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I added OFB straight to base game and it looks like I haven't got a full set of LifeTimeWants.  Can anyone else who's missing an EP or two confirm or refute that?  I suspect it's not having Uni that's the problem. 

I've got max 5 businessess.  I've got all the family sim LTWs apart from the obvious 6 College graduates one.  My other sims are only throwing career LTWs.  The count related LTWs like - max 5 skills and make 30 best friends, woohoo X sims - are there as wants, but NOT as LTWs.  DK if that's "as intended", deliberate, accidental or just not true.   The count ones aren't coming up on the Logdebugger no matter how many times I re-roll. I've got saner LTW in as well, but it doesn't look to Pescado or me as if that's the problem.   I have never seen these wants in my game and it's a large hood. 

I would guess that their icon resources only existed in Uni, so they're unavailable outside of Uni.

I can confirm this. During my last re-install I left out uni, and I haven't got a full set of LTW either. The " x college graduates/ x lovers/ x woohoos/ 7 max skills" LTW all require uni. Which sucks because I get tired of my romance sims not aspiring to be greatest sluts ever anymore, I have enough celebrity chefs in my neighbourhood thank you very much. >:(

One of the posters on the old Sims1 board has base game and NL.  She says she has these LTWs in her game.

I seem to remember that I had them as well, with only NL and the base game... although I don't remember if I ever got the "have x lovers" LTW. I wonder why they'd be removed from OFB?

I'm afraid, however, that I can't confirm it for you anymore.

I took out Uni after playing for an hour or so, and returned to my NL-only game.  The LTWs I got (by aspiration) are:

Family - Captain Hero, Marry Off 6 Kids, Golden Anniversary
Knowledge - Chief of Staff, Mad Scientist, Criminal Mastermind
Pleasure - 50 First, 50 Dream, Pro Party Guest
Popularity - Mayor, General, Captain Hero
Romance - PPG, Celebrity Chef, Hall of Famer
Wealth - Chief of Staff, Tycoon, Criminal Mastermind and (with OFB) 5 Top Businesses

I also see wants to Influence to Prank and teen-adult dancing.  Can teens and adults dance together in Uni?

I've been having the same problems. I even made a thread in insim.net to discuss it. I have base + NL + OFB + Pets.

Are you sure the 20 simultaneous best friend/lovers/woohoo is UNI-only? ): That's a little disappointing.

Looks like you need Uni to ensure you get those missing wants then.  At least I know I'm not delusional now!  Thanks to FrickinIdjit for that list - mine is the same and I just realised I am missing "have 6 grandchildren" from the family sim wants.  That would be a nice one for elders.  I guess we all have 'hoods full of career dedicated sims with family sims providing the only light relief ::) + pleasure if you have NL.

Do we think Maxis intended us to have a cut down set or was it accidental? 
Given 2 people say base game + NL is OK, one person says it's not if you add OFB and Pets on top and one person says uninstalling Uni to leave base+NL is not, I'd bet on accidental myself.  4's not a very big sample of course. 

We have these as wants.  Isn't the same icon used for the want and the LTW?
Is it likely to be fixable if it was OK in Nightlife, but not OFB?


I have wants to slow dance, but no slow dance.  got an error message on dancing the other day.. not sure why.

reason for edit - improved logic!

Yeah, Maxis should really rethink their testing process before releasing the game.  :-\

Anyhow, looks like those wants are UNI-only. If that's the case, then there should be a simple solution to the problem: Request a god-modder to implant those Wants using Simpe! They did it with the UNI careers, so it should be possible with 20 woohoo/lovers/bfs too.

The problem is that it requires hacking core game files... and you can only have one such hack at a time.

I guess that it is possible that you may be able to talk squinge into doing it, but it's this type of game mod that Pescado will stay well clear of.

But two people say they had these wants with base game and NL......  The poster on my other board and Ellatrue.

If it's deliberate on Maxis part, then yes you'd have to modify the game files which I don't like either.
But if it's an accident and something like a few icons are missing causing the LTWs not to roll, then it might be fixable by adding or replacing a look up file of some sort either in downloads or the program folders.   That I could live with.


EDIT - I read on the sims2 board that Uni careers were LTWs in Uni, but not LTWs once you added NL.  Snooty confirms it and I realise I have seen people complaining about it before, but not understood the post.  If I remember Maxis claimed to leave them out because not all sims could achieve them.  This sounds like part of the same mess to me!

The prima guide said that the uni careers were legit LTW's, and many people seem to have gotten the idea from that, but even back in Uni they never showed up.  Removing them as wants in NL would be doubly silly, as NL introduced  the object that would actually make uni-based LTW's viable.  But in a surprising moment of good design at the time those LTW's were left out of the game, and it's unlikely that EA will go back and clean up any of their little oversights from past EP's.

So Snooty is wrong as well.  That's not usual - sorry.

OK - Today I changed an LTW in simPE to one of the ones that never shows up normally.  A family sim now has 6 grandchildren as her LTW.  It's there in game, no error messages - haven't achieved it yet - her oldest kid is still a teen, but that says at least that icon is there and works as an LTW.  So why doesn't it roll normally as an LTW or show on the lotdebugger as an option when you cycle wants?????

I can't change the LTWs on my elders with no wants because SimPE doesn't seem to let you replace nothing with something.

Are you using Pescado's 'ltwvariety' hack?  That may be preventing it from showing up.  Come to think of it, I haven't see the '6 grandchildren' LTW in a while, and I have it in my game.  My family sims usually get the 'Graduate 3 Children...' or 'Reach Golden Anniversary' wants.

LTW variety kills the 6 grandchildren LTW for all but very new hoods.  Does the same thing to the marry off 6 children LTW.

If your hood's population is past the old "danger line", "6 children" will disappear first, followed by 6 grandchildren somewhat later, because those LTWs have become impossible due to neighborhood hazards.

I don't have Uni or NL, so I didn't think even my main hood was up to the danger line - 400ish sims last time I looked.  Is that enough for LTW variety to kill that one in my game? 

Looks like I'll have to try setting the others in SimPE. I should probably take out LTW variety as well and then cycle through the wants on the debugger to see what shows and what doesn't.  If these wants showed in base+NL, it's bizarre that they are not there in base+OFB.

This was just plain wrong.  SimPE lets me change the LTWs to all the missing ones, but they don't show up in game.  I must have confused the 6 grandkid icon with the marry 6 kids icon in game - saw what I wanted to see instead of what was there.  :-[ These wants are definitely NOT there in my game.  If it's as intended, I don't understand why some people have them with base game + NL, and someone with base +NL+OFB+Pets doesn't.  Whether it is "as intended" or buggy, my sims are stuck with career wants and all my elders apart from family sims are stuck with an unachievable career want or own 5 top businesses.  It sucks! >:( 

I've just added Seasons on top of OFB and I found a romance sim with the 20 woohoo LTW.  Rerolling it gave 20 loves, so it seems The Seasons has all the LTWs from Uni that were not included in OFB!  I'm more convinced than ever that the missing wants in OFB were just accidental.  Does anyone care but me?  probably not, but I wanted to add this footnote on the subject.

I'm still getting wants to slow dance even though I don't have slow dance.  That takes up 1 of the 4 wants most of the time on a community lot and it's annoying. 

there needs to be a hack to stomp slow dance wants. the worst part of actually slow dancing is i've never seen them stop on their own, and then you can't queue another action after slow dance. you actually have to cancel the action. not to mention the low aspiration points. and of course it takes up the want slot that could be used for something more useful.

I agree, slow dance takes way too long to shuffle through compared to the payoff.
You can queue up actions behind it, but only if you hurry and add them to the queue before they start dancing.

I also wish there was something to stop sims from rolling "dine out with sim" wants when they are on lots with no restaurant.  If they leave the lot and go to a restaurant the want will re-roll anyway, unless you lock it.
Now this is turning into a hi-jack.  I'll go away.

That's what happened for me.  For awhile I had the base game, NL and OFB--no Uni-- and I never saw Max 7 Skills, or the woohoo or so-many-loves LTWs.  Since I installed Seasons --still no Uni-- they roll up all the time, so it seems Seasons enables them. Which is way cool. For once.

Slow dance wants is a trigger to another level tree wants(on date based) and to stomp this wants seems not very good idea. :)

It's still an annoying, time-consuming want that appears in all expansions since Nightlife, but it cannot be fulfilled without Nightlife.  I play a OFB-only game on my other computer and I get that want every time my sims go to a community lot.   >:(

If the want is difficult to stomp, perhaps something could be coded to satisfy the want for non-NL folks? I've no idea if that would be easier (and I have NL).

Noted for wfsanity. Will be looked into.

If Slow dance is the trigger for a want tree, I can see you don't want to stomp it if you have Nightlife. 
However I don't have Nightlife, so I definitely do want it stomped!  It means I have only 2 changing want slots when my sim visits a community lot - 3 is slowdance and 4 is have 10 babies or whatever I have locked.

That's my major annoyance. Often I don't know what I want them to do next until that want is fulfilled and a reroll occurs. Then I'm stuck waiting for near a sim hour for them to separate, sigh, and be able to select each other again. Gah!

Accepted.Without NL slow dance wants is really an annoyance and obviously must be fixed.

Most people have Nightlife and don't have a problem so I'd say the chances of a fix are low. 

Try the file I've attached.  You may have to force a re-roll of wants, and then check overtime whether it stops the slow dance wants from rolling up for you.  Basically, I just added a line to check the game edition and see if the flag was set for NL.  I'm not positive it will work or not, but you can try it out.  I've thrown it into my teenenabledadultwants hack as well.  So if you have that hack, then you just need to update to the latest version.  I still have to test it out and see that it doesn't completely stomp the want.  Theoretically, it should only stomp it out if you don't have NL.


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Pesc also released a new version of wfsanity earlier, so he may have stomped this too.

Thank you syberspunk and jsalemi - I'll check them out.

Yes, this has already been squashed in wfsanity, along with the "Dine Out" thing. It's too small of a want to actually lock, and will almost assuredly roll away the moment you try to actually go somewhere to fulfill it, to be replaced by wants for something on the lot you just left.

Dine Out would be okay if it were worth more or not such a time sink. By the time you fill the want, the date is already over and you've screwed up the mini game by wasting all your time in the restaurant.

So is "Dine Out" squashed completely or just when there is no restaurant on the lot?

Although it doesn't give many points and I hate it showing up on 'home' dates, it does add quite a bit to the date bar when fulfilled at a restaurant. It is usually enough to add more time to the date so that you have enough time to actually turn it into a dream date.

Yes, it will still appear if a restaurant is present. Although I find that pursuing that want can basically torpedo your date, as its yield value is extremely low compared to the amount of time it takes for the entire rigamarole to play out, with your slowmoving 2-mph waiter and all.

If your sim happen to be hungry, it's not too bad.  Flirt, kiss, play and entertain wants can be fulfilled while seated, not to mention get engaged, so you can push the date meter while dining out, so it's not as bad as slow dance, but definitely not worth the 500 aspiration points or whatever it is you get.

The way to get around this is by just ordering water and leaving the table immediately after. As soon as the sims are seated (or maybe it's when they order), the want is fulfilled, so there's no use actually bothering to eat a lengthy meal.

Now that's good news. Though my poor simmies only get to slow dance and dine out on dates, it's the only time I see the animations, so I don't mind the wants too much. Also, as Gwill says, you can do other things at the table.

The thing that irritates me most is the normal wants that start coming through once a couple of the date ones have been fulfilled. Mind you I haven't had a sim on a date for months so later versions of JM's mod may have dealt to some of that.

No, it's the same. Some Sims will roll nothing but date wants the entire time, others will roll a few date wants then start wanting to gain skills, interact with relatives (the generic wants, not play with specific Sim unless they are on the lot), go to work, stay home from work, get promoted, buy a pet, qualify for scholarships, etc. until their entire wants panel is filled up with wants that are impossible to fill on the lot they are on or in the time allowed. Sometimes you can get around it by fulfilling the wants of the date, but sometimes the date starts rolling these stupid wants too. At that point you are guaranteed that the date cannot possibly be a dream date.

I could understand if they were dating a one bolt Sim. Perhaps they just aren't that interested. But this happens even with 3 bolt couples with high str/ltr as well as couples just getting to know each other.

I haven't found anything in common for this behavior either. I can take one Sim on a date and get all the crappy wants, then take the same Sim on another date with the same partner and get all date wants that time. The only thing I have noticed is that it appears that Knowledge Sims are slightly more guilty about filling their slots with skill gain wants, but it doesn't always hold true.

If you flirt - check sim out then you can usually force the wants to reroll and get back to some date-related wants.  If it's a non-controllable date who has got clogged with useless wants, asking them if they like what they see will usually force a reroll.  This works best with better matches, a 0 or 1 bolt match may not get a reroll, but it works in most cases.

Going to a different lot will also re-roll the wants, but there's not always time for that.

changing lots doesn't guarantee you won't roll another slow dance want.  Flirting works most times though sometimes you really didn't want to start up a romance..

Scope room also causes rerolls...  but means you're likely to get wants related to people who you aren't actually on a date with at that point in time.  :-\

Ah, EAxian logic at its finest. ::)

Well I may have max 7 skills as an LTW in my game, but the sim I'm playing today can't satisfy it.  She has the memory of maxing all skills, but the LTW is unsatisfied.  I deleted a skill point and maxed it again.  Same problem. I took all the downloads out and I still can't satisfy the want by deleting a skill and regaining it.  And no, I didn't cheat it. 

Any suggestions anyone?  I'm out of ideas apart from writing a bug report to EA.  I can't seem to turn her permaplat with the lotdebugger either and I don't know what's going on there.

The earn 100k isn't satisfiable either.  It rolls as an LTW, but when the sim earns 100k and gets the memory, the LTW is not satisfied.   The work around is to toggle the sim into platinum mode with the lot debugger which is working though I had trouble with it yesterday.  They don't get the memory of satisfying the LTW though.

I haven't tried the other Uni wants that were missing in OFB, but I suspect they aren't going to work either.  I'll do a maxis bug report, but an awesome fix would be better.  ;D

It sounds like a couple of your LTWs aren't working right. What do you have installed for LTW mods? Did you install any of the mods that change the want trees?

I don't understand why the lot debugger won't work as far as making them perma-plat. I've never had it fail before. But then I think I've only had about a half dozen situations that ever required me to have to use it.

Have you tried any of the other items that enable perma-plat? I know several items in my game do, although I've never used any of them except InSim and lot debugger to achieve it.

I did get the lotdebugger to work yesterday and made sims permaplat, but the sim doesn't have a memory of acheiving an LTW.

I have no LTW mods installed.   Maxis didn't include a full set of LTWs in OFB (or NL for that matter). DK if that was deliberate to penalise those of us who didn't buy Uni or accidental, but they've now borked it completely in Seasons by giving a full set of LTWs without sorting the code out that allows them to be satisfied.  I'm submitting a bug report, but if anyone can tell me more about what is wrong technically, I 'd like to include that.