting 5 top businesses when two are elders........

I did read the plague studies with interest!  Couldn't work out what the abreviations were though even there.  guess I can scratch my head some more if you don't feel like posting them. I've got SH, LD(lethal dose?) CS,CT(contagious?), RP, RHC and Unk(unknown?).  No SS on my screen

Symptom Hash, Current Severity, Contagiousness, Recovery Points, Recovery Hour Count, and your-guess-is-as-good-as-mine.

So why don't these guys roll the obvious non-career wants?  Thinking about it, I've never seen those as LTW's in my game just careers and the family wants and own 5 top businesses.  Maybe they just aren't on whatever LTW list my game has made out of base game + OFB. How do I check that?  Would your saner LTW let these guys throw a family want? 

Now they are not all sick any more, I can head off to other plague stricken households armed with information and understanding.

Hmm. Maybe those LTWs don't exist without Uni. Perhaps Cwykes-type-people will have to either install, or acquire, Uni.

They exist as wants, I just haven't seen them as LTWs.  I assume adding an EP doesn't give you the complete set of LTWs for the basic 5 personality groups.  Worth knowing I suppose. If one turns up in game as an LTW,  I'll be back!

Guess I should go post on the Saner LTW thread about letting elders of any aspiration throw family wants.  You know, old fogies getting maudlin about their lack of children or wanting to be a dynasty patriarch and pass on the family business.  Lots of elders start hassling their offspring about marriage and kids when they feel their end approaching.

Suspect I'm going to have to get Uni sometime - if only to make a default hood!  I've got one needs testing on my website (almost looks like a website now) it's testing the concept really as Uni content disappears on it's way through my game.   http://users.telenet.be/cwykes  then there's NL - Motoki'd like another downtown.   More RAM first though, the game is slow enough already - load times annoy me and I've had a couple of crashes that puzzled me.  Son is "organising" the RAM, since he didn't get it done for my birthday it'll probably be Christmas and I'll see what's cheap in the sales  :)
 

Well, it doesn't really make any sense for elder females to worry about direct children, as they ain't having any. Grandchildren wants remain enabled for elders.

They can adopt and satisfy wants that way if they are desperate enough - more of a challenge too!  Then there is the whole miscounting issue - Brynne(?)  had a thread "hey those aren't my kids!" where the brothers(?) kids counted for the LTW.  Gender specific LTWs too fancy?

My elderly widow Sim wants: 1) Relative gets engaged 2) Relative gets married 3) Have a grandchild.  The 1st and 3rd are most likely, with 2 daughters on campus and a married son.

My elder female kept wanting to see a relative get engaged before she died, and all her children were married!  It wasn't going to happen as her grandchildren were too young to even think of getting married.  I wished that she would get rid of that want.  :P

Is it possible to "regenerate portraiture" for pets?  I have an adult cat in one of my families whose portrait caught her with her eyes shut.  I tried Change Appearance but it didn't modify the portrait at all.  It's not a big deal, I'm just wondering if this functionality could be added to the lot debugger.

Here's a picture of the kitty with her portrait so you can see what I'm talking about.

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f81/karenh3/catwithclosedeyes.jpg)

The Director's Cut Debugger should allow regenerate portraiture on pets. Since it appears to be stable, I've updated the standalone.

   Sorry for asking this, what about Nieces/Nephews?  Or is she a 1st gen sim.

I tried the latest version of the lot debugger and was able to change the portrait of the cat (with controlpets on, of course).  Thanks!

She was first generation.  She was Brandi Broke, whom I allowed to have ten children.

   Ahh, you spoiled her, she got so used to marrying off children, she lost count.   ;)

Incidentally, her youngest daughter got married the day before I installed Uni, and she got the want to marry off six children.  :P  That was before the awesome hacks to reroll LTWs, and I was so upset.  When SimPE allowed us to edit LTWs, I changed hers to Golden Anniversary, and so she was able to get permaplat from that.

My game sometimes has troubles generating icons for pets and babies.  It would be nice if the lot debugger would have menu items to regenerate portraiture for them.  The work around for pets is to have them change appearance.  Unfortunately, I have 2 babies (in different houses) waiting to become toddlers so they can have faces in the icon bar!

Just make them selectable/controllable and make them perform "regenerate portraiture".

As mentioned in the ACR thread, I've had some Sims with enough relationship with themselves to roll up wants to dance with themselves, etc, and you said this was bad. I removed the Sims' selves from their known Sims in Simpe, but I noticed that even Sims I haven't played, who supposedly haven't been affected by ACR, also have themselves in their Known Sims category (though it doesn't show what the relationship is). It's hard to tell what's a normal "known self" and what is the kind that throws up those stupid wants. Would it be possible for the Lot Debugger to nuke the self relationships?

Nuking relationships is impossible outside of SimPE. They can be "hidden", but they're still there. You have to kill them from within SimPE.

Okay, so the Sim's self should definitely be taken out of the Known Sims section, then, even if they're not displaying the problems? I started on that, but I didn't want to continue if the "relationship" was just going to keep returning.

I'm having a whole slew of problems all of the sudden with various houses (BFBVFS warnings?). The one I've been playing lately (an apocalypse challenge house, I'm only on generation 2! Maybe some issues are being caused by moveobjects on?) keeps having sims get stuck doing something (one time a toddler was currently "In crib" with the next cued action being the potty training while his dad was currently potty training and the toddler was on the potty, had to delete both of them to get them unstuck; most recently, a sim got stuck in the bathtub because his dad was meditating beside it, so I waited a bit until the dad floated and could teleport out of the way, but the sim had stopped moving, sim in question was pregnant and starving but not dead yet I don't think...). also, they keep giving me path errors when going to specific squares, regardless of what's on said square and what may or may not be in their way (clear shot to the toilet, can't use it due to "path" bubble, or alternatly sink bubble when the sink is beside the toilet rather than in the way; they adamently refuse to use my shower/tub regardless of where I put it; they had an issue with a counter in a spot even after selling and rebuying it, so I deleted it and they now serve their instant meals on the floor in the spot where the counter was with no issues). Also, there are about 6 consecutive floor tiles that are dark like they're indoors while the family is living on a platform, no walls, and the rest of the floor is lit up in daytime.

Will the lot debugger help me? I've just installed it. What should I try to do? I assume there are stuck somethings in the place causing erros but no idea what... maybe nuke stuck kicky bags?

kuronue, sounds like you need the "stuckobjremover"  you buy one and place it on a screwed up tile and it blows up whatever was stuck there.

Is that part of this hack or a seperate one? I didn't see it in the RTFM and I wanted to make sure I have whatever I need before I boot up my game again.

also, will that help with my sims being stuck doing things?I've not been playing very long, the founder of the family is only partway into her elderhood, usually I get these odd errors after several generations. Does playing in window mode make a difference, maybe a lack of memory?

It's a seperate hack.

I don't know what is causing your sims to get stuck. You could try deleting them or forcing an error on them but the last time I had that problem - it was the lot itself that was buggy and a move-out & move-backin fixed it  :-\ 


edit - heres the link to the stuck object remover thread http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,1609.0.html

thanks. I don't know why a search for "stuck object remover" didn't turn up a thread entitled "stuck object remover" @.@

your welcome  :)

sometimes search seems to have problems  ::) 

oh wow. I nuked the area around the tub that was giving me issues: a bunch of social 2x2 markers and *marker - 1 tile showed up as being burninated. I'm going to do their entire platform now, since it's only 8x8...

EDIT: oh yes, now I remember the other thing that keeps showing up,seems random: a few times my kids have blown bubbles and the bubbles don't leave ,and once (brand new house, maybe 3rd day of play) a woman went to sleep and never woke up- she walked around the house with zZzZzZzs for days (she eventually died and was rescued from death)

EDIT: and now my adult sim is a teenager again. Remembers growing up, getting alien pregnant, quitting his job... but a schoolbus is about to arrive. ARGH!

this is very ,very strange indeed. My family went like this: Micheal was born first, quite a while before his little brother Taylor. Micheal was a child when Taylor was born. Micheal grew to a teen, Taylor grew to a child. Micheal grew to an adult, got a job as a Test Subject. Taylor grew to be a teen. About 2 days later, Micheal got abducted by aliens and returned pregnant. Due to apocalypse rules, I knew he'd have to quit his job, but since his brother had all his skills in order to become a slacker, I knew he'd be able to return to it once Taylor finished his career. Since he'd been abducted, Elixir was now legal, so Taylor took a bunch of elixir while in red (one of it actually worked properly, imagine that!) till he was 1 day away from adulthood. Taylor grew to be an adult (badly). I noticed the issues, had to delete Micheal because he was stuck in the bathtub, saved and quit, came back in, still issues, saved and quit again, grabbed the debugger, macro tastics, skilinator, sleep clock, woohoo ltw fix, stuck object remover, and autoyak (when I download, I tend to go on sprees). I installed all of them, went back in to the game, moved everything off their platform, burninated the empty platform, then moved it all back, delighting at the lack of invisible objects. Shortly thereafter, the sun came up and I got a notice about a school bus coming. I checked: it was for Micheal, and Taylor was an adult still!

SimPE has the following:

Micheal Green (pic is of a toddler)
treat as male
life section: Teen
days remaining: 10
species: human

career:
school type: publicschool
grade: DMinus (about right, he was failing all through school because once he hit teen he stopped attenfding)
career: unemployed
aspiration: knowledge (correct)

flags: none are set, not even pregnant (invisible)

memories:
sim initialized
met Calita Despret (his nanny)
(several gossip flags about his mom)
Met Ron Todd (his dad, they weren't married yet)
Made Best Friends with Bay Green (his mom)
Ron Todd Grew Up Well, Joined the Family, Got Engaged (he was a YA, he finally moved in, was engaged before hand)
invisible toddler skill token
(more gossip)
Grew Up Well (ok, so far so good, he's at childhood)
met some people, had 2 best friends
invisible token - misc skill
learned to study, gossip, met some people, burgler, ate some foods
invisible token personal wealth (???)
Taylor Green joined the family (ok, his brother was born when he was a child)
best friends with his dad, had 3 best friends
Grew Up Well (now he's a teen)
gossip, his mom hit elder well, his brother grew up badly (child?)
more gossip, got a D report card, Taylor got an A+
Taylor grew up well (teen)
invisible grew up well, no names attached (??)
more gossip
Grew Up Well (adult)
Never Went to College
Got a Job
Met Aliens (he got pregnant from it)
Quit Job
Taylor grew up badly (when I forced him on elixir)
lots of vermin, then invisible token sim loaded.

so how did the game mark him as a teen?! also, I remember he had a belly bump because he got put on maternity leave from his job, does that not get a memory?

So I just find the offending SREL in SimPE, delete it, and save? Sounds easy...maybe too easy...

That's how it's usually done, yes.

This is not working for me. It's Dina Caliente, and she's a zombie.

She did not lose hairiness when she was cured of lycanthropy, so I turned her back into a werewolf to try this fix.

She doesn't seem to be doing the normal flashy werewolf transition at the normal times. Her body just stays hairy all the time, and her head is a normal zombie head.

The option to fix her hairiness appears on the debugger, but it does nothing more than regenerate her portrait (which is still hairy).

ETA: She's still rolling up wants to be cured of lycanthropy, even though I just cured her again a minute ago. Force error deleting her did nothing whatsoever to help any of this.

I printed out the RTFM and there are 2.25 pages of information... on the lot I need this to work, I get 10 options (using the oldest sim, an adult) instead of the advertised 29. I have all the expansions and stuff packs - I downloaded the latest version from http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/ffs/pets/hacks/ (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/ffs/pets/hacks/) and downloaded The Director's Cut for Pets, (same file edited on 12/07/06 @ 1:30 pm).

What have I done wrong? My son has visitors stuck on his (downloaded) lot that just walk around in circles... any ideas on how to fix this, or get the other 19 options to show up?

1. While in Live Mode, pause and save the game.
2. Enter Build mode and put the degugger boxes everywhere near a portal.
3. Go back to Live Mode and unpause the game.
4. Pray.

Placing the lot debugger on the portals won't do anything.  Do you mean the stuck objects remover?  But that might also burninate the portals themselves also. ???

Some options only show up on the debugger when they are applicable to the situation. Other options need you to have testingcheats enabled and then you must shift-click on the box for those options to show up.

Well, I thought I'd read everything in this thread pretty much as it was posted (for sure I'm not going to read all 12 pages now), but can anyone tell me if the December 7 edition works with Uni only? I can't seem to get "rerandomize Sim generator" to work.

Sim ElfPuddle just had an identical second child and Sim Jelenedra and Sim Pescado are about to deliver their second. I really need this to run correctly!

Alternate work around:  Have some sort of random number generator (such as a polyhedral die, preferably a d100) available.  Generate a random number.  Go into CAS and click the Random button that many times.  Quit CAS.  Start playing your game. 

Your babies should now look different from each other!

You don't even have to have a random number generator, just click the randomize button a random number of times, discard the Sim, and exit CAS.  ;)

Yeah, but the die almost enforces unique random numbers.  Unless you left your dice in the sun and they melted slightly so now they're weighted...

Thanks, I'll just roll a virtual die -- and the number of times I click is going to be limited by my physical ability to do it.

But am I correct that there is only one version of the debugger? Do I have to break down and install Nightlife to take advantage of all the features? (I don't get the option to refresh thumbnails either.)

I didn't get regenerate portrait to work until I installed OFB, so I know that some options that are available are EP Dependant.

Due to a combination of the Debugger's Stuck Smart effect, and me deleting the thinking cap while it was on a sim's head, my sim seems to have a permanently stuck IQ of 700 and "Make me...." isn't showing up. How do I fix this?

That is a problem???  Well, you could force an error on the sim so it is reset.  This usually puts them back at the baseline IQ of 100.  That's what happens when you install a new EP, patch, or certain hacks.

Ah, that's how I lost my stuck Smart Milk! 

(I had Sims get stuck in actions that wouldn't cancel and had to force errors.)

Since installing Pets my lots have reset so everyone is at home when their lot is first played. I click on "fix work state" on the lot debugger but nothing happens. Children who have just aged and haven't attended school yet are being handed D grades because they missed school, which is worse than the warnings that the adults missed work since I'm using harder, harder grades.

Is there a problem or am I doing something wrong? I thought it was supposed to send Sims to work or school if there had been reset and are now at home. Clicking on the car doesn't give the options to take the kids to school or to go to work. I suppose it's because it is too late in the day.

Fix Work State sets the "no penalty for not being at work" bit, so your sim can then be sent to work in a car without being permanently penalized for being "late", or just no sent at all (no pay either). It has no effect on school.

Then why does that option show up every single sim day?

With whom? Pictures?

A "Time Warp" back to 7am might work better.  Then everyone can go to school and work normally.

I've just moved a business owner to a new lot and, yes, it's messed up. Said he had to visit the lot before he could check in with the manager. The "move business home option" came up on the lot debugger at his new house so I chose it.  I was expecting it to disappear when the problem was fixed, but it didn't disappear.  Should one click fix the mess if it's fixable?  I clicked lots of times and it still didn't disappear.  Should it be on a business lot rather than at his house?

I've also lost all the 1st simoleon awards from his businesses - they disappeared when I hit undo while moving stuff in and out of the inventory.  so did a plate of omelettes. ???  I guess that's a separate problem , but I want them back!  How?

I'd swear some of the wages changed during the move as well - can't see why else the cashier on one lot and the manager on another were suddenly overpaid when they weren't before.  I have relevant wages. 

Still playing base +OFB only.

I have all Ep's up to OFB now.

When I priorly had the Pet ep, the option to change sims into vampire or zombie was appearing on it.

With OFB  and without the pet ep, there is only the option to change sims into zombie.  I tried it and nothing happened.  My sim did not change appearance at all and I was wondering what is that option really for, should the sim change into a zombie or not?  And should the option to change into vampire appear or not with OFB only?

Vampires should appear with NL, and Zombies only if you have Uni, I would assume.

I have all the ep's, as I said already, I just don't have the pet ep install anymore.  All the others are install.

And I did not simply uninstall the pet ep.  I actually uninstall and reinstall everything except for the pet EP.  and I have the OFB patch 2 install.

ah, the "with OFB without Pets" thing confused me, thought you had at one point been missing some EPs. no idea, then, sorry

Um, no, the option to turn someone into a Vampire appears on TJs' College Adjuster.  The option to turn someone into a Werewolf appeared on the Lot Debugger, along with the option to turn them into a Zombie.

How do access those "Turn into..." options? I've tried Debug mode and shift+click, but I've never seen them.

I saw it under Make me...Smart/Stupid, Zombie.

Your right Joe.. it was indeed zombie and werewolves.  Sorry.

It still does not explain to me what it does and how to use the zombie option.  When I tried it , my sim did not change one bit and the option was no longer available.  Do I need to make the Sim change outfit or take a shower before it takes effect?

The RTFM does not help, I did not saw any mention about these option in it.

It takes a little while for them to 'turn', as I recall.  Something that makes them change appearance speeds up the process.  I've not used it on playables, but I have on random townies, and I don't notice a change until the next time I see them in a walk-by or at a community lot.

However, if Zombie Apocalypse is active, they change as soon as they lose the fight.

Anyone know about those business options I was asking about a few posts up?


UPDATE - I went back to mum and dad's lot - the lotdebugger had an option to get rid of data for businesses that weren't based there any longer.  Once I'd clicked on that it went away.  Then I went back to the son's new house and was pleased to see the lotdebugger options had vanished.   So I guess you need to clean up on the lot where the business owner used to live first and then check for problems in the new home.

However, I did see a "move business home" option on one of the business lots.  Clicking on it didn't make it go away.  Have to check all the other lots sytematically I suppose.

The Move Business HQ option will appear anytime a business owner who has his "headquarters" tokens based on another lot is present on your lot. This allows you to transfer the flag of, say, a prospective move-in or spouse BEFORE you move him in, which is important if the move-in process dismantles the target's family due to moving in everyone from that family. I have no idea why it's not working, other than that you've previously corrupted the tokens by moving around. Try to get rid of duplicate data from other lots as well. And make sure you're using the latest version.

Unrelated Maxis problem. Cannot be fixed by hacking. Do not undo moving things in and out of the inventory.

The "paidness" tag tends to be slow to update for whatever reason. Check the QC of the employee if you're there for the real scoop. If QC < 1%, then  they're properly paid.

So to make sure I understand correctly...

Sim A owns a business in Bluewater. She is scheduled to marry Sim B and move into his home. So we are on Sim B's lot just before the wedding. We should click "Move Business HQ" just before they marry so that the first Sim's business is transfered correctly? Or should this be done only if Sim A had a home business instead?

My sim got married and moved out of his parents house to an unoccupied lot.  Parents also own businesses.  It would have been a bit hard to move the business to an unoccupied lot.  He was the one with the money, so his spouse couldn't occupy the big fancy mansion and ask him to move in.   I'm planning on doing the same thing again and I'd rather like to get it right next time.  I'll try and pin down where the remaining problems are from the first move and maybe sell the business and buy it back. 

step 1 - clean up on the old lot
When? Before the son moved out, while he was in the lot bin or once he was in his new house? 

step 2 - clean up on the new lot

step 3 ? check the businesses are working as intended.. and no options coming up on the lotdebugger anywhere?
Just to be clear - will the options always come up at the business lot because the owner is there or are they only coming up because there is a mess that needs clearing up?

I guess I've lots those 1st simoleon certs forever... :(  unless I can re-create them somehow..   I really wanted a trophy wall full of the damn things in his office!  Do they have any practical use in game?  You can buy duplicate deeds, why not duplicate 1st simoleon certs?

magicmoon - I don't know about home businesses - mine are community lot businesses.

I don't know what they do other than make everyone nod in approval and say "Uh-huh!" every time they walk past. 

Thats the "Best of the Best Reward" and he makes the Customers Buybar faster filled or something. I have nothing seen done by the 1st Simoleon certs exept mybe fun up like Paintings do.


Because it is the fist Simoleon your Sim earns in his business. ;) Where is the point if he can get a Duplikate, he should stay unike or it would not be the first one.

Looks like the awesome, shiny lotdebugger has fixed the business problems even though I did it in the wrong order originally.

I'm still getting options for "move business HQ home" when my owner is on one of his business lots and has his mother there employed as manager.  She also owns a business.  I didn't touch the option as the situation looked "as intended" to me.   Under what circumstances would I want to use this option on a business lot?   Given the dodgy clean up of business transfers, is running an estate agency actually a mess creating proposition?

Normal. Business tokens are family-related, not lot-related, so it doesn't matter what lot you're on specifically (although some options may be disabled off home lots). The option exists on the off-chance you want to move a sim in, crunching the family in the process (last member of a family moving out causes the family to be destroyed, resulting in the loss of all family tokens, so you have to use this option BEFORE moving in in this case).

There's no particular reason why you'd choose to do this at a business lot, unless for some reason you're marrying sims in ON a business lot, which seems to mess up the game if you do

Question about the new temperature stats:  What exactly does the "delta" value mean?

If he's using it in the standard way, I think it would mean how rapidly the value is changing in whatever direction it's changing in. It would be an indicator that your sims temp is rising (or falling) at that value per whatever time period it takes for the temp to change.

Is this option deactivated at the moment? and are there any plans to reactivate it?

It still works for me.

I believe the 'upgrade' option only works for pre-existing sims, like those that come with the game and various EPs/SPs, and the townies.  If you want ot upgrade a custom or b.i.g. sim, you can use TJ's college adjuster.

Nope, it works for any adult who does not have the college memories. Including CAS Sims and college drop-outs. But IIRC not for Sims who were kicked from college due to academic suspension.
Maybe the "uneducated" memory given to Sims who miss college prevents it?

Yes, I know it works for CAS sims.  I've done this several times lately.  Perhaps Trudy could give us more details as to what type of Sims she is trying to upgrade?

Ah yes, now that I think about it it does work for CAS adult sims.  It may be that the 'uneducated' memory blocks it, since I've never seen it for an adult b.i.g. sim (though just about all of my b.i.gs. go to uni anyway).

I think it has to do with the fact that CAS sims never had the opportunity to go to college, like the adult sims from other expansions who cannot go to college because they are past the eligible age.  But if your sim was a teen or younger and had the opportunity to go to college, but is a big fat loser, the Debugger isn't going to help you cheat them to degree status.  ;)

B.I.G. Sim?

And I still use the Upgrade option. I upgraded a lot of the Riverblossom simmies that way. It works fine on both pre-existing and CAS sims.

Are you using the current version? Mayhaps yours is out of date, and it is removing the option for you.

Ah, so the option was just deactivated because the poor sim did not deserve it ;-)

My mess I gess, I moved a dormy in with squinges no memory loss in place. So he has the memory of going to college, just not of graduating. I had hoped the debugger could fix this. But well.. if not he will have to live with it ;-)

If you are SimPe handy, you can delete the memory of going to college and try it that way.

Is the dormie still in college?  You can't upgrade a sim on campus either, just like you can't upgrade teens at home.  I haven't tried it on dormies.  If you're moving them into a dorm with playable sims, theoretically they can still get the want slots the "legal" way. 

ETA:  If you're moving them back to the home neighborhood, I've heard this can be a bit buggy, so you might have to do what Jelenedra suggested in that case. 

Hm.. I´ll try that, simpe is easy enough mostly. I was just a bit worried about it not beeing updated for seasons an such, but I gess for i minor thing like this... thanx

Born-in-game. :)

nah, simpe just gives me an error when I try to get to the memory.

Do you have a current version of SimPe? =P

Thanks, jsalemi, I should've known that.

You'll probably need the newest QA version of SimPE - I had the same problem with the last release version. Just sign up for the QA program and once in you can download it.

I have a penguin stuck on a portal on one of my lots.  At first the penguin just walked in place over the portal.  I used the Force Errors option (both on and off world) with the ffs lot debugger.  All that this does is switch the penguin to the opposite portal and it no longer walks in place but is more of a statue now.  My Sim cannot interact with the penguin to try and shoo it.  I have tried using the lot debugger a few times and each time the penguin is sent to the opposite portal.  Any suggestions?

Try the "moveobjects on" cheat and then go into buy mode and delete the penguin.

I have the same problem with the penguin and the portal. And using moveobjects dont work. I still cant interact with it at all. Ive even gone as far as trying to nuke it, wich caused the game to crash. So thats a no no.
Resetting dont work either. Im starting to think my family will have to pack up all belongings, and move to a more posh part of town, prerefably one without penguin harrasment.

I second what cyperangel said.  It cannot be removed with moveobjects.  I also did not have this problem when I played with straight Maxis code.  The penguin loves this particular lot because I have tons of fish plaques and a scarecrow in the garden.  The penguin comes every day and sometimes more than once in a day.  I guess that I can pull the hacks out, go back into the lot and see if that has any effect.  It would be great if the Lot Debugger could nuke the penguin though.

Penguin problem update.  Shutting the game down, then starting it back up seemed to fix the problem.  I was able to then use testingcheatsenabled to force an error and delete the penguin.  Last night, I could not do this, along with not being able to use moveobjects.  So, cyperangel and anyone else that this happens to, just try this and see if it works for you.

I'm fairly new with the lot debugger tool and am quite frankly a big chicken about picking the options that show up.  But I have heard that the lot debugger can help with the misplaced sales signs.  That it will remove them all at once.  My question is is this true and what options do I pick.  Alot of what I have been reading is very confusing to me and I'm not sure if I understand any of it.  Like the tokens, totally cunfuzzled abou that one!  So if you could talk to me like I'm five and walk me through this I would much apperciate it. 

The only options on this tool I use is clearing memory, mystery sim and uneducated sims (not sure if thats the write term).  So if this could help me with the very frusterating misplaced signs I would love to know how to fix it.  Thanks in advance.

The Best of the Best award also advertises strongly, I think.  Put it near your most expensive item and watch it fly off the shelves!

I get the option to "fix...work state" quite a bit on the Lot Debugger. 

What exactly am I fixing?

Fix Work State removes the perma-penalty bit for being Late (being late is worse than not going at all!), and set the "Doesn't Need To Go To Work" bit. This is used when your sim gets reset following a patch and isn't at work anymore as a result.

What does "Instance Cycle All Sims" do?  Does it help fix anything?

It's not a button for you. It stop-motion summons every sim in the game one at a time, in a slideshow. You don't want to push that button. Most things under shiftclick/Special should never, ever be touched, especially not by Dumb Rainbow-type People.

I have another feature you can add (one more useful Lua thing):


If you bring up the Baby Name dialog, do the Lua code, then bring up another Baby Name dialog, it will set the last name from the first name, and then you can enter the first name.

EDIT: You'd have to invoke the Lua like this:

"Smite" is now my all-time favorite! I love to zap my stupid sims! Makes the "hit by lightning" desire so easy to fulfill as well! You are trully awesome!

I ended up having to remove all of my saved games, lots, everything. Thanks for your help, I still don't know what happened.

Potentially stupid question regarding the nuke pregnancy token debug option...  does it work?  Should I hit cancel/reset/delete on the error that pops up?

I had occasion to use it recently, but found that the sim happily bumped away and gave birth anyway.   :-\

I'd imagine you'd hit delete.

After all, you are DELETING the pregnancy.  Reset would probably send it to the beginning, and cancel wouldn't do anything.

It would be really nice to have an RTFM for Dummies that explained in detail what each option on the debugger does.  For those of us who aren't Awesome enough to figure it out for ourselves.  Gee, if we were Awesome we could make our own.

So please, please a new RTFM? 

hedgekat

I second that.

I've just recently got an option called "Show Plague Info".  it gives me a readout like this:
SH: 0
LD: -1
CS: 42
CT: -1
RP: 0
RHC: 2
UNK: 0

I've never gotten this before.  It's under Info with "Test IQ".
I'd like to know what all of this means... :)

That option only comes up if someone on your lot is sick.

But what do all the numbers mean? ???

A new RTFM would be good, it's taken me ages to find what some of the less frequently used options mean and it's a pain trawling through the thread (even with the search tool) to find out what various things do.

There's a thread in the War Room about a detailed study of the plague.  Many of those terms and what they mean are summarised there by JMP.

Christianlov has/had a last name changer (looks like a painting), but he seems to have removed his hacks from MTS2. I'm not sure if he's just moved them to another site, or if he's done with modding for good. I can PM it to you or post it here if you're interested.

Edit: Hmmm, I'm not sure why I thought Christianlov is female. Well, I've changed the above sentences to reflect the correct information. Oops!

Post here if you turn them up, since I use a couple of her hacks, and I'm sorry to hear she's 'disappeared'.

I think Christianlov is a dude, and the new version of the Debugger includes First->Last copy.

Good Day to you,

Please let me introduce you to a site I met this week while searching for a lot.  It is meant to restore the things people might need to make recolors, replace things lost, and to make things work by people whose sites are now closed, rather than like a PMBD type site (two different needs, two different sites, perfect pair).  I really appreciate the person who sent me there, and I think you will appreciate the brilliance of the person who created this repository.

http://files.sims2graveyard.com/christianlov/

Some may have just lost interest or could no longer afford to support a site, but it is my feeling from what I've been reading on the net for months, that some site owners, creators, etc. appeared to be mean spirited and intended to hurt people in the community by withdrawing their...  er, ah...  wares.  I find it rather fitting that the wind is taken out of those particular sails.  After all, think of those innocents who created artwork, etc. built upon those site owners meshes.  But hark!  Isn't that what the site owners were doing to Maxis/EA???  Funny how what goes around comes around.

What I find even nicer yet, is that Pescado and company keep adding things to already awesome items, and we can take things out of burgeoning downloads folders.  *please note, no ty words being used here  ;P

Now if I could just find a copy of nengi65’s Yummy Night Out Seafood Restaurant/Summer Fun Seafood Restaurant/The Crumplebottom Trap which is not at the sims2graveyard, I’d be in business.  Yes, she is retired at the moment, too.

LL

Is that for changing a sim's last name in game?

He was a student at uni I am not sure but I remember one post he made that he had exams on and had to study for them. Mybe he finished and move on and no more stuff for the sims.

Yes, it will change a sim's last name to be the same as his first name.

Why would you want to?

To change a sim's last name? Any number of reasons. Why only first name to last name? Because that's the only way we have to accept an arbitrary string. So you change the first name to the desired last name, copy to last name, then change it back. Isn't that obvious? Or did someone eat your brains for breakfast in that bowl of Witch Puffs?

Your way sounds like a right royal pain in the butt pes. I'll be sticking with Christianlov's last name changer thingy for that, I think. Nice & easy.

Could there be a way to change the household name ? I know (and I do it quite often) how to do that with simpe, but I would really appreciate a way to do it in game. Thanks.

Christianlov's copier is a 136K piece of bloatware, larger than Macrotastics itself, and yet uses only Maxis textures and resources. It should be like 15K, tops, so the bloat itself is bigger than the entireity of Macrotastics. It also is limited only to copying names from an EXISTING sim, whereas the Debugger can allow you to set an arbitrary last name that does not need to already exist in the game. If I want to change Brynne's last name back to "Silly", I can. Even if nobody in the game still has that last name.

I guess it was brains for breakfast. I don't even know how to change a sim's first name in game.  :-\

Though I can definitely see the usefullness of this mod now, I usually do name changes in SimPE.

Anytime you can avoid quitting and going to SimPE is a good thing. Plus, Mac users dun got SimPE.

I don't recall precisely, but this particular method leaves the possibility of a messed-up tool tip on the skewer (unless you Copy First to Last then perform another Set Firstname). Evidently, the game engine relies on the Baby Dialog to invalidate the old tool tip.

This particular method can have some caching issues: You have to let the game run a few ticks after changing the first time or it won't copy.

Just for clarification:

By "a few ticks" do you mean a few sim seconds? And do we need to let the game run for a few sim seconds between each change? or just that first time?

Yes. Unpause and let the game "chew" on those changes for a second before trying another change.

Could someone kindly direct me to a step-by-step tutorial on how to completely delete a Sim from the game? I've done this twice now and fucked up the entire neighborhood's residents both times. :(

See Deleted II: Electric Boogaloo! (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,6205.0.html)

As someone else has already seconded this I shall third it. I feel like I'm missing bugs since I don't have the courage to click on things I don't understand ... Pretty Please a new RTFM JM? I'd promise to be your fangirl for life but I already am ;D

Cass :)

Um, I don't think fangirls particularly appeal to JM.  Perhaps an offering of blood or sacrificing a goat or some such.

Throw babies into the volcano for Pele?

I am trying to find out how to regenerate missing tombstones and urns using this debugger.  How do I find that option?

Pause the game, summon a dead sim with an Ingelogical shrub, make it selectable by shiftclicking on it, select it, then SHIFT-CLICK on the debugger to spawn its tombstone, and give it 2 orders in a row, like move here, sit there, to stop it from "dying on another lot".

What does "Remove global urnstone tokens" mean?  I'm getting this in several lots in an old Pleasantview neighborhood I've recently returned to.

It removes all the "urnstone in transit" tokens. Sometimes they can become dangling and lost. Pushing the option while you have a tombstone in transit (Sent, but not visited, moved, and saved) will result in the loss of the tombstone.

I've got a lot with 2 sims and LotDebugger is constantly harping on the Fix-Work State for both of them.  It turns up all the time, every single day, appears before and after work.  Neither of them has been late for work even once (which is what, I understand, it's supposed to fix.) 

It may make perfect sense to the awesome, but I'm obviously not awesome. I'm just curious about what's going with that and how it all works. Does it have something to do with their motive state when they leave for work? Though they've been pretty green when they leave for work; it's not too hard to get them out the door in good shape when there are only the two of them.

p.s. What the hell is frobnication?  I think that's the word.  I haven't touched that one...

Fix Work State exists to set the "Exemption" bit, so the option will always exist unless you have already done it. If you go to work anyway, it has no effect, but this is useful if you get reset after a patch or expansion install and are unable to go to work (without immediately being heavily and permanently penalized), or have a job where the carpool will not appear after a new lot move-in.

If you don't know what Frobnication is, don't frobnicate anything. The description itself serves to ward off the ignorant.

You only do shit like that to make people insanely curious so that they'll go and click it just to find out what happens, so that you may then sit around and say "I told you so" in a snidely-superior tone, right?

...not that I can't identify with that impulse...

I'm not going to try it, anymore than I'm going to decimate neighborhood, but I'd still like to know what it means.

Make a backup and do it!

-snicker- And when you do, post here for the rest of us chickens! I always wanted to know what it did..

The version of the lot debugger attached to the first post of this thread - does it have the new(er) "last name" feature? I thought (unawesomely, undoubtedly) if you'd updated the hack, the 'last edited' date would be more recent?

FFS and Jeffistani files are not actually SMF attachments, so no, the first post doesn't need to be edited to manipulate them. We actually just drop them into a directory tree via FTP, which is why you can browse the indexed directory raw.

Ah, I see. <non-thanks> I pulled it out of the Seasons directory where it was clearly labeled as newer than the one I had, but sometimes I just look at the first post of the threads for new features, and I missed this one <reminds self just to check the directory from now on>.

Tho it could stand to be added to the list of features on the first post - being as it's a really shiney and even sparkly one. <has wanted that forever and it's much better than the Christianluv one as I don't like unnecessary placeholder sims (to get the last name so I could give it to the sim I wanted to have it.)

Nuking gossip memories:

My neighborhood is big and I am trying to ward off a possible future Big Fiery Ball From Space. (I have a "met self" memory and no one can tell me how to remove it retroactively without SimPE.  I have a Mac.)  I have heard that the Lot DeBugger can help, but I am too chicken to use it, because I'm not quite sure what nuking gossip memories can do or if there are any potential damaging side effects.

I tried it out on my longest-played lot; saved, hit Memory/Erase Gossip/From All--and it returned a list of over 12,000 memories.  Then I exited without saving.

So again:  what does nuking those gossip memories actually do, can it have harmful effects, and if so, what would those effects be?  It's a neighborhood with a halfway played legacy.  I would rather not lose it.

PB

It does just what it says -- it nukes (gets rid of) all the useless gossip memories that are clogging up the memory trees of all the sims in your hood, dead and alive.  You'd be surprised how far gossip can travel (and duplicate), even among non-playable townies.  I've seen gossip memories going back generations in one townie's memory when I checked it in SimPe, and most of the people being gossiped about were long dead (heck, their kids were dead, and their grandkids about to become elders :) ).

Gossip memories are like a plague that spread around and around, and eventually get corrupted, leading to things like the jagged lines in the sim's 'thought box'.  Clearing them out just breaks the chain of old gossip topics, and lets whole new ones start.  And clearing them out also cuts the size of your neighborhood package file way down, which will help loading times.

I actually don't think it matters if you save the lot you're on or not -- I believe the memories are nuked from the entire hood as soon as you run that on any lot.  So if you go into the same lot and run it again, you'll find the number of gossip memories is a lot smaller (maybe 0 if you haven't played any other lots yet).  If I'm wrong (and I may be :) ), then just run it and save -- your hood will thank you....

You have to save in order for any changes to take.

Hey, not that it's terribly important, but I just tried having a look at recoloring this thing and apparently it can't be done? SimPE made a valiant attempt, but the recolor package it coughed up from Object Workshop didn't actually have a texture in it. (Or, um, anything I could recognize as anything.) Is it a lost cause? I was thinking about making it look like a cardboard moving box -- y'know, something Sims really WOULD have in their basement/attic/closet or the back room of their business -- with a label to identify it.

What sim wouldn't have a Batman box in their basement? Your simmies are lame.

I once ripped the Batman texture out and replaced it with something else, but I quickly realized that I didn't care enough to edit the object every single time it gets updated.   :P   Just put it somewhere where you won't see it until you need it.

That's what foundations and roof gaps are for.  :P

Yeah, I don't lack for hiding places, I just figured it'd be fun to recolor it now that I have finally bothered to learn how. (The SimPE part, I mean.) It is indeed not worth the trouble to do so every time it's updated, though, so I'll just have to keep hiding it.

The object isn't meant to "blend in". It's strictly OOC, you're supposed to ignore it much like one would ignore the puppeteers in puppet theater.

Bah.  Hiding it in the foundation or attic removes it from sight even more than recoloring it to look like a cardboard box would.  We hide it because it looks out of place and silly in screenshots, like the puppeteer sticking his head up to watch his own puppet show.

Not quite. Hiding it in the foundation or the attic leaves it clearly visible, but clearly outside the gameworld. Hiding it as a disguised object makes it impossible to find it when you need it.

Hmph.  I can find the ACR controller just fine, and it looks like a potted plant.  Who had trouble finding the lot debugger?  I want to point and laugh.

Eh, I hide the ACR controller under the foundation too, along with the lot debugger, the macrotastics box, and the lot sync timer.  :P  Disguising the ACR controller is fine if you never use the decorative potted plant, but what if you have the decorative ones scattered (or clustered  :o) somewhere on the lot?  I only have a dozen lots to play but it's pretty hard to remember which potted plant is the ACR controller.

In my houses, the ACR controller is the plant in the largest downstairs bathroom.  I never have problems finding it, even though I switch the plant type all the time.   :P

the ACR controller looks good as a stack of phonebooks, I tend to stick it near the phone  :D   I wish the Lot debugger did look like a cardboard moving box, it would look prefect in some of my poorer sims homes/frontyards  ;)


quite a few of the shrubs in front of my sims homes are InSIM sectionals, I have no trouble keeping track of which shrub is which sectional.


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