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Very latest way of getting twins! I have been called all sorts of assholes for saying this is bullshit
JM?

Check the new section of Two Jeff's forum.  ;)

Where?

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=3320.0

 ::)

HERE (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=3320.0)

The short version is that in the stock, unmodified game, this is, indeed, bullshit.

When you say stock unmodified I assume you are talking about Sims 2 and all expansion packs before OFB, because certainly I have had two sets of twins by eating cheesecake with OFB, same person, twice out of two pregnancies, one slice of cheecake after woohoo (with baby bells).

Avie: Look around and stop being a lazy BBSer.  ::)

It's broken without TwoJeffs fix. There still of course is always a coincidental chance of having it without.

Coincidence. Jeffy says it's broken.

Fine so I look the complete asshole. No probs

No problem, if you go to twojeffs mod you can see that I did the same thing. My first sim had twins after eating the cheesecake so I assumed it wasn't broken. =p

It happens. I has twins after I tried spaghetti when the spaghetti rumor was going around and I swore it worked at the time.  :P

So it is a mod, Not in the game coding?

It's a fix for the broken in game coding. Hence why it is a "fix."

Coincidence is probably the source of all the twins rumours...

I got a sim pregnant, she ate cookies, she had twins...  unfortunately... a bit of testing shows that it doesn't always work!  However, I believed it for a bit.

So in otherwords yall are saying the coding is there for twins via cheesecake but its broken and twojeffs fixed it (and tweaked too if I recall), correct?

I am going to have to do a bunch of twins testing tonight then. I am going to be crazy if I get twins everytime though, just to say that up front.

My Sim ate cheesecake and had twins. It could be coincidence, but I still think eating cheesecake causes twins.

I will try it again but then I will have to kill the entire family  :P

yes

There are two versions of the fix: One is a straight up fix of the Maxis coding. Maxis made the code so that if you eat cheesecake AFTER conception your sims have a 100% chance of twins. So cheesecake= twins. No random chance, do not pass go, do not collect child support.

The other is a twojeffs tweak, he changed the percentage so that it is only 50/50 as opposed to 100% So you have a coin flips chance of getting twins. This is the one I got for my game.

Who has had a pregnant Sim eat cheesecake and NOT had twins?

TwoJeffs and Pescado actually looked at the code. I trust what they say more than the umpteeth Joe Blow saying 'My sim ate pinapple upside down cake and had twins!'.

JM please help.
That actually affects the coding?

It fixes the code, Maxis broke it and sent it out broken. TwoJeffs made it all better again.

I repeat what I have always said regarding twins-they are more trouble than they are worth :D I'm keeping the broken cheesecake.

JESUS H CHRIST! For the umpteeth time and in simple BBS-lish, here's how it goes.

Maxis intended it to work, but they never tested it and it didn't. Two Jeffs found what was wrong and fixed it. It does alter the code but only to fix the original code that Maxis put in that was broken to begin with.

If you are scared of hacks then don't use it.

I'm curious-what does the 'H' stand for?

I always assumed it stood for "Holy" but I am kinda of partial to "Harold" as well.

 Harold :D *giggle*

I don't in fact. I'm the lucky owner of a very powerful Powermac. But I see I am wromg on the cheesecake thing

I know TJ and JMP looked at the code and I do trust them as most awesome programmers and modders but sometimes even modders can be wrong.  I am going to try the cheesecake thing one more time (without the cheesecake fix). If I get twins again I will most likely think that cheesecake = twins. Yes I know it could be coincidence but two in a row would be a bit of a stretch for me. Not to diminish any awesomeness of the most awesome though.

Either way, I would rather have 50% chance than 100% O_o

And twins are a pain in the neck. I thought getting pregnant right after giving birth was bad (trying to care for an infant while running to the bathroom and hurling), my poor simmies that had the twins haven't been able to open their shop since they gave birth! Poor things.

JM?

He already answered your question, as did Motoki, twojeffs (in his fix thread), and many others.

Please stop whining.

Yes and go back to the BBS or at least Retardoland while you're at it.

This thread belongs in Retardoland.  I've noticed that Pescado has been willing to move threads that were in inappropriate areas before.  Threads about Bella or which perpetuate myths about twins or anything else that has been well-explored really belong there.

 - Gus

Nobody in here is going to coddle you since you clearly lack in the skills of "Reading Comprehension" and "Basic Common Sense". 

Not to be picky...  but to really test this properly you would need to get a sim pregnant and then save...  eat cheesecake and see if it is twins...  then quit without saving and see if it is still twins without eating the cheesecake.

One more coincidence is not going to be proof that it works - if it was going to be twins anyway, you've wasted your time!

But seriously, these are the people we trust to fix our games - if you don't believe them when they say "cheesecake is broken", how can you really bring yourselves to believe them on anything else?

And Avie, grow a brain!

Sure it wouldn't be "proof." I can't really "prove" this to anyone else anyway. However if I had a string of twins in a row after eating cheesecake, I would lean heavily on the side that cheesecake = twins. I still want to know if anyone has had their Sim eat cheesecake while pregnant and NOT had twins.

I do trust the programming skills of the Awesome clan; that fact is not under dispute. However I do believe even those who are most awesome can, on that most undeniably rare of occasions, make the occasional error.

It's always possible it's broken in some cds and not others. My copy was a preorder, maybe different versions of the code was sent out?

Either way I would rather cheesecake = twins 50% of the time, than 100%

Sometimes its best to keep it to yourself...and not argue with the devouted or devoutees.

But I have to wonder aloud for a minute. I have noticed that some people have repeated bugs that others do not. Case in point, in the last EP many people could no longer use the potty training trick of canceling out the action, many people including myself could. Now with this EP some people are reporting they can no longer do it (me) and some are reporting that they still can.

Some people report bugs that cant be reproduced by modders, but clearly they have an issue. I think the install is just plain whacky. I experienced this with the base game repeatedly, it took serveral tries to get a fully working install without bugginess. Once I got that I never experienced the bugs others complained about, mostly the same with UNI and Nightlife - I just got lucky I guess that they installed correctly. I am not sure if OFB installed cleanly yet or not, it would suck if it didnt and I had to start over because TS2 base was a bitch to get installed proper.

Anyway I will be doing extensive cheesecake testing the next few days - at least until I get a broken result. I suppose I should use a test hood since if I dont get a broken result right away I will end up with more twins than I want. Maybe I should test all the hoods plus a custom to see if there is something there...hmmm.

I do know what you mean about bug inconsistancies. I don't get a lot of bugs that people complain about, but I wipe out my neighborhoods and start over fairly frequently. So I have never gotten anywhere close to a BFBVFS.

But it is like that for most games though. People complain about bugs in KOTOR and KOTOR II and I have only experienced ONE.

Heh. You have a very interesting view of gold masters....

No. Maybe two different releases are different (TS2 CD and TS2 DVD), but preorders are identical to normal copies.

Maxis simply messed up the code, and anyone getting twins after cheesecake is just lucky.


As for KOTOR2: the entire real ending is broken. I'd consider that a huge bug. Sure a replacement was hastily added in, but check the modders' work for the real ending (which they fixed). KOTOR2 is a good example of a game which was released a few weeks (at least) too soon.

It was a thought.  :P I have the Sims 2 DVD, though, maybe that makes a difference?

KOTOR II was released a few MONTHS too soon. I am eagerly awaiting Team Gizka to finish restoring the lost content. Even if it means Atton may die.  :'(

What I'm saying is that the cheesecake thing can only be proved in one way...

if you take a pregnancy that is KNOWN to be single (ie, get a sim pregnant, and play til birth), restore back to a point in the same pregnancy, pre-birth, eat cheesecake and then see if the result of the pregnancy differs...

it's not that difficult!  Use the tombstone of L&D to speed the pregnancy, and just save when the sim is pregnant and quit without saving to return to the same point.

Am I the only person who understands scientific method?  You can't prove it by any number of pregnancies that may be twins after the cheesecake without first determining if that would have been a single birth without cheesecake.

Shaklin's medicine cabinet is a reliable reporter on the number of babies expected.

And wouldn't Brandi Broke be the ideal test case (as mentioned elsewhere)? She always spawns a single son.

Would any self-pollinated sim (like Brandi) birth a single child of the opposite gender? Now you've got me curious and my Brandi had her son ages ago.

Maybe OFB just upped the chances of twins, period.

It used to be a guarantee that the child would be opposite gender but otherwise identical to the mother.  I think they did something to alter it, but I'm not sure.  I know the same thing would happen if the other parent died and their tombstone was deleted before the birth happened, so maybe that's what they fixed.

Yeah and maybe I have pigs coming out of my ass.

I swear to Christ I could STRANGLE Maxis for putting this 'feature' in! It took MONTHS for all the twins rumors and inane gibber jabber about it all over every god damned sims board to die down and they just went and stirred the shit up all over again.  >:(

I posted this on TJ's Cheesecake thread, but will repost it here:

I did some preliminary testing tonight, but I don't know how much further I have to go with it.  I had the 50% version of this mod installed, but took it out of my downloads for this testing.  I used the tombstone of L&D to to get a sim pregnant, saved the game, used speed up my pregnancy to make her give birth, had a single baby.  Exited without saving, reentered the lot.  My sim is still pregnant with 1 single baby.  She ate cheesecake, gave birth to twins.  Repeated this 6 more times, so far, all births with eating cheesecake were twins, those without cheesecake were singletons.  The single birth pregnancy changed to twins, seeminly because of eating cheesecake, as that's all she did between.  It seems to me, that because the pregnancy was originally a singleton, and changed to being twins after eating cheesecake, that it does indeed have some effect.  I have not tested its effect before getting the sim pregnant, although, I doubt that will have any effect at all.

I don't report this as scientific, nor is it concrete evidence, but merely some preliminary testing.  I think the fact that the pregnancy itself changed after eating the cheesecake says it must have some effect.

hmm maybe maxis is trickier than we thought.

Thanks for sharing that FC. Certainly looks interesting. I wonder what more testing would show. I know absolutely nothing about code but it's beginning to look as though there's more to this than meets the eye. Really odd.


You and me both Motoki. I'm beginning to think this is Maxis' sick idea of a joke or revenge and they're having a major laugh at our expense. Perhaps the "forcetwins" cheat was a good idea to shut down all the stupid fake twin cheat threads but the food thing is a major train wreck.

Has anybody done this?  If not I'm going to do it and at least I'll know in my game.

I don't have the fix for the code and don't want it as I'm really trying not to have twins on purpose in any way, shape, or form.

Um...I think that's what I did.  Correct me, please, if I'm wrong.  ???

according to Prima (which of course, we all know is crap) cheesecake is PRIOR to conception, "forcetwins" is anytime AFTER conception.

I have also read that woohoo has to take place when the sim is still full from cheesecake, or within 3 simhours of eating cheesecake...etc.

So really, if you want cheesecake to cause twins, download TwoJeffs hack.

I had a sim who had 3 hrs of pregnancy left with a single baby (this was according to InSim which has a "pregnancy stats" option). I do not have twojeffs hack. I had her make and eat cheesecake. She had about 1-2 hrs left of pregnancy and I did not check InSim again. She gave birth to twins. I did nothing else to try for twins.

I have another prego sim so I will check this again as ness suggested.

Opps I was only skimming the thread half assed.

I still have to test it in my game anyways since there's a disagreement about it and all lol

Well, I tried this with another sim that was pregnant before I installed OFB. I did not have her eat cheesecake or force anything and she had a single birth (a boy). I quit without saving. Then went back to her -she was about 45 hrs pregnant and I had her eat cheesecake. She gave birth to twins (a girl and a boy). I do not have twojeffs fix -yet.

I posted before about checking the pregnancy with InSim, but didn't think about the fact that it's not updated for OFB so it doesn't recognize the change from a single birth to twins.    :-[

So with FatedCircle's tests and my own -I'm convinced.

Well my test came up with this (and it is also posted in TJ's post).  I must say I don't have TJ's hack in my game or any hacks that would increase the chance of twins since I don't like having twins in my game.

Since I have a fresh game install I thought that Brandi Broke house would be the best to test this since everybody knows she will always have a single baby when we start to play her unless we added an hack to change this.

I made Brandi ate cheesecake and she gave birth to twins.  I went back to neighborhood without saving.

Now just to make sure, I reloaded the lot, did not made her ate cheesecake and she gave birth to a single baby like usual.

So for me, that code is not broken and it is definitely working as Maxis said.

I guess even the best can sometimes make mistakes.

Feel free to test it to if you wish if you have a virgin version of Pleasantview in your game.

You beat me. I just did the exact same thing. Same result.

It is always good to know somebody else tested this and came up with the same result as me.  ;)

Back from my testing

Cheesecake works 100% of the time w/o any fix for the code in. 

Both when I fed it to my sims prior to conception and after.

Prior to conception I used Insim's reproductive adjustor for pregnancy stats... 2 babies each time.
After conception checked the pregnancy stats  before having the sim eat the cheesecake.  1 baby reported.
Had sim eat cheesecake, still 1 baby detected as it should be since it has been noted that the adjustor will not pick up these "cheats"
Sim ended up  giving birth to twins anyways.
So on and so forth...
Code doesn't seem to  be broken in my game.  Cheesecake was always eaten one hour prior to or after conception.

Check the BBS - they are now talking about whether eating cheesecake will produce quads! ::)

Maxis is really sick. I totally agree with you Motoki! After months & months of spaghetti & cookies rumors & that finally dies down, now we have cheesecake. And to think I used to love cheesecake.

Try it with another family (see my post in the cheesecake fix for the first one) : got my sim pregnant (one baby according to insim) : played her without eating cheesecake, saved at 70 hours of pregnancy.
Then I have her eat anything but cheese cake : single baby
Exit without saving, have her eat cheese cake (at 70 hours of pregnancy) : twins
Repeat : twins with cheese cake, single baby without... Each time. And I don't have TJ's fix for it in my game !

I am still getting twins with each session of cheesecake eating. No cheesecake, no twins, cheesecake - twins.

I wonder if Maxis is playing a joke on us all and somehow set up the code to be random on machines...thus keeping rumours alive and this time more vehement since clearly people are getting twins with cheesecake.

Brandi and Skip are now proud parents of twin girls by the way. (as are 16 other families in various hoods)

Tell us how you really feel.


sheesh. some of us just think its odd that its broken in some games and not others, just comparing notes - sorry you dont approve.

I think we need 10 threads speculating about Bella now.

 - Gus

Well you want to 'compare notes' I suggest the BBS. There's already ten billion threads about it there.  ::)

YES SIR!

I guess we should also make sure all topics are personally approved by you from now on too, o lord Motoki!  ::)


whatever.

well I think that I will really want the fix now! the 50% version that is!

hehe, people are so different, I've actually been enjoying reading about peoples twin/cheesecake testing  ::)

I was going to test it myself after reading at other forums that it worked without the fix, now I don't have too  ;)

I thought it was a post dedicated to the cheesecake thing... I guess I was wrong...  ::)

Sleepycat I also enjoyed reading others result.  Now I know I need the trip & quads hack more than ever!  :D

There is only ONE cheesecake thread here, and it is rational. There is a big difference. Chill out, everyone. I like that people are testing this. With enough tests, we can determine if the differences are significant, or no different from what would have happened anyway. We can even do it statistically /puke.

Is there something odd about the code, so that the time when you were supposed to eat the cheesecake was changed from before the pregnancy, to after? I thought it was only supposed to work if you did it beforehand, but people seem to be getting twins this way.

And another thing- through cheesecake or force twins after conception, does this result in identical twins? I would think that instead of rerolling genetics, it would just clone the original conception. Has anyone looked at this?

Genetics are determined during birth. Each baby's genetics would be determined as it was being born.

The twins produced this way are exactly the same as any other twins born in the game -- the gender is randomly determined at birth, and rerolling can change both genetics and gender.

Karen

right, I realize gender is determined at birth but I thought genetics were at conception- guess I was wrong then

The genetics are definitely decided at birth, along with gender.  I've rerolled many times when the baby's eyebrow color didn't match the hair color I was hoping for.

Karen

I have no idea if it would work before pregnancy (but I am pretty sure it would not) but I can surely tell it does work 100% once they are pregnant.

See the problem is that if it would work before pregnancy, for how much time before they try to woohoo would the "cheesecake" take effect?  I would definitely be scared to make any of my Sims eat some cheesecake if there is no time limit to that effect.  Maxis probably (though they can surprise us all the time) made it too work only after pregnancy so it is easier for the game to take track of this.  I have no way to confirm this since I am not awesome enough to create mods or check that, but according to TJ, this works only once they are pregnant and it definitely makes sense.

Supposedly three hours is the cap.