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I got the message, downloads are ready for your computer and I got the IE 7 in the critical downloads well I have it now and it keeps  deleting my cookies. 

 I have to log in to all my favorite sites over and over.   I have read the instruction manuel and it only tells you how to delete cookies not how to keep them. 

 I am going to have to get rid of this goofy thing and try to go back to 6.0.    It said there was a way to delete it or maybe I will just try using system restore.    I hate this thing.   >:(

Ever heard of Firefox?

Just a thought. ;)

No, really, I use IE only when it's absolutely necessary - I can't even remember when I last used it actually...

Of course it sucks.

Firefox is faster, much slicker, and most importantly trim and sleek.

To change your settings go to Tools--Internet Options--Privacy--Advanced

You can roll back the version if you can find the .exe...

My husband is out of town and he im'ed me saying ie7 is out and he thinks i'll like it better than firefox...boy was he ever so wrong. It sucks...especially the tabbing. I mean if you are going to copy a feature at least get it right.

well I got rid of it, it was in the add remove programs.   Now auto update is nagging me to get it back !!!!   argh

yes, I tried firefox but heard that is was not as secure as IE.   I dunno ???

I thought I was the only person still using IE, I'm slowly coming around to the idea of Firefox though.  

I think firefox 2.0 is the a litte better than using ie6. So if that's what you're using now, you might as well make the change. It's functionality is so much better than ie.

No, it's definitely not as secure as IE. Nothing could possibly be as insecure as Internet Exploder! FurryFox is WAAAAY more secure than Internet Exploder. Fat Head was using Internet Exploder, and got a Flagrant System Error. Computer over. Virus = very yes.

I use both because some websites do not support Firefox.

IE7 is slow as all get out and I get debug errors a lot.  It pisses me off, but does not surprise me.

You just have to go to the Firefox extensions page and get 'IE Tab' -- it lets you use the IE engine in a Firefox tab for websites that don't support IE. You can set it to automatically activate for certain websites. I haven't had a problem with it, and I don't think I've loaded IE since I got it.

"Critical" update.  ;D Hilarious what you Windows people have to put up with.  :P

Get bloody Safari. At least it blocks adverts automatically, Firefox ain't half bad, a nice browser that I use on the very rare occasions that Safari can't cope/

What? Someone told you IE was secure? You shouldn't be logging advice from dolts, ya know. ;)

*modified because of unawesomeness*

Never, ever, EVER take a stupid person seriously!

Opera (http://www.opera.com) is a browser that is faster (at least on Windows) and more secure than Firefox.  In addition, it has more features built-in and still uses memory than Firefox without extensions.  Speaking of which, if you're not using extensions such as Adblock Plus and DownThemAll you're better off using something else if you're on Windows and haven't compiled Fx yourself.

Supposedly Firefox 3 will be faster since they're ditching some legacy code but we'll have to see.

wow. pissy much?


(edit: in response to ThyGuy)

Unfortunately, many websites look like crap in Opera - though they (the guys who wrote Opera) always claim to have the most standard compliant browser there is...

Well, for me, Firefox is the only way to go!

ThyGuy, I'm not sure what the reason for such a hostile response was, but relax.

Thanks jsalemi, I should have done that before. I'm not sure why I didn't. 

sorry, just work in business with people complaining about programs and its their own fault the program isn't working right.

Lemme rephrase in a less angry way.

IE can be setup so it's not insanely retarded. firefox still totally beats IE because it's even easy to customize to your needs, and totally owns IE 7, which is just garbage.

ThyGuy I get what you are saying.  I was in the IT field for almost 10 years.  I have to be more patient and understanding with folks that just do not have the experience I do.  Not everyone is computer savvy.

I also over look or forget things myself, stupid things, and get quite embarrassed when I do. 

I was going to say that I have a lot of friends who work in IT and I get to hear all of their horror stories, so I can somewhat imagine how frustrating it must be. I think theisz said it better than I could have.  :)

Also, if we're going to talk about which looks the best, I'm going to have to say that Internet Explorer 7 looks the best, but that's me.

I don't really see too much of a speed difference between Firefox and Internet Explorer 7. Some sites load at the same rate, some faster, some slower.

I've got to agree with you here though, there's quite a few sites that I visit that don't render right in Opera.  The Opera team can flaunt the fact they can get a smiley with the Acid2 test, but it seems that anything that passes that test has problems rendering things as well as Firefox or IE.

IE7's interface is horrible and I believe it's a tad slower than what it used to be.  Sure it's a little more secure than IE 6 but why risk it when Firefox and Opera exist?

That can't be right.  I have IE 7 and after I've logged in to things once, I never have to log in again.  The only time I do have problems is when Evil Norton at home decides they are 'unwanted' cookies and promptly deletes them.  Lucky I don't have Norton at work  ;)

I use Firefox cos I'm not computer savvy and I'm skeered of Microshaft anything!  I had no idea evilNorton was responsible for deleting cookies. I had Norton 2004 with never a problem, but since it's no longer supported I bought the 2006 version.  Since then I've had nothing but trouble with cookies being deleted willy nilly....I've had to retype my 16 digit loging for internet banking so often I now know it by heart  :-[  I've checked my Norton settings, and my browser settings and everything looks right.  So far, the longest I've been able to stay logged in anywhere is a week (this week....knock on wood) so maybe it's fixed itself......

I hardly ever stay logged in for a week, but that's because I delete my cookies anal-retentively. It's not too much of a problem to just sign in every once in a while, but I could see how it would get annoying if you didn't do it yourself. However, Norton is a pretty awful anti-virus program, I have to say. If it's impossible to shut down from Task Manager, then I'm not purchasing it, ever.

I don't trust Microsoft either. I allow it to nag me about updates, but I never let it download and install them automatically- I carefully pick and choose which ones I want.

I gave IE7 a pass. I saw it in beta and was not impressed--they're just copying firefox, which is probably a lot less bloated anyway...

plus I was tipped off by the fact that it was an update "for genuine windows users." After that little bundle of spyware they sent out recently, I thought it was best not to install.

Thyguy: don't be a jerk. Yes, explorer can be fiddled with, for those with lots of patience, and who care about exploring every aspect of some stupid browser program, but NO, it's not user friendly. Like all microsoft products it is extremely confusing, poorly designed, and relatively illogical. Generally the more "user friendly" something is, the harder it is to figure it out- especially for people with limited knowledge. It's really not that intuitive.

Wait, does the new IE 7 download have that spyware attatched to it? I haven't had genuine Windows since completely reformating my harddrive to clear out all the crap Hewlitt Packard shipped it with. I use Firefox anyway, but I wanted to replace my IE6 with IE7 since there are sites that don't support Fx at all.

Damn...who still uses IE anyways.

i don't know if it has the spyware or not, but based on the line about having a genuine version of windows installed, I thought it probably would

The three times I installed it (Beta 2, RC1, Final) it didn't install WGA, or at least that's what the remover for WGA said.

You obviously have never worked on a web project with extensive usage of CSS and got insane like I did. ;)
IE simply CAN'T do CSS - neither version 1 nor version 2 not to mention version 3.

That's what my comment on "look" was about. Firefox (and apparently Opera) know many of the CSS1, -2 and -3 options and interpret them quite well.
Admittedly, they're not perfect either - especially Opera - but IE simply sucks with CSS.

Ask any web developer and you'll get the same response...

I started using IE7 yesterday.  It's... ok...  but I wish I could rearrange my toolbars etc, not just the little handful of icons on the right.  I would love to get rid of the builtin search box and move my refresh nearer to my back button.

you know you are not a nice person.  I do know how to use a computer, I do not let it install anything I have mine set to notify when updates are available.  You should be ashamed of yourself, talking to an

elderly lady like that or to  anybody for that matter.  I may cry.   :'(   

  I iove MATY and I have never been talked to like that here.  I always thought this was a place where you could get help with any problem and not be attacked.  Oh they might razz me on occasion but that I can handle.





Vecky, I like it too except for the having to log in over and over, but it may be my Norton Anit-virus but it never did it before I got the 7.0

  thanks

Don't worry about it, he's officially unawesome.

Safari is an Apple product, and is not available for Windows, as far as I know. Most of the people in this forum are not Apple users, so Safari would be useless to them.

I've read and heard nothing but bad, bad things about IE 7.  So I'm gonna leave it be.  I'm a Firefox user anyway.  Hell, I don't even have the IE icon on my desktop, because its ugly and offensive and made of suck.   :P

Besides, when Vista comes out and everyone pirates it we'll be stuck with IE 7 anyway.  Might as well keep IE 6 around until then.  At least it half-assed works.

I also heard that rumor about it installing the WGA malware with it.  And like I'm sure most people here do, I question the authenticity of my installation of XP.

geez...chill out!   OH i like IE7 and there is no WGA that came with it.  How about fuck you and the furryfox you rode in on? ;D >:(

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/kewian/kittenpile.jpg)

That's what I thought too Inge ;)  You know, that's my main reason for coming here, I learn so much and I find it really helpful to know other's opinions on things that are sometimes beyond me - I'm not afraid to admit that.  LynnMar didn't deserve that at all.

I've had IE 7.0 for 2-3 days now and I think it's great.

I finally went to Firefox when I was using IE7 in beta, and it completely broke Quicktime on me, so badly that uninstall/reinstall in various ways didn't work.

IE7 is just Firefox that they messed up, anyway.   ::) They took a perfectly good browser and then because they didn't want to be accused of stealing it, they did insane things and moved the buttons out of intuitive places, just so it would look different.

I love that you can set IETab to automatically open certain pages in IE every time you go there. Like the Windows Update page, or the MSN boards.

To really get Windows to stop bugging you about the update, pick Custom instead of automatic installation (I let it automatically download, but NOT install), uncheck IE7, and then click the box that says something like don't bother me about this anymore (I paraphrase. LOL) That way you can still get the security updates and be alerted to them immediately and not have to be bothered with IE7. I always pick and choose which idiot updates I install this way. If, for some retarded reason, you ever change your mind about something, you can then go to the Windows Update page and make it show you the things you told it not to bother you about. 

Aw, I thought I had a thing installed that tricked GENUINE ADVANTAGE into thinking a had a legit copy of Windows, but I don't, so it wouldn't let me install so I could decide I didn't like it and never use it...:(

Besides, I'm lost and sad without my multitude of Firefox extensions...

Well said, kewian! LynnMar certainly came in on ThyGuy's cranky day, huh? By the by... awww, look at the pretty kitties.

Yes, I'm not a web developer of any kind, for sure. I'm not even sure what CSS is. What I do know is that Firefox and Opera don't seem to display a few things properly (mostly Opera, yes), but I'm willing to sacrifice that for the all around better capabilities of the other browsers.

True Kewian.  Although I use FF, I really couldn't care less what bro...

/me notices the kitten pile.

/me is overcome by fluffy cuteness!

There is no data. There is only XUL.

I knew my boss was an idiot when he refused to let me install "dodgy freeware programs like firefox and spybot." I'm using a hideous IE 6/McAffee config right now and it gives me migraines.

Well, I AM a web developer (ok, more of a designer -- there *is* a difference, believe it or not), and I have found IE to be the only browser that displays CSS (cascading style sheets) properly. Neither DHTML (dynamic hypertext markup language) nor JavaScript (self-explanatory) display properly in Opera or Firefox. Netscape is generally ok, but it doesn't show custom scrollbars, which is annoying, unless all of your webpages happen to be silver. I wish the w3c would force a browser standardisation already, so web designers can quit pulling their hair out every time they go to test their damn web documents!

</rant>

not: obviously you don't know HTML and CSS then.

The guy who originally proposed CSS is Opera's CTO. And both Opera and Furryfox have developers who wrote the standards--standards  which the W3C, of which Microsoft is a member, has adopted.

Microsoft's is the only browser which still does not support HTML 4 (Abbr tag?) or CSS2 (generated content? proper box model?).

Firefox -vs- IE

This thread made me start thinking about a funny story so I thought I'd share...

When I was in the military, I was a network administrator. I installed Firefox on my computer, which, coincidently was also the machine I had to let people take the "are you smart enough to use a computer" test. A few people noticed my firefox icon in the quick launch and requested that I put it on their computer, but I told them I couldn't. Well, when I got to my only-2-weeks-left-in-the-military-i-don't-give-a-shit-about-anything mode I installed firefox on 200 of the 250 computers we had in the unit. I did it because I knew that my evil boss from hell would fail her next inspection because of it. Anyhow...the stupid bitch did, of course, fail, but instead of uninstalling the program...she formatted all of the computers and really cursed the shit out of my name...or so I heard. 

Don't get me wrong - IE is definitely flawed, but from a purely superficial design-oriented standpoint, pages still look best on IE (functioning properly is another story).

The only real script support that Firefox lacks is Active X, which is proprietary to Microsoft and the major reason FOR your IE security holes.

I have a low opinion of those that use Active X in their sites anyways.

Edit: I have yet to come across a page that didn't display properly in Firefox.

I turned ActiveX almost completely off in my copy of IE7.  99% of the sites show correctly.  The 1% that don't, I think about, and usually don't bother to visit them again.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,127564/article.html

Obviously. If you design your page for IE's flaws it will only look right in IE. If, on the other hand, you write valid HTML and CSS, your page will look best in Opera, Furryfox, Safari, KDE, or any other browser which actually supports web standards.
99.9% of all pages does not validate.

I've never liked IE...Over all I am pleased with the new version of Firefox...I like the spell check feature, and I like how clicked links will open in new tabs instead of creating new windows-that way I don't need to right click and select "Open in new tab"

Truer words have never been spoken!

If you create web sites using standard CSS and XHTML you'll get crazy with IE - IE can't handle even the simplest things like the "outline" CSS property. Don't get me started!

I stopped creating web pages for money, because all my clients always wanted them to look great in IE - I simply couldn't take it anymore - always having to modify a perfect Firefox designed (standard compliant!) page to look right in IE - cause then, of course, they  looked awful in any other browser.

So, you're absolutely right: IE [insert any version number here] is like a black hole: it sucks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers

 ::)

indeed my website support, FireFox, Safari, (Maybe) Opera but not IE ...
the nonstandart is IE and not Firefox :P

btw IE 7 is mutch more standard than IE6, now it support also Transparent PNG, while IE6 not and need a long script to fix the problem <_<

anyway IE7, like Vista, is a TustedComputing software stay away from that stuff !!!

I've been looking for this for so, so long.

Please don't double post, especially if the second post (which has since been deleted) is exactly the same as the first post, except in a larger font.

Pescado needs a few SMF mods.

I would totally be a mod if I could mod in haiku format exclusively.  :D

Amen.  Any semi-serious web designer who tries to create HTML/XHTML and CSS compliant sites knows that IE is the absolute *worst* when it comes to handling compliancy.  There are so many "workarounds" we have to use in order to get sites to work properly in IE just because IE was so crap; hopefully with IE7, we won't need to use them anymore, but since people will be using IE6 for ages to come, we'll still need to include them anyway :/

I'm having issues w/ the most recent version of Firefox. I can't seem to download from forums like MATY by opening the files. It'll always pop up w/, you have chosen to open XXX.zip, would you like to save?, and the only option is save and cancel. Does anyone know how to fix this?

mines not doing that..... i'm loving the tabs in the new explorer personally :D

I'm not using IE. Firefox. Furryfox. Whatever pple like to call it.

You're right, it's doing that to me too. Since I never open, I always save it to disk, I hadn't noticed and had to give it a test.

Don't forget stupid!

But really, don't let computers scare you. A little looking around and a little fooling around, mixed with screaming fits of rage when you do something dumb, and you'll figure out any program.

I learned 90% of the stuff I know about computer by just looking around and figuring out how things work. But I've also had to format a computer four hours after getting it, so... :D

To automatically save particular files, go to "about:config" and type in "save" in the Filter. Then change the "browser.helperApps.neverAsk.saveToDisk" to something like this:


Add whatever other mime types you want to automatically save as well.

Go into Tools > Options > Content. Click on "Manage...", then scroll down to ZIP. Select it, then click "Change Action...". Click on the "Open them with this application:" radio button, then browse to the .exe of your preferred archive program. Click OK.

Alternatively, do what dizzy suggested, but replace "browser.helperApps.neverAsk.saveToDisk" with "browser.helperApps.neverAsk.openFile".

Weirdly enough, there's no .Zip in the list of extensions under manage. And I'd rather not turn off asking entirely. Occasionally I'd like to save Zips to disk, but w/ sims files I prefer to just open and extract. I'm really liking the updates for this version except for this annoying little tidbit.

And therein lies the rub. Alas, most people still use IE, because it comes bundled on their shiny new PCs, so if you are trying to sell a product or service via the web, your pages need to look good on IE. I hate it too, but that, unfortunately, is the situation.

Sunairsims doesn't, for one. (At least it doesn't for me.) I just stopped going there 'cause I hate to use IE ><
Fuzzyfox ftw.

What does "ftw" mean anyway?

For the win.

Internet Explorer just sucks in general, I sadly have to have it still installed because some sites just do not want to work with Firefox.

I mean, they're only just now caught onto the fact having tabs makes sense instead of having IE windows cluttering the bloody toolbar! Also, has anyone else noticed that when you try to update Windows and it tries to go the Microsoft Updates page, it won't work in Firefox?  :D

It sounds like something with rude words to me.   The first words that come to my mind are f*ck and tw*t and w*nk.  Usually.

In Los Angeles, FTW usually means Fuck the World. You see it spraypainted under freeways and appears commonly in anti establishment song lyrics.

Yes, due to the stupid Active X programming. Install IE Tab, set Windows/Microsoft update to always open in an IE Tab (as well as any other sites that don't work properly in Firefox), forget about using IE.

ftw = for the win = something like 'is the best'.

I'm tainted by socialising in certain online circles, I'm afraid.

I use Firefox, have for 2-3 years now, Opera before that. The only sites I currently can't open in Firefox are the SimWardrobe site and my logon for work via Citrix. I suspect active x scripting is the problem with the work site, it wanted to install .asp files and Firefox just ignored them. I don't know why SimWardrobe doesn't work, I keep forgetting 'open in IE tab', must try that.

PS linni, I don't believe you can uninstall Internet Exploiter, from what Jordi & Dizzy were saying on another thread, it's too integrated with the Windoze shell.

Simwardrobe works in Opera ;)

linni: MSIE unfortunately cannot be uninstalled from Windows 2000 or later. You can salvage Win98 (all versions) and Win95C by using the Win95A or Win95B explorer.exe instead of the "new" (IE4-integrated) one, but this is not available for the NT code tree. The old NT4 explorer.exe will not run Win2k or XP.

What version are you using?  I have Firefox 1.5.0.9 and had no problems with http://www.simwardrobe.com/

Ummm, you do know there's a difference between explorer and INTERNET explorer, right?  One is windows basic processing and you can't really do much other than hit the reset button if you shut it down. The other should only ever run if you start it and is a web browser. It doesn't really hurt anything to have it on your system, just don't use it as your default browser.

In IE versions 6 and lower (and Windows versions XP and lower), they are normally too integrated to tell. For instance, type in a URL in Windows Explorer's address bar, and it opens in IE. Similarly, type C:\ (or your hard drive's drive letter) in IE6's address bar and watch what happens.

And in answer to the statement, "you can't really do much other than hit the reset button if you shut it down", you can press Ctrl-Alt-Del, switch to the Applications tab, click on "New Task..." and type in "explorer".

EDIT: Also, linni, you might be interested in XPLite (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=XPLite&oldid=81071807).

Can I just ask something? I thought I had firefox 2.0 installed before. Yesterday it reported an update and I installed it while I was on the phone, so I didn't really check the version. Now I look I actually have 1.5.0.9. But on the website it says 2.0 is available, but it can't be found when I tell the program to check for updates. Well maybe I never had 2.0 (can't trust my memory these days)
But has anybody tried 2.0? I heard it was a bit unstable, should I wait until the last minute to hop on? (maybe it is stable though, I could've been dreaming for all I know.)

I just don't get Firefox's Auto update sometimes, it wouldn't upgrade a 2.0 RC3 version to 2.0 even though it's been out for a week for example.  It seems to catch the 2.0.0.1 bugfix update just fine if you have 2.0 installed though.  At least it's better than Opera's Auto update which sticks another icon in the "Add/Remove Programs" list whenever you update it.

I've been using Fx 2.0 since the RC1 release and I haven't had the thing crash on me yet.  I barely use Opera anymore because of Fx's new version.

I see Pseudonymous, maybe I'll download it then, in a week maybe. :) Anyone else?

Pseudo: hence the move to an MSI setup (new installer)… WISE (classic installer) has had its day.

1.5.0.9

The links don't all work, I can't load the programmes page for instance. I assumed the links were active scripted or something bizarre.

ETA: No, the broken bits for me are on the programme page, click on either of the first two options, the NPC Replacer or the Hack Conflict Detector and the site flips me back to the front page. Maybe it isn't Firefox after all.

Edit2: Works fine in an IE tab.

In simwardrobe, I only have trouble opening multiple links at a time. If I try to open the programs page and objects page in separate tabs, it sends me to the main page in both tabs. So I go one link at a time in the same window. Not so good as I have to go back and forth a lot. :)

Turn off javascript there ;)

I'm using 1.5.0.9 and it just now worked fine for me. Maybe because I use NoScript.  ;D

I'll try that next time, thanks Jordi. Baaaa!

Cheers guys. Does anything NOT work if I set noscript?

You'll want to allow javascript on sites like this one (forums).

I used the information found here (http://www.mydigitallife.info/2006/12/03/permanent-method-to-crack-wga-and-patch-windows-xp-inc-mce-or-2003-as-genuine/) to install IE7 and WMP11.  I use Firefox, but I wanted to see what all the fuss over IE7 was about and how it compared to Firefox.  I still like Firefox better because I've grown accustomed to my favorite extensions, which aren't available in IE.  The interface is pretty, but as we know, that's just eye-candy, and you can do the same if you wanted to with skins in Firefox.  I upgraded to Firefox 2.0.  I had the latest updates for 1.5.9, but I had to download Firefox 2.0 separately.  I'm liking it so far.  I also like the built-in spellchecker, but I'd been using the one with the Google toolbar for a while and I still use it too.  I didn't have any problem downloading from here with Firefox 2.0 as someone mentioned.  I'm still getting the same dialogue box saying Open, Flashgot, DownThemAll, or Save.

I'm trying to decide if I should get my mom to switch over to Firefox.  She listens to me pretty well, but I just have to make it simple for her.  She is used to using IE and does better than most people on the computer, but I don't want to confuse her.  My concern is that she won't understand when a page doesn't display properly because it's been designed for IE or if she can't get something to work like it did before.  I'm finding those less and less though, and I figure with IE tab, I can just tell her if it doesn't work right, try clicking the IE button, and let me know.  What do y'all think?

you shoud try Gran Paradiso, it's great but also, it's an alpha  ;D
"half man alerted, half man saved"

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.0a1/releasenotes/