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So far, I've just been doing a lot of testing and messing around, but it seems that pet genetics are buggered (gee, imagine that!). Every time Sarah Crittur has puppies, they have floppy ears (as adults) rather than upright ones like Sarah and Danny. I've heard on other boards that the same thing is happening to CAP-created pets (someone bred 2 Akitas and got floppy eared dogs) though I haven't check that myself. Any thoughts from those more awesome?

I bred an Eskie and a Husky (both upright ears) and got floppy earred offspring.

Have you waited to see what happens when they grow up?  I seem to recall all dogs are born with floppy ears and the ones that have pointy ears are actually clipped?

I thought even floppy-eared puppies tended to have pointy ears because their ears hadn't grown large enough to flop over from the weight yet. And no, some dogs are just naturally pointy-eared. I never clipped the ears on mine, and he still has pointy ears.

It really depends on the breed, whereas if they are cross bred, there is no guarantee that they will be either.  One of the puppies in my dogs litter had one pointy and one floppy ear yet their parents were both pedigree Australian Silky Terriers...     

Most more modern breeds of dog are too new to really be set in their ways. That sounds very cute and adorable, though.

They were cute.   It was actually very difficult to give them away, but owning 8 dogs was just not an option... :(

@ Pescado: Okay hearing you say "cute" and "adorable" disturbs me.

I was just thinking that!  ;D

Why? I think Pes is cute and adorable!  :D

..How can anyone refer to puppies and not get all gooey about them


Aww rohina, me too :)

Even Hitler loved dogs.

Who are you and what have you done with the real Pescado?

He's been sent to Tongo as a cash mule.

Yes, but the only good Flowerchile is a dead Flowerchile.

*nods approvingly* That's better... now all's right with the world.  :P

There is no such thing as a good flowerchile...  ;)

I nearly forgot...  :-*     MWAH

No wonder he didn't want the pets expansion, for so long. Look what talking about pets brings out in him ....  LOL

Just goes to show..Pes is human after all.. :D

nah, that was just a sock puppet talking.

C

Okeedokee, that was a fun (disturbing) little side trip. Kinder, gentler Pes? Eek. But, back to the original problem: yes, I believe in game, all puppies have floppy ears and that's expected (young puppies of many breeds have floppy ears that either become upright with age (German Shepherds) or are sometimes surgically cropped to be upright (Boxers, Danes, etc)) but the problem in this case is that purebred, CAP-created pointy eared dogs (thus no recessive floppy ears to get passed) are creating puppies (and subsuquently adult dogs) with floppy ears. Has anyone gotten offspring with pointy ears from any breeding? As I said, my personal experience was with Danny and Sarah Crittur who both have upright ears (and I've been told that their first litter is a clone of Sarah anyway)... I've had them have 3 litters that I let grow up and they all ended up with floppy ears. I'm wondering if it's working right for anyone and if not, if a fix can be created so ears pass correctly to offspring because, well, frankly, this sucks. Takes all the joy out of breeding for "purebred" looks when the offspring have the wrong ears. Or I could be taking this way too seriously...  ::)

Cat ears are just fine. Clearly your problem is that you are a dog person.

Dog people are the best  ;D

I'm a cat AND dog person! :O

Man, oh man, this was a problem for me.  I have had both things happen----I created a dog in CAS that looked like my real dog (with pointy ears) and used the base "breed" of the Border Collie, because my dog is B.Collie/Samoyed/Aussie Shep.  I saved the breed, created one male and one female with no changes at all, and their litter was 3 puppies, all floppy-eared (I need a pointy one to be my puppy in-game).  Tried this again, with a new family and two new identical dogs, same thing, all pointy.  Then I had a suspicion maybe the Border Collie "breed" they put in the game has the floppy-gene in there, regardless of whether you make their ears pointy or not, so I re-did the breed, starting with a Samoyed as the base (which has pointy ears already), and when creating the male and female from this I changed just a few things on each dog ever so slightly, just enough that the game would register a difference between their genes.  This time, with two litters, I got one pointy-eared and one floppy-eared, which you CAN tell the difference between as puppies (see my thread on TSR for pictures of the difference: http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=322649 (http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=322649)).  Bottom line, I'm not sure whether they programmed some recessive-floppy genes in the base breeds of some dogs, etc, but it's stupid, it's broken and it sucks.

The guide has a full chapter titled Pet Birth and Genetics which includes a discussion on eggs and genomes [which the sheep will probably think is a new breakfast dish].

The pet genome contains six inheritable traits: coat, eye color, body size (dogs only), tails and ears, body and face shape, and personality. 

Per the guide, tails and ears are drawn from either parent's expressed or recessive tail/ear traits, "but expressed traits are more likely than recessive traits to be chosen. The odds of getting one parent's tail or ears over the other is an even split."

well,  I was very disappointed because I thought they inherited the parents coats.  But my Red mother dog and my blue father dog had pups and they both turned out black.   What's up with that???

so, I adopted them out, I would have killed them but I havn't figured out how to do that yet.  I am a meanie.   lol

That's cruel. Murdering puppies just for being the wrong color? I suspect that, like sim-babies, they don't take on full coloration until adulthood.

No, they don't show their true colors until they're adults...

I adopted a black puppy that grew up to be a very pretty gray.  Tara Kat's kitten changes colors when it grows up, too.

If I may go back to talking about puppies ears...

I created two completely identical (everything the same, apart from the gender) Golden Retrievers. They had four little Golden Retriever puppies. When the puppies grew up they had the biggest and pointiest ears I have ever seen. The parents both had Floppy ears.

Pet genes are definitely busted.


Jack

The genetics of CAS Sims have always been flaky and unpredictable.  I don't see why CAP pets should be any different.  You have no way to know what the recessive genes are, and without knowing that, you can't really predict how the offspring will turn out. 

Having said that:  I hope there will be a way in SimPE to change the DNA of pets the way you can with Sims, so that we can at least prevent the wrong ear type from being passed down to future generations (and correct the problem in individual dogs' character files if necessary).

Karen

This will add nothing to the conversation, just a little rant for the morning...  what's with the sudden rash of people not being able to tell the difference between definitely and defiantly?  I'm seeing it everywhere all of a sudden.

/me is wearing her cranky pants this morning...

My personal pet peeve is "rediculous" (and woe to anyone here who says not in jest but totally serious by the way  >:()

I've seen that for years and it still drives me up the wall!

Hey Motoki - gotta love that were-nanny!   ;D  I should have known you'd come up with that sooner or later.  But wouldn't you think it would be sort of a career-limiting move for her?  I mean, come on, what kind of parents are going to put their defenseless little babies in the hands of a were-nanny? 

Ah yes, but she only changes at night, so the ones with the day jobs don't know. ;)

And she works out a heck of a lot better than the vampire nanny I tried who ran away as soon as she stepped out of the van.  :D

My personal pet peeve is seperate instead of separate!!

Geez didn't your teacher ever tell you the word has 'a rat' in it?  :D

Although it kills the organized and rational part of my brain to add to the off-thread-topic chat, I have to add this: since moving to SC from OH 10 years ago, I've noticed that people down here, instead of saying "I have been poor since I was 5 years old" they say "I have been poor since I'm 5 years old."  The grammar down here, man.....nonexistant.  Ohio's public school system puts SC's to shame.  It makes SC look like Namibia, with no cute babies for Brangelina to adopt, just ugly inbred ones.  I have more teeth in my head than some entire towns in this state.

Heh heh heh.

the problem with separate is that it is pronounced seperate or.. sepurate, but much closer to seperate  then separate.   i didnt realize how screwed up english was until i learned some spanish, where every word is pronounced EXACTLY how it is spelled.  i've read letters from mexico for coworkers who know home-spanish, but never learned to read or write in it.  i can sit there and read for pages with no real idea what im reading, but it comes out perfect to the ear.  now that is the way a language is supposed to work.  egyptian hieroglyphics are easier then english....

I usedtacould use good grammar.  But then I moved to the south.  I might could regain it again if I had to though.   ;)

C

I totally know where you are coming from.  I lived in Spartanburg, SC for a year and was simply dumbfounded by the idiots there.  It wasn't just some of the folks, it was all of them.  Of course there were a lot of folks, "keeping it in the family" there too.  ???

I also lived next door to a red robed member of the KKK.  I was very excited to leave SC.  You could not pay me to ever live there again. I'll stick with redneck Virginia.

I knew my sister had lived in the South for too long when she wrote "y'all" in a letter.

I am sorry to say I have nothing to add to the original discussion.  I've been concentrating on getting a sim financially ready to devote all of her attention to fully training dogs (maybe cats later) and just had her adopt her first puppy.  Once I have had a chance to breed, I may have more of relevance to add. (But probably not)