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When my students get abducted by the Secret Society, they double the household .... hmmm ... finances (I´m danish ::) )
First it was kind of funny, but now when I have a household with 4 students with  §1.000.000 it´s plain stupid and it takes away the challenge. Really annoying. I have Uni (ya ... doh) , NL and OFB installed

I looked at the hacks/fixes you have, but I couldn´t find one that adress that problem ... so my question is : is this bug one that came with OFB or something old that´s un fixable  ???

Rose

This started for me with OFB.  I've reported it on the feedback form at the BBS, but it unfortunately was not addressed with the new patch.  Maybe next time.

i hate bugs that gives out money!!!

Your dorm and SS ... are they Maxis or usermade ... mine are usermade, and I was wondering if that had something to do with it.

Rose

What's supposed to happen is that while on the SS lot the amount displayed is the SS's own lot balance (used for improving / restocking the SS), and that once the student leaves the lot the amount goes back to normal.  That going back to normal is maybe not happening anymore w/OFB?

They are Maxis-made -- the default fraternity, sorority, and secret society houses at Sim State University.



Correct.  That no longer happens since OFB.

That one grows too .... and I can´t let my sims get friends, fearing that the limo will show up and they will get even more cash ... it´s so silly *LOL*
Thanks ... then it is OFB that is the problem

Rose

I've been exploting that for days now. :D
Let's just say that there's one hell of a greek house on campus.

They don't take it home with them and it doesn't fufill any cash wants so go for the gusto! ;)

This may or may not be related to the "lottery move-in" bug. Jase has a "no lottery move-in fix" over here (http://mysite.verizon.net/aestudios/sims2/index.htm).

I'm gonna send him a PM and see if his fix covers this, or if it is a new one altogether.

Ste

*LOL* I believe you

Are you sure ... I think that with another uni hood, the last sim that left the dorm for going home, would have more than 2000 ... but I could be wrong

*LOL* don´t know that one 

Rose

Rose

Actually, they do take a portion home.  I don't know the exact figures (I read a thread about it once, somewhere), but once the bank balance exceeds a certain amount, when one moves out they take a percentage with them.  With my Uni SS members who've been experiencing this, when they graduate they end up in the family bin with between 1.4 and 1.6 million simoleons.  (I reset it to 20000 with the familyFunds "cheat").

I've noticed this too, it doubles everytime someone goes.  As more or less all mine get in due to the domino effect (sort of thing), the balance on mine is extremely high and that's after spending $30,000 of the first amount to resurrect three dormies.  A fourth was resurrected recently, but I only paid $1 out of the millions as I wanted a zombie.  I have thought of using Monique's computer to put the funds into the dorm, but it seems to much like cheating.  I'll just leave it there for emergencies, although it would help greatly if graduated YA's could still visit the SS lot.  I take it this happens in Greek houses as well?  I can't have any of those unless I start a totally new one - I deleted all characters from the Uni and now the game insists they're still Greek houses, even though they're unoccupied.  I've even tried replacing them with a new one, but it still says they're Greek houses.  Can't find anything in SimPE to alter it, so I can't use those lots at all.

Incidentally, has anyone else lost the "Greet With Secret Handshake" greeting option?  I haven't seen it for a while, don't know if it's since adding an expansion or caused by a hack.  I still have the secret handshake option under "Play", but not as a greeting.

If only there were glitches in real life that deposited obscene amounts of money into my bank account

There are bank glitches that occur but the bank will find out and take that obscene sum of $ back in RL but not in the sims.

You can use Monique's computer (MTS2) and make a donation to benefit poor starving sim slum children to get rid of ur money.
The slum children will thank you for it and you gain another halo for entry to heaven  ;D

Why not simply use the familyfunds cheat to deduct the extra money until this is fix.  It would definitely work.

Simply open the cheat box and type: familyfunds insertnameofhouseholdhere 2000.

this would make the household go back to 2000$, it does not work with last name in University part, you must type the household name for it to work.

Millions? Sounds like someone else has been exploiting this bug more than I.  :D

As far as I can tell, it's around 1% but of course, I could be wrong. One of my kids wound up with 21,050 in the bin and the house had about 100K.

precise ... I have a dorm with § 2.500.000 now, and when the last one goes to SS, they will have § 5.000.000  :o

With this bug/glitch there won´t be many starving slum childern in my hood *LOL*

I think I will ... b/c this is ridiculous  ::) Do you use that cheat in the house or in the neighborhood view ?

Thanks for all your input ... it´s nice to know that you are not alone with the problems  :)

Rose

Well... if you can read more about it by going to that link I included. :P If you download the mod, it has an RTFM:


I'm not sure it is related to your problem, but it most likely is. Also don't know if the mod will fix your specific problem, or if it needs to be updated to include this "new?" problem. You could try it out and see if it works for you.

Ste

It will work both ways.  The only problem is when you have multiple familys with the same last name, you never know to which family the cheat will take effect on!  ::)  But in this case, since they are in the University hood and you need to type the household name instead of the last name, you won't have this problem.  Just be careful when you use it with your regular families that have many generations.

There are 3 ways to use this cheat:

1- familyfunds insertnameorhouseholdnamehere +2000 This will add 2000$ to the amount of money the family already have
2- familyfunds insertnameorhouseholdnamehere -2000  This will deduct 2000$ to the amount of money the family already have
3- familyfunds insertnameorhouseholdnamehere 2000  The new amount of money the family will have is 2000$

ahem ... well ... I see ... hmmmmm ... what is RTFM  ???
*LOL*

That is what to expect when we are talking Maxis created *ROFL*

Thanks :)

Rose

RTFM = Read the fu**ing manual, or Read the Freaking Manual, whatever you prefer.  ;D

Or 'Read The Fracking Manual' for Battlestar Galactica fans... ;D

Speaking of which, when's someone gonna make a #6 sim so I can clone one of my servos to look like her.  ;)

Or for that matter, a #6 replacement for the social bunny that only the sim with low social can see would be cool too.  ;D

Maybe I'll find a Lucy Lawless/Xena sim and turn her into a #3 servo at least, heh.

Today I sent Beau Broke to the SS to resurrect a couple of dormies (didn't want to do it in the dorm, too risky).  When he got there, the funds had doubled again and were standing at over $6m.  He did the resurrections, went straight home, and took the entire SS funds back with him, so they had S6,012,566 in the dorm.  Shortly afterwards, his girlfriend graduated and left, taking $168,4209 with her (that's ex-townie teens for ya).  The dorm was then left with $3,419667, so where the remaining $708,684 has disappeared to is anyone's guess.  I'll probably return to the main neighbourhood and find that JM has got it.

Quite what the balance will be on the SS lot I don't know (doesn't seem to be any way to find out in SimPE), but I'm afraid to go back and find out, in case it's still the same and whoever goes takes another $6m back to the dorm with them.  Even if I divide the entire amount up between the 29 students who've passed through since I restarted the neighbourhood, that's still over £200,000 each.  OK, they could all start businesses, but I don't want to run that many businesses, it's too boring!

Amusingly, Beau is intending to join the Criminal career - looks like he's a dead cert for quick promotion. 

I like taking my kids to to the SS and am very annoyed by this bug.  I haven't figured out a way to reset the SS funds, but when my kids graduate and move back to the neighborhood, the first thing I do is reset their funds to the standard 20,000 -- at least I can control that!

As it happened, I could have performed the resurrections in the dorm.  I had another dormie die last night and as she'd just autonomously fallen for another dormie and they had 3 bolts, my 'rules' meant they had to become playable.  I was able to move in her true love and then he was able to resurrect her and she moved in.  Previously, no one could be moved into a dorm so they must have changed that.  I suspected they had when the other dormies I resurrected at the SS had become playable, until I changed them back to townies before leaving.

I tried sending another Sim to the SS just to see what happened and the funds were not only still there, they'd doubled again.  I left without saving to avoid taking almost $25m more Simoleans back to the dorm.  The ex-dormie will be abducted as soon as I play it again (luckily, his girlfriend is already a member), so I can't avoid it unless I put the no abductions hack back in, which I'd rather not do because taking them there is often the only way they can skill and study in peace when they're in a 3-bolter. 

I expect something will be done about this in the next patch, there's a lot of talk about it on the official BBS.

*LOL* Thanks .... and I´ll do that :)

After spending ages sending money orders to all the Sims who'd passed through Uni to divide up the $6m or whatever it was, I decided it was silly so I reduced them all back to what they were.  Beau's girlfriend and her friend moved into a house and they were joined that evening by their respective partners.  The other male wanted to marry a rich Sim, so I had both him and Beau move in via marriage.  The first one was no problem, he brought the $20,000 with him he got when he left Uni.  Beau, however, brought MINUS approx. $370,000, even though he also had $20,000 when he was in the Bin.  I exited without saving and tried again with exactly the same result.  I can only assume it had something to do with the fact that his girlfriend had left with around $3m, even though I'd reduced her right down to what she should have had, which was the original $20,000 plus her $30,000 share of what would have been left in the dorm when the four of them had gone.  Also, when I sent another Sim to the SS just before that, the money didn't double like it had when I sent the other one (that I didn't save) but he still took the $6m back to the dorm with him.

The whole thing is SERIOUSLY mucked-up.

Highly annoying bug this *nods*

I now have twojeff´s No more Secret Society abductions hack, and it have solved the problem in a way. Meaning that I have stopped the SS from spoiling my game but ofcourse my sims can´t go to the SS ... but I don´t mind that any more *LOL*

Rose

I am exited to have this bug  ;D ;D

I even send my sims again and again to the SS, only to gain another million.

Didn't use Motherlode from then on  ;D ;D

But what do you DO with all that money when you've got it, Gali?!  There's a limit to what they can buy after all!

I had it happen when someone moved in recently.  The game said they were bringing so many millions with them, but the actual figure they brought was less than what it said (although still in 6 figures).  I exited without saving and tried again and exactly the same two figures came up, but when someone else moved in on another lot they only brought $5,000, so I don't know what's going on.  The person who brought the millions was an old codger with a couple of days to live who moved in with the Jacquet woman and he certainly didn't have that sort of money where he came from.  The $5,000 came from Missdoh, who moved in with Alexander Goth, so whether it's only affecting new OFB lots I don't know, although that doesn't explain the SS problem of course.

It doesn't prevent your sims from being able to go to the SS. After you've got the "$SIMNAME has been inducted into the Secret Society" message, just have them use the phone to Call.../Transportation. After that, you just click "Go to Secret Society".

I think it's actually an NL thing -- as I recall from both my own game and discussions on line, it seems like downtownies come in with ridiculous amounts of money. Regular townies and dormies usually come in with some random amount below the $20k Sims in the family bin get.  I've seen it range from about $2k (Goopy) to $18k in my game.

Jase has a hack that fixes the 'lottery move in' bug over on the Inteenimator site that pretty much fixes the downtownies to come in with the usual below-20k amounts (except, of course, for Mr. Big and the Diva, who are SUPPOSED to be filthy rich :)).

It's not an NL thing.  The bug has been around since the game first came out.  I was hit by it less than a month after the game was first released.

I sit corrected. :)

Hi everyone,

Just to let you know... pinhead has released a new version of his moveinall hack for OFB which fixes the issue regarding funds being incorrectly reported. I was also having issues with this, even with jase's lottery fix. Even though sim's were not bringing in insane lottery amounts, the number that was reported in the dialog box did not match the actual amount of funds. Ancient Sim describes this problem above. The new version that I requested fixes this, as well as adds the ability to ask other YAs/dormies to 'move in' and join your household, even if they live in the same dorm. I wanted this feature because I wanted to make certain dormies playable without having to move out of the household first or use any selectable 'cheats.' The normal features were to allow 'move in' for any sim, including townie children and up. It also provides the option to erase all memories or let you keep them, so be sure to check out the compatibility warnings.

Anyways, you can try the new version here (http://modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=137823). It currently does Not address the SS Lot lottery bug. This is a separate issue, which I am trying to suss out. Perhaps between the both of us, we might be able to figure it out eventually.

FYI. This is only for OFB. I don't know if pinhead has any plans to update the earlier versions for the basegame, Uni, or NL.

Ste

Buuuuuuuummmmmmppp. Ok. So I banged out a fix for this... and it appears to be working in my test 'hood. However... I still need feedback on this to make sure it definitely works. So, for those of you who actually were experiencing this problem, please test it out. It'd probably be best to test it in 'hoods/households that you don't care about first. Take several trips to the ss lot, probably from different households, and from different types of households (normal residence, frat, and dorm) just to be sure. Theoretically, in the same Uni 'hood, you should have one ss lot, and the money used on that lot should only be from that lot. And when your sims head back home to their respective households, their funds shouldn't increase exponentially.

If you have any problems or get any errors, please post an error log for me to check out. :)

Ste

PS. The fix is here (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=4298.0).

<Hugs syberspunk>

 ;D

I'm going to try it out ASAP. This weekend was the first time since I've had OFB that I got a Sim into the SS, but I was flabbergasted at this particular bug. (Mostly that after all this time there still wasn't any fix for it). The worse part was I had assumed that I could simply familyfunds the money away, but SSs are completely hidden and don't seem to be accessible even in SimPE, and all my Uni households had the same family name so familyfunds wasn't working anyway.

Will let you know if I come across any issues.

<Pushes the Thanks button>

Well... you can still 'fix' the ss lot with the familyfunds cheat... heh, but only if you bothered to write down 1) how much you had before entering the lot and 2) how much you had once you ended up there, and 3) use my fix.

Again, my fix is preventative. I probably should write/include that in the post, which I will after posting this. :P It should prevent all future ss lot funds from getting buggered. It should also prevent the funky loop where the money grows exponentially upon repeated visits by the same sim(s). But once you buggered your funds, it will pretty much stay at the last amount it was before you stick my fix in. I obviously cannot go back and reset those values for you, since I wouldn't be able to figure out what they were to begin with.

Since I knew about the problem to begin with, when I went in to test/verify the bug, I wrote down how much I had before hand. Once I saw that the bug indeed exists, I went to take a look at the code. I suspect that the default value that an sslot normally starts with should be $39,822. It seems like the game will look for a token that is used to store the ss lot funds. If it doesn't find one, which I assume happens on new ss lots that have never been visited  yet, it will create one with that default value. I could verify this by starting a new Uni, but I didn't feel like it. :P

So... what you could do is... once you have my fix in your game, go to the dorm/residence that was affected by the bug and use familyfunds. I always have to look up how to use that cheat. I think you can use it without putting a name in, and it will just affect the current lot. While you are at that household, use the familyfunds cheat and reduce it be $39,822. Then... take a sim to the ss lot. While you are at the ss lot, use the familyfunds again and set the funds to $39,822. If it was the first time you ever visited the ss lot, then that should fix the funds in both places. Once you return to your dorm/residence, the funds should fixed (whatever it was that you reduced it to). If you go back to the sslot, it should still be whatever you set that to, unless there were any actual transactions made before you left it last. If it wasn't the first time you visited the sslot, then you probably have to guesstimate what the ss lot value should have been.

You wouldn't be able to use the familyfunds cheat without my fix, because the funds would just get screwed up again as soon as you entered the lot. And it wouldn't save properly when you leave the lot or quit the game.

Ste

Thanks Ste. To be honest, when I was messing around with this yesterday, I couldn't figure out how to use familyfunds while actually on a lot. I actually had to go into SimPE and fix the Greek house after I finished playing.  The only way I could figure out how to fix the SS funds was to use Monique's computer and "donate" the excess funds. But I prefer not to use Monique's computer, it's an inelegant solution.

But the main reason I want to post is that I just tried it your fix out - at a Greek house - and it worked perfectly. The Greek house funds stayed as they should, and the SS funds stayed where they were. 

It will be awhile before I try it in a dorm, but I'm keeping your fix in and I'll let you know if there are any issues.

THANK YOU!!! Sorry but I have to bleat, This is Awesome!

 ;D  ;D

This is great news ... THANKS  ;D

Going to try it out  :-*

Rose

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Heheh. Bleat away. And it certainly is great that it works! I still don't quite feel awesome yet. I'm far too humble to make such a proclamation. j/k ;D

Joking aside, this is how I used the familyfunds cheat.

familyfunds <household name> $amount

for example, I was testing this with Jimmy Phoenix, so while I was at his dorm, I typed:

familyfunds 'phoenix' 1052

This set his dorm funds to the $1052 that he started with (in my game at least, before I went to the ss lot).

then, when I went to the ss lot, I typed:

familyfunds 'phoenix' 40870

This set the funds of the current lot, which was the ss lot, to $40870. This was the number I wrote down after Jimmy showed up on the ss lot, before I had my fix in. I suspect this is the default money plus his money minus a few stray dollars that were spent by ss lot members playing video games.
$39822 (default ss lot funds) + $1052 (Jimmy Phoenix's funds)  - $4 (possible amount spent on video games) = $40870.

I only figured that out after I looked at the code and thought about it for a while. ::)

Anyways, with the familyfunds, you don't need to use quote ' if the household is one word, but I did it just in case. But if the household does have more than one word, like some of the default Maxis ones (i.e. First Year Students or whatever they were), you do need to use quotes. I am not sure how it would work if you have more than one household with the same name (like the Capps and Montys).

Alternatively, I think you can also use familyfunds as follows:

familyfunds +/- $amount

for example:

familyfunds +4000 -> should add 4000 to the current household
familyfunds -2000 -> should subtract 2000 from the current household

I haven't tried that myself. I always use the family name before the amount. Anyways, I hope that helps. :)

Ste