More Awesome Than You!

I'm debating whether or not this Sim needs to get some plastic surgery.  I've tried making her over a few times, a few different ways, but no matter which way I slice it, she still is a wee bit scary.  :P

So, what do I do?  Do I embrace her individuality (and hope like hell her future wife - she's going to be a lesbian - has stronger genes), or do I fix her?

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/BlueSoupForYou/snapshot_90d492f3_f0f53cd3.jpg)

If it were my sim, I'd probably just give her some long hair and leave it, but if you were worried about kids, you could get into SimPe to make sure that she passes on very few traits except for the eyes - she does have very pretty eyes.

I was about to click no, (because generally I find that Sims don't need plastic surgery) but then I scrolled down and looked at the picture. There is definately something wrong with that face. I think it's the nose, personally.

Her eyes are brown (made with a default replacement), and I like them fine, but you should see her sometimes, they look like giant bugeyes!

Well, if she's going to be a lesbian, having stronger genes or not won't matter, seeing as they won't be passed on. Good approach if you think the sim is too ugly.

Did the parents have giant bugeyes?

If I decide to breed her, with or without a lesbian partner, there are hacks to allow that to happen.  ;)

And I am not revealing the parents.

It's the shape of her head that worries me. Maybe some other hair would help?

That particular haircut tends to make sims' heads look a little odd in general.

Looks like the nose to me, too. It's way too small for the face, which makes the eyes look that much bigger.

Different hairdo for sure. Also seems like a bit of extra space between her mouth and nose.

Well, this is why this is all up for debate!  When she gets home from work, I'll put her in some different hairstyles and post the pics.  As Pescado suggests, I'll also tone down the eyeliner.  Anything else to try to tone down the hideousness?  (I don't get it, her parents are not ugly at all...)

*cough*nosejob*cough*

Her eyes look a little big for her face and the nose is reminiscent of a monkey so the overall look is somewhat simeon (no pun intended)!

Okay, here's Makeover #1, I like this hair but I'm not sure about it for her (and there's bad lighting right here too, like she needed more stacked against her!)

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/BlueSoupForYou/snapshot_90d492f3_d0f54c2c.jpg)

I'm sorry, I seriously laughed out loud when I saw that. I inhaled diet Coke, and I'm coughing all over my laptop.
That's not "my" child, is it? Sim me had produced some kinda bizarre offspring (exit-without-saving babies) before I redid her yet again (version 4, which is only in my game). I just gotta ask. Is that freak-child mine?

And it seems it's the nose that is the culprit. Fix that and everything else should fall into place. I think.

LOL!  Umm...do you remember me showing you your male offspring?  Cutie patootie going to marry my offspring?

Anyway, here's makeover#2:

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/BlueSoupForYou/snapshot_90d492f3_70f54dc1.jpg)

Much better!

I can't give her any plastic surgery quite yet, as she's still a teen, but I can try to tone it down.  Can YA's use the plastic surgery machine, btw?

I tend to agree it's the nose. Too small for the face.



edit( fixed typo and spacebar problem)

Yes.

The nose appears to be too high up on the face.

Way too high, and much too small. It's teeny-tiny. "It looks like a nose, only smaller."

She looks a lot better in that last pic.  TJ has a hack that allows teens to use the plastic surgery machine, and it doesn't carry the usual risk of failure.  YA's can certainly use the machine.  They are basically adults, anyway.  They have one of those machines at one of the secret society lots, but I can't remember which one.  I put one at Sim State anyway with TJ's career reward collection.

There is an unmentionable hack that allows you to do plastic surgery on anyone, I think as young as a child, without any risk of failure.  *cough*InSim*cough*

Edit:  I don't think the nose is that small.  It's just too high up on her face.  I think that if you move it down, it will look much, much better.  It's a cute little nose, just needs to be moved down. :)  Only in the sims can you get unlimited free facelifts!

/off topic

BlueSoup, you stole my Bejesus word and spelled it wrong to boot.

*grin*

/end off topic

bejesus
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be·je·sus Pronunciation (b-jzs, -j-)

n. Slang

Used as an intensive: The bear scared the bejesus out of us.

[Alteration of by Jesus.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

I think I like the last pic too.  She's going to go to Uni in 2 days anyway, so I'm not worried about waiting the two days.  I had one Sim that had 3 of the plastic surgery machines due to various job changes, so this Sim's mother actually got one of them.  I can send her to Uni with it, and get the surgery done if the will of the people is that it is so.  ;D

And as for the other hack you mentioned, hehe, no.

And I like my "bejesus"  :P  I say it all the time IRL.

If she's still a teen, things can change a LOT at age-up. Especially with noses. The nose tends to be the feature which changes the most when transitioning out of teen, and a lot of formerly squashed facial features may straighten out.

*SNORT*

Okay, ONLY someone on this site would something do that, and within 3 minutes of my post.


Hilarious. I stand corrected, but still think "Bejeezus" better spelling.

 ;D ;D ;D

I tend to agree its the nose making things bad, but then again as was suggested by his awesomeness maybe upon aging it will right itself, then if it doesn't yes do surgery ...please!  I have a family that I created and its something I did to the mouth that they are passing on to their children and it is really bad when they kiss I truly think Ape!   and then go ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

Okay, so here she is artificially aged to adult.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/BlueSoupForYou/snapshot_90d492f3_10f55528.jpg)

Not so bad, actually.  I've seen a lot worse.

P.S.  Just in case you're wondering why the background looks so different, it's because I had quit the game, but decided to age her up, so I removed the recolours and game objects folders to make it load faster.  It's scary and a little depressing how much of a difference it made.  :-[

Yeah, she really doesn't look half bad there.  I just might change my vote.  ;)  JM was right about the teens faces making the features look a bit squashed, because her nose looks a lot more in proportion as an adult.

That hairstyle seems to suit her also, so surgery no longer seems necessary.  You may still want to watch the mouth area when she kisses you never know you may go ewwwwwwwwwwwww!   ;D

It's the nose. The nose makes me want to sing about how Billie Jean is not my lover.

Aged up, she looks quite cute in my opinion. The new hairstyle definitely suits her.

EMBRACE SIM DIVERSITY!

She looks better but......she still reminds me a little of a monkey!

This has been true in my game; there has always been an improvement in the appearance.  It's all relative of course:  in a couple of cases the progression has been from horrifyingly ugly toddlers -> disturbingly ugly children -> really ugly teens -> ugly adults. 

Once they're adults I've had to "fix" noses and chins most frequently.  In the most extreme case I have the two parents are attractive and don't have radically different facial structures, but their children -- all four of them -- have chins that look like they used them to break several falls by hitting the counter, and noses that look like the sim-stork used its beak to pull them out.  :o  There is no space between the children's lower lips and their chins, and their noses (like Cyrano's) announce their presence 15 minutes ahead of their actual arrival.

Hey, I like a sim with a nice distinguished snout.

I think she looks fine! :) You need some sort of distinguished feature so your sims don't all look the same, and also to pass on genetics.

Go with Ugly - Ugly is good.

I have had worse, the Plastic surgery doodad really messed around with my Sims face.  She cried when she saw herself. :'(
The young girl in the first post reminded me of Helena Bonham Carter (so many names) in The Planet of the Apes.  ;D I was happy to see she improved? with age, but Í'd like to see the grandma version. :o

The surgery machine randomly fails to work properly - it's the risk you take, so always save before you do anything, then you can always exit the lot without saving the results!  Otherwise, you're stuck with having to give your sim a completely new face, when all you actually wanted was to give her thinner eyebrows!

Believe it or not that is what I did.  Sometimes I amaze myself.  I took a lot of photos, but having reinstalled my game 50 billion times I lost track of where they were. 

50 Billion?  Are you quite sure?  Perhaps it was only 49,483,287,357 times?  Or perhaps it was 50,000,000,003???  Maybe it wasn't really a billion, only a million.  ;D

But just possibly a TRILLION!

No it was most definitely 50 Billion, I was counting.  I have a horrible feeling that it may go up even further, another crash when I tried to change some steps and replace the top half wall in a house I downloaded.  Maybe I'll just DELETE THE EFFFFFING HOUSE.  I just can't win.  Maybe I shoulda married a computer geek instead of a construction worker.  Hindsight, hindsight....

Now thats an odd shadow on the window behind her...

I would make her a lipstick lesbian and do her up barbie style since she has such pert features. But I would not give her plastic surgery. No mam..

She fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down; you go for that sort of thing?..LOL

I get problems that seem insoluble with some of the Maxis houses too - like the one in Veronaville with the maze!  Made some alterations, tried putting the staircase in a diffrent location, and whadderyaknow, I'm left with a big gaping hole in the floor and the info that I can't interect other objects!  Tried exiting, even rebooting, but still the house has this stupid hole in the floor!  Shame, I liked the maze!  (Had to move the summerdreams somewhere, couldn't play that stupid house!)  so they had to go somewhere else!

I rarely have problems with houses, even the Maxis ones.  This is the first one I have ever downloaded, (I don't usually do it coz I'm impatient and they take to long, too many mgs), but this one had.....wait for it, *DRUMROLL*.... a lake they could swim in, dock, ladder, the works.  I had to do it.

Maybe it also had terrain paints?  Or left-over sims?  If it was as big as you say, then it must have had something more than just Maxis stuff and a few extras!  (Even the biggest lotsegment on its own is rarely over 2MB.)

Sorry ZZ, I forgot to write that this one was only around 700KB,  its not that big a house.  Average block size.  Any way the novelty of the swim in lake wore off pretty quick, I'm more intent at the moment on destroying John Burb and his stoooopid need to breed.  How about a vascectomy hack??

I do go for that sort of thing, its called diversity. You know, where not every single sim looks so much alike that you end up with a neighborhood full of clones or "stepford wives". Sure you will have some not so pleasant looking sims, I can live with that. I will take that over a defective personality with a snotty attitude who thinks they are uber cool when really they just annoying as hell anyday....

Get the always abduct telescope from snootysims, and let him wander out for a nose after dark!  He'll never learn his lesson, and at least jennifer can carry on earning her way to permaplat!

I loved the Stepford Wives.  Maxis pretty well took care of the ugly Sim ratio when they made the game... so I'm confused, are you  talking 'bout the Sims or real life?   
 

Diversity is all very well, but noses that could be used for concorde and mouths that would swallow a jumbo-jet are a bit too diverse for my taste!

The top lip scared me,  reminds me of my neighbors.  They all look like rock apes; Mama Papa and the little kiddie rock apes.  God I wish they could read this!

Shhh!  For all you know, maybe they can!  And then watch out for kicked over trashcans!

Come on, you gotta play the game.  What joy is there in forcing everything to be exactly like you want it?

I'd play her.

Just marry her to someone with a large nose!  Maybe the kids will be ok?

There should be roughly one fingertip between the bottom of the nose and the top of the upper lip.

Well, I gotta say she looks a lot better as an adult and with that last hairstyle that I think I'll keep her like that and not do plastic surgery.  But in that first pic, whoo.  Seriously whacked with an ugly stick.

Seems I'm fairly normal then!

What I'd like to know, if her upper lip is that enormous, how big are her teeth!

If a sim is so ugly that you recoil from your computer screen every time you have to interact with them, then the game loses its fun.  I had an ugly (so, so disturbingly ugly) child that I kept in tiger face paint until she went to Uni and could be fixed with surgery.  It frustrated me because she was born looking nothing like either of her parents nor her siblings, who weren't gorgeous by any means.  Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.  In the case of BlueSoups' sim, I would lower her nose a bit and maybe make it a little larger.   

ooo really ... tries - which finger?

A  more accurate way of determining if facial features are horribly skewed or not is this - the midline of the eyes is about halfway down the head, the botton of the nose halfway between the chin and the eyes, and the midline of the lips 1/4 of the way down between the bottom of the nose and the chin. This allows for faces that have wider areas between the nose and the upper lip without doing strange things to the proportions. Please note that default Maxis proportions give the sims HUGE foreheads and thus, the midline of their eyes is further down than halfway, the the rest of it more or less holds true.

I say this because the distance between the bottom of my nose and my upper lip is quite a bit more than any of my fingers except for my thumb, which is still a little too small... because I have very slender fingers. However, I don't look like a monkey, either. ;) Besides, it's hard to tell how big that distance should be on any given sim using the finger method since their fingers are all the same... but the proportions I outlined above (which are the basis for drawing realistic faces) can be used regardless. Of course there is slight variation even there, but it's a better baseline.

i won't change a thing, even for really ugly sims. trust me, i've seen worse. alien sims are horrible! i vote for the sim diversity :D marry her to someone ugly. beautiful people goes with beautiful people in my game :D

As I said, roughly. Use your index finger, you know, the stinky one.

I think I'd tweak her a bit, out of kindness!  That's why I altered Romeo - seemed wrong to me to have a Romance sim who'd frighten off all the females in the neighbourhood, plus giving the kids nightmares!

I've also tweaked Dustin and Dirk occasionally, but never Beau or Keanu.  And the Pleasant girls always look fine with a new hairdo and decent makeup!  As for Alexander - what can you do apart from give him a complete new face?

Good lord, man, who pissed in your wheaties this morning?

Even roughly, it's one and a half the width of my index finger tip, which is too large of a margin of error to be of much use.

Isnt it meant to be the same distance as from the last joint to the end of your index finger? Im sure thats what my biology teacher told me. (Years ago- i may be wrong)

I think that makes more sense to me.  You'll probably find that works better!

In that case... my finger joint is too long.  ;D It goes from the bottom of my nose to just under the midline of my mouth. I can't win, I guess.  :D

Dang, what do you do with your townies?  Some of those YAs at Uni are so ugly I keep hoping someone comes up with a Paper Bag object to put over their heads (although I see over at MTS2 they now have surgical masks, there's a step in the right direction).  And one of my Sim families has a maid that if she got down on her hands and knees you couldn't tell if she was coming or going.  I got a couple of fairly ugly Sims too, but I just consider that to be a mark of character.

Well, get the Mind control Mirror on the lot, click onto the maid and get him/her to change his appearance with the plastic surgery table (buyable collection object) and then give him/herself a makeover in the mirror.  I did that to one male maid, and he was really pleased with his new look - I even considered finding him a girlfriend and moving him into the game!  Then I though nah!  His DNA will still be UGLY!

I haven't really decided whether playing ugly Sims distracts from my playing experience or not.

Playing ugly houses - yes, that does distract. After I got into building lots, I went back into some of the pre-built houses where I had originally added rooms rather haphazardly and found the houses too depressing - I had to move the families to nicer homes *quick*.  It's so nice for a Sim to come home to a nice home.

But I kind of like having diversity with regard to Sim looks. Akthoug I know it can be done, (and I see pics of some gorgeous, unique Sims on this site), it's somehow still difficult for me to make good-looking Sims that don't look all alike. It was only a short time ago that I realized that one really has to use Bodyshop not CAS to add much more variety to Sim features.

I've only tweaked two Sims with the Cosmetic surgeon, Komei Tellerman (to get rid of the bump off his nose and reduce the jut of his jaw) and Lilith Pleasant as an Elder. Komei doesn't look so bad with a little bit of minor tweaking and a change in hairstyle.

I think that you can have a variety of appearances even if you rework the uggos.  I'm not a snob by any means, but some combinations of genes just create a hideous, nonhuman offspring.  Whenever I makeover a sim they're almost never beautiful in the end, just more normal looking.

nectere is currently working on a paper-bag for me right now!  When she's done, I don't know if she plans to post it or not, but I'm sure with her permission I could be persuaded to share.  :)

I think it's tempting in CAS to always, after picking an initial head, to change the face, and the first face in the menu is about the most normal looking Caucasian head, so it tends to be the one we try first.  If we use other heads, we get more variety, especially if we're a bit ruthless with the other options!

I had a toddler born to my sims like that.  Such a cute couple too, but man the child was a trogglodyte.  I aged him to adult, so I could see if he would grow into his face.  He did.  But I couldn't stand the thought of seing him grow up.  So I left him as an adult and moved him out.  Afterward my sim had a passionate affair with another sim which resulted in the cutest toddler and child I have ever seen.  Obviously it's not HER genes :)

Well, where did he come from?  CAS or Maxis?

This girl I've posted is from two CAS parents.  I've decided not to do any plastic surgery on her, although I'm not sure how I'm going to handle the offspring yet.  I already know who will be her mate though, and I plan to introduce the two of them in Uni.  ;D

You do sometimes get some very funny-looking kids in CAS, but at least if you KNOW they're funny looking, you can try again!  (and again and again and again....)

I just had some fun with CAS - wanted an elder couple with an adult daughter who was actually theirs and not just me creating a reasonable resemblance.  I had to create them, then age them down to adult, remarry them, make the child (they were able to have an adult child - wierd, that, they'd all have been exactly the same age!) and then I had to age them back up to elder and marry them all over again!  But at least they got back the clothes I'd selected!  The funniest thing, though, is how difficult it's proved to try and get her friends with both parents, whereas when I simply make the kid myself, they usually end up best friends within a few sim days!

Both the parents were CAS sims, the kid was born in game.  The father was one of Hony's characters based on the bodybuilder mesh.  I should have know better than to use them.  Now that I think back, I realize that the neck and chin area was probablly adjusted to make it in propertion with the bigger shoulders of the bodybuilder mesh.  And adjusting that area always makes for ugly kids.  Hony's character will have to remain childless, as I am not risking marrying them to my sims again.  I think I'll make them gay or something.  They are too good looking to be straight anyway :D

You know, I think this Sim truly demonstrates what my mother always said.  You look prettier when you smile than when you frown.  I think all of the pictures of her are much better when she's smiling.

Well, you know what they say: Big fingers...

... Make it hard to type? If you're trying to make a point, kindly come out and say it.

Sheesh. It was a cute tip but it why are you getting your knickers in a knot over it not working for everyone, and being more or less useless for sims? If you want to get into a dick-waving contest, okay, but all I have is an e-penis. Just so you know.

I would say that it's just the gap between her nose and mouth that makes her look a lil odd.  I would use plastic surgery on her myself if she was my sim, but only make subtle changes by lifting her chin, mouth and nose slightly.

Yep, she looks rabbitty. I think I've been spending too much time on the wrong sorts of websites lately, but it made me think of those furries. Which made me wonder...has anyone made furry sims yet?

I just found some for Sims 1...perverts!

http://www.geocities.com/sim_raccoons/

I'm no one to judge anyone's sexuality or hobbies, but thanks to an episode of C.S.I. and several conversations on an old messageboard, furries crack me the hell up.  I once saw a guy at the mall wearing a hand made shirt that said "Yes, I am a Furry" and it was all I could do to not die on the spot.

Oh, and there are furry skins for Sims 2.  Just browse MTS2 awhile.

Don't get your furry undies in a bunch, nobody is making fun of you.
Note to self: Make sure to put a smiley next to my sarcastic remarks.

Because smilies totally make rude remarks polite! Haha, okaaaaay mister.

They really do, butthead. :)


See?

I have one whose nose was really high and flat - her dad's was flat from CAS and I hadn't noticed. From the side it's like a skull nose - indented inward. I gave her plastic surgery and made her a lesbian so she wouldn't breed, but regretted it later when I realized most of my Sims were born attractive, and that's boring. ;D So she and her lover had a 'magic' baby who, much to my delight, did indeed inherit The Orc Nose. Still a toddler, but I imagine it won't get any better, and now I can have orcy pictures again! (My old ones were accidentally deleted, sigh.)

Her brother got his mom's nose but it was close to his lips, and now that he's an adult it doesn't look too bad. I'll have to see if he'll spread the ugly, too.

My inbreeding experiment is turning out to be one of the most gorgeous Sims I have, so I'll have to continue this and see what happens :P I imagine it won't end up like it would in RL, though, somehow. *snort* I'm curious to see if they get closer in looks to the one shared ancestor...

I think your sim doesn't need the surgery.
In the original pic she was a cute monkey looking girl. The second pic was scary. The third just kind of plain. She looks much better as an adult. Still a little off but not very bad. She isn't so much ugly as just not pretty.
On the other hand it took me some agonizing before I let Meadow have babies with that blue haired Uni guy because of his nose so I can't be certain I wouldn't change her if she was in my game. His kids haven't grown up yet so I guess I'll find out just how accepting I am later.

DUH...That's the idea of everyone having their own computer.  They can force ( and it's their god given right) everything to be exactly like they want it.  Who plays your game?? 

I fell compelled to share with you my infortunate offspring

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f280/Angelyne22/snapshot_50e02727_d0e40600.jpg)

Is it blind?

Oh my, angelyne.  A face only a mother could love, eh?  :D

I'm a mum, and no I couldn't love that.  I have a disturbing phobia about things THAT ugly.

Yes, but you're not her mother.  I bet if it was your daughter, you'd love it.  Or drown it.  Pescado would drown it, probably.  :P

Drowning is a good - only - option. 

Nah. Clone it with SimPE, make a test neighborhood, open up the clone in CAS and make it adult, tweak, save it, extract that sim's facial data and put it over that of the toddler's.

Well, that is if one can't stand to wait until the kid is old enough for the surgery machine. That's easier, but... ... that kid is scary. It looks like it's eyes are trying to grow out on stalks.

I still live in a cave and do not have SimPE.  Therefore, drowning is the only answer.

You know...A little makeup, hair done up a little differently, soft music and a couple rounds at the juice bar....she might just find her dream sim.  :D

Just kidding BlueSoup. She doesn't look half bad as an adult, kinda grew into the eyes, and the nose somewhat.

I vote for drowning myself.   But what I actually did is grow him up and move him out of the house.  Surprisingly he looks ok as an adult, but who wants to have that growing in your house!

And here is her second child (with a different male, the father of the previous offspring is now forbiden to pass on his genes)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f280/Angelyne22/snapshot_50e02727_10e7dc7d.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f280/Angelyne22/snapshot_50e02727_50f2aa4d.jpg)


Isn't he the cutest kid?



ROLF !! I am still laughing at that comment!!

It's father is a basset hound, I think! ;D

Blue, are you sure about this girls parentage? Maybe ol' PT9 been sneaking around the house on the sly hmmm... The tiny nose, long upper lip, and big buggy eyes, well she certainly reminds me a lot of some of the half alien kids I have running around  my Strangetown.  ;)




BTW, I use christianlovs updated boutique rack for surgery/change appearance/change clothes  on townies, npcs, teens, kids too . Very Handy!!

I have some very attractive half-alien kids!  One, in particular has grown up into a stunning YA - her mother isn't very beautiful at all, she has the elf face and ENORMOUS ears (as do her father and uncles), but alien father Zen is very attractive, and she seems to have got the best of both of them.

http://forum.simfreaks.com/index.php?showtopic=4539&pid=42405&st=0&#entry42405 (http://forum.simfreaks.com/index.php?showtopic=4539&pid=42405&st=0&#entry42405)

That's dad Zen in this thread, and I think he's sweet!

That's hogwash. Look at this guy:
(http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/crapola/meanguy.jpg)(http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/crapola/meanguy2.jpg)

You think that guy should smile? It would probably break his face! Now with a magnificent SCOWL, on the other hand....

I don't even think he *CAN* smile. The one on the right has him TRYING, and instead the result is a mean-looking grimace.

Any relation, JM? ;D

I'm convinced that's his self-sim

Definitely a possibility!  (Or it could be his self-sim's offspring........)

I think it is a descendant of his Self-sim, from what I can remember.  Like great-great grandson or something.

And yes, I am totally sure of this kid's parentage.  I just can't say who they are.  ;)

Very nice! My alien descendants tend to be quite attractive or butt ugly, never any middle ground.
 And yeah, think that's most probably JM sim too.! It's the  evil shifty eyes that give it away.

That particular sim is a grandson. You can definitely see the resemblance, though. Evil shifty eyes?

As my Momma used to say, "If looks could kill...",   that sim would make a first rate assassin.  :D

That thing simply must die.

I was really trying to read this WHOLE thread but my eyes are crossing--been staring at too-small text on computer screen for something like 13 hours now!

Overall, she's really quite cute.  The space between her nose and lips reminds me of my own sim kids.  For whatever reason, out of 5 kids, my sim self really only has one that's rather nice-looking.  Of course, my kids in RL aren't gorgeous either--well, except for the 8-year-old and he's just a doll!)! LOL  At any rate, I sure wouldn't keep her from having children because of her nose and upper lip.  I personally would be more concerned about her having a child with someone who has a thinner face.  I've found that's where the horrific-looking sims come in.  I've had some that ended up with their jaws so wide they looked plum distorted.

I'm all for "Sim Diversity," but THAT is freakin' SCARY.

where are the eyes! :o

Oh wow, you guys are appalled by THAT?

I'd post a whole bunch of shots of my ugliest sims, but I'd probably crash the server.  Rest assured, though, that they're truly hideous, not like these sims you guys have posted.

Anyway, here's what one family sort of looks like:

http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/images/promos/blog_sleestak.jpg

(edited to avoid hotlinks)

I agree, the only thing wrong with that girl is that her nose is too high, (and that first hairstyle is hideous, I've never seen a sim that looked good with it)

I have some horrendously ugly Sim kids... mostly decendants of I've downloaded, those nice 'unique' features don't blend well.

I downloaded a really good Lucy Liu and though she was cute as a button, she had the ugliest toddlers/children ever... Her son hit adult about 3 seconds after hitting toddler (was hoping he'd grow into it, but he didn't) I tried breeding out the ugly gene and have a whole ugly neighbourhood of her offspring to prove it (kept growing up them up in hopes an age would suit them, if not, they were moved out)  I thought I'd managed to tone it down a bit, but re-entering that hood months later, I realize I didn't even come close.


Her son and granddaughter... I shrieked everytime this kid looked at me and eventually had to grow her up because I just wasn't sure my heart could take it.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b226/zeljka/aargh.jpg)

 You and everyone else's hearts!!! Gosh that is one very unappealing baby....Even I would probably age it up and out....or at least do the surgery.....or completely change faces!!! Something anything.....Tgdrysix  :-X :-\ :-[

At least you get variety!  My tots nearly always seem to look the same!

You know, my sims have never had ugly kids. This is probably because they're all initially based on this one sim a long time ago. But, well, they even breed well with Maxis sims, even though I made a lot of modifications. After seeing these horrifying children, I'm considering myself very, very lucky.

*is terrified*

Maybe they're changelings?

The worst thing was that her other parent was albino (hence the pink eyes) but I'd deleted the skin tone, so further generations were born with dark skin...
Though dark skin seems to reduce the horror of the odd features, that slight improvement was ruined by pink eyes and white hair. I also had a problem with female kids in the same hood not having teeth (just gums)  not sure where it came from (default rep from DMA?) but it just made a bad thing worse.

I think I'd start a new hood, and get rid of any  other skintones that have caused problems.

I'm a great proponent of playing what you get and all, but that kid scares me and I'm fearless.

Zeljka that sim toddler made me laugh out loud! :D Aww poor little thing...

Zelka you win hands down :)

That's why I learned long ago to stay away from celebrities look alike.  The minute you start modifying the facial structure in any significant way, it just doesn't blend well.  I learned that with my self sim.  Since my hubby and I are a bit plump (damn his cooking skills!), when I made us as self sims, I made our faces a bit rounder.  Yeech!  Boy the kids were ugly.  It's unfortunate but if you want to have good looking sims, you need to keep tweaking to a minimum and that makes for pretty similar sims.  Oh well, at least I personalize them with makeup, hair and clothes.

 Thank god human genes work so much better than Maxis genes, or imagine the horror.  Their blending algorithm needs work or something.  I wonder if it's better to turn it off.

I don't think that is necessarily true, at least in my experience... My sims are relatively varied and produce decent looking children. However, it took a LOT of getting used to what kind of features actually look right and blend well with other features, and it also took  minimizing the cartoony look they have (my sims are all made with faces at least two clicks shorter than default, smaller eyes, and slightly bigger noses, and I have default templates that AllenABQ made). It's all too easy to make a sim that looks fine until they start having facial expressions, and then one notices that SOMEHOW their teeth cut through their lips when they smile or something.

 With celebrity sims I notice that most of them look good at first glance, but when compared to a photograph of the real person the sim is usually an extreme caricature at best and thus makes really odd looking children. It's hard not to make them caricatures in the first place as sims ARE rather cartoony looking anyhow, and it's pretty much impossible to get things exact given the limitations of the game.

I won't disagree that the face blending engine is terrible though, and makes getting good looking simkids much much harder than it should be. I've seen it introduce things into faces that weren't there at ALL in the parents, yet for some reason the kid has something really wrong with their face - one of mine looked like he had a coathanger in his mouth, because even though his mouth wasn't too wide his cheeks bulged out there. No reason, they just bulged out a ridiculous amount so he looked like he had matching tumors or something. I'm tempted to see how bad it really is by creating a celebrity who has kids and their spouse and seeing what the sim face blending engine comes up with. Say, Ron Perlman and his wife. They both have strong features (especially Ron Perlman!) so I bet the results would be horrifying, even though their real life children are gorgeous.

I have a celebrity skin (Christina Aguilera) that I downloaded because I really thought they did a decent job with it (except the eye make-up...ugh).  I made her into a townie and now she just wanders around, making friends with my real Sims.  She'll never breed, so luckily I don't have to worry about freaky genetics since she also comes with a custom skin.

Do you think it's better to turn off face blending?

I've never tried it - been wary of it to be honest, although I don't know if it's reasonable for me to be. Hm, I think I should do another experiment with sims extracted from my current neighborhood and into a test neighborhood and making a variety of babies with face blending both on and off. I have to finish writing something tonight before I can try it, though.

Actually very very minor differences in facial proportions are very noticeable to humans and anything extreme just looks bizarre or wrong. There are specific ranges (some of which are posted on this thread I think - unless it's another thread) and those include small variations that still fall within the "normal" range. If you do figure drawing, or portraiture or the like, you learn quickly that eyes just a touch too wide (a pencil line width, say) are noticeable and much more than that and the piece seems out of proportion. The edges of eyes (for example) line up (generally, of course :) with the edges of nostrils - so that determines both how wide the nose is and where it's placed. A person whose nose goes over just a bit into the iris, rather than at the edges of the eyes, seems to have a wide nose. "Cartoony" or chariacture adds a bit more leeway, but would look wrong on a "naturalistic" figure or in real life. Humans are very perceptive about minor facial changes. A baby's face is proportioned somewhat different than an adult's also (the face is closer together and takes up less of the head, the eyes appear larger, etc.) so moving in those directions makes someone appear younger or, for example, I had drawings done of my oldest son for his grandmother's when he was small. On one, the artist didn't quite get the child-like features correct, so it didn't look much like him at first. After a couple of years, it was exactly like him.

Anyway, it's all very interesting.

I think I heard somewhere that turning off face blending causes the wierd bug that makes the baby skins map wrong sometimes - giving them the "third eye" appearance.

I've been playing with face blending off for ages and have never had that problem.

I have face blending turned off and I have never had this problem. I have Sims that range from plain to beautiful. My game tends to give me a nice variety of looks for my sims,depending who the parents are.I don't recall ever getting a down right ugly child.

I've never used face blending either, and although my sim kids tend to look very similar, they are rarely ugly!  and certainly not the stuff that horror films are made of!!!!

I just started playing a new CAS family, and the little boy is quite gorgeous, so I hope when he grows up he keeps his looks!

My kids are usually cute except when mixed with Maxis characters.  Goneril is down right scarry--not gunna breed that.  I got smart and gave Albany and her plastic surgery and they were soooo cute.  I actually liked playing them.  But I knew that they couldn't breed.  What I now do is make replacement sims for the truely hideous.  I make a suitable repacement townie with opposite coloring in CAS and use the Insiminator to make them a townie.  Then I go to ts2 enhanser and make the townie the clone for said sim and then go to their DNA in the same program and change the coloring to match the playable sim.  Because their coloring is opposite they don't look alike.  I will also do the same for children with the adoption pool.  I also use already made CAS sims as templets.  As long as you change coloring you usually can't tell that it is the same face.

Well, I've changed Albany and goneril too, though not much, but there's nothing wrong with the kids they already have.  So I presume they wren't actually created as genuine offspring!

Fantastic - how great is that?

Pretty sims - I SPIT ON PRETTY SIMS
(and kittens)

Facial blending defaults to "on."  You have to specifically turn it of via the cheat code before the baby's birth to turn it off.  I only tried it once, and the toddler had very angular features.  His features had very rough "edges" to them.  He seems to be growing into them, but they look very strange on him, as Maxoid Tom said they would.  He said blending is to soften the edges of the features until they reach adulthood, when the features won't be as severe.  So I don't think facial blending has to do with how the parents' features blend together, but rather how the features themselves blend together on a child's face.

I am not sure if the cheat code stays in effect for a particular lot until you turn it off or if it in effect for the entire game until you restart.

Can you tell us why you can't tell us? I honestly did not care who the girl's parents were/are untill you said you couldn't tell us. Now I wanna know.  :P

hehehe I think the parents are Blue and JM  ;D

Nope, it's not my kid.  This is my kid (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=2710.msg78043#msg78043).

I think she's kind of cute after you grew her up, Blue.

The facial features really DO change with age transitions.  I had a really really cute boy that was adorable as a teen, he aged up to YA and I swear, his nose EXPLODED to at least twice the size it was.  Anyone who knows how I play knows that I usually head straight for plastic surgery, but I gave him a makeover and even with the huge nose, he turned out pretty cute :D Thank the gods for custom hair!

Blue and I are going to be in-laws, soon.   ;D

You know, for all this talk about UGLY, has anyone thought to award the trophy for Worlds Ugliest Sim to.............
Vicund Curious.
He is one really scary mofo, and I would not like to run into him in an alley or dark street. :)

I still think Goopy Gilscarbo!And there's a couple of dormies whose mouths could swallow the atlantic!

Blue: I would keep ker the way she is, to add interest and realism to the game. She is plain, but not fugly like the Maxis sims.

This is actually the child of a friend of mine, married to Johnnie Depp. The kid looks like he was hit with a 2 by 4.


(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/Ellatrue/Sims/uglytot2.jpg)

Fortunately it gets a little better with age. And huge glasses. The link is to a picture of him in the only story I ever uploaded.

http://thesims2.ea.com/exchange/story_detail.php?asset_id=26944&asset_type=story&user_id=1212206

I'd call any sim that looks more simian than Ron Perlman a little more than 'plain', myself. At least it isn't so bad when she's an adult.

And that's the underlying problem with everyone else's hoods not being diverse enough.  They keep on using those BORING HUMAN SIMS when they could be having hot alien sims like us!.

Your alien seemed to be nice though.  Mine has the benefit of being grumpy and mean as hell.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/chipmc/snapshot_f0d1dd6f_d0dfad07.jpg)

I often find her walking through the house growling and hissing at things.

angelyne whose/what skins are you using?

Enayla's default skins (which Sleepycat and I made into default).  At least that's what you see on my cute boy.  Previously I was using Helaene's skins.  So that's why the skins look different in the baby and in the boy.

Omg guys! I laughed so much with this thread!  :D Its simply hilarious.
Anyway, have you guys seen this website: http://www.joodiff.com/simgen02.htm (http://www.joodiff.com/simgen02.htm) . It just seems appropiate to link to it, since we are talking about blending and genetics.
I've learned so much things about Ts2 genetics on it...maybe you already knew.

Yep--been there, done that, seen it and all that jazz.  If you use any face that looks like the original maid, Lucy, and mix it with a narrower face that's what you'll get.  It's really a shame, too, because I think Lucy's face is really cute!  I do have a sim in my SimBin that can make neat-looking kids with her.  His looks are so extremely masculine that they just sort of take over everything! LOL

I've seen sims that are scary, many of them in my own game.  Once in a while I've ended up burninating a neighborhood when things went too haywire. ;)

Okay, I can't beat that.  Have you changed the eyes to see what that kid would look like without the aggressively pink peepers?  I've noticed that some custom eye colors can really screw up the appearance of kids born in the game.  In my case, what looked good in CAS (with its closeups) hasn't always looked good ingame.

But then for one family that was constantly pooping out ugly kids with these nasty brown custom eyes, I changed the eye color with contacts and... they're still butt ugly.

Anyway, here's one of a ugly sim and his gosh darn ugly toddler.  Understand that his parents dropped 6 kids that looked like him before I learned of the firstborn effect and how to avoid it:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/cwhitney1972/snapshot_10461e0f_d0c249b0.jpg)

Not to say that it was the firstborn effect that cursed all the progeny of his two (fairly attractive) parents, as his younger brother shows:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/cwhitney1972/snapshot_ae54d9d0_10786bd1.jpg)

But here's the piece-de-resistance:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/cwhitney1972/Sleestak2.jpg)

Notice how she has a sister who looks JUST LIKE HER.

Are you considering Miranda when you make this assertion?  She was the first sim to go into the Plastic Surgery Station, and keep in mind that I don't usually do that even for my ugliest sims.

But I do agree that Ariel and Desdemona turned out nicely.  Hal didn't look bad as a teenager but as a young adult someone seems to have smushed his nose.

I paired him up with a CAS female who was really pretty, and they had 2 of the fugliest simkids I've ever seen.  Sorry no pics....

It was Ariel and Desdemona I was thinking of really.  I think I did plastic surgery on Miranda too, but there are so many in Veronaville that needed it, I've lost count.......

Funny thing is, though, I took one look at Patrizio, gave him hair and the full beard, and he looked quite acceptable - without them he looked like an elderly prize-fighter!

If they're "pooping" them  out, of course they're "butt ugly".  ;D

ROFL.  It's amazing the difference one "o" will make!

I wasn't sure if that was intentional or not, but I still thought it was funny.  :D

You really shouldn't laugh at people's typos! ;D

Er, I also noticed s/he said they had "brown" eyes also.   :o

ZZ:  If it's funny, I'm going to laugh.  It's not the same as making fun of them.  Besides, how do you know it was a typo?  ;)

I wasn't sure it was a typo. Either way, I couldn't resist.  8)

 ;DWell, considering the O and P are adjacent on the keyboard, a typo is fairly obvious to me (but then I did train as a typist once!) and yes, of course it's funny when people make typos which rather change the meaning like that! ;)

Since we're discussing ugly Sims and genetics, has anyone heard of and/or tried the Dilution Challenge?

For those who haven't: the idea is to start with the most terrifyingly ugly Sim you can possibly create, and try to breed the ugly out. Obviously an extremely optimistic challenge, since you can only use Maxis townies/NPCs/etc.

I'm afraid I gave up shortly after the second child in the second generation became a toddler (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/iclaudius/toddler.jpg) - he and his sister (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/iclaudius/childfront.jpg) (Bonus side view! (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/iclaudius/childside.jpg)) were so ugly I could hardly bear to look at them. Their mother (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/iclaudius/wife.jpg) was reasonably pretty, their father (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/iclaudius/founder.jpg) was my terrifying founder. Perhaps if facial features are bred out rapidly, I might try playing until the kids spawn their own kids...

seventhson:  Oh my, those are some scary sims!  I think I might have nightmares after seeing those!  How could you stand playing them?  On the other hand, your avatar sim is quite gorgeous.

FWIW, it was intentional.  I thought it appropriate considering that they were ugly and that it was custom brown eyes that made them so.

Not that I expect anyone to believe me ;)

That was the problem, rainbow - even opening the house to take those screenies made me cringe a bit.  :-\ Lesson for everyone: never, ever let your brothers play with the sliders in CAS.

My avatar Sim, on the other hand, is my self-Sim  ;) so I'm glad you like him. I can't have made him right if people think he's cute...

Edit: The toddler just grew up. I may never sleep again. (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/iclaudius/growups.jpg) Is that...light coming through the top of his nose...?  :o

Patrizio died in my game, and though he was raised, his wife had already married a younger townie man, so he was free to diddle.  I had no idea at first that it was going to turn out so scary.  He's got a thing for university girls, and now anytime a girl becomes an attractive teen (and yes, I know their attractiveness is merely a coincidental occurrence) she can expect a blind phone call from Patrizio wanting to become friends.

He's a dirty, dirty man.

Eh, somehow I'm not surprised by that. I mean, you'd probably be seeing things a little differently, too, if you CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD.

... I've now been scarred for life! I blame you entirely!

Nevertheless, that is THE most hilarious sim picture I've ever seen. You should make it your avatar so you can continually terrorize people without putting forth any effort.

No no no...seeing it once was bad enough!!!  :D  All I can say about him is that his mouth is not too bad. :)  I much prefer your current avatar!!!

Ack. Worst idea ever!

Poor little Sim-boy.

You do realize this means I'm going to have to put up pictures of him and his sister when they become teens, don't you?  ;D

His mouth in-game actually is not too bad. And he has a sort of normal nose, compared to his sister's. And when I zoomed in to check (because I'm playing waaaaaaay zoomed out so I can pretend they're not monsters from the dungeon dimensions)...this is why I don't zoom in. (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/iclaudius/flyby.jpg)

/me smacks seventhson

Stop that! Stop that, now!

He looks positively possessed in that picture.  You should burninate that neighborhood immediately to rid your PC of evil spirits. :D

I got him abducted and he had the absolutely ugliest alien thing.  I named her Starr...But I didn't marry him off, I couldn't do that to any Sim..

... I don't think Vicund is that bad, especially with a good haircut. His alien kid turned out pretty good for me, too - although that took a Pollination Technician replacement!

Well, I didn't let Vidcund get abducted after I saw Pascal's kid!

You are NOT serious..I tried all that.  Glasses, no glasses, different hair, no hair,  that man fell out of the ol' ugly tree and into a pile of sh*t.  Don't get it though, his bro's weren't too bad once I hit them with the magic mirror.

Don't you want to see the kids (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/iclaudius/girlteen.jpg) as teens (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/iclaudius/boyteen.jpg), especially Alia's great cannibal expression (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/iclaudius/cannibal.jpg)?  ;D

/me runs!

Well, I suppose every family has one lurking somewhere in the woodwork!  Just a pity they let Vidcund out of the asylum!

You should see my sister!   ;D

Well, as long as she doesn't see your post.....! ;D

She doesn't know about it, coz I'm more awesome than her. ;D

Probably just as well, or something awful (not awesome) might happen to you! ;D

Scary thing, but I'm the smart one!  *Rolling on floor laughing*
 It's true

Do I detect some teenage rivalry here? ???

Those...poor...things  :o I'm gonna have nightmares tonight, I know it!

33 years worth.  And many more to go. ;D
Life too short - which idiot said that!

Mortimer Goth?

Hey, it's 'till death we do part'.

But does resurrection change that? ;D  (I'm sure if Orpheus had been successful, he would have thought not!)

Look it's in the contract - you die, agreement ends.  Orpheus wasn't a lawyer.

He also wasn't a christian - maybe the ancient greeks had different beliefs (and contracts?) ;)

I think he has a certain charm to him. (as a kid, I've since seen the teen picture and he actually looks like someone I know, I think it's the mouth - hideous and the girl is positively frightening!)

While I do have a tendency to mostly add attractive Sims to my game, every now and then, I accidentally create one in CAS that's so hideous I can't help but add them. They don't scare me so much as make me giggle every time I see them. Seeing those tired Maxis animations as expressed by a creature unlike the average Sim can be a refreshing change.

Faceblend accidents scare me more, perhaps it's the element of surprise. usually those stupid eyelashes protruding from the wrong place or alien sized blue eyes that scare me...

I am still not over my phobia about ugly sims.  Especially now that I am all set up with hacks and armed with knowledge.  Everytime I see an ugly Maxis generated sim, I perform surgery on him/her, put on some nice clothes, adjust makeup.  Then in SimPE, I change modify their facial structure so that they pass on their new appearance to their sim kid.  (I don't want to forget and end up with nasty suprises down the road).  I also just recently started changing their skin to a custom skin and eyes.  I will probably never have to create a custom townie again, because I can take whatever is avalaible and make it decent looking.


Maybe eventually I'll get tired of pretty sims and want to have more variety. 

naaaaaah!

I believe I have actually just cackled evilly. An actual "muahahahahah!" came out of my mouth upon viewing those pictures. I really love the cannibal one.

Here here....I totally have to agree with you on that one....in fact the cannibal one would make an excellent avatar....wish I "knew" how to....lol...Tgdrysix

Might be fun for those of you that like Ugly sims to create your own Uglyville!  (No nice-looking sims allowed!)

The challenge would be to see which of you could produce the largest brood of ugly children in one sim lifetime (no using the debugger, no exiting without saving if you get a pretty baby, no using the surgery table to uglify them!)  How about it?

Winner gets a free makeover for their self sim to be as ugly as it's possible for them to become without changing their face, just tweaking!

Oh, my! This is one entertaining thread.  I love the pictures of strange-looking sims.  I get bored with pretty ones.  ;D

That cannibal face was absolutely terrifying! I almost screamed!

How about one of those 60's Vidal Sasson hairstyles which covered one half of the face completely?

Almost?