More Awesome Than You!

Ok so I'm really fed up with having to pay some of my workers more than others just because they have BS badges to tasks they are never going to perform, mainly townies.

Does anybody know how I can remove their uneeded badges so that I don't have to pay them more than other co-workers performing the same task? It's unjust!

Please help for great justice!

There's a number of hacks and cheats to do this, including but not limited to the infamous 'boolprop'.  ;D

And still You can't mention any working examples? I've tried a whole load of things including boolprop but I'm not getting anywhere!

Thanks for nothing, bud.

Ever hear of being resourceful and getting off your lazy ass?

Gee, I wonder if the option called the BADGE JUICER might have anything to do with badges? Hmm...  ::)

It can't remove the badges with badge juicer, only set them from bronze to gold. ::)

Okay well then let's see. The Insimenator and SimPE seem to be able to do most everything else. Maybe, just MAYBE they might be able to remove badges.

Jumping right into hostility because the first response is not the one you wanted is a good way to get no help at all. Have you actually tried the badge juicer to find out that badges can't be removed with it? If so, you should have stated that and anything else you tried in your first post.

InSim does have options relating to badges and may be able to remove them, but it may simply emulate the same functionality of the badge juicer; it may be that your only option is SimPE until/if the time comes that some enterprising modder wants to do something about it.

No Insim can remove them because I've done it. I've never used the badge juicer so I admit I was just assuming there.

SimPE can do it too.

In general, 95% of character editing can be done with either SimPE or Insimenator or both. If there's something I want to edit about a character, I always try one of those two first and between the two I can almost always do what I want to do.

Good to know! I just popped over and looked at the documentation, and since it only said something about adding badges I wasn't sure.

I may be hallucinating, but I thought I saw the badge juicer has an option to 'clear badges'? That doesn't remove badges?

When I went through the very tedious process about of rolling random badges for all my 'playable townies' (playable sims I made with the intention of never playing but just to have as friends and breeding material etc) I accidentally assigned a couple the wrong badge and was able to remove it with the Insimenator.

Okay I just checked and confirmed. No you aren't hallucinating. It's there look:

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=136173&highlight=juicer

Not sure if it clears one or clears them all, but even if it does clear them all, it's easy enough to set the ones you actually want back after you clear them.

Ah, so our boy here just jumped to conclusions and was rude about it rather than doing the least bit of footwork himself. Way to go, Mackson!

JM has mentioned that he is planning a mod (or addition to a current mod, not sure) that will not include non-relevant badges when wages are calculated.

Now now... what I think is maybe Mackson have no idea of how to make a townie selectable so he can actually use boolprop on it to clear the badges.

There is a mind control mirror you can get that can do that.. I just don't remember where to get *sigh*.

But then again, if I am not mistaken, you can make any Sim selectable using the "testing cheats" right?

Yup.  And it actually works now.  Turn testing cheats on (boolprop testingCheatsEnabled true), shift+click on the sim, select "Make Selectable".  Very useful for when you are aging up townies using the agesims cheat so that you can give them normal Aspirations (instead of teens with Grow-Up as their aspiration).

Mind Control Mirror is available on simchaotics.com (http://www.simchaotics.net/Files/MerolaSims2/MindControlMirror.htm).

I can't recall exactly right now, but if  Mackson is talking about townie teens, then s/he may be right that
but there's always the agesimscheat.

Edit: no option to remove the badges not because they are townies, but because they are teens.

Motoki:

Thanks for recommending SimPE, I tried it first and couldn't find my way around to the badges. But your recommendation encouraged me to give it another go and I was able to remove badges without any problems by deleting their badges in their memories. (something I had in mind at first but didn't expect would work). I'm not sure about "Insimenator" but It doesn't look like I will be needing it for now.

Renatus:

For the hostility part, I disagree.

Now about the badge juicer, You're only half-right about the "clear badge" option being there.

Fact - If you're playing a teen you CAN'T clear any badges at all with the Badge Juicer. Don't believe me anyone? Just go and see for yourself!

I'm not sure what conclusion you believe I have jumped to, but I will tell you what it is: I jumped to the conclusion that you guys were familiar with the Badge Juicer lacking options. But I myself was not aware of the "clear badge..." option being there for adults.

Missdoh + Ruann:

I already know how to make them selectable, no worries.

To all:

My apologies for leaving stuff out, I had the urge to resolve this a bit quickly. I will try to take the time to be as detailed as possible from now on about any other problems I might encounter that I can't seem to find any way out of, ok?

CuriousSpurious is correct!

Is that cheat reversible btw? If not I prefer to edit them with SimPE intill something better pops up, like maybe a patch that will fix this.

The agesimscheat is reversible at any time.

What I would suggest you do is age it up to adult, make your changes and you can right after age it down again to teen and save your lot.

I made many Sims I was curious of how they will look when older age up and then down with no problem ingame.

Actually you can select what age group directly you want it to reach instead of just being able to grow-up.

Edit:  Don't worry about all this, some members here are just grumpy some days (but of course not always).

Edit2:  You are right Ness his/her first reply was rude and Motoki 1st reply did not encourage in any way such kind of reply.  I did not really read it at 1st but read it now.

Mackson, you seem to be the only person who doesn't view your response to Motoki as hostile.

It's just downright rude!

In text-based communication you need to be really careful how you say something or it is very easy to get the wrong impression.  One post misintepreted can colour the entire way you are perceived in a forum!   

So whats the debug command for removing badges, or - I guess I could do some homework and see if it's on any pie menus.  ::)

I gotta jump in here - the above statement was crude and rude.

As my momma used to say: you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Bud.

Wow, Just wow, I made a slight insult just becuase I first got a relatively useless answer and everyone is shitcanning me in retaliation. At least Motoki became more helpful along the way and didn't seem to take it so personal unlike you, The Internet sure is serious business for some of you people (if not most)!

:D :D :D

Well I'm off, got stuff to do.

I don't think it's so much a debug command as an option on a spawned object.

And the insult was necessary b/c??? If you didn't realize, most pple don't take to assholes very kindly. Especially lazy ones. With your social skills, I'm sure you fare so well IRL.  ::) Toodles!  :-*

If I remember well it is in the "spawn" menu that you get by clicking on your Sim while the "testingcheats" is on.  A little play boat will appear and you can clic on it to add or remove bagdes to your Sims (works the same way as the tombstone of L & D).

uh huh    ::)  you are new, people dont know you and you flip off with rude remarks?  not a smart way of starting off; you are beginning to sound like some Rooster Boy or UncoolOne pretty damned quickly

Great! Another evening editing sims instead of playing.  ;D

It was a bit rude and it irked me at the time but I've been called FAR worse.  ;D

SimPE is your friend. It can do almost anything. The only downside is having to exit the game to do it and put up with the long loading time when you reload it again (well if you have as much custom content as I do anyhow).

Who knew the badge juicer doesn't work on teens? I bet you Maxis didn't even realize that. ;)

There's another hack someone at MTS2 made (Squinge maybe?) similar to the badge juicer but different. Apparently, I've heard it can even assign badges to kids.  :o I'm at work and too lazy to look for it though. :P

Finally, there's another option that hasn't been mentioned yet. You can always do what Pescado does, underpay them!  ;)

I'm puzzled as to why you expected everyone here to be experts and give you an immediate answer, and then got huffy when your assumptions proved to be false. Go ahead and act as superior and I-don't-care as you like; you still come across like a child that's been denied a sweet who is storming off to its room and going "FINE! I didn't want it anyway!"

Motoki, there was no cause to call you anything. He asked a general question without details, and you gave a general answer. What else could you have said to that person?

You were supposed to know what it was he (or she) wanted how? By osmosis? ESP? Thought-channeling? Now I do have great faith in your talents, Motoki, but I don't think even you can do it that way.

For someone that just started posting in a forum, this was a very silly move. Uncouth behavior like that is not looked upon kindly by the majority of people, whether it's on the internet, in social situations, or any other interactive situation.

Yeah Zoltan, that thought immediately flashed through my mind, but then I remembered that I was in the Podium. :D

Go Renatus, I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Edited: because I only just now saw Witch's post... how's that for being outraged. Was I so angry that I couldn't see straight?
The badges appear pretty quickly when you click on 'set to', but don't click on 'Increase'. When I did that in my game, the sim started to spin around (the 'dress - undress' spin).
I was curious, so I let it happen, and he didn't stop spinning until the badge had increased to the next level. It was pretty funny, but took quite a while. I only used the little boat/badge juicer for a little while, to increase to bronze faster. When JM came out with his fix, I didn't use it anymore. I didn't know about the teen thing either, I'm behind in my mind reading exercises, or so it seems.

Huh? His fix is out? Where? Do tell.

Her ya go Idtaminger:

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=3420.0

It's just for the cashier badge though, but that's all I needed anyway. The other badges are fairly easy to get, and not as annoying as seeing even a pixel person behaving as if their brain suddenly switched off.

Well, if you don't have teens in your game, there's no way you could know. I knew because I have teens still hanging around (trying for the last and somewhat elusive 'ET' scholarship) even though I should be packing them off to college already.


I tried that too, and decided that's pretty handy (I tend to get impatient sometimes), rather than handing them a badge without them having to work for it at least some ;D. Give Knowledge sims with maxed out skills something to want too, although it's not necessarily a want limited to Knowledge sims only.

Danke Veilchen, the Badge Juicer works perfectly.

Why would want you remove the badges? Just because they have a certain badge, doesn't mean they have to do the job associated with it, and they can still earn other badges. Besides, you never know when you'll need them again.

I think the issue was that a badge that you don't need them to have and won't ever have them use will still factor into their pay and thus you will need to pay them more. Unless you are Pescado, then you won't care and will pay them as little as possible.

Ah, I see. Need more coffee before I post silly questions.

No, I'm not JM but my workers don't get paid squat regardless.  :D
I've been trying to hire the neighborhood kids to make shoes and small, worthless plastic toys with "Made In Sim City" stamped on the bottom.

I don't know how JM gets away with it, if I pay sims anything under 'fair' their plumbob goes red, they go and shout and stomp at the business owner, then they quit. :(

Witch, Pescado have his own little secrets but now he issued his secret.  You can download the new and shiny "relevant wages + wage fix" mod.

I'm not defending the first poster, but really.. the irony fairly drips off this post.

Yeah, but it's the wrong kind. Not the friendly kind. There is no obligation to help him in the first place, and he was rude when the first solution didn't work. Not cool.

Just as an aside here, it's a little tricky to figure out the badge thing in SimPE.  The info that needs changed is in the Memories section.  I discovered it quite by accident, then ended up setting some sims to gold badges when I really only wanted bronze ones.

Sorry to say, but I just downloaded the badge juicer and it ummm.....probably conflicts with another hack.

I had one sim quit on me even though he was fairly paid and didn't quit before the hack install. Also, every hour, I got multiple (and I mean lots and lots) of -$amounts come off my sims takings.

Anyhow, I got rid of it the hack- no sims was dissatisfied with their wage and I wasn't losing money hand over fist before installing this hack.

Should have known better to use a non-awesome hack!!  :(

It's not a hack, though, not really - all the downloadable version is is one you don't have to spawn through boolprop. It's just pulling from something already in the game.

No, this simply makes them demand relevant wages.

I underpay them anyway. :P

I have people slaving at $6/hr. Whee!
/me crack whip.

So how do you stop them quitting?

He uses playables that his owner has a high relatioship with and who are already in platinum so they are in a good mood regardless of their needs.

What irony? Pray tell? Social etiquette doesn't require me to be friendly to the unfriendly. Well, unless you happen to be in customer service.

Ah, so I am on the right track when I'm trying to make my business owners into friends with their staff. I've been playing with the Maxis families with motherlode on, I wanted to try out all facets before I played with my own families, I grievously overpaid the staff 'cos I couldn't be bothered setting up new staff all the time.

I did get the issue JM mentions, where non-managerial-staff suddenly left with pay in the red because the game decided they needed manager wages, glad he sussed that little glitch out.

I didn't understand the post from Daria - what's wrong with irony anyway?