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I am wondering if too many memories will corrupt a sim.'
I had a vampire hanging around forever. He is my absolute favourite and he is not going to die as long as I am alive!
So if he had like, 100 pages of mempries of "meeting xxx" etc and other useless memories, will my sim eventually be corrupted and DIE?
I am kinda worried here...

Thanks. :)

The Manual writes this:

Vampires:

* Don't reflect in mirrors.

* can turn other sims to vampires with the Bite Neck social.

* Don't age; they remain in their current age group forever.

This is written about adult vampires. Until after college, the kids grow as usual.

thanks. I know all that. But what I need to know is : Will too many memories corrupt a sim?  Makes the sim cranky or stuff like that?
I cite the vamp as example because he lives forever and already had 20 frigging pages of memories!  :o

I'm curious on the answer too because i made a vampire sim and i plan to have her live forever so eventually she'll be over watching the 20th+ generation of her children.

Should be there a maxium the first thing to go are those stupid met so and so memories, totally useless.

Well, make sure you have all the anti-spam mods you need, and remove unnecessary invisible memories - but make sure they're safe to remove.

If a vampire lives forever (I begin to like the idea, lol - until now I ignored the vampires), it makes sense that the number of the memories won't corrupt his file. In TS1, at the beginning, we were restricted to a certain number of downloads; with the added EPs, the number was changed to "unlimited". May be it's done here too.

As ZZ said, you can delete some unimportant memories. But I think only JMP or another modder can answer to this question.

You would assume that all the extra memories wouldn't affect anything, otherwise Maxis wouldn't have introduced vampires & zombies in the first place, but to assume that would also mean assuming Maxis know what they're doing and I find that extremely hard to assume. 

You can certainly delete any invisible memories pertaining to useless crap, especially the "Fell in Love With So & So" type of memories they get if they just happen to be present when something takes place.  With these memories, they're not likely to get them back again because this sort of thing doesn't tend to get passed on after the event very often.  Invisible memories relating to family members are probably best left alone, but those relating to people who just happened to be around at the time can be disposed of because they don't really serve any useful purpose.

Too many pages of memories will not "corrupt" a sim in the sense that the game will explode in a big fiery ball visible from space, but may start to manifest symptoms of bad memory access (Too Many Iterations resets) anytime the affected sim attempts to perform various memory-access functions. With TMI now requiring 10x as many interations as before, this may take awhile, and when it does, it should be easy enough to stop, for instance, modifying the actions to only check the first 150-odd memories. All in all, the problem is presently only theoretical, but the possibility exists. It is not, however, fatal and can be repaired if it manifests.

In theory, a maximum number of memory tokens may exist at around 30000. This is potentially reachable and at this point, bad things happen.

Thank you JMP for being so awesome  :P

With ur assuring reply, I feel sure that my beloved vamp will live forever. Previously I have 'locked' him at home to prevent him from meeting too many people and such...

I wish there is a hack or somethng to nuke all those "meet xxx" memories. To me, they are 100% useless.

ETA: Since you mention the possibilty of "bad things" happen, I think I will clone my sim in case it happens . So yeah, for those who wants their vamps to live as long as yourself, better make a clone of the sim  ;) i

Thanks for the explaination i don't think my sim will be reaching 30k memories anytime soon.

How to make a clone of the sim, may I ask?

Lion, there are various threads dealing with this fairly comprehensibly, but basically, you use the clone option in SimPE, and then when you install the clone files into either downloads or Saved Sims, they will appear as faces in CAS next time you load your game.  You would then need to use that face to create your sim, and later edit whatever of their personality etc. you wished in SimPE.

I see, thanks. Last time I know, I can do surgery on sims, now clones?! hehe...

There is SimPE, and if you get the Memories editor enhancements for SimPe (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=2590.0) plugin in Peasantry, it shouldn't be too painful. Shift-select all those "meet xxx" memories, then 'cascade delete' to clean out those invisible ones in other sims' memories too.

I'd only do this on Met XX for dead Sims that your vampire isn't liable to meet again, though, because otherwise they'll just get them back again the next time they interact with that Sim. I had to replace a corrupt Sim with a clone a while back, and I fabricated back her important memories (not any meeting people memories) up to where she got corrupted, and put back the relationships she had with everyone, but there are huge tracts of memories after that where she's meeting people again that she has 100/100 with.

There's really no point in deleting them, and I for one never delete visible memories owned by the sim in question and with the memory token in place - unless I'm planning on deleting the sim the memories refer to.

I was under the impression that they don't get it twice. Looking at the pre-made YAs living in the same households, there weren't any 'Met xxx' memories of the other members in the household, so I assumed they won't get a new 'Met xxx' if the sim in question was already marked 'Known' :P.

I should think you're right, but even if you have 1,000 sims (dead or alive) in your hood, that's only 999 met XX memories, far below the 30,000 that JM mentioned as being critical!

I can be over-zealous in cleaning out memories sometimes, (I'd like if they don't talk about burnt dinners anymore - gossip about something else already! Sheesh!) but mainly so that looking through their massive numbers of memories they'll inevitably amass in game isn't so slow.

True, it's a pain when you want to scroll back and check how many woohoos they've amassed!

Would it be possible to make a hack in which no new memories are ever created?  That might stop a load of this invalid memory and junk copies of sims being transferred with houses.  I think Maxis honestly needs to revise these memories in an expansion and make it more of a menu or something.  For example, instead of having pages and pages of "Met" memories they would just have a large bloated list of sims they have met.

Yes, but some memories are important!  If the total number of memories can now reach 30,000, your sim would have to live a very long time.........

I don't bother with 'Met xxx' memories, but I can definitely do without another 'Met' grandchild memory. Grandparents have these 'Met new Grandchild [insert name]', then another 'Met [insert name]' when they actually meet the new grandchild. It's weird how that memory was worded, but since they've already 'Met' the grandchild, why have another 'Met' memory?

I agree, that "Met Grandchild" memory is weird...especially when they never have.

I think it may be important for a Family sim with the HaveSixGrandchildren LTW to have these memories.

I don't know.  :-\  Maybe they serve a purpose somewhere, but I find memories to be irrelevant. I don't understand why people care what their Simmies' memories are.  I'd be happy if mine didn't have any at all.

However, there is one instance in which I wish they had a memory, but they don't.  I can never remember what major my Simmies had when they were in college, so I can't remember which jobs were ideal for them upon graduation!  (I'm old.  I can't remember much of anything too well anymore.  ???)  Maybe their major doesn't really matter?  Does the game really tie the two together?  It would be nice if there was a memory something like; "Declared Major: Philosophy".  I suppose it's not a very "memorable" event.  LOL!   :D  But still, it would really be helpful once they get back to the neighborhood.  I don't work with them one at a time.  Usually I graduate a whole dorm full before I go back to the main neighborhood.

It states their major in their diploma. Hang it up on a wall, click on it and "read diploma". But yah, I too wish there was an easier way to figure out their major! The major gives them a "job level boost" on related jobs, i.e. when they use the computer to find a job they start one level higher on related jobs, which makes reaching the top of those careers ridiculously easy!. No worries, I feel the effects of senility kicking in on me too...and I'm only 31!

Well, for starters, a popularity sim who forgets every best friend he's ever made wouldn't get the Have 20 Best Friends LTW.  (At least, I don't think he would!)

Lobotomize nannies, by all means, but why lobotomize your playable sims?

Memories are important for tracking things like the number of Woohoos a Romance sim has and who with, as well as the Best friends for Popularity Sims that ZZ mentioned.  Memories also help Fortune sims track how much money they've earned.  It helps Knowledge sims keep track of how many skills they've maximized, and how many times they've been abducted.  And for Family sims, they keep track of how many babies they've had, how many relatives got married, etc.  I've had times when a memory was deleted of a Romance sim woohooing with a certain sim, and when they woohooed with them again, it was like the first time.  They got a new memory and it counted as a new woohoo.  But they had lost the previous memory, so it really was just replacing the one that was lost, not like an extra one.

Personally, I like looking through a sim's memories because it gives them a personality and it is a history of where they have been.  Sims without memories would be going backwards to Sims 1 when Sims didn't remember anything that happened to them.  They didn't even remember getting married or having a baby, or someone they loved dying.  That is just weird. 

Although, I discovered recently that memories and LTWs are a bit flakey still.  I 'popped in' on John Burb and family the other day, and found he was perma-plat with a new LTW.  His old LTW was to graduate 3 kids from college, but so far, only Lucy and his first kid with Brandi Broke had graduated.  A check  of his memories and I found the game counted Lillith and Angela Pleasant (his nieces, for those who haven't traced the bloodlines :)) as his 'kids' for the purpose of fulfilling this LTW.  You'd think that only direct decendents would count, but the whole family ties thing is a bit weird sometimes in the game...

It always counts just 2 kids, for some reason.  Brandi gets the same when just Dustin and Beau have graduated, and she doesn't have any nieces or nephews.  Nieces and nephews and grandchildren don't count!

Ah, ok -- I misinterpreted what I was seeing then.  :-[  Thanks, ZZ!

I think it's something to do with the way memories are worded, and it's very annoying really!

Or it could have something to do with what Ancient Sim said about how family sims still managed to achieve the 'Graduate 3 kids from college' LTW (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=3001.msg87247#msg87247) with only 2 kids.

Brandi went  Permplat before I'd moved Beau or Dustin into a house and as far as I remember, even when they did move in, neither got two memories of their graduation.  Just Mum!