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It seems carrigon and vampcat have abandoned VS along with some others they have started their own site

http://sims2workshop.com/forums/forum.php 

I guess it was only a matter of time.

Interesting.....more drama at the ole MTS2 eh?

*And I noticed Carrigon still has the Morgan Fairchild look alike avatar*   :D

Old news.

Well it's new news to me I just got the email with the link. :)

Old news??

Damn it!! I've got to not get a life and stay online a bit more!!  :)

I didn't know either and forgive me for asking:
Why is it only a matter of time before they jump off the wagon?  :-\

Because that site has a lot of lag.

Also, eventually all serious creators seem to get their own sites.

Getting a whole site is expensive and a lot of creators at TSR are forever stuck there lol.
Sometimes I wonder at the attraction of TSR to these talented creators  ???
It can't be the free days. Serious creators create and don't play much.

Actually, having your own site doesn't have to be that expensive.  I don't think Pescado even pays for this one, he's hosted.

Hey, speaking of VS - remember all that kerfuffle about VampCat casually reproducing twojeff's mods and not even bothering to tell people looking for TJ where to find him?   One of the results of that spat was I got banned - erm, put on 'Read Only'.  I and a few others asked for our accounts to be deleted and we were told, 'not to worry, after 3 months without any activity your account will be deleted'.

Guess What?!  Rentechd lied!

I just thought to check if my account has actually been deleted.  Sadly, no.

http://www.variousimmers.net/vsimforum/member.php?userid=1958

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Now by my calculations, that would make it 3 months and 10 days since I last logged in there.  I'm only willing to accept time zone delays to a certain extent.  10 days is a little beyond what I would take into account.

I don't know whether to do anything about it or just leave it there.

Uhh no, that is not correct information.  I had an account there that I set up the day I discovered Pescado (two days before he moved here, as it turns out  :P), and I forgot about it when I came here.

But recently I wanted to download a Carrigonian hack and I had to register.  I put in my old username and password that I made back then, and it still worked fine.

So accounts don't seem to get culled (and I didn't even have a single post).

So glad I saved her PMs to me on the topic on this forum for posterity.

I don't understand wht do you call it "abandon"...:).

It's so natural movement, that hardly I can call it "abandonning".  It's the Creator's strive to independence.

Reggiko, who is a Senator here, has her own site; Brynne, Senator too - has her own site; not to mention members like Inge, Ausieone, and others, that have their own site long time. None of them "abandoned" MATY - isn't it?

I am really sorry, that the leave of VS by JMP was accompanied by  quarrel, and misunderstood by Rentech. But JMP's leave was quite normal, as he wanted to be independet too.

...Nothing unusual...:).

What bothers me is, that some sites don't permit to post the URL of others sites (like VS about MATY), and we, the players, "eat all the s...t".

I missed that! *never should have taken that break from sims 2*

I didn't use my VS account for over 5 months and it still works, she isn't going to delete accounts, that would make the number of members go down  :o


Gali, I believe JM left because he disagreed with whats her name, over site policy...you know that damn kid friendly shit, god forbid the little shits read a swear word on a forum when they can hear worse on tv  ::)



I even call my daughter a little shit sometimes so nobody should bother getting their panties in a bunch about it.

Sleepycat:  [gali advanced in English language]  - no shit?  ;D ;D

(I remember it from the movie "Total Recall")...

That's very flattering, but I hardly put myself on the level with all those others. I just wanted a place that I could share stories of my characters, since they were beginning to get some recognition, here. Completely different type thing, and I never saw it as a matter of it coming down to this forum or mine. I can do both just fine. You ain't losing me just yet!  ;D

 

Because the featured artists get paid.

XPTL appears to be moving to The InSimenator site

That's because if he moved here, I'd make fun of him and call him "Vowelless One" all the time. Seriously, what kind of a name is "XPTL" anyway? Even the Aztecs didn't call anything "XPTL".

Actually that's not true.  Xptl is the Aztec word for that little screw that holds the knob onto a teapot lid.

I dunno about that.  I was trying to watch Dead like Me for the first time, and lost interest because there was a particular scene where every second word was bleeped out.  It was incredibly annoying.
Actuallly I think it's a Aztec brand name for instant hot cocoa.

Serious? How much do they get paid?! I always wanna ask this question over there but I am afraid this is a forbidden question or something. The mods are pretty you know ...strict. They locked threads when you discuss topics they don't like... such as questioning why stories forums are in off topic (most recent case  I read)  and some other crap issues.

They also don't like people giving out outside links.

I think they only don't like it if the site is not PG13.
And their definition of PG13 is very strict...I was warned once.
I think my defn is more like M18 to them ... ;D

Mod the sims 2? I don't know of anything bad there, outside of the odd swear that gets deleted by mods.

I am talking about TSR  :P

I'm not sure if they have the same offer going for all FAs or if some get paid more than others. The amount they pay is based on how many subscriber downloads their items get, but there is a monthly upper limit. What they offered me one time was a maximum of $250 a month ($10 for every 10,000 downloads), but who knows if it's changed since then. I would imagine (just guessing here) that they pay more to the famous and popular FAs to make sure they stay at TSR.


Hosting your own site is not that expensive. I think most smaller sims sites will get by just fine on the cheap hosting packages that give you something like 100 gigs of bandwidth a month for the cost of around $6 a month, for example.

I am talking about TSR.

Wow!$250 a month! They must be making big bucks. I know Sim Chic pays $ but I didn't know TSR does and pays so much. But is there a 'quota' of items they must fulfil within a certain frame? I mean otherwise there couldn't be 'Retired' artists right?  ???

In the offer I got, it was said that there is no minimum number of items that need to be submitted. The only thing they were concerned about was that the items I made for them would never be posted anywhere else but TSR.

That policy must vary because I see quite a few items on TSR that are avalaible on the creator's web site.

Are they featured artists? Non-FAs don't have that limitation.

It's also possible that those creators first posted those items at their own site and then TSR. In that case, they don't get paid for them, either, I believe. But every FA needs a special permission if they want to post their TSR items elsewhere later on. Windkeeper got a permission to post some of her windows at MTS2. The general rule still is you can't post them on any other sites.

Well I can only recall some of HolySimoly's item being in both place

The works I see are certainly the FA's current work on other FREE sites. But I am not making noise.

Yes, those items are not Featured Artists items :).


It may be that the items were released on the other sites first and then later TSR. The FAs do not get paid for these downlaods, I believe.

No, there was this FA (I am not saying who ...i don't want to get her into trouble). She has a set over at TSR released first as FA. Then she decided to offer it to users at MTS2. It was immensely popular.
The download was slightly different as in she changed the name of the download but the appearance of the thing is exactly the same.

If you read my earlier posts in this thread, I mentioned Windkeeper releasing some of her TSR windows at MTS2 under special permission. Unless you're talking about someone else. (I asked her about it and she said they let her upload the windows on MTS2 since the majority of her downloads are still TSR only)

Its not windkeeper. Its some one else.

Anyway their policy is ridiculous.  Most people go to TSR because it's the Walmart of sims downloads.  Everything under the sun, automatically downloaded and installed.  Easy and convenient.  So what if a couple of items finds themselves on free sites.  Imagine the work of trying to hunt down all those free items, spread over hundreds of sites.  Just finding anything on MTS2 is a hit and miss affair at the best of times.  Unless a lot of their most popular creators start having their own sites, and make all their items freely avalaible, I don't see them loosing any of their subscriber.  Heck they make a % of their own items avalaible for free.

In any case, one thing that irritates me is that lots of these content artist use inspiration, advice, tools, and meshes that were made avalaible for free, turn around and make money from them.  That strikes me as slightly unethical.

I don't really see that as unethical.  If a person wove a piece of fabric and gave it to me wouldn't it be my choice if I made it into something beautiful and sold that something?  It's basically the same thing.

Your choice, yes. But only a fool of a weaver would give you a second piece of fabric.

Indeed, and I doubt the weaver would start providing you with a constant stream of free supplies, knowing you are profiting from it.  But this isn't a good example, because it's a one on one.

I think a better example would be a group of artists, doing a series of painting, in the context of let's say a workshop, and giving their work to the participants, only to find their work has been framed and put up for sale on Ebay.

Actually, it probably is a copyright violation to take meshes (textures too) that other people have made and distributed for free and distributing them as pay items.

wouldn't they have to be copyrighted first ?

You are confusing "registering" a copyright and an actual copyright. The creation itself of an original piece of work is copyrighted. Trying to prove that it is your work - that's where the registering part comes in. But make no mistake about it - all original work is copyright protected.