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Title: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Diala on 2005 September 14, 03:19:00
I am beginning to seriously consider upgrading my computer so that Sims 2 would run better. With the current hardware I have now, the game is a bit slow, takes a while to load, and I don't have those special cutscenes everyone talks about. I am honestly feeling like I am missing out on something. I also heard that Nightlife has raised the requirements. I am already at the bare minimum at this point. I don't want to spend about $30-40 on the EP, and then find out that I can't use it with the computer I have!

For starters, here are my computer stats, at least as far as being important to running Sims 2 is concerned:

Processor: 2.59 GHz Intel Pentium 4 CPU
RAM: 256 MB (I know I need to update this)
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce4 MMX 440 (Gateway) (I know I need to update this too)

What is the best way to upgrade my computer? I don't have a lot of money, so cheap yet effective hardware would be wonderful. I don't play any other computer games (at least, none as extensive as Sims 2 anyway).


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 14, 03:34:18
Your CPU is fine but that RAM is really low and your video card is also pretty moldy oldy. If you can afford it, I'd say upgrade them both. Another 256 stick of RAM will bring you to 512 which is at least passable. Also, pretty much any video card released in the last year or so should be better than that one. There are some that are not quite top of the line, but decent, that can be had for under $100.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Ancient Sim on 2005 September 14, 03:35:16
Well, your RAM certainly needs updating (I have 512), but your processor is much better than mine.  I have an Athlon 2000+, which is about 1800 mhz, and I have no problems really.  I can have 30+ Sims on a lot (I usually invite around 15-25 to grad parties, depending on how many friends the Sim has, plus all the dormies and other visitors) and not experience any significant slow-down.  More than 25 and the party sometimes develops an error and has to be reset, which means it loses its party status.  Before Uni, I could only play one lot at a time without restarting (and community lots hardly ever loaded) but now I can play for hours & hours and go from lot to lot no probs, even with several parties in-between.  I don't get cinematics though, because my graphics card is unsupported, but I have everything except shadows on high-setting (the game puts it on low by default) and it doesn't slow anything down.  The only reason shadows are on medium and not high is because they're weird-looking on high.

I meant to get a new graphics card for NL but haven't got around to it.  I will see how the game is when it's installed and get one if I need to.  Trouble is, my son has now gone to a real Uni so won't be here to put it in for me.  My eyesight is so bad (because I am in the MIDDLE-AGE lifespan) I doubt I would even see the slot and I don't fancy walking around with a black face, sooty clothes and my hair all stuck-up everywhere.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: aussieone on 2005 September 14, 03:40:27
I am beginning to seriously consider upgrading my computer so that Sims 2 would run better. With the current hardware I have now, the game is a bit slow, takes a while to load, and I don't have those special cutscenes everyone talks about. I am honestly feeling like I am missing out on something. I also heard that Nightlife has raised the requirements. I am already at the bare minimum at this point. I don't want to spend about $30-40 on the EP, and then find out that I can't use it with the computer I have!

For starters, here are my computer stats, at least as far as being important to running Sims 2 is concerned:

Processor: 2.59 GHz Intel Pentium 4 CPU
RAM: 256 MB (I know I need to update this)
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce4 MMX 440 (Gateway) (I know I need to update this too)

What is the best way to upgrade my computer? I don't have a lot of money, so cheap yet effective hardware would be wonderful. I don't play any other computer games (at least, none as extensive as Sims 2 anyway).


Diala,

My computer specs were exactly the same as yours before I upgraded.
Now I have 1 gig RAM
Nvidia GeForce 5800 Graphics card.

To buy the lot cost me $350.00 AU and that was for the PC guy to install them for me as well. (I'm not good with all of that technical Stuff!) I realised that in order to play Nightlife, I needed a reasonable upgrading, so hopefully this'll do it for me!

So I'm thinking if you can do the installation yourself and you live aywhere else in the world (except maybe New Zealand! LOL) then it shouldn't cost you any where near what I paid :)


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: aussieone on 2005 September 14, 03:42:57
 My eyesight is so bad (because I am in the MIDDLE-AGE lifespan) I doubt I would even see the slot and I don't fancy walking around with a black face, sooty clothes and my hair all stuck-up everywhere.




 :) lol
Amen to that Ancient Sim



Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 14, 04:01:22
A good place to look for info on computer parts is http://www.newegg.com . They're a really good online retailer for computer parts (if you will be installing the upgrades yourself or have someone to do it for you). They ship fast and have never given me a hassle for a return and are consistantly rated high on resellerratings.com. Even if you don't intend to buy from them, it's a good place to browse as there are lots of user reviews that you can read.

One thing you might want to do is search all video cards up to a certain max price and then sort by best rating. What I've done here is sort by best rating for all video cards with a max price of $100

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?submit=PROPERTY&SubCategory=48&maxprice=100&bop=and&Order=rating

Of course, you can set whatever price you want.

Another thing to look for is make sure any video card you get supports DirectX 9. Anything that supports Directx 8 or below is likely old or a stripped down 'value' card and best avoided.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Diala on 2005 September 14, 04:23:09
Thank you, all of you. At least I have an idea on what I should look for. I am sure I know how to install RAM easily, but what about graphics card? What should I look for, and how do I know that the graphics card I want is compatible with my computer?


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: witch on 2005 September 14, 05:20:09
I have an Athlon 2000+, which is about 1800 mhz, and I have no problems really.
This is the chip I have also, the Athlon 2000 series actually benchmarks performance-wise at around 3 Gigahertz - or 3000 Mhtz.
AMD ROCKS!!!
Your PC chip is most probably a better performer than Diala's.

Diala, there's another thread about video cards here, Gali listed the minimum requirements for the sims2, she included all the supported video cards, you might want to hunt for that list.

I have a GeForce 5700 with 256Mb RAM, I still can't run sims2 with full anti-aliasing turned on. I've also had problems with recent nVidia drivers and the sims game. My driver is about 3 versions old as the most recent driver trashes the sims and the 2nd to recent trashes my system. It would pay to read around as Motoki suggests.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: gali on 2005 September 14, 06:05:01
I have an Athlon 2000+, which is about 1800 mhz, and I have no problems really.
This is the chip I have also, the Athlon 2000 series actually benchmarks performance-wise at around 3 Gigahertz - or 3000 Mhtz.
AMD ROCKS!!!
Your PC chip is most probably a better performer than Diala's.

Diala, there's another thread about video cards here, Gali listed the minimum requirements for the sims2, she included all the supported video cards, you might want to hunt for that list.

I have a GeForce 5700 with 256Mb RAM, I still can't run sims2 with full anti-aliasing turned on. I've also had problems with recent nVidia drivers and the sims game. My driver is about 3 versions old as the most recent driver trashes the sims and the 2nd to recent trashes my system. It would pay to read around as Motoki suggests.

The minimum requirements, as given  at the Exchange, are written in Vergali thread, "which is the best system to play".

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=556.0


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Zeljka on 2005 September 14, 06:07:34
Can I jump in for help too? Please-please?

CPU and Ram are ok for now (2.8AMD, 1G Ram) but I have a Radeon 9200 with latest drivers. It's ok on medium settings, but resets and crashes on Aspiration objects at night (even with no lights on)
It may sound peculiar, but I don't know anything about videocards except how to install them. Which is better for the game? Radeon? GeForce? I don't mind paying a bit for something that will last me a while, but I will be leaving myself open to a scamming if I walk into a store and tell them I have a couple hundred bucks to spend on a videocard that will make my Sims2 game look awesome.(I've looked at EA's requirements, but as they change, I'd prefer to be proactive)

Diala, sorry for jumping in your thread, but it seems it would have been worse to post my own thread asking the same thing.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: gali on 2005 September 14, 06:17:44
Zel, I think the Radeon card is the best.

As I don't have the knowledge to change video cards (or anything else), I always call a technician.

When he brought the Radeon X800, he said that his hands are "trembling", because it's the latest and the best card he puts in a computer...:). I asked about the Nvidia, and he said that the Radeon is far more better.

I only bring his opinion - I haven't the slightest idea if he is right. But he is my technician quite a long time, and very honest fellow - strives to get the best results from the computer, and charges very small profit. He is addicted to the profession...:).


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Diala on 2005 September 14, 06:43:51
Zeljka, don't worry about it. ^^ This thread is about hardware upgrades in general, not about my outdated computer.

Here's another dumb question: If I were to, say, get a Radeon card instead of a Nvidia, can it still be installed into the computer? The reason why I ask is because I heard somewhere that it is easier to install in Nvidia if your computer already has one than it is to install a Radeon. I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: gali on 2005 September 14, 06:47:27
No, you have to choose between Nvidia and Radeon. I gave my technician the Nvidia I had, to throw it to the trash...:).


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Diala on 2005 September 14, 07:08:58
Yeah, I know that only one type of Graphics Card can be used, and if I were to get a Radeon, I would most definately get rid of the Nvidia that I have. Hell, if I get a new Nvidia, I'd get rid of the one I currently have. I am just saying that would there be any sort of problems, just pulling out the current card and putting the Radeon in. Looking at the pictures of graphic cards, it seems that you just slide them into the back of the tower. Is it as simple as that, or is there some sort of huge complicated system that I have to overcome?


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Zeljka on 2005 September 14, 07:20:15
Diala - Cool.
As far as Radeon vs. Nvidia, they're just brand names (ATI -Radeon, NVidia-Geforce) of the same sort of hardware, you can replace one with the other.
Changing them didn't seem like a big deal, I just followed the cord from the monitor and replaced that piece of hardware. May sound horrifyingly dumb to people who know what they're doing, but it worked when I did it for my last computer. (of course there are the drivers etc.. but it's as you say-easy enough)

Thanks Gali, that was exactly the sort of thing I was hoping to hear! And anything that makes a passionate computer tech tremble is definately something I'm interested in :) My first videocard was ATI (recommended by my Autocad teacher) and the only Nvidia card I had self destructed soon after it's first month. Though I realize flaws are random, I've stuck with ATI since.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: witch on 2005 September 14, 08:32:12
OK, I'd have to say I'm an nvidia fan because as far as I understand, it is supported by more games. Also my motherboard is an nvidia chipset which for me gave greater compatibility. I've had no problems with the card itself, good performance, but a couple of problems with drivers - don't know if that's anything to do with a 64 bit chip mind you.

You will have to look and see what your type of slot is, there's a link I made in an earlier thread here about a similar problem. Bissela on MikeInside forums showed pictures and had explanations of all the different types of slots. There are heaps of pictorial tutorials on the net about installing cards.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Renatus on 2005 September 14, 08:49:29
Diala, whoever told you that you that if you had a Radeon you couldn't have an Nvidia card or vice versa was talking out of their bum, or got the brand names confused with AGP and PCI, the types of slots video cards and suchlike can go into. In addition to  looking, if your computer was prebuilt when you bought it (Dell, HP, and the like, something you buy that has been made in a factory rather than assembled individually by a technician), you can look up the model number on the manufacturer's website and it will probably give you the stats for it.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: witch on 2005 September 14, 09:30:22
Bissela's pics for video card slots (http://mikeinside.modthesims2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=193609&highlight=#193609) Try the 10th post down, don't know how to link exactly.

Bissela is at Uni learning to be a computer assembler amongst other things & is very knowledgeable.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: aussieone on 2005 September 14, 10:27:55
Welcome Deedee.....
nice to see you here and thanks for the info  :)


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 14, 11:39:47
Well first off, no video card brand is more compatible than the other. Thanks to Microsoft ;) they've standardized 3D on PCs in the form of DirectX so as long as you get a card that supports the latest version of DirectX (that currently being version 9), you'll have no problems with a game not being supported by the card. There's another 3D standard called OpenGL, but all ATI and Nvidia cards as well as pretty much every 3D card I've ever come across support this.

The only real thing you want to look out for is what type of slot the card uses and if it's the same type as your motherboard's video card slot. There's only 3 types really, PCI, AGP and PCI-Express aka PCI-E. In most cases you'll want AGP as this is the most common expansion slot currently used for video cards. Some really new motherboards support PCI-E, but if you haven't bought your computer in the last 6 months or so then yours most likely does not. Almost all motheroard support the regular PCI slot and have several of them (these are generic slots used not just for video cards but any type of expansion card), but the AGP slot is faster and most video cards from the last few years do not support PCI.

I'm 99% sure your computer uses the AGP slot but check your motherboard manual if you have it to be sure.

As for how easy or hard it is to install, if you are comfortable installing a stick of RAM yourself then installing the video card should be no problem for you because it's about easy. Neither is difficult, but I know a lot of people freak out about opening a computer, sounds like that doesn't worry you though so that's good. :) Make sure you check the return policy of the store you buy from if you are installing yourself. Most times if the card or RAM stick is a lemon you will know right away. It does happen sometimes and also with so many different pieces of hardware interacting there can sometimes be incompatibilities as Deedee noted.

Installing an ATI after Nvidia or vice versa should be no problem, in fact, I used to run an ATI video card on an Nvidia motherboard for several years and it ran fine. ;)

Another word of advice on ATI and Nividia is that it's rather like PCs and Macs in that there are rabid fans on both sides of the fence that love one company and hate the other. In reality, ATI and Nvidia cards are fairly comparable. It's more important that you have a recent video card that supports recent innovations in 3D and has a decent amount of video memory (I wouldn't go for less than 128MB of video RAM if you can help it) than which company you go with. Speaking purely from personal experience, the last few cards I have had were from the ATI Radeon series and they've worked great for me including TS2, but I know people that have had great experience with Nvidia cards as well.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Lerf on 2005 September 14, 12:38:15
My question.   

According to "My Computer"  I have a NVIDIA GEForce4 MX4000 .  I have just updated to 1 Gig of RAM, and I've got an AMD Athelon 2500+ 1.84 GHZ.   

So, why can't I get the special events camera?   Is it my video card?   I don't see it listed as supported, but there are number of other GEForce MX4###'s listed, just not the 4000.

Thanks


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 14, 12:45:00
Yes that would be the video card, it's rather old in terms of video cards (with old being a few years for video cards ;) ).


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: DrBeast on 2005 September 14, 12:52:08
Well, you need RAM. Yesterday! Yes, THAT urgent! From what you've said you're not very comfortable with computers, right? In that case, I'd recommend getting a technician to do the dirty work. There's no rocket science involved in getting and installing new hardware, but there are a few pitfalls: first of all, you'd better get the same RAM as the one you are using with regards to frequency and latency times (if it's the same brand, even better), and finding out these two values on the RAM you have requires some assistance which I can't give right now, sorry. Then, the graphics card. I've been using both ATIs and nVIDIA cards, and I must admit I was a hardcore nVIDIA fan until they released the 5x00 series and ATI their 9x00 series. I chose a GeForce FX5200 to replace my aging GeForce 2. At the same time, my girlfriend got a new computer with slightly better specs than my computer but the RADEON 9200. The difference between her machine and mine were staggering! I wanted to throw mine out the window and hijack hers (well, some time later I moved to her place so I hijacked hers, hehe!). Anyway, as things are right now (as opposed to 2 years ago), I'd go with the GeForce 6800GT. It's in the mid-ranges, both price-wise and regarding performance. Dunno where you're from, but here in Greece this card costs about 180 Euros. Why this and not a cheaper one? Because it will last longer! If you buy a cheaper one you'll HAVE to replace it with a better one within a year or so. This will take you further down the road. As for the graphics card-motherboard incompatibility issue, sometimes upgrading the motherboard BIOS settles the problem. Again, nothing dramatically difficult to do, but better left to a technician if you're inexperienced. Oh, and something I learned the hard way: BEFORE installing the new graphics card, GET RID OF THE OLD ONE'S DRIVERS! When I replaced mine I didn't do it and the computer went nuts! Your processor is fine btw, I've pumped up my g/f's P4 from 2.4 to 2.7GHz and it's great (ah, the Northwood chipsets...).


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Renatus on 2005 September 14, 15:37:22
To add to what Dr.Beast said - if you do choose to let a technician do the work, you may not want to remove the drivers beforehand, but let the tech know that you haven't. Any tech worth his or her paycheck will know how to handle it.

Also make sure to use a tech that is reputable and works for a place  that gives a warranty for work done, if at all possible; when I was a tech I had a few too many "Well, I took the computer to this guy a friend of mine said is really good with computers, but now it doesn't work at all" folks, who ended up having to pay out the ass for me to repair the damage this 'really good with computers' person did.  :-[


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: gali on 2005 September 14, 15:51:25
I always insist that the work will be done at my house. If the technician refuses - I don't hire him.

I have to see what he does and which products he brings with him to my computer: are they in an original box, brand new, etc.

Never send your computer to a lab - insist work at home.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 14, 16:01:21
You know, I also used to think you had to buy the absolute best card out there to keep it from being obsolete as soon as possible but now I think it's better to get the best value for the money and the best card you can afford. Getting the best card out there probably means spend $300+ US and if you consider the whole SLI/Crossfire thing (getting two video cards and having them work together in tadem to run even faster) it's twice that. A lot of times there $50-$100 difference between the highest performance card and the next one down when the actual difference in performance is around 5%. CPUs are like this too. I don't think a 5-10% performance increase is worth $100.

The video card advances have thankfully leveled off to some degree from what they've been in the past where a new generation card would come out quite literally every 3 months. I think even a $70-$100 card can last at least a couple of years if you're fine with not having to have the absolute best video card on the market. And a lot depends on what you do with the card. For playing TS2 I don't think you need as good of a card as say some of the more recent FPS (First Person Shooter) games. For someone going from an old Geforce 4000 series card, for the purpose of playing TS2 almost any video card from the last year or so, even the lower end ones, are going to offer some improvement, enough that I think it's worth justifying getting an upgrade and certainly better than not having one.

Now if someone has the money and wants a high end top of the line card by all means don't let me stop you, I used to be one of those people. ;) But now I prefer to try and research find what I can determine to be the best performance to price ratio, and I also have to take budget considerations into account since I'm no longer living at home with my parents rent-free. ;)


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Brynne on 2005 September 14, 16:45:11
Can I jump in, too? Can someone tell me how much or if the harddrive speed affects performance? I bought my laptop about 6 weeks ago specifically for the Sims 2 and it plays the game beautifully and smoothly at medium settings, and decently at high settings. Cinematics work great. But the load times are terrible! Is that due to the hard drive? I know it's also my overstuffed downloads folder, but on other applications I've noticed load times are slow. It's not spyware or anything. Spyware removal is my other hobby. I'm anal about it. Anyway, my harddrive is an 80 GB 4,200RPM, and it is upgradeable. How would upgradeing my hard drive affect game play? And what should I upgrade to? Would a 5400RPM be enough, or should I go higher? I also need more RAM, as  I only have 512MB. Which does RAM have a bigger impact on: load-times or performance? Would it be better to spend my money on a new hard drive or RAM, if I had to choose between the two? I can't do both right now. Like I said, performance is pretty decent. Loading is horrible.

For all you computer tekkies, don't laugh at me if I'm speaking gibberish. I'm clueless about computer hardware!

I guess I should probably give my specs? It's a WinBook W364.
Intel Pentium M 2GHz
512MB RAM
Ati Mobility Radeon 9700 with 128MB dedicated


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: dizzy on 2005 September 14, 16:52:11
There's the issue of hard drive speed and the amount of RAM, and there's also the issue of your "swap" file (how big it is and where it's located).

You can speed things up quite a bit if you put the program and its files on one hard drive and the "swap" file (the virtual memory paging file) on another drive.

Here's a good link for that: http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 14, 16:54:02
Getting a faster HD will help somewhat, 4200 RPMs is pretty slow these days, but only for the load times really and it will only help so much. If you're a total download whore (like me! ;) ) then I'm sorry to say that you're pretty much stuck with slow load times. Start the game up and go grab a cup of coffee or something. ;)


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Brynne on 2005 September 14, 17:12:49
Yes, I'm a download whore :D My downloads folder is just over 3 GB! I just checked and I shocked myself. I *think* I need to do some housecleaning. Thing is, I just did. When I got this laptop I had only backed up about half of my downloads from my previous laptop. I had all intentions of keeping a much smaller download folder on the new lappy. Then I went to Sims Showcase, dammit. I need to remove that from my bookmarks.

So more RAM would be the way to go, then? And about the second drive: would that require reformatting my computer? And how would I go about setting that up? Virtual memory is another thing I'm clueless about. I've gotten the "Your system is low on virtual memory..." pop-up a few times. Virtual memory is a complete mystery to me. My husband has patiently explained it to me a billion times and I still don't get it. I have it set (custom) to minimum 1000MB and maximum 1500MB. Recommended is 766. 767 MB is currently allocated. What did I do wrong? Would putting the swap file on another drive improve that?  I have to play the game in windowed mode because the damn virtual memory pop-up would minimize my game, and then getting back into the game would take forever.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: dizzy on 2005 September 14, 17:23:31
So more RAM would be the way to go, then? And about the second drive: would that require reformatting my computer? And how would I go about setting that up? Virtual memory is another thing I'm clueless about. I've gotten the "Your system is low on virtual memory..." pop-up a few times. Virtual memory is a complete mystery to me. My husband has patiently explained it to me a billion times and I still don't get it. I have it set (custom) to minimum 1000MB and maximum 1500MB. Recommended is 766. 767 MB is currently allocated. What did I do wrong? Would putting the swap file on another drive improve that?  I have to play the game in windowed mode because the damn virtual memory pop-up would minimize my game, and then getting back into the game would take forever.

Whatever RAM you can add will help. The only thing you need is to format the drive itself (in Windows, which is pretty easy to do).

Virtual memory is where things go when they don't fit into your computer's physical memory (RAM). Having a second hard drive for virtual memory seems fairly obvious, especailly since (IIRC) Windows doesn't yet support things like SATA drives.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 14, 17:28:13
I have my virtual memory set to 4000 min and max. I used to run without any at all, which you can do if you have a lot of RAM ( I have 1GB) and does speed things up (RAM is faster than the HD and the virtual memory uses HD space at 'virtual RAM') but I found I got crashes when there was too much going on. Of course I probably shouldn't be throwing parties with 30 plus sims.  ;D

The game is a total memory hog though so if you are getting out of memory errors then the best thing to do is to increase your virtual memory size, even if the size you currently use meets general Windows reccomendations.

Installing a second HD wouldn't require reformatting your original HD necessarily, but if you wanted Windows on the newer and faster HD, which might not be a bad idea since if Windows runs faster then in theory everything else running on Windows should, then you'd have to install Windows on the new HD. What you can do is install Windows and TS2 and anything you are concerned about running slow on the newer faster HD and then keep your original as a secondary HD with all your original files and use it to store stuff like text documents, mp3s etc. Things that you archive but aren't concerned about having to load quickly.

But honestly, cleaning house with some of your downloads is probably the best thing you can do to speed up the game and trust me as someone who has spent many an hour on file cleanup and maintanence, I know how much of a pain it is. Start by looking at some of the bigger files. I know that skintones tend to be large because they contain multiple large image files for every age, gender and fitness tone. If you absolutely don't need a skintone and don't have sims that are using it then get rid of it.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 14, 17:34:17
(IIRC) Windows doesn't yet support things like SATA drives.

I have a serial ATA drive running under XP Service Pack 2 without problems. I just installed it a few days ago seems to be going well. I don't know if 95/98/NT/2000 support SATA but XP definitely does, although I'm not sure if you need SP2 or not to get that support.

Serial ATA (SATA) btw for those who many not know is a different method for transporting data between the hard drive and the motherboard. It allows for faster transfer speeds, generally up to 1.5x the fastest old ATA style hard drives, but older motherboards may no support it and you also have to buy a specific SATA Hard Drive and hook it up to a motherboard with SATA slots to support it.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Brynne on 2005 September 14, 18:00:47
Okay, thanks, guys. I am going to take your advice and install windows and reinstall TS2 on a new drive. How do I go about creating a new drive in windows xp pro? I reformatted an old laptop a long time ago, but I forget what I did. :-\ That was when I was still playing the Sims 1 on a 6GB 366Mhz laptop and trying to reshuffle things around to make space for the game. If I remember correctly, I had 2 drives and neither was large enough, so I wanted to combine them. I also had partitions on the main drive, which I had to resize. I found a free program that I put on a floppy, and I followed the directions and successfully did what I wanted to do. But, like cramming for exams the night before, I was an expert about reformatting and repartitioning for about a day, then forgot everything I learned the next day.
 
To create a new drive do I need any other software, or can it be done in windows?


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 14, 18:14:30
What I would do, and what I actually did myself recently is this:

Temporarily unhook your old hard drive.
Hook up the new hard drive
Install Windows from the original CD to the new HD (you may have to go into the BIOS options, usual by hitting delete at startup, and make sure your computer is setup to be able to boot up from a CD)
The Install will probably ask you about formating the new HD, go ahead and do it, if it gives you a choice between formatting for NTFS or FAT I would go with NTFS. If you want to make two or more partitions you can, but XP can handle very large partitions so just having the new HD as one big partition should be fine.
Once all the Windows install is finished then shut down the computer and hook up your old hard drive. Windows should then automatically detect it next time it restarts and will probably label it as drive E: (assuming you only have one CD Drive, the new HD should be C: and the CD D:)

If the computer is booting up from your old hard drive and old install of Windows once you hook the old hard drive back up you may also have to go into the BIOS and change the boot load order to put the new hard drive first.

Once you do this, you technically won't need the Windows directory and its files on your old HD and can delete it if you want, however I prefer to keep it as a backup. That way if your new HD gets hosed and won't boot to Windows, you still have a backup drive with Windows installed that can.

If I'm talking too much in computergeekese let me know and I'll try and explain myself better ;) but it really isn't too bad to do, it just takes some time to set up.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Brynne on 2005 September 14, 18:17:44
Would creating a partition for the game help? Wait, I lost myself. I forget what a partition is. And, I don't have a second hard drive. Add me to the daily idiot...


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 14, 18:27:32
It could, in theory. The partition sets aside a certain piece of the Hard Drive, so you could set one up for Sims 2 and it would help keep those files from being defragmented, however the main part of Sims 2 that loads slow isn't the stuff in Program Files/EA Games/ etc it's the stuff in My Documents/EA Games/... and in particular the downloads folder. Setting aside another parition will require you to name a set size, but your download folder, if it's like mine, will probably keep growing. So if you set the partition for it too small then you might run out of space for downloads and if you make it too big, then it's kind of wasting space you could be using for other stuff. Also, it might be tricky to get My Documents over onto a different partition than Windows is installed on. I don't think you can just up and move it to another drive letter because the game will be looking for it on, say C: and not expect to find it on E: etc.

It's probably doable but IMO will complicate things and not worth the effort but maybe someone else has some different thoughts on this.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: chintznibbles on 2005 September 15, 07:52:48
Edit: Whoops, I just noticed that the computer in question is a laptop.  You can pretty much disregard any notion of upgrading it yourself, then- they're tricky bastards for even extremely experienced amateurs (like me, for instance).  Probably best to have any kind of work done on it done by either the company that made it, if you have a support contract, or a large-scale technician place.  Small-time techs and people's friends who are great with computers probably won't cut it.

If you can afford it, I'd say pop the RAM up to 1gb and get a faster hard drive.  4200 is pretty.. um... not going to say "dinosaur-ish" ;) , but quite slow by today's standards.  It's also because you have a laptop, and faster drives generate a lot of heat.  I once owned a 10,000 RPM drive that could double as a space heater, but thankfully modern drives have the heat issue down a bit.  Try to maximize the RPM and Buffer size with the actual storage space and price, whenever possible.  If it's only a few dollars, always get something faster. ;)

Stuff regarding desktops:
If you're using a modern hard drive with a modern operating system, multiple partitions do very little good and only complicate things.  Don't bother with them, says I.  The only real benefit you get from having multiple partitions is the option to have smaller cluster sizes, which can save you a tiny bit of space on the drive (probably less that ~1GB. If you've got a 100GB+ drive, the like of which is quite affordable these days, that's not a whole lot- especially since you're still losing some to the file table and so forth anyway.)

That said, separate hard drives are a nice way to upgrade, and probably a good plan.  Motoki's plan for Windows installation is a good one; just be sure that, like he mentioned earlier, that you buy a drive that your motherboard supports.  If your computer is two years old (or more) and you haven't specifically replaced the motherboard in that time, odds are you'll need a standard IDE (ATA/PATA) drive.  If you do have a SATA connector, which is small and square (random googled image: http://www.cselex.com/images-large/SATA-Signal-Cable-1.jpg) then you can use a SATA drive.  Be warned that vanilla Windows XP (with no service packs) has issues with SATA drives, since it came out before they did, mostly.  You may not be able to install a no-service-pack version of windows on one.  SP1 is the minimum, I believe.

Also, you can get 1GB of ram for about $100 at electronics stores (near me, at least).  I think my sister just paid $114 for a gig of some brand-name stuff with a fancy heatsink at my local Fry's Electronics.  You might shop around online, too, if that's your bag.  Just be careful of generic ram- some of it's not so great.  RAM is one of the places it normally pays to buy brand-name.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: DrBeast on 2005 September 15, 12:14:55
I don't think anyone's mentioned defragging. If you write and delete stuff all the time (especially large stuff), you'll see performance go up a bit after a defrag. Don't expect WARP speed though. 5400 rpm is slow, no matter what.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Kala on 2005 September 15, 14:11:25
My computer has put me in a postion in which I have to choose between playing with downloads or playing with EPs. If I have more than 200 downloads in my Uni game, it take forever for a house to lode.  When I say forever, I'm not exadurating that much.  I've had to turn off my computer to stop a house from loading several times. When I get families/houses past the loading screen, the family is frozen.  I stile have issues now that I'm only playing TS2.  I spiritedly get ATI error messages when I place lots in a neighborhood. 

I have a Dell Dimension 2,300 with a 1,7 P4 processor.  I have 1,024 of 256 DDR RAM and an ATI Radeon Sapphire 9,000 video card.  I don't know weather I need a better video card or what.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 15, 14:17:10
Kala: That's probably not hardware related. I know there was a bug with custom careers created prior to university where they would cause a lot to stick on the loading screen forever. Newer created or updated careers should fix this, but you may have some lingering older ones. You can also have careers and other custom content you didn't explicitly download because they can sneak in through house downloads.

If you don't already have it, get Sims2pack Clean Installer http://sims2pack.modthesims2.com

Browse your download directory with it, and if you have a lot of stuff it can take a while to load them all. Sort by type and then remove any careers.

Note that due to Sims2pack Clean Installer improperly identifying some files, certain of JM's hacks like Autoyak phone, Skillinator, Macrotastics etc may show up as careers but they are in fact not and do not cause the lot loading problem. I've notified Phervers (the creator of the program) numerous times about this and he still hasn't bothered to fix it so I give up and we'll just have to ignore it.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Kala on 2005 September 15, 14:31:14
When I first got Uni, I used clean installed to get rid all my careers and other hacks that would mess with Uni.  I don't know what JM hacks I have other than the lot box.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 15, 14:38:47
If you've been downloading lots, it's quite possible an old career could have snuck back as a stowaway in the lot's sims2pack file, won't hurt to check with clean installer. The J.M. Hacks that show up as "careers" are pretty obvious by the names, but if you have Nightlife, you may just want to yank out all your hacks too until we figure out what works and what doesn't.  :-\

If you want to rule out anything hardware related like your video card etc, you can drag your downloads folder to the desktop and temporarily move it there, run the game, try loading a lot but don't save, just exit without saving if it loads. If the lot does load that way, then it's not your computer or any hardware but definitely something in the downloads folder.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Kala on 2005 September 15, 14:43:57
I know this may sound crackish, but could empty packages hurt my game?  I just did a scan with clean install and there are many empty packages in my game.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 15, 14:47:05
I've never known them to hurt the game, but they don't seem to really do anything either. I'm not exactly sure what causes them, but if you open them with a text editor there's literally almost nothing in them so they don't seem to contain any content. I always just remove them and have never had any problems in doing so.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Ancient Sim on 2005 September 15, 17:50:43
I have Nightlife now and needless to say, because my video card is unsupported all the neighbourhood stuff was turned-off.  I turned it all on, maximum for all, and it works perfectly.  No slowdown and I can see everything easily and clearly.  It seems to me that my card is perfectly capable of showing the cinematics, it just won't because Maxis don't recognise it.  I know there's a way to trick the game into thinking your card is capable (someone mentioned it somewhere on this site recently), so does anyone know what that trick is?  I've been able to add a cheat code to allow me to enable cinematics, but they still won't work because I know there's more than that I need to do.  I see no point in getting a new card if the one I have is capable of running them.  Certainly in terms of graphic detail and so on, what I see is no different to what people with fully-supported cards see in terms of what I have seen posted on forums. 


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: gali on 2005 September 15, 18:07:24
Ancient, I got today NL, but it has not serial number on the box. Can it be installed without the serial number? Is it something new? - I didn't install the game yet, waiting for JMP's list of fixes.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: gynarchy on 2005 September 15, 18:29:15
The serial number should be on the back of the manual.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Motoki on 2005 September 15, 18:46:30
LOL I did that too at first, I didn't see the serial on the back and CD case and paniced at first, but I guess since the box is the case they couldn't very well put it on the box.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Zeljka on 2005 September 15, 18:51:59
I know there's a way to trick the game into thinking your card is capable (someone mentioned it somewhere on this site recently), so does anyone know what that trick is?

I've seen that trick somewhere, hmm
Could this be the one you're talking about? http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=47559 (nomercy's post)


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: gali on 2005 September 15, 21:54:42
The serial number should be on the back of the manual.

Thanks, I found it...:).
What a weird place to put a serial number - I have to write it down, in case I lose the manual...:).


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: gynarchy on 2005 September 15, 22:14:05
I didn't have the game 12 hours before my 2-year-old ran off with the manual and hid it somewhere. I found it a couple of hours later in the crock pot, along with a stash of M&Ms and my car keys.  :)


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Ancient Sim on 2005 September 15, 22:55:55
I know there's a way to trick the game into thinking your card is capable (someone mentioned it somewhere on this site recently), so does anyone know what that trick is?

I've seen that trick somewhere, hmm
Could this be the one you're talking about? http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=47559 (nomercy's post)

No, it's not, but thanks for trying.  I think it's the same file that's used, but it's something different that has to be altered.  My problem now is that whenever I go back into the game, it resets my options back to default so I have to enable the neighbourhood view all over again.  I wouldn't mind, but it takes ages to get the one that shows you the houses to click on.  What's so irritating is, as I've already said, there is no slowdown or anything so why the hell won't it let me do it by default, or at the very least stop changing it.  Grrrrrrrrrr.


Title: Re: Upgrading Computer Hardware
Post by: Danni on 2005 September 18, 06:33:37
The serial number should be on the back of the manual.

Thanks, I found it...:).
What a weird place to put a serial number - I have to write it down, in case I lose the manual...:).

Us Brits have had it on the back of the manual since the original Sims 1 games :P