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if I had a hack that enabled hidden game code, then I removed the hack, would the action remain?

I had Squinges breastfeeding hack, which I like the idea of, but, there are just too many annoyances, so I removed the hack.  The moms still try to autonously breastfeed the toddlers, even though it isn't actually possible, and there is a food source available.  ( have run clean installer, and gone through all my downloads, and the hack just isn't there)  I, at this point, only have hacks from here, and moniques computer, and that's all

If it's a hack that is installed into your Downloads folder, then removing it should return it back to normal - IE. the Sims will not be able to breastfeed.  If it was something you have to change (like in the config file), then it won't change unless you restore it back to Maxis defaults.

Since the option to breastfeed is included in the game as an autonomous option, it's possible your sims are accessing it for valid reasons. Is this happening in just one, or several houses? Is the fridge a normal fridge (the small one from Uni does not provide bottles)? Is the fridge behind a diagonal wall (in which case sims don't know they have one)?

Removing the hack should have removed the option when clicking on the sim, and shouldn't have done anything else to  the game, so if you are SURE that you have removed the hack and it's not lurking somewhere in your files, then I would look for a reason why the mom sims are feeling the need to breastfeed. I'd start by testing in a house where the fridge is not behind any walls at all.

Mine have definitely never tried, and I've never had the hack, but I don't use a lot of custom fridges.

I put the breast feeding hack into my game.    All went well for awhile.    Then I started to get weird glitches which I assume was from this hack.     I removed the hack and everything went back to normal.
JM said he might do a more awsome hack for breastfeeding.     I am now waiting to see if he does one before adding anything for breast feeding back.     The breast feeding is actually a very nice feature to have but not when the hack causes lot problems.   It did for me at least.    And I don't use any custom fridges just the Maxi ones.

Did you try deleting the groups.cache?    I think the game stores info here, sometimes just removing the hack isn't enough.

I think Squinge has proven to be non-awesome, with all the conflicts and stuff from his hacks.

I did use one Squinge hack, the  adopt teen hack, which was fine, except they could no longer adopt a child, only a baby, toddler or teen!  To my mind it would have made more sense to overwrite the toddler option, rather than the child, and make it baby, child or teen, so I stopped using it.

Squinge is usually pretty quick with error resolving. Have you reported this error, or checked if it has been fixed in a newer version already?

I certainly won't recommend using all his mods (many of them in fact conflict), but he has some gems in there.

Well, I didn't think of it as being an error, just it didn't do exactly what I wanted, but it's useful if you want to add some teens to your families without going through the baby stage or moving townies in - plus I've found generally the adopted kids are rather better looking than the Maxis ones!  (Though not always!)

Adopted babies are simply randomly-generated townies. If you adopt a baby, you risk getting Lil' Baby Fishlips. They don't let you inspect them at the pound, first, for some reason.

i use the breast feeding hack and love it . and his pregancay wear any outfit is the answer to my prayers. i even scarified the kitten killer for them

I am trying his breast feeding hack now because I wanted to see what everyone was talking about.  But I had to get rid of his hack to let pregnant sims wear anything.  It caused too many errors in my game with the pregnant sims and the pregnancy controller, so I took it out.  I had problems with other of his hacks, and so I am leery of trying any others.  I questioned him about one of his hacks, and he wasn't very friendly in his response, so I am not keen on reporting anything else to him.  Actually, it wasn't that he wasn't friendly in his response, because we know that JM is not friendly, but rather that Squinge questioned that I even knew what I was talking about.   :P

Rainbow did you supply Squinge with error log so he could check what conflicts you were experiencing?  He does not know you so he have no idea you are not just one of the other sheeps around.  I found Squinge very helpful and if you explain well or supply an error log he will fix his mods fast.  His mods might conflict with mods made by others than him but you cannot blame him for that. ;)

It is hard to check for bugs without a log or a hack conflict tool report.  JM is requesting error report too here.

I am using many of his mods and have no problem with them.

The latest version he made have all the option to adopt either baby, toddler, kid or teen so this was fix.  You should try it again.  I am using it and have no problem with it.

Well, the hack I was questioning him about was the "fix" for sims getting penalized for skipping class, which they are not.  I said that I had sims skip class all the time and they were never penalized.  In fact, I am pretty sure the game tips say that there is no point in going to class or doing further grade-building activities when the meter is full.  Anyway, he said that was how Maxis wrote the code, like that was that.  I didn't have an error log for that since I never used the hack, I was just asking why it was necessary.  I could have provided error logs for the other ones though.  Maybe I'll try them again sometime, but I just installed OFB so I am trying to get familiar with the game and get the hacks I already have stabilized first before adding anything unknown to the mix.

I ask about a month ago what Pescado thinks about Squinge and he said he had no opion on the subject.  Which is neither positive nor negative.

I agree with Jordi that some of his mods are to stay away as far as you can but they are classified mostly as in "testing".

I agree with you, a sim skipping a class will not be penalize, but a sim missing a final exam will be penalize.  I wonder also why he release such a mod.  Are you sure it was not to stop the final exam penalty?  It would make a lot more sense. 

No, he says it's for missing class, and further down he says in response to someone's question that he doesn't know what would happen if your sim missed the final.

Here's the thread:

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=148759

Pescado never has any public opinion on any modder, except if it's like that period-girl or whatever.  He has said that Squinge's hacks are non-awesome, and they conflict with everything, including Squinge's other hacks!

Well Roxyellen explain in details why Squinge said that.  2 posts below yours.

Yes, and he didn't seem to know that.

When I ask him that in private that is not what he said to me.  Sorry he is not more constant in his answer.

You are absolutely right about the fact he should know what would happen if a Sim miss a final exam.

MissDoh, would you please stop double-posting?  It's annoying.

Sorry I will put quotes in the same post next time.  :P

EDIT:  There was no reason being so rude at saying this though...  ::)

Yes, I saw RoxEllen's post weeks later, but he never retracted what he said to me or changed the wording of his mod or anything.  He just said, "Thanks for the information."  I still don't understand why the mod is needed if there is not a penalty for missing class.  Thus my confusion.  But I'm not going to argue with him.

Squinge is squinge. *shrugs* He seems to be a bit curt or brief in his responses, but he is usually very quick in responding, either personally, or publically.

I agree with Jordi, there are some useful stuff, that doesn't conflict with the more awesome stuff, that I use. The breast feeding hasn't given me trouble... yet. And I tend to trust it a little better because that was borne out of a collaborative effort with jase.

However... you should be careful with hacks that are made as clones of the social plug-in. I think I read somewhere, possibly in Squinge's forums, or maybe here ??? I forget, about someone having certain debug interactions showing up in their sim pie menus, even after deleting a hack. I forget which one it was too. :P Um, yeah not very useful, but I think the issue was that, if a cloned object is deleted, those objects have default 'fallback' GUIDs, so that if the cloned object is removed, and it still exists on a lot, I think it is supposed to revert back to the object it was cloned on. Hopefully this would prevent crashes and such, since the object couldn't exist properly without the file, and as such it would revert back to a GUID that still exists in the game. I think the particular hack in question was a clone of some social mod that, as a result of being removed, it reverted to the fallback GUID which enabled those debug social interactions making them show up (I think it was the Super Duper Hug or something test social).

So... even if you do delete certain hacks, there may be some unexpected results. I forget what the solution was to clean it up. I think the person had to use the lot debugger to reset all off-world objects in order to delete it. Social plug-ins actually instantiate off-world objects that are sort of place holders for the 'code' of that interaction, the the two sims sort of interact through that object. I think these get created and usually clean themselves up, but when the hack was deleted, it didn't clean itself up properly. I think the hack was later updated so that the main BHAV of it would seek and destroy all of those cloned super hug socials.

Ste

He has been experiencing these problems in his game this is why he released that mod.

Syberspunk, I remember something like this with the Corey's test chat or something like that, which you could activate by testing cheats and shift-clicking a sim.  I can't find it in the game now, so it may have been removed.  But once I tried it on a lot, and all the sims had an extra "*Talk" menu, but it had the asterisk in front.  I could never get rid of it, so it must have been something like you describe.

Oh yes but that one was a classic!

You read that right here, after I freaked out and came running for HEeeEELLLLLLLPPppPPP!!!11!!1!!! and J.M. chewed me out for installing something non-awesome. http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=3703.0

There is DEFINITELY no "missing class" penalty. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Squinge's "fix" for this nonexistent problem is Definitely Not Awesome. I can't tell you what it fixes, since there isn't a problem, but it can't be good.

well, I found it, by going through all my sub-folders.  Sorry for asking a totally non-relevent, and definatly non-awesome question.

I really like the idea of breastfeeding babies...I hate all the damn bottles lying around...I mean, if they would clean up after themselves, it would be nice (thankfully, they just delete) but, I don't want to have the annoyances.  (I had my elder mom interact with her adult daughter, and when I clicked, the option to nurse was there...to which, I just said ewwwwwwwwwwwww)

thanks for the help.  I guess it teaches me not to dabble in the "non-awesome"

(MATY got a mention on his forum, too... http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=14157 )

The Baby Controller gives you the option of either having your sims automatically dispose of the bottles or have them disentigrate as if you went in Buy mode and deleted them yourself.

Eh once again I find a thread of utter bullshit slander, do you people have nothing better to do?

Since when did it become the creators job to ensure everything works with everything else.  Take responsibility for what you download yourself and stop giving people a hard time, I bet you all never made an error when learning something new, or made a typo!  Heaven forbid! 

I use a bunch of hacks from various sources, both Awesome (tm) and Non-Awesome (tm) If I notice a problem, I tell the creator, or look for an update or a conflict, or pull it out of my downloads.  Seriously this place has got to be the most pissy, whiney "in club" I have ever had the misfortune to see.

And half of you have hacks in your game that you don't even know what they do, and yet that is somehow OK, when putting in a hack you don't understand the description of is not.

If you don't like the creations someone is making, don't get them, but don't waste time whining about them.

Hm...since when is helping someone out with a problem someone's facing "whining about others' hacks"? And if you feel so misfortunate, why don't you follow your own advice?

Jorenne hasn't said a thing with regard to Pescado's hacks, DrBeast.

I mean she can follow her own advice and quit whining about the "whiners".

well, I know what all my hacks do, and I (with the exception of this one) have them filed in a hack file, by creator.  This one got misfiled, and so when I thought I removed it, I didn't, therefore I thought I would ask a general question. (of course, I'm left wondering what I removed, and when I'm going to miss it)

I wasn't bashing Squinge's mods, I think it's a great idea, but, to ME, there are some annoyances...not bugs, but enough of an annoyance to me, that I wanted to remove the hack.  I actually did post over there to see if the most recent version still has the annoyances.

Actually, my question could have applied to any mod that "fixed" or enabled game code, it just happened that I noticed something when I thought I removed one of squinges mods

I know what every single one of my hacks does.  I don't even have all of JM's hacks, because some modify the game in ways I don't want.  A couple of JM's and TJ's hacks conflict, so I decide what I want.  Perhaps we have been spoiled by JM and TJ and have come to expect high quality mods that work well together.  I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.  I wasn't trying to bash Squinge either.  I was simply stating my experience and personally I decided to pull the hacks from my game rather than trying to go through the hassle of troubleshooting.

I replied over there, I feel no need to do it here too.

Edit:  But yeah, pretty much everything Rainbow said, goes for me too.

I feel bad that I started this controversy.

I guess I shouldn't have specified which hack was in question, and just kept it a general question.

So by telling us you aren't relying here by replying here...are you just trying to get your post count up here then?  :P

Blue, Honey, I'm not trying to pick on you or make you feel bad, but if you are referring to: 


You know that's not true, however I will not make conversations held in other places public.

I didn't say that.  Rainbow said that.

I was mostly referring to

Which is fair, and I'm not saying it is a bad thing, however it really isn't fair to write off another creator because they don't go to those lengths themselves.

At the end of the day it isn't the creators job to ensure they all work together and if you (the proverbial you here, not Blue you) as a downloader can't be bothered to "troubleshoot" or report bugs and conflicts then how can you blame the creators.

No one can conceivably test every mod with every other, some try their best to inform of conflicts they know about, some don't even bother with that stating only that this mod or that mod will work with other mods of their own creation, neither approach is wrong, or even more right than the other.

I just feel that slating creators out of an apathy in yourself to check, detect, and report is wrong.  Everyone can make mistakes.

Jorenne I am applauding and give you a standing ovation for your reply and I feel the exact same way you do.

Unless we report annoyance about a mod to the creator how would the creator knows there is one in the 1st place?  Same with bugs.  Criticize all you want but at least report to the creator what you don't like about his/her mods so they have a chance to improve it and fix the bugs.  What is annoying for you might not annoy the creator.

Hrm. That's somewhat fair as I have been known to be lazy myself. Surprise surprise ;) I think the problem some people may have is perhaps how they perceive to be treated. If you bother to report something, and the creator isn't exactly courteous or in the very least responsive, it kind of turns you off. Pescado might be an exception because we've all come to expect he will just point and laugh at us. :P


I sort of beg to differ slightly on this. I'm not saying it's an absolute responsibility of the creator... but they should in the very least know which hacks of their own conflict with each other. You probably mean that it isn't up to the creator to ensure their hacks are compatible with the hacks of other creators... and while this is true, from the very beginning, at least to me, there seemed to be an implied (hereto referred loosely as) 'rule' that it is polite not to 'tread' on other people's work or in an area that has sort of already been covered. I say loosely since it isn't a hard and fast rule and it's certailny great to have options and variety, for sure, especially if different mods approach things in significantly different ways.

However, things are a bit different now, as modding seems to have taken off, what with all the great tutorials that are available out there, and the further development of SimPE which is a great tool and definitely has made modding much easier. Personally, when I started modding, I sort of made it a point to search the 'main' sites (at least the ones that I knew of) to see if something I wanted to make (either for myself or was requested by someone else but an idea that I liked) wasn't already made. If it already existed, then why bother reinventing the wheel? By putting out so many different hacks that do similar things, I think people in general are more prone to ending up with things that conflict. And while it isn't exactly a creator's responsibility to ensure that their own creations don't conflict with others, it would be nice to consider the possibility that their creations might and to inform/warn the user beforehand. That's not to say that you should scour the internet to look for anything that might conflict with something you create, but a general warning might be nice. Additionally, I personally think it would be nice to not create so many things that could potentially conflict with other mods. Why add to the confusion and chaos? But I do agree, on the other hand, it is really the responsibility of the user to read the rtfms and figure out whether they have anything that conflicts. I won't know of every mod out there, and it would be foolish and quite pompous of me to assume that you use the same exact hacks that I do, so of course I can't account for every possible configuration or scenario.


I agree that neither approach is more correct than the other, but it'd be nice that, if conflicts were reported, maybe the creator includes that as a warning or something, but that's probably just my personal take on it. As for the latter, I don't think that some people here are complaining 'out of an apathy' in checking, detecting and reporting. I think some people had their qualms after doing those things and the response they received (or didn't as the case may be). I think many people, here especially, are pretty ocd when it comes to managing their hacks. :P And as such, they are fairly responsible when it comes to checking, detecting, and reporting. I don't think that was the problem. But what do I know. I kinda just like playing the diplomat. Can't we all just get along? ;D

Ste

PS. Thanks SaraMK for pointing that out. It was actually Dolphin's mod and Not Squinges. I knew I read that somewhere, and I get easily befuddled between the few sites that I frequent. It quickly all becomes a blur to me. :D

PPS. This goes without saying... but we should all be able to equally express our opinion, whether it's criticism or praise, or criticism of criticism, no? Hopefully, we realize that their will be a difference in opinion and can respect those differences. I'm the last person to point out the kettle calling the pot black, because hypocrite see, hypocrite do. ;D

Thank you for that, Syberspunk. 

Oh for goodness' sake... I realize I'm straying a bit off topic here but I just had to say this. Is it just me or is anyone else just disgusted by some (keyword: some) of the posts in that thread?

And yeah, if anyone's wondering about my opinion (Though I have no idea why anyone would. Yet I post anyway. Weird, huh? ;)), I mostly agree with what rainbow said.

*temporarily relocates to the underside of a rock*

Yea, well, hypocrisy at its finest -- condemning what's said in this thread with a message that's written exactly like what they're condemning. :)  At least Squnge has finally closed it.

I find Squinge's new avatar amusing. It's up there with Jase's avatar here.

Personally what I love is the non-linear progression of a thread started by asking a fairly simple straightforward question turning into a debate, a thread on another website and then personal attacks. (Not to mention the squeeeeing of "oh squinge you're wonderful, don't listen to those horrible people on MATY!)
 ::)

I also like how some sheep-person bleats away with the "if you can't say anything nice" rule. As if we seriously pay any attention to THAT here. Nuh-uh. That's what the THANKS THIS IS GREAT button is for.

If that rule applied to JM, he would never say anything.

well, I aim to...well, do something.

I second this (and was surprised that it took so long to get mentioned)! I am all for a breastfeeding hack (when my daughter and I first started playing Sims 2, the social worker came and got the baby because we didn't know you needed a refrigerator for food - and bottles! former breastfeeding mom = not thinking inside the box) for various reasons but the baby controller cleans up those stupid bottles just great.

ok i just read that thread ,  anybody else think its ironic that sombody said we are up jms backside ,and altho i said i like squinges breast feeding mod , and the pregnacy wear anything one (and i do)   all hell is going to break loose when the next ep comes out

Yeah, it was ironic how some were accusing "us" of being up JM's backside, when there was so much ass-kissing on Squinge over there it was sickening.  Mostly, it angered me that "they" want to lump all people at MATY together, as if we were all one person with one voice, one opinion, one mind, one thought, etc., etc.  At least a couple people pointed that out, but I don't know if it made a difference.  How can we be of one mind when we argue so much???

And yeah, all hell will break loose when the next EP comes out because they always break most mods.  He is going to have to update every single one, and decide whether to maintain compatibility for those who don't have the EP.  That's why JM said he was cutting down on some hacks because of the amount of work that has to be done for each EP, and I suspect that may be part of the reason Inge and dizzy got out of modding.

I think that was thing that irritated me the most; one person made one comment here, stating their own opinion(not to mention I love how the one comment was supposedly a "flaming post on a public forum"....it wasn't a flame but if it had been, so fucking what? It wasn't on their "public forum") and suddenly everyone on MATY must have the same exact opinion and we all must be evil and mean (not to mention, "ungrateful" ::).

Dizzy didn't have very many mods. The reason dizzy's out of modding is because he is *DEAD*.

That's not true...I heard he did say something nice once.....in 2004 I think...

You can't prove that.  :P  Besides, someone said they saw him on another gaming forum.  He just got tired of TS2.

They claim that, but that is a sighting that could easily be verified. So why hasn't it?

I like squinge. He seems like a nice guy, I mean, he goes out of his way to make hacks you'd think no one in hell would ever want, just because someone requests it. I have always thought that hacks by squinge are like veggies, some you want in your salad, some are weird and possibly taste bad, and some just plain don't go together. Also, some of his hacks change the same things, but in different ways, so of course they conflict. Unlike JMP, for example, Squinge doesn't expect you to load every single hack he makes into the game, so sometimes they don't all play nice.

Yes, there are bugs and problems that crop up from some of his hacks. Shit happens. Squinge certaintly isn't perfect, and he responds quickly when problems come up. If it is a problem I just plain can't deal with, I take it out of the game. I agree with what Jorenne said about everyone being responsible for their own hacks.

Now, I honestly don't know what the track record is on warning about conflics and trying to fix them, I don't spend a whole lot of time reading those threads. I try to report when there are problems, but other than that..nope.

Anyway, non-awesome does not mean bad.  I know squinge felt attacked by this thread and the people at MATY, and I know that isn't the case at all. Most of us do use his hacks to some degree, so I guess we are not entirely awesome either :P

You know, I said I tried a couple of his mods and they didn't play well with others, so I removed them and used others.  I didn't say he was a bad person.  Why should I report a conflict with something?  It's not his responsibility to make sure they all work with everything else.  That would be tantamount to someone coming over here and screaming that something of TJ's or Pescado's conflicted with Squinge's work.  Is either TJ or Pescado going to do anything about it?  Probably not. 

I don't see why what I said was such a big deal, and I think certain people perhaps didn't take what I said in the context of how I meant it and reported it back to Squinge - who prolly took it in the way it was told to him. 

I also admired the hypocrisy in that thread.  It was not all right for me to make an off-hand remark in passing, but it is all right for all of Squinge's fanboys and girls to flame and attack me, basically?  What-the-fuck-ever.

And I'm not against Non-Awesome hacks on principle, I even downloaded Insim and I like it for the one function I wanted.  I just don't use what I don't like, and I don't feel I should apologize for saying I don't like something or someone's work.

JM? Nice?

/me dies of shock

I don't even know what caused all of this. The thread seemed reasonably friendly until Jorenne's post, which surprised me. I didn't really understand why people were getting upset in the first place... So some of us don't like squinge's stuff. Who cares?

Since Pescado claims that all non-Pescado hacks are "non-awesome," what is there to even discuss? It's just a joke. The whole thing is stupid. Blue didn't attack anyone, and she has a right to her opinion.

Some people flip out over any kind of criticism. I don't get it, personally. If everyone only said happy nice fuzzy stuff all the time, nothing would ever get accomplished.

If you (generic "you") can't take criticism, and if you expect every single negative reaction to something you make to be "constructive", you'd better get used to disappointment. Which I guess would cure the problem of needing your ego constantly stroked.

What Blue said was a lot more "constructive" than all the "oh we luv u Squingey poo" junk on that thread. I use a couple of his mods, I'm sure he's a great guy, but that stuff was just gross.

I do find it funny that little ol' me could start such an uproar with a simple question. 

The fangirl/fanboy responses over on insim just reinforces why I come here, and not there.  We may like Awesome hacks, and I know I admire JM and TJ because they are able to do things that I can't even THINK of doing.  I also don't sit here and make ego stroking posts to them...Somehow, I don't think JM's ego needs that much stroking.

Let the fankids play over there, and I'll happily stay here.

Blue, what I said was not directed specifically at you at all, you didn't do or say anything deserving of attack in the first place. I was just kind of weighing in with my two cents, that's all. I think squinge is doing a decent job at what he is doing, but that he has a different approach to it than modders like JMP. Constructive criticism and reporting bugs is a good thing, otherwise nothing would ever get fixed.

Honestly, other than the few MATY people that posted, I don't think anyone who posted in that insiminator thread has any clue what is going on. They saw a percieved slight against squinge and went rabid. In a PM Squinge even said that he had probably taken it too personally in the first place, he didn't realize the blunt way that MATY people say things. I think his new avatar is a pretty good indication that he's taken the whole thing in stride, even if others can't.

I guess my "too darn nice" flaw is rearing it's ugly head again. I always find myself playing the peacekeeper role, unless I am the one causing all the problems in the first place :P

Also, one quick note, I did invite squinge to come to MATY and speak his mind if he felt he was slighted. That probably would put this whole thing to bed pretty quickly. But then, I also told him Blue was actually very nice, so I may be something of a fibber ^_^



Not everyone at Insiminator is all that bad, for example, me! I'm pretty great, if I do say so myself, and you're missing out on all my good stuff....

Okay, I can't keep that up. Not everyone at Insim is a raving fankid, there is actually a pretty friendly community there as well. I'm not just defending it because I have my little section thingy either. You just have to stay out of the teenage section and come to MATY when you get overwhelmed.

I know that not everyone is bad over at insim...in fact, I did my share of posting over there, until I discovered MATY, and I just don't have enough time in my day to go to all the forums I want to.  I know I'm not going to really run into the "fankid" attitude here, and I prefer it that way.

I pop over there once in a while, but I don't hang out there frequently, just like I pop over to the forum section of MTS2, but don't hang out over there either.  I like the no punches pulled attitude that prevails here.

I don't think Blue said anything out of line, she was just expressing her opinion. But it was obvious that the comments seemed to bother Squinge - and I think that was because someone who doesn't hang around here doesn't know how we use the word "awesome" and I'm sure whomever told Squinge people were "talking about him" probably inflamed the situation.

And I agree that there are some here that are "up JM's ass" and by that I mean, there are some "awesome sheep" that just because JM says something or makes a mod, some will parrot what he says or install one of his mods without understanding what the hack does. And so what? Each forum/modder has its own fan boys/girls. None of us ARE "MATY" even if we are members here. Don't take it personally if it's pointed out that there are sheep here as well (even though JM does his best to chase them away).

People need to have a thicker skin when posting on MATY because so many of us have sharp tongues and we do have a lot of inside jokes. The Insim seems like a "kinder, gentler" forum where people wouldn't be used to the kind of posts we make here. Imagine if one of them wandered into Retardo Land...  ::)

Is it a lunar cycle or what? It seems like every so often we seem to go around in one of these debate type threads - pro/con-Squinge mods, do you pay for custom content, that whole bizarro Senate episode. Whenever I re-read these threads, I can see how people (including me) can get riled up over nothing and the arguing just seems to feed itself and the issue gets bigger and bigger.

I am MATY...RAWR

Okay, maybe not.

Yeah, all of this is basically a whole lot of hooplah over nothing, but sometimes this kind of crap happens for no apparent reason. Silly them for taking Blue's comment out of context, and silly us for taking it back home with us.

I think one comment hit the nail on the head about everyone's attitude. We don't like being lumped together and called "MATY". We all have our own opinions and aren't afraid to express them, thanks. However, we do the same thing. Several times in this thread there has been mention of the Insiminator fankids, and in Retardo Land it is the BBS Sheep, and the MS2 thanks-whores, etc, etc. I do it myself, but strangely enough, I am part of all of those communities (except bbs). It's just a thing people do. It's like saying "The english have bad teeth and like tea" or "The french are stuck up and don't shave their armpits", or even "Americans are fat and eat Mcdonalds all day". Silly humans.

And eww, I don't want to be up anyone's ass. Pescado, Squinge, my neighbor Jerry...doesn't matter whose, asses are just plain not desirable vacation settings. Though we have established that Sims use them as purses and put everything in there for future storage.

And one more thing, the full moon is tonight. Maybe that explains it.