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Hello. Long time no post! :)

I was trying to make some adjustments to the asp price of the asp rewards and found some trouble with it.
gwillewyn at modthesims2 site suspects that there is a price limit in SimPe in wich the objects can be set to.
(look at my thread over MTS2: http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?p=1359497#post1359497 (http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?p=1359497#post1359497) )

that limits seems to be 32,500. i don't know wether this limit is only for asp price or simoleon price too, but im looking for a way to overcome this, since i want to make the following adjustments:

REWARD OBJECT --- ORIGINAL PRICE --- MOD PRICE
Noodlesoother --- 5,000 --- 10,000
Money Tree --- 3,000 --- 12,250
SimVac: --- 17,500 --- 17,500
Cool Shades --- 10,000 --- 20,000
Pasteur's HomoGenius Smart Milk --- 7,500 --- 45,500
Thinking Cap --- 16,000 --- 49,750
Love Tub --- 20,000 --- 51,000
Genuine Buck's Couterfeiting Machine --- 27,750 --- 54,750
The Eclectic and Enigmatic Energizer --- 14,000 --- 60,000
ReNuYu Senso Orb --- 6,250 --- 63,250
Elixir of Life --- 30,580 --- 100,000

Can someone help me plEEEEEEEEEEEAAase?
Any help will be great.

Hi again.  :D
I had this idea that maybe Paladin's Categorizer migth be able to do the trick, but I got an overflow error when I tried to force the price too high there too.

Hopefully someone more awesome than me can tell us if it's a limit hardcoded into the game, or just the editors.

indeed that looks like a phisical game limit...wonder why :\
btw to solve the problem asking to Quaxi could be a nice idea ;)

May be the highest number that can be stored in that data field.

Is the limit exactly 32,500?  Or is it more like 32,768?

I didn't explore to find the exact value.  It's probably some sensible number in HEX but, in decimal it just looked messy.
Someone more awesome than me probably knows exactly.

Edit:
32,768 is 8000 in HEX (and 1000000000000000 in binary), so the maximum is probably 32,767.

Indeed the maximum value is close to the 32768 mark, indicating a 16 bit field.

The only thing that could break that limit would be an hypothetical price multiplier field.

i just hate that!!!

so there is absolutely no way to raise the price higher than 32,768? :(

Sorry. :( It's like the Y2K bug.
There just aren't room for any more numbers.

That's what jumped into my mind when I saw 32,500 or something close to it cited as a limit.  16 bits can represent values in the range 0 to 65535 unsigned.  But if it's a signed field, then you get something like -32767 to 32767.  (I may be 1 off at the extremes--it's been a lot of years since I had to know this stuff.)

Yes, this is a limitation imposed by 16-bit values used in TS2. Maybe TS3 will be 32-bit.

Today I was wondering why three sims in a household had exactly the same aspiration score value, until I gave more attention to the number: 327670  :o

Sounds familiar? I appears that this value is the limit for the aspiration score.

And while there is no logic in defining a negative price for an object, the negative aspiration score could be defined by a signed 16 bit field.

As for the 10x multiplier, it can be as simple as appending a 0  ::)

i don't think that limit aplies to aspiration score... (if by score you mean aspiration points that buys the rewards) i have sim with more than 100,000 asp points

Aspiration score is limited to 32767 also, but the game just appends a zero. The smallest possible increment of aspiration pointage is thus 10. Note now nothing ever grants single-digit aspiration value.

I've never even seen anything with double-digit aspiration value, let alone single digit. You would think it wouldn't have that much of an effect, otherwise.

That's because internally, the number of points you ACTUALLY gain is 1/10th of what you SEE. What you SEE is actually the true internal value inflated by a factor of 10 for some unexplained cause. Because for some reason, I guess people aren't satisfied if woohoo only gives them +350 ASP instead of +3500. Even though mathematically, it makes no difference. I guess people just like large inflated numbers, even when it doesn't improve granularity.

so, isn't there a way also to inflate the prices by a factor of 10? or there is no way to include data field for that on the price specification?

No. The inflation of ASP rewards is purely cosmetic. If you want people to pay more for an item, you'd have to make it a multi-part puzzle item that is bought piecemeal and assembled, "some assembly required" style.