More Awesome Than You!

And you can find it here (http://thesims2.ea.com/update/).

Pescado is reading it now, and will post about possible conflicts, I guess.

Ha.

Thanks, BlueSoup. I probably wouldn't have found out about this until after OFB if you hadn't posted.

They still haven't fixed the things that drive me crazy, such as the extra (lower-level) graduation memory the YA's get when they move back to the neighbourhood.  I get so sick of having to leave the game everytime I move them in to get rid of those stupid memories.  Drives me mad when they wander around daydreaming about their Cum Laude when they actually got a Summa.  Why haven't they fixed this?

Anyway, I may not install this patch until I try this out, because I had no idea this bug existed and it sounds most intriguing: Young Adult Male Sims can no longer get pregnant and give birth by using the Electro Dance Sphere.  So who is the father of these babies?  I am simply going to have to find out ...

Oh boy..............

I read the descriptions for the patch, and I picked out at least a handfull of hacks that would explode the game. Even if I took the hacks out, the game would blow up anyway.  :-X

It looks like they've fixed some of the issues JMP has patches for.

But they've claimed to fix the monday morning madness before.

*is highly amused*

Let us know if you have any success with that!

Ancient Sim:  They can apparently be abducted by aliens while using the ElectroDance Sphere if they have been abducted before.  So I am assuming the "father" would be the Pollination Technician.  However, YA's can't normally give birth in college, so I guess they are fixing it.  This seems like a rather obscure bug though compared to some of the others.

I don't know whether to be happy about this patch or not.  I have just about gotten my game working the way I like it again after NL broke all my hacks, and now OFB is on the way.  This NL patch will probably break a lot more hacks, so all the modders have to start over and read through the code again and specify which hacks will work with which patch and so on and so forth.  :-\

"Fixed an issue where Sims were randomly getting stuck playing poker indefinitely".

Hopefully this will work because this issue has been driving me nucking futs!!!

I'm rather reluctant to install it too - it doesn't seem to address any issues that my hacks folder doesn't!  (And my hacks folder is smaller!)

There are a lot of things sims keep doing until you stop them, why should poker be any different?

I was thinking the same thing. I just got my game running smoothly and here comes another patch. I would do a little investigating myself, but after seeing the code for juggling (which was a mess), I havent done it in a while.

That juggling one is the main thing keeping me from patching until the word is out here one what's really fixed. I don't want to remove CrammyBoy's fix just to find out Maxis still didn't get it right.

Im downloading it, but on my second computer (the old one). Hopefully, it doesnt make my game fall over and die. Just want to see things myself.

I just saw this on the Sims 2 RSS newsfeed:

Here are some interesting things I noticed after skimming the list:

• Fixed an issue where Custom Terrain paint was being uploaded with packaged lots and spread to other users' machine unintentionally.

Wonder if this will really work?

• Fixed a rare issue where when a Sim was juggling would cause random objects to be deleted.

Can you say, "Crammyboy?"

• Cowplants will no longer have their faces squished after eating Nightlife's NPC\'s.

Oh my, this is too funny.  I have to see this!

• The Mad Scientist career track will no longer have a conflicting message about missing a day of work and having the day off.

About dang time!  But what about the other day-off Monday careers we identified?

• Pollination Technician 9 family tree is now showing all correct branches.

Huh??

• Flaming Bags of Poo should not be delivered indefinitely after a bad date.

LOL, it's the gift that keeps on giving!  ;D[/list]

I'm going to wait until Pescado gives the go-ahead, seeing as I have the MATY package.  I just thought I'd post for those who should know.

I'm interested in what they say about the terrains:


So, what I get from this is not that core issue with terrain paints is fixed, but that it should no longer package the first terrain in the package automatically just because you opened the terrain section.  Anyone out there with terrains care to check to see if this is the case?

What about other gift-spam that people have reported?

And honestly, however bad the date, would a sim go to all that trouble with bags of poo?  They make enough fuss taking them from the potty to the toilet!

I am waiting as well.  I don't have time tonight to be a beta tester for Maxis NL patch. ;D

I'm thinking it's about wording with that...I already knew there was an issue similar to the kicky bags with flaming bags of poo.

Also, ZZ, if a date is *really* bad, I'm going to be dropping off cat poo at his house for at least a week!  ;D

They're probably bought, not made...

(and that gives me an idea for an OFB store).

"The Mad Scientist career track will no longer have a conflicting message about missing a day of work and having the day off."

Seeing how this was suppose to be fixed before, I can already tell you they might be lying again.

I will be waiting as well to see what JM, Two Jeffs and Crammyboy say actually is a fix and how it will affect the hacks I have and what is, as JM would say, "Maxian Propaganda". 

I saw this in the list of things that patch "fixes." What's a family reunion and how can I have one? (I mean in the game.)

But you're not a sim!  And when you empty the litter tray, you have to put it somewhere - outside his house is probably just as good as in your dustbin!

Family Reunion memories are what family sims get every time a member of their family is invited over (or turns up uninvited) and there's been an FFS hack for this for ages!

Probably patched or otherwise addressed:
-antigypsywalkby
-cellphonefix
-mondayfix
-noreunionmemory

and cboy's portal deletion fix v2.

Vampirefixes is most likely still needed since I didn't see anything about the other bugs in the changelog.

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A family reunion is a party where a lot of family members visit. In an unmodded, unpatched game this results in page after page of "had a family reunion" in memories.

Doesn't have to be a party - I had one family YA keep getting them every time her father came calling - and they never had any parties in their house.

Oh, so that's why I don't know what a family reunion is. I've had almost all of the FFS hacks for ages. Hmm... maybe I should play without hacks for awhile to experience the full extent of the annoyingness tha I've been missing out on...naaaah.

I always got them after parties, before installing JM's fix.  Sometimes Family sims will roll up a want to have a Family Reunion, but it is not satisfiable with with the fix in place, because they never receive a memory.  But the description for the Want said that to have a Family Reunion, your sim should have a party where at least 10 sims in attendance are directly related to your sim.

wishy-washy:  I can just about guarantee that you will not last long, once you have experienced the Awesomeness!!  :D

*giggles



gotta love their typos

Mars Crumplebottom?  Must be her husband..........

Or possibly, her home planet........

Just goes to show you can't believe everything Maxis says!  And I've never had parties that big!

from the looks of it Uni got a new patch also, I wish they would date these patchs instead of just replacing them ::)

I remember reading some of those things before, Sleepycat.  I don't think that's a new patch.

Also, I know everyone is ragging on Maxis right now, but I have to say I'm happy they released a patch without endless screaming about it for months and months by us.  I know, most of us are set for bug-fixes because Pescado, Crammyboy, Twojeffs and others make them, but I'd still like Maxis to take responsibility for them, and they are being a lot better about Nightlife than they were for Uni.

Uni and vanilla patches appear not to have been updated. Can't find anything on the BBS for those patches either.

I am very surprised with this patch. I didn't expect one until after OFB...

Wish they'd fix the nannies properly....... :'(

Same here.

Well, I think they must have realised that the first one was issued too soon to tell what glitches would show up!

And maybe Maxoid tom was REALLY listening?

Ok, just to be sure then, this:


is not actually fixed, correct?

I don't remember it being in the first Uni patch but then it was a long time ago when I read it and I recall that the piano really doesn't seem to be fun at all no matter if it's brand spanking new or been owned for a good long while without JM's piano fix.

I think it was supposed to be fixed, as I no longer have the pianofix in my downloads folder, but I've noticed that sometimes there is no fun - but not for every sim who plays it!  Wierd!

                          -Christopher Moore, Practical Demonkeeping

Do you think sim employees will be able to turn down the job as too distasteful to perform?

The piano bug was claimed fixed, but a screening of the actual code revealed that nothing had actually been changed. The matter was thus considered "unresolved" despite claims in the patch notes.

Let's see if it actually got fixed THIS time.

We shall see.........

Explains everything - I hadn't had many pianos in my game recently, more guitars and such, until playing a Victorian Veronaville, where guitars are a bit out of place!  Funny thing is, though, none of my sims have wanted a piano in this game, and it's usually the first want before the other instruments!  But I rather think Veronaville is very screwed up anyway!

odd, I saved the bug fix list for the previous NL patch (also saved the Uni list so I would have a complete bug fix list) that I downloaded and those were not on either.

I'm also happy they released this patch for the same reasons

They fixed the inventory bug with multi tile objects, so now I can finally use the basted thing....

but they didn't fix the incredibly simple errors with the vampire skin... textures are mapped wrong because of their typos!

That would be the bug Shaklin found?
Hmmm... could've sworn Maxis said they fixed it with patch 1. Glad I never took Shaklin's fix out.

I don't remember all of them, but I do remember these specific things:

* Improved the cleanup of kicky bags (automatically cleans up any invisible kicky bags on lots)
* Usability of custom content management has been improved by retaining the most recent page of content after deleting an object, wall, or floor.
* Fixed a rare issue that in various situations caused a pregnant Sim experiencing morning sickness to die. (aka Sudden Pregnancy Death Syndrome)
* The player will no longer receive text notification messages that deceased Sims "are no longer friends. "

Plus, if they added a Uni patch, they probably would have mentioned it, seeing as it was screamed for long enough.   ;)

Hmm...I think I'm going to wait for further opinions before I download for now at least

heh, figured it out Blue, my old list was cut off in the middle of a word  ::)

well you can certainly tell that
1, I have a bad memory
2, I don't use high chairs much for my toddlers

Really?  I never have that problem anymore and I did remove the pianofix.

Oddness.

No that particular one is still not fixed (it's worth noting that Shaklin's fix simply uses the adult female texture instead); there are at least 3 problems with the vampire textures (2 are texture mapping errors due to typos and/or stupidity the last one is the teen female texture being a mix between male and female teen; put the male teen texture on top of the teen female texture using a new project in BodyShop and adjust the transparancy and you'll get something similar to what they did) and 1 Maxis shortcut that makes it look crappy (elders have white teeth but yellow fangs).

I'm installing the patch right now and I'll report any issues here if I come across them. The only hack I'm removing is the noreunionmemoryfix. I'll see if my game turns into a BFBVFS with everything else left in.

I've also noticed that the majority of my pianos work OK since removing the pianofix mod, but sometimes for no reason the odd one will stop providing fun.  This happened in the Goth house today.  It worked fine for the adults, but not the kids.  Talking of instruments, I thought they'd fixed the problem where a Sim would get stuck playing an instrument if someone stopped playing another one while they were 'joining', but maybe I imagined it because it still happens regularly in my game.

I'm wondering what they mean. Hopefully it also means we could delete custom terrain paints from a packaged file without corrupting it irretrievably.

I'm not willing to guinea pig this patch though, I'm playing sims for the first time in weeks and enjoying the opportunity, I'll wait for the hack conflicts reports first.

Hi Mike, if you're MikeInside! :) I'm hoping the blue boy is a clue-by-four.

Well they fixed the one bug that had been bugging me - the inability to influence non-playables to drink Vamprocillin-D. My sims had their want slots clogged up with "Cure so-and-so" when that so-and-so was a college dormie and previously uninfluencable. It now works as it should.

Hang all those things in the patch, all I want is a fix for the freaking made and her obsession with the fishtank.  ???

Well, the original Sims2 patch fixed that in my game.  And the problem with constantly washing up the same coffee cup.

Looks like they have fixed the inventory issue too :) I'm a gonna wait until Pescado tells us what we dont need anymore.

[edit] Oh yay! They fixed the Crumplebottom thing too!

Right I'm going to go read it properly now....

Well, it bloody didn't in mine.  She will still spend hours washing the thing (I'm sure that sponge isn't good for the fish) unless I remember to whip the thing away and hide it from her.

The one I like is:

Sims will no longer get a memory of making out with themselves in the hot tub under certain conditions.

That has always disturbed me.

Masturbation in the Sims!  Jack Thompson would have a fit!!!! ;D

A Jack Thompson Sim doing the masturbation might render him comatose then.   ;D

LOL!  (and ROFL!) ;D

Any takers on making the "Jack Thompson sim?...  Just picture him browsing through MTS2 and finding himself, and learning that it comes with the masturbation aspiration.  That cracks me up.  Maybe the artist could email him just to let him know.
*HA HA HA HA HA HA...... cough... cough... splutter..*

Could move him in with Pescado!  ;D

JM has created a new board, The Scrapyard, found here:  http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?board=17.0

The description says:  Obsolete, unsupported stuff rendered unnecessary by patches.

So far, there are three hacks in there:

No NPC Spam - Experimental Barista Fix
Cellphone Fix
Monday Morning Madness Fix *CRITICAL* *NL p1*

I haven't needed the nonpcspam fix since the original NL patch.

Would there be any need for the masturbation aspiration then?  *Bats eyelashes innocently*

Maybe more so!

NNNOOOOOO...There's a yucky picture in my head, make it go away!!

Have you tried 2Jeff's aquarium fix?  http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=2881.0 (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=2881.0)

...or did you just want Maxis to fix it?  :P

There is a Jack Thompson sim over at MTS2.  I made family of eight of them, killed them off and made one into a zombie who now lurks around my community lots.  Well, after I had made him a cross dresser and poor (he's a fortune sim).  Works for me.  I really must put that story up somewhere again.

http://forums.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=99217

You could give him the gnome and the dartboard from TSZ and he could take pot shots at himself too!

All the fixes in this patch will also be in the Open For Business expansion, which I intend to get sometime after it is released. 

I'll let all of you figure out what hacks are not needed, then I will have less to worry about when OFB comes out.  :D

That's standing on the fence a bit, isn't it?  I shall just wait for Pescado to finish deciding what's obsolete, but I shan't let othr people take ultimate responsibility for my game - I'll put the patch in as soon as I know what to delete from my hacks folders.

Why go through all the hassle? 

OFB will be out in a matter of weeks.

There will be additional incompatibilities with OFB beyond the patch contents.

As an end user of the mods, why would I want to go through figuring out what is and is not compatible twice in a matter of a couple months when I can do it just once?

Yes, but you forget that Pescado will not be getting OFB for 6-8 weeks after the release, and that's if he gets it at all. 

Also, I heard that the terrains issues were completely fixed with it, although I haven't tested this myself.  I will try it in a clean game tonight to see if that's the case, but Twain was able to package a lot with deleted terrains, so hopefully they have fixed it.  ;D

And not everyone will be getting OFB, so they will bo doubt be glad the patch has been updated!

If the increase in PC stats is similar to what happened with each EP so far, then a lot of people won't be able to afford it - it's not just the cost of the pack itself, but the cost of upgrading in order to play it!... And you can't run multiple versions of the game like you could with sims1, where you could have different combinations of EPs stored on a second hard drive which you could load as long as all the registry entries were in the registry.  So installing the EP may mean for some people they will have to do without either Uni or NL and have a complete reinstall.

Eep, do you really think so? I was rather planning on waiting for OFB as well. I'm not sure some of the hacks I like are going to be upgraded for OFB at all and I expect it to change a lot, nevermind fixing them for a patch just a few weeks before. I don't want to lose them now and my game is running well at the moment, so I thought I'd just wait until I knew I was going to have to remove them anyway, in March. When OFB comes out, with features I actually want, I'll take out all the hacks and play with it. As, and more importantly if, hacks are updated, I'll put them back (there's several I'll miss badly <sniff>).

I missed it if Pescado has decided for sure if he's willing to update patches for OFB (6-8 weeks away or not). Is there any chance simPE is going to be fixed in the next couple of weeks?

I was teasing, not really serious!

I don't know if he's decided for sure or not.  Torkle is working on a fix for SimPE as far as I know, and I think the only limitation he has to do that is his time, not ability or anything like that.

Is this fix for SimPE in order to make it compatible with OFB?

It's a fix because apparently the new interface is buggy or something and when Pescado tried to use it, it kept crashing on him.  He'd make the change and then before he could save it, it would crash.

Oh, I rarely use the new interface, I seem to have more success with the classic version, and although I've downloaded the latest update I haven't got around to trying it yet.  I've had no trouble with the version I'm using, though.  It's never crashed on me whether in classic or the new interface.  Of course, now I know that SimPE is liable to crash, no doubt it will happen!

I use both the Classic version and the other one, but I've not had it crash on me either. Of course, I'm not using it as much as he no doubt is.

That's probably it, maybe after a while it becomes unstable.

One thing I have found, though, is to be careful that one version has completely finished closing down before trying to load the other, or your PC just locks up!

Did not know about that fix, thanks for pointing it out.

I just had a fresh install a couple of days ago and haven't really played yet.  So I'll install this patch when I get home and see how it goes.

Since I installed the patch (yes I like to try things out) it seems to me that the maid take the trash out, and as far as I can recall the maid did not do that before. And I like it very much...
The stupid "completed first year of university" is now replaced by the more logical "did not go to university" (and it made my sim cry for hours !!). Next thing I will have a family reunion and see what happens to mys sims' memories.

Nio, they did NOT take out the trash before, hooray! *cheers*

Is the "did not go to university" memory from dropping out?

It's supposed to be for teens that transition directly to adulthood without going to University.

So what is the "Was Uneducated" memory in SimPE for?  I assumed that was for teens who never went to Uni. 

The "maxmotives" cheat will no longer interfere with the availability of sleep related interactions involving beds, coffins, and sofas.

So sims that are already in bed will stay in the bed?

Electro Dance Spheres can now be used at all skill levels properly

...wha?

Dorm Cooks will no longer duplicate on previously played lots after installing Nightlife.

Pfft.  I've had them duplicate on newly played lots...

The Mad Scientist career track will no longer have a conflicting message about missing a day of work and having the day off.

But what about the other careers I know I've seen this happen too?

Moving lots with University Graduates into the Sim Bin and back into the neighborhood will no longer cause all of the diplomas to belong to one Sim, instead the will belong to their original owners.

But it'll still FUBAR your game all to hell.

Pollination Technician 9 family tree is now showing all correct branches.

Now this is kind of confusing.  The only thing screwed up with his tree is that the Singles sisters and the Curious brothers don't recognize each other as siblings.

Many multi-tile objects can now be placed against walls after being placed into a Sims inventory and then the Sim changes lots.

Notice that they said "Many", not "All".

Addressed an issue where using the eyedropper tool allowed players to place objects on a lot beyond the amount of money they currently have.

Gee, thanks...

Computers are no longer able to be placed in a Sims inventory if the computers are turned on.

Gee, thanks again...   ::)

The NPC Gypsy Matchmaker will only come by to initially greet new Sims in a neighborhood once per neighborhood instead of every new lot created.

Meaning that they'll still come by.  I'll keep my anti-gypsy walkby thank you very much.

This has happened to me twice.  The first time, I didn't notice it, but the second time I saw it happen and thought "OOH! I wasn't going to let him use that thing!"

If a male teen has been abducted (satisfying the ET Reparations Grant want) then he can be abducted again at any time when he uses the EDS.  The first time it happened to one of my sims, I didn't realize that it was the EDS that caused it until I posted here.  The second time it happened, I used the Insim to check and see if he was pregnant when he got back and, sure enough, he was, with Pollination Technician as the father.  So I used Insim to suspend the pregnancy until he graduated.  As soon as he got back to the hood, he popped out at the 25 hour mark.  He hasn't given birth yet.  The first one was born at Uni and had to be teleported back to the hood after her dad graduated.  She just graduated Uni herself.

But THIS:

Many multi-tile objects can now be placed against walls after being placed into a Sims inventory and then the Sim changes lots.

This was one I reported to the BBS because MaxoidTom asked me to after reading one of my posts.  I really hope that's fixed!  When my Uni grads get back to the hood, I have them move into a small house, then, when they've gotten enough money to move up, I move them into a house with a garage so they can get a car.  I've gotten really tired of having to replace beds, dressers and couches every time, and sometimes any musical instruments and career rewards they have.  So I hope it really does fix that!

And as for the computer being turned on when placed in inventory -  I've had some computers display nothing but a blue flashing screen after being moved, so I assume that this addresses a problem there.

An unrequested patch?  Why the generosity Maxis?  Oh wait, you want us to buy OFB immediately don't you?  I don't think so, a little patch doesn't change the fact that it'll take 6-8 weeks for Pescado to make it playable, if he even gets it all.  I can't deal with your little annoyances such as cheering, useless calls, and What's Thising.  I also can't buy the game if it'll leave me unprotected against those "too many interations" errors that you still didn't fix.

Anyway, I won't be downloading the patch just yet.  Maybe when it's evaluated a little more by the hackers I'll install it, nothing on that list is anything that isn't already fixed by them.

I'm playing the sims in french, so I don't know the words in english exactly. I will look at some of my sims that went to university and drop out and the only one that has been expelled. I think that drop out doesn't have a memory associated, but I can be wrong.

AncientSim : I think the issue with the wrong graduation memory comes from notelepathy : I started to notice these memories after installing notelepathy. Removing it from my downloads stops new "wrong memories" to appear. So I don't think it's a bug from Maxis (for once).

Pioupiou

I've been wondering about this. Thanks for mentioning it! I installed the base game and Uni on a 2nd hard drive, but couldn't with NL. So yeah, I'll have to upgrade my computer before I'll even be able to install OFB. Wonderful. I guess I'll have to check out the patches. I haven't installed any of them.

May I ask why Pescado waits 6-8 weeks to get Eps? Does he live in a cave or something?

Sorta.  He allegedly lives in a bunker, and that's how long his oh-so-secretive FedEx guy takes to deliver it.  ;)

He probably lives at Area-51.............

For some reason, im tempted to install the patch, risking the fact that it certainly WILL explode.

Can't u read..?  Mr Paper did not say it takes him 6 - 8 weeks to get the game but rather to get it READY.  Where do you think all these improvements come from.  GOD?     LOL

Not exactly..................

We all know he lives in a bunker somewhere, and he has Secret FedEx workers delivering him mail in the middle of nowhere.  :P

FedEx is working for pure evil.  ;D :P

Nah...it doesn't take him long to check his work and see what needs to be checked out.  There's also Doctor Boris that takes a look at stuff, not to mention that he has 6-8 weeks to read observations and listen to comments and/or complaints and/or bugs that the rest of us experience.

Thanks for the clarification! (And sorry. I have no sense of humor, ask anyone ;)

Thanks also Blue Soup and everyone for the info on SimPE and on the patch itself.

And Hi! Mike :)

Hey sagana

I just installed the patch and now im scared. Oh Lord, what have I done!

<laugh> You should be ok. Deep breathing exercises and a sense of humor will see you through ;)

And maybe the hope of non-broken terrain paints?

Nope, a hidden bunker in Montana...

I grew up in Montana, and I can tell you that ol' Teddy K. (Kazinski...Kasynsky...whatever) isn't the only one with tunnels in his basement.

Im about to run the game, wish me luck. Wish me more than luck...................pray for me.  :P

I'm not religious; I don't pray, God is a expression of exasperation for me.  But good luck... ;D  May the forces be with you.

It's the tunnels in the attic rather than those in the basement I find intriguing.

Good Luck! "Euphrosyne the Joyous, Lead your way to laughter."

Sheez, why all the hate on Maxis? They release an unexpected patch that fixes many of the things gone wrong and people are griping even before trying it out?

I played for a few hours last night and had no problems so far, no conflicts with the hacks I do have installed.

While Pescado's hacks are assuredly most awesome, I will be the first on the bandwagon to get OFB, whether it becomes awesomized or not. I love the idea of the EP.

You'll be second on the bandwagon coz I neeeeeed it mummy. ;D ;D

The patch may indeed be wonderful and I will be quite happy about it. I'm happy to wait until Pescado looks it over to see what fixes are now obsolete, and what could conflict with other bits of awesomeness. I truly appreciate the patch but I'm a careful gamer. Don't like it when my 'puter goes splodie, it's not a pretty sight! :o

I don't particularly hate Maxis and I'm glad they're fixing a few problems.  I just don't like the fact that they did this unannounced and only a week or two before OFB.  Sounds like some kind of ploy to get people to buy it.  It's weird, I noticed quite a few people be instantly interested in OFB just because it has "split-levels" and different shaped roofs.

I luuurrve Maxis.  They gave us the game didn't they!?  As for split levels - Billy crack corn and I don't care.

Face it if Maxis can't fix the other 100 or so bugs that plague the game THAT MODDERS HAVE MANAGED TO FIX they don't deserve an award.  I'm still not too sure on the expansion if i should get it straight away or wait until it's been patched up by J.M.

Time is the fire in which we burn.  I'll do my best.

Bugs schmugs.  I'm gettin' the game and thats it.

Tell me if the fridge combusts and the garbage disposal starts chasing your sims will ya?

LOL... If I can stop laughing for long enough I will do that.

That would be f****ng funny but.

If that happens you must post screen shots. I'm in need of a good laugh.

Thou shall have thine wish Cabelle...

Nice line, do you permit line-theft?

Thanks very much for all your hard work. I wasn't meaning to be impatient, just wondering if there was still a chance JM would play :)

Damn straight. I remember I was having a conversation about those damn nonbelievers who can't see why anyone would live an underground bunker and thus found the concept completely unbelievable, but then one person said to me, "oh, I'm from Montana, we call you normal.". What a coincidence...

Well, I for one have been too spoiled by all the awesome hacks and fixes for problems in the game to be able to give them up, no matter how awesome OFB may be.  I was more interested in NL anyway, and I didn't install it on my main game until I was sure that most of the hacks I needed would work with it or were going to be updated.  If JM doesn't get OFB, I don't think I could play it unless someone else steps up to the plate and updates his mods to work with it.  I am just now getting to the point where I have NL working like I want it.  I would like to actually play for a while before I start through the whole mess again.

Rainbow we think alike.. Anyway the whole concept of OFB do not attract me one bit.

Before I would even consider buying it I will wait for other to test it for me and give reports on how "you cannot live without that one" and that mostly "it is bug free" which will not happen considering the past expansions of Maxis... ALL were buggy.  Now let's wait for hacks before we buy it shall we.

All the Maxis games without Awesome fixes become unplayable pretty quickly.   But the thought of playing without the Kitten Killer scares me even more.   ::)

There are no kittens in the Sims 2.  So the newsbox is erroneous.  :P

Rainbow, I think the sooner Jase sorts out his website the better, otherwise JM might just explode.  ;D

That would not be a pretty sight, no sir!

Anyone else having problems installing the patch? I keep getting "Error during update installation. You may need to uninstall & reinstall The Sims 2 Nightlife".

I've uninstalled & reinstalled nightlife but I'm still getting the message when I try to install the patch.  I'm tempted just to leave it and hope it gets included in Open For Business.

I have NEVER installed one of these patches.  But I think I will wait for OFB as well and see what the hoards of happy simmers here are doing, and see whether it's worth it or not.

No, I had no problems.

I'm not surprised they have released a patch, I don't think there will be one included with OFB. I think they will just update individual patches for the expansions. It might be a bit too complicated to include a patch which can tell what expansions have been previously installed.

Vilia..that's strange.  Especially if you have uninstalled and reinstalled :(  Did you just reinstall NL, not the base game?  Could it be something with the objects.package being corrupted?  I'm not sure how the object.package being related to both the EPs and the base game..rather there are different ones or not....


I installed it and everything is working well...minus my one issue with Inteen  that I wanted to inform people of that JM did not like ;)  That was actually to inform people of what I experienced rather than  to request support for it.  So if you're playing with the kitten killer and the patch and run into that problem, in my game at least it is just cosmetic.  I am taking it that Jase is still updating the mod from the looks of his site.  It will be a sad day if I ever have to play w/o my precious kitten killer.

I have to admit though that I am a bit surprised that JM seems offended by kitten killing, heck I figured he kicked them for fun!

I think Pescado has a soft spot for little bitty kitty-wittys.......right JM? :P

@ Emma - You're probably right about the patches but I rather hope you're not.  I'm getting a little frustrated at the moment as installing patches is supposed to be such an easy thing to do.

I did sweep by the BBS but no one else seems to be having problems so maybe it is just me.  Right after I posted, the forums went down but I'll check by again later.

@ skandelouslala - I just reinstalled nightlife and the game runs ok without the patch so I don't think the objects.package can be corrupt.

btw don't feel too down about posting about your issue with the patch - we got to see how much JM loves kittens :).  I'm starting to think that he doesn't live in a bunker all by himself but has a cat or two with him ;D

Oh yes, JM loves cats.  He's said before that he has a dog and a cat.  I forget what the dog's name is, but the cat is named Cat.  There is another thread around here where we discussed what he would name another cat if someone gave him one.  The thread where he mentions his dog was a while back, I think during a discussion about Macrotastics not telling sims to make beds when you send a sim to clean, and he said beds are not dirty when they are unmade.  He was talking about the dog getting in the bed, and I asked him what kind it was.  It's been a while, but I'm sure it's still around.  I'm too lazy to look right now though. ;)

Maybe Cat2, The Spare or Cat Cat? :P  One of my friends had a kitten that was a little naughty so she named him Layby.

Ok, here is where the discussion began:  http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=2875.msg84029#msg84029
That post was in reference to what Gwill said two posts above about sending JM flowers in appreciation of his hard work and stuff.  The conversation continues from there.  Just read in between the political posts. ;)

When my sister took on our mother's cat when mum died, she renamed her as she didn't like her name, and since she already had a cat, she called her Cattoo.

@ Rainbow - Ta for the link, I've never ventured forth into RetardoLand before.  If I don't return within a few days, send out a search party ok?

@ ZephrZodiac - noice cat name.  I called one of my cats Indy, because she purrs like an indy car lol.

I always think that, if you let them, cats basically choose their own names!  Keep on trying different ones, and the cat will suddenly respond to one - and that's it!  (they can also tell you which tin/packet of catfood they want today!)

LOL, ok.  I never used to, but it can be fun sometimes, if you watch your step! :)  (Don't feed the trolls!!!)  Surprisingly, there have being some rather intelligent conversations there lately amongst the rubbish.  Derailing topics is common and  also quite fun. ;)

I played for a couple of hours last night with the patch and with all hacks in place (including one or two JM has said are obsolete) and nothing blew up and everything worked fine :)

Jen

Good to know it works, but I see you are playing it safe and hedging your bets!

Update: 6th time lucky.  I tried downloading the patch one last time before I head off to bed and it downloaded properly and installed properly  ::)

LOL

Also I forgot to pull them out before starting the game, but believe me I'll be keeping them handing when I do just in case I need them again!

Can't say I blame you!  They're probably better written than the patch anyway!  (Mainly, I think, because the modders actually listen when people tell them about any snags they've come up against, and immediately do something bout it.  While Maxis take months and months.......)

I'm going to try it again because it might have been a glitch.  I have the noroadpillows installed, and I tried having a pillow fight in a bedroom last night with the patch, and it kept dropping immediately out of the queue. So there may be an issue with that hack. I'll try it again later.

vilia

You probably need to swicth your graphics rules.sgr file back to the original file. You probably modified it to allow more party visitors & the installer is looking for the original.

I actually hadn't modded that file as I prefer to only have about 2 guests at each party - helps get up to Roof Raiser level quicker.  6th time I downloaded the patch it worked so no idea what was causing the problem.  [shrugs] I just hope it was worth the effort  :)

There is only ONE new patch right - for NL!!!!  So everyone without NL who has these bugs in their Uni or base game CAN'T install it.  Same as last time and it really ticks me off!  Please can someone point out to Maxis that most of these bugs and those in the previous patch were not actually related to gameplay and objects in the EPs but to the base game and they should do a complete set of patches every time.   

I'm not the only one playing base game only - I do meet others occasionally especially newbies, who are particularly vulnerable.   Anyone buying the game new now really needs the maxis patch, plus all the old hacks that JM isn't supporting any more.  Otherwise their game will be fubarred before they ever get an EP.  That's bad customer handling apart from bloody annoying.   I also know people who uninstalled NL and went back to Uni only - they can't use this patch either. 

Two specific questions:
1.  If you uninstalled NL, Is there any point re-installing it, patching and then uninstalling NL again?  Will terrain paints still be partly fixed for example and the Uni graduation bugs?

2. When I get OFB - will my base game get patched with everything in the UNI/NL patches? juggling, Headmaster bug, cancelling readme etc etc etc

I've taken a gamble and installed the patch.   I have the 3 core games (no Holiday).  As I have a UK version of the game I only had to load the patch onto disk 2 - I don't know if it's the same for others.  It installed first time.  I'm going to try it out now.  I've already removed stuff listed in The Scrapyard.  I do use most of the MATY mods from both the Firing Range and The Armoury, Inteem, Insim, Monique's computer, Quaxi's mod, Crammyboy' s bits, Twojeffs' Casual Romance and Triplets and Quads,  The Rewards package, The Toddler fix, The Mechanical skilling FIY TV mod,  Numenor's NoJittersAfterExpresso and  a couple of custom careers, so I'll flag up anything unusual, should it happen.   Of course, as you can see,  I don't believe in using hacks or mods because they kill all sorts of animals - not just kittens. 

Installed the patch, now my sims jump to the mail box in default stand position anytime I leave them with no commands. Strangely, plumbob is completely dissapearing for a couple sim minutes each time it happens...

reminds me of SimCity 4. Everytime the modders figured something out, Maxis -fixed it- and totally ruined screwed up everything.

I went ahead and installed the patch, and the only wierd thing I've had happen is that every house with a toddler in it has someone holding the toddler.  And if they were palying with the wabbit, the wabbit sounds are still playing and the toddler has that action in his/her queue.  The wierdest one was a mom that was asleep in bed, her toddler in her arms, and the toddler holding the wabbit.  When I woke up the mom, she stood by the bed holding the toddler and the wabbit was going through her body AND the toddler's.  But when I had her set the toddler down, everything went back to normal.

Kind of like NPC's thinking they are part of the family if they were on a lot when I installed the patch for the base game.

I had something similar happen. The "camera" was in the garage near the drum set when I saved the last time, and when the lot loaded after installing the patch the "sound" animations were coming off the drums (no audio though). It went for a few seconds and then stopped.

I was expecting the energy bar to be virtually full, but there was absolutely no difference in my sims! I am starting to wonder if I actually installed the patch!

Well, if it's midnight on your lot, be thankful, at least they'll all go to bed and sleep till morning!

I did extensive testing on the terrains issue tonight....

And it appears to be completely fixed!  Even on lots that were previously corrupted.

Wow Blue..thanks for the update!  That's great news :)

Yep, I corrupted the lot every which way I could think of pre-patch.  Then I installed the patch, and tried every which way to get it to crash and it wouldn't.

I also packaged the lot after going into the terrain tool and painting the entire lot with a Maxis terrain, with custom terrains enabled, and the only thing that packaged was the lotsegmentforupload.  The only thing I haven't tried yet is packaging the lot with a custom terrain painted, to see how many terrains come with it, but that'll be next.

I'm confident it's fixed.  :)

Edit:  And it only packages the terrains you actually use.

Well, my game is less than awesome.  It's crashed 3 times with an audio sound error (among many others).  After the first crash I took out possible duplicate fixes after checking the Uni and Nightlife patch updates lists.  It crashed at 11am.  I figured maybe its one of the NPCs.  So I took out any fixes/mods that could be linked and fired the gardener.  It still crashed around 11am.  So I went into debug mode and it kept listing audio sound errors.  I took out JM's folder, set all the graphics and audio settings to low.  It managed to run until 3pm (the return of the schoolkids).  Then it crashed.  I'm using TJ's school dialogue, but I don't believe that's what's causing the crashes.  The music/audio jams as if its a stuck record and that's what's triggering the crash.

I must confess that I'm using an unstable lot anyway: I've been using Doc Doofus' mod so there are 19 sims on the lot.  I guess it's too much for the Patch to handle - but it ran smoothly before this Patch with the MATY mods (and all of the others) in place.  This looks like a System Restore jobbie because I don't have the time to beta test Maxian patches.  

Sandilou, do you have a vanilla game?  If so, you could try that and see if the patch is working as it's suppose to, then go back to your original game and try making a new lot and a family of maybe 3 or 4 sims to see if that runs OK.  If that all works fine, but your large family keeps crashing, maybe it's time some of the members moved on?

FWIW, I have updated and removed the hacks I listed. No apparent conflicts.

Report back some more Sandilou if you can.  My set up is very similar to yours and I was just about to use the Dr Doofus hack because I want to move a student back to the family home and it's full.

Ditto Jordi-I removed the hacks you listed too :D No problems, and is it my imagination...or does the game load and run faster? It used to take up to 5 mins to load up, and I timed it yesterday and it took just over 3. My game in play seems more smooth too.

I'm going to test out the inventory thing soon too, I need to move out my sim couple who have just had a new baby. I am going to put everything in there I can, and move them from downtown to my main n'hood.

Pity they can't put the baby in the inventory!  then they could get settle into the new house, deal with the visitors etc. before having to change and feed etc!

Well by the time the baby is fed,cuddled and put to bed, the welcome wagon comes over...so it isn't too bad :)

The music/audio getting stuck may only be a symptom of the problem, not the cause.  Those audio erros are common in everyone's game.  JM and TJ both said they don't mean anything.  Have you tried running the game in debug mode and seeing if you get an error log?  It could be that the lot is too full for your computer to handle, but then that doesn't make sense because it handled it prior to the patch, so I am not sure what they could have changed.  Perhaps you could try lowering your video settings.  I know you said you didn't have time to test this out though, which I totally understand.  But if you haven't already restored your system, maybe you could try the debug mode just to see if it spits out any kind of error log for us to look at.

Oh dear....just blew up my game. Completely.  I've reduced loading time to 0.2 seconds...as in CRASH!!!!
When I loaded the game the first time - it got to the neighbourhood screen but crashed when trying to load the neighbourhood.
OK....so I went to my vanilla account and loaded the game there - only it crashed withini 8 seconds of loading.
So I decided to take out the FIY Channel - as that has changes to the Program File EA Folder, which had made global changes to the game.
The game crashed in record time.  Now it won't even load at all. 

Thanks for the tips, ZZ and Emma.  The debug errors listed included doubles of recolours which I think referred to Echos farming foods.  On that lot, the stereo, the tv and the DJ's box were all on at the same time.  It might just have been too much for my sound card.  The lot slows down with the arrival and departure of vehicles.  I have no recoloured/mod vehicles, so its just specific to my pc, I think.

Maxon, I had a trojan on my pc account the day before yesterday, which I got rid of.  That could have done some damage prior to this install.  Others here have downloaded the patch without any problems.

I don't have much luck with Maxian patches anyway.  My TS2 game on its own worked perfectly until they patched it.  Multiple NPCs and stuck vehicles marked the beginning of the end of that era of game playing.  Then there was Uni (God!)...and the long wait for that Patch.  Nightlife's built in Patch worked far better.  Guess I'll have to wait for OFB, which I had planned on buying anyway.  I can't play the game without my hacks and mods.  The games on their own seem like pie pastry without the filling. 

Have you scanned your registry to be sure the trojan didn't damage any of your registry entries?

What was the trojan anyway

You mean post patch I can sling ALL my custom terrain paints into the recycle bin if I want?  without causing a BFBVFS?  if so, that's fantastic!

I installed the patch 2 days ago after I previously removed JM obsolete fix + crammyboy juggling portal fix.

My game runs well so far.

I didn't actually delete the terrains that I had downloaded, I only disabled them.  When I looked in the terrain catalogue, they weren't there, so I imagine it works the same way.  But I didn't test that specifically.

If someone wants to test it, be my guest, or I can do it when I get home from work later.  I still have the test game loaded.

Things I've noticed after installing the patch:

Voice to Animation is still screwed up when there is more than one sim talking.

If a uni student starts to Go To Class and I cancel the action, the At Class icon remains on their thumbnail until I allow them to go to class and return again.

A very strange drag walk ...looks like it's happening where that strange stuck in motion animation would have before, now though they drag themselves through the animation in slow motion.

"Jumping" to another action. Example: I had one sim eating dinner at the kitchen table. She finished and decided to play some chess. Stood up, pushed in the chair and then warped to the chess table where she was already pulling out the chair to sit down.

Didn't have much time to play last night but will today and will probably come back with more findings.

I deleted on purpose all the downloaded terrains, to see if the game will explode. Nothing happened - the game runs smoothly as always.

But, I don't recommend others to do that - they can do it at their own risk...:).

Yes, Gali, but did you try to package the lots that had terrains?

Ah - ok.  I'm sorry to hear about the Trojan grief.  I think I'm going to try patching the game now.

I'm going out now and may be some time....

The Trojan was trojan-downloader-toolbarbiz.  Spysweeper seemed to remove it.

The spyware was MSMSGS which came with an MSN toolbar update.   It updates everytime you log on and attaches itself to your start up menu.  I removed it from Regedit/currentuser/windows/run  (or thereabouts).  Spysweeper picked it up and deleted it, and I did a disk clean up to remove any bits held in temp. file.

Subsequent sweeps with Spysweeper have been clean.  Norton didn't pick up any of it.  It usually does, so I was surprised.  I guess I'd better update Norton.

I don't update  MSN because this is a known issue.  Each time I've had spyware, it's been attached to an MSN update.  This time, I got caught out with a #select all# option when adding to favourites, so it slipped through.

Well, if it's getting in that way! - I guess we'd all better watch out!  And they have the nerve to offer anti-spyware software!  (Probably all a trick, they install the spyware, then when you download the anti-spy, it finds them!  I know I tried it, it found a few the first time, but after that Yahoo beat it every time!

But I would suggest that if you have a registry cleaner, you use it just to make sure the damn things didn't damage anything important!

Bluesoup, thank you. This has been one of the biggest nuisances of the game for me. We tried telling Maxoid Tom and he never responded on the board to that issue, I wasn't hopeful we'd get a fix anytime soon.

I think this issue is so important, I've quoted all just to bring it to people's attention again.

This will add enormously to the stability of the game for all those players that exchange houses, particularly on the bbs. There must have been such a mess...

And lastly, I will be able to download lots again. :) Although I think I'll wait for OFB rather than install the patch. Cheers Bluesoup for doing that testing.

Oh I know, I'm extremely happy about this as well...it was probably my biggest pet peeve and I didn't even have custom terrains! (anymore)

I'm looking forward to being able to download lots again, I've been really limited in that, and even lots I thought were safe turned out to have a couple of terrains.   They hit the recycle bin faster than you could say recycle bin, lol.

I'm still going to test the deleted terrains later this afternoon, and I'll post my results.

Okay, sorry for the double-posting, but I wanted to be sure of the thread being bumped for those interested in the terrain testing results.

I've deleted all the custom terrains from my test game with the Clean Installer, then loaded the game and saw the lot that I had previously painted with one of the terrain paints.  In the neighbourhood view, the terrain is still visible.  I packaged the lot to file with no problems whatsoever.  After I packaged the lot, I entered the lot and the ground was default grass, as it should be.

TERRAINS ARE FIXED!

ZZ I don't have a registry cleaner.  One of my brothers works in IT.  He has alleged that MSN used to flag up a particular piece of spyware (a cookie counter), however MSN couldn't get rid of it, so they struck a deal with the firm and no longer flag it up, but use it as part of their own intelligence gathering systems.  He's a Firefox user, and uses Yahoo rather than MSN.  I'd have to ring him to find out the name of that particular spyware.

You can download trial versions of registry cleaners.  they won't actually clean up your files, (well a token few, perhaps) but they will at least scan your registry and you can see what is corrupted. I use both PCDocPro and Registry Mechanic.  I think of the two, Registry Mechanic is more thorough, but just having a trial costs nothing, although PCDocPro is very persistent with email attempts to persuade you to buy.

Thanks, ZZ.

Or you can use the (old) free Regcleaner. http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/index.html#RegCleaner

I don't see the aditional value in the new version (payware jv16 powertools).

Thanks, Jordi.  I'm off to try it, and the Registry First Aid as well. 

On a separate note, I figured out that my game is probably messed up anyway, because I haven't been able to use EA's Management Tool for months.  It crashes while loading.  I thought it was because I had too many downloads and it just cardiac'd and collapsed from the sheer effort of scanning them all, but upon reflection, it's more likely that I've got corrupt files somewhere.

I'm sorely tempted to do a manual uninstall, but that would mean losing Matyville, unless I decide to save it on CD.  I'm still not convinced that EA have fixed the remote control car.  They were supposed to have done it with the Uni patch, but people were still getting blank icons.  I so want to test this out.

Two days ago I installed NLp2 and it works fine for me.  I even kept in all the MATY hacks that were in the package that day, and I believe that included the obselete ones.  I don't think it resetted anything like it did on NLp1, but I'm thinking about Nuking my neighborhood anyway because I removed an eye that affects about 40% of my playable sims.  They'll probably end up going to default or something like that if I don't nuke it.

I wouldn't doubt them including NLp2 in OFB, heck it's been a practice since TS1 to include patches and install them even if you didn't need them (You got the Deluxe patch if you installed Superstar even if you didn't have that expansion).  Most of their "fixes" back then actually came from the patch, in Superstar they didn't even attempt to fix anything and the things they claimed to fix were already fixed by TS1:Up1.  I believe that since the cores were divided that if you don't have the expansion it won't install the patch for it, but If you've got Nightlife it'll install NLp2 and install Unip2 for University.  It'll install TS2p3(Is this correct?) no matter what though.

When you install a new expansion pack, it will automatically check your game and see if it is up-to-date.  If it's not, then the patch will be applied.  It will actually contact the EA server and see if there are any patches that need to be installed.  It did this when I installed Uni and NL, because I had trouble installing Uni with the first patch.  I uninstalled and reinstalled TS2 only, then when I installed Uni, it applied the patch.  I didn't have the problem when I installed NL, but it said it was checking for updates.

Sandilou:  You shouldn't lose Matyville if you uninstall TS2.  As long as you save your neighborhood folder to another location on your hard drive, it will be safe, and you can copy it back over after you've reinstalled.  I think the installer asks if you want to keep your saved games, but I'd back it up somewhere just to be safe.  Also, you'll want to save your Downloads and Saved Sims folders somewhere else as well.

YESSSS!

Woo Hoo!!!

Thankyou Blue for testing that out for us! ;D

I installed the patch yesterday, first unsetting "read-only" on all the objects.package files, and removing my hacks folder to desktop.  The installation was trouble-free, and I moved the hacks folder back into the game.

So far I've logged about 3 hours of game play on three different lots, and no problems.  I haven't tried to package a lot yet as I will have to build new:  all the others (occupied or unoccupied) use a Maxis terrain which was applied before the patch.

I did use the Registry tool - there was no obvious damage, although I did chuck out a few dodgy looking folders with % in their titles.  I didn't use the First Aid tool, because it tried to access the internet and my Norton Security flagged it as high risk; I've been there before where I've ignored Norton and subsequently got spyware.

I couldn't resist the urge to purge;  I did an uninstall on each game, then deleted the EA folders manually.  I must say, it felt good. 8)  I did save my EA folders from each user account with my favourite hoods, including Matyville. Later on today I'll reinstall the games and the new Patch.  Then I'll run EA's Management Tool to see if that works properly now.  After that I'll try and run my old EA folders and see what happens.   But I still think that my Program File/EA/TS2/Uni/Nightlife was damaged, rather than there being a problem with the Patch.  The Patch seems to be working fine for others with all their Maty mods in place.

Yeah, I'm willing to bet that was the case.  I'm looking forward to hearing how your game runs with the new install.

I don't think folders with % in them are necessarily bad.  Sometimes system files use that to signify a type of variable to the operating system or a spaceholder in a filename or web address.  So just be careful when you delete stuff, and always have a backup!  :)

I tend not to delete anything that belongs in Windows folders - too nervous, I guess!

Sandilou, once you've reinstalled everything, including the patch, make sure you change all the objects.package files to read only.

The patch seems to have reintroduced the uni final exam bug that was previously fixed.  Talking with a couple of people on the maxis and other forums I'm not the only one having issues.

I posted details about the new improved final exam bug Here (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=2985.0)

Always the same with Maxis, isn't it!  One step forward, two steps back!  (Or maybe the other way around.) :(

I am glad that the terrain paints seem to be fixed, but I am still holding off on installing it for reasons such as this.

Me too!  I'm just managing to restore some hoods i thought were goners, and I'm very reluctant to have them go belly-up again!

I was too quick in noting this patch did not cause any problems: since installing it dining is impossible (I get a jump bug shortly after my Sims sit down).
Initial suspect is twojeffs' "No Autonomous Napping.package" -- the error is in tree 'EP2 - Interaction - Nap Nested - TEST'. Please let me know if you also experience this bug since installing the patch.

I was holding off too... but apparently, it doesn't matter since I can't even download the darned thing ::)

So... I guess I'll be waiting indefinately. In the meantime, I'll have to see what other bugs, new or remixed and remastered :P pop up (again). And any other possibly odd conflicts such as the one jordi mentions. Shouldn't patches fix things, not break 'em?

Ste

They should-but we're talking Maxis here.... ::)

Ah, the kitten-killing mod has the same global tree. And is also affected... *sigh*. Time to track down jase. The inTeen is too complex for me to fix.

Oh, stop slamming Maxis. They're not responsible for compatibility with non-Maxis mods. Sure it would be /nice/ if they could make sure that all mods would never break on updates, but they don't have to.

Crap

I can understand that they aren't responsible for ensuring compatibility with exisitng mods, but patches should not break things they fixed by their own patches a few months ago.

as i am not too attached to the game as such, and am quite happy to reinstall if need be i downloaded the patch and moved my download folder back in
not noticed a glitch with the inteen as yet, nor any other hack (and i have a fair few er...ok maybe a lot)  except....
the only thing i may have noticed a problem with is the DMA teleporter...... i used it to remove visitors and they zapped off fine as ever. but the sim left eating a meal flew out of her chair to stand a few feet away and her plate appeared to give off a spark (i kid you not)
i've not replicated it so far but will report back if it becomes obvious that there is a problem

ZZ, I did a back up copy of my registry, just in case, but I use Norton GoBack.  It works for the lessawesome like myself who like doing silly things to their pcs, then wonder why they won't work.  I've just reinstalled the games.  The Patch has been done automatically.  I've taken your advice and have made my objects.package file read only (in the Program File).  I'm now going to launch the games... (drumroll)...I plan to add a new mod each Sim day, until I've got them all back in.  Once I've done that, I'll put back in my old folders, so no Matyville Tabloid for a while yet. Thanks for your help.  :)

*shudders at list*

Meh, I won't be installing, I've worked to hard to get my hacks in a nice little order and I won't let some Maxian failure kick them out of line.

*shakes fist at no one, but obviously meant at Maxis*

I think my game is safest in the custody of the Awesome Guard.

I have TJ's no napping hack also and have had no problems with dining, Jordi. Something else causeing the jumping maybe?
Thinking of hacks that affect eating I also have "noeatcrap"  and the "antifoodnapping" and CrammyBoy's com lot serve one. No problems there.

So far the only problems I have run into are the ones I already posted.

The piano does indeed seem to be fixed but I haven't tested it extensively and all houses that currently have a piano in them are new.

I did note the social motive for dancing solo is still broke - not that they mentioned fixing it but sometimes they surprise you.. Syberspunk's fix for that stays in.

Haven't hit the final exam bug but then I never got it when it was originally found to be a problem either.

Yeah, twojeffs' hack is probably innocent. Meant to get back on that. I think I found a genuine Maxis bug: if Sims are dining kiddie-corner style (on a three-seater not across from eachother but one to the side) and you toast, apparently a random Sim on the lot is chosen instead of the toastee. This then causes errors, and causes a jump. I can reproduce this in a nearly-clean game (only the criticals from here in my downloads) most of the times while dining on 'Speedy's Bowling Lanes'.
Big thanks to jase for helping me track this down.

I am still reinstalling (forgot to backup my downloads when uninstalling... the NL uninstaller doesn't warn before deleting :() but when done I'll retest.

I'm surprised you should say that, as I did uninstall/reinstall NL when I had problems with some of my sims getting a jump bug (since worked out what caused it!) and I'm sure I  remember the screen appearing and informing me that uninstalling would remove everything from the game folder.

Maybe I hit enter or OK as the message popped up :(

Maxis claims with this Patch: Wants for specific electronic devices no longer roll in after a Sim owns that electronic device.

The Sim in my game has repeatedly rolled a want for a cell phone four times, even though she owns one.  She bought it without satisfying a want, so maybe that's why the want keeps rolling.

So far all seems fine.  I've added back the basics (Monique's computer and call to homework, Twojeffs Triplets and Quads - (no births yet), Quaxi's nocensor package, CBoy's bits, Macrotastics, Inteem, Insim. LizzLove's waterbed.  I've got a couple of Inge's mods in, but I haven't had to use them yet.  I haven't added Doc Doofus' No Family Size Limit yet. 

Have you checked her inventory to see if the cell phone is there?

Please excuse the bump and the rant - can anyone answer either question?

1: Almost certainly not.
2: Probably. Depends on when the did a code lift from NL. I suspect the fixes will make it in, but maybe we'll get an OFB patch shortly after release. Don't ask about future products!

yesterday I finally got around to installing the patch but I just moved my hacks folder to the desktop, installed patch, moved my hacks folder back into my Downloads folder, restarted my computer and then played for awhile...

I didn't have any problems but I was just setting up a new hood and getting the 1st sim (telescope guy, named him "Will Smackyou") settled in.

thanks Jordi - so anyone who has University but not NL, still has no fix for the various Uni problems fixed in this patch like graduation... never mind terrain paints.  Having to buy NL just to get the terrain paint fix would really suck!  Let's hope it's included in OFB which people who don't like Uni and NL do seem to want to buy.   I'd assumed from the timing that the patch was released now because it was going into OFB.  I just don't understand how the EPs and patches bolt onto the basic program.  I guess I buy OFB and then mail the help people and ask them.   

From what I can tell each EP basically stands alone, mostly: if you install University or Nightlife the base executable is not updated, but it is overridden with the new EP executable. All datafiles (such as objects.package) are then loaded EP first, with a fallback to the original in the case of no updates.
You could probably patch first the base game, then install EP1 and patch that, and then install EP2 and patch that to make sure you have *all* fixes (although from the looks of it the EP2 patcher does patch some EP1 and base content so it's not really necessary), but as the content is not actually shared downwards EP2 updates won't really make it into EP1 or base.

ZZ,  if only it were that simple!  First of all she had all 3 electronic items, then it showed double of each, then none at all. 
I thought maybe one of my mods is overiding the Patch.  Then for the first time in months, the Headmaster arrived and left immediately - something that this new Patch professes to have fixed. 

Busy body me, decided my game must not have installed the patch properly when it checked for updates during the reinstallation.  So I installed the Patch over the Patch - and my game would not even load!  Oh dear....

~Anyhew...Norton GoBack is a wonderful product! ;D

Yep, electronics is still broke.  Bought one each (handheld, MP3, cell phone) as the Pleasant pain-in-the-rear teens got the wants and Angie ended up with two of everything and Lilith rerolled wanting one again.

Also noticed that the after work hug that I have a mod for seems to work but causes a jump like a reset.

Last but not least I have lost the option to end dates and just have to wait on the timer to expire  >:(.  Not sure which one is causing that but I did decide to try out a few new ones from Christianluv that I would think are unrelated but we'll see.

Hmm, wonder if I'll finally get it all sorted out just in time for OFB  :-\

You know reading all this, that maybe the new patch broke this and that... I don't think I want to install it.  I'm thinking I'll wait until March and then when I get the new one then I'll break my game.  'Till then I like things just the way they are, thank-you-very-much. :D

Me too: I'm waiting. Why use the patch now and have to work out which hacks work/which don't? I'll wait...maybe till the NEXT Ep after OFB....

Since, apart from the terrain paints issue, Maxis seems intent on only correcting what the modders have already corrected, unless you have a particular need for the terrain paints to be fixed, I honestly can't see the point in installing the patch either!

Well it seems that we all agree on something!

Unfortunately, I had a problem with swapping my games back after doing all the terrains testing, so I had no choice but to leave the patch in.  Nothing seems to be broken yet, but then again, I haven't played all that much since.

Well, that's a shame - you do all that work to help everyone, and then your game is (possibly, but hopefully not) in a mess!

Even if they aren't as fast, I'm glad Maxis made the patch. I don't really expect them to do these things all at once, since they are always on a timeline to develop the next expansion pack. I am really glad they fixed the terrain paint issues as well. A lot of people on this forum (azure gazpacho!) were really asking for it.

Well that's true.  I do like that they fixed the terrain paint thing, but now Blue's game is funky!  And after just trying to be helpful.  That's so not what the patch is supposed to do! :)

Well, to be fair, my game is not funky.  At least, not yet.  And if my game turns into a Big Fiery Ball Visible From Space, well then, I have to reinstall.  Not like I've never done that before.  ::)

I do it to help the masses, and if I had to do it all over again, I'd do the same thing.  :)

Good for you ;D

Well, an update on not being able to end my dates - went to Veronaville this time and it seems that it is not necessarily "end the date" but a random menu option gets taken over by "spawn" - "memory manager x 10 or so" (last time it was the slow dance option).  If I chose one of those (spawn- memory manager) each memory manager had a different social attached to it that went in my sims queue (mostly date socials that I could see like all those "ask about...").

At any rate the only thing I can think of that changes that social menu that I have is macrotastics so I am gonna try to disable it and see if either the patch or that easy bed I downloaded from Christianluv is causing some kind of conflict.

Grrr, maybe I should just reinstall and skip the patch and wait till OFB gives me grief.

I installed a vanilla game with all EPs, then the patch. I had one evening playing so far - with all hacks and mods - no problems so far.

I haven't done any terrain paint testing yet.

Funny, I haven't seen Spawn Memory Manager since I first installed Uni!

Well, it is not Macrotastics (whew) and I am tired of messing around with it for awhile so I think I will disable every mod except my must-haves from Pescado, twojeffs, Inge , Monique's comp, and, and... oh hell.  Back to the drawing board...  It took awhile to wean myself off Insim - don't think I can take anymore withdrawals.

Hmm, I did dl a few lots from sims2 (cause my houses are AWFUL).  Wonder if I got something unknown there.  Come to think of it, I think I saw some pink empty packages in the clean installer... 

Next stop is looking for a teen pregnancy mod if I can find one (I know, just playing with fire and whining every time I get burned  :D).  I will find a way to destroy Angie "priss" Pleasant's life yet though  ::)

I get the feeling you, like me, prefer Lilith!  I've killed Angela twice so far, once by drowning, once accidentally when she was making crepes suzettes and I forgot to install a fire alarm!

So what's the verdict for the patch?

To patch or not to patch...That is the question...

Maybe we need another poll.  Ha Ha. ;D

Patch. There's probably some new bugs (final exam and an odd toast error with dining) but it fixes more than it breaks.

Well, it's one thing if it breaks a non-Maxis hack, but another when it breaks its own original coding!

  I always wait to see if I have to patch before blindly just putting it in my game.    I don't know if I am just lucky, but I don't seem to have developed a lot of the bugs that other people are complaining about.    I figure if it isn't broken I don't need to fix it.     I have added the critical fixes from MATY though.    Most of the patches that come out seem to add their own problems.    With the terrain paint problem being fixed in the patch, if you are uploading lots it would be a good idea to patch your game.    For me, I will wait until I need to. 

Well, it's kind of like trying to decide between trading your old car for another used car.  You know what problems your car has, but you don't know what new and different problems the newer car may have.  I am used to these bugs.  Do I want to give up the bugs I am used to dealing with to try dealing with new, unknown bugs?  Not right now I don't.

Well, after I deleted all downloads except from here, simlogical and Monique's computer I don't have any problems with the patch.  Electronics are still broke but then they have never worked right anyway.  I haven't sent anyone to college yet though but then again I never had a final exam bug before so...

I dunno.  If I actually kept my neighborhoods I may not load it but since I reload the 'hoods whenever I get bored I don't mind if something blows up.  Becomes a bit of a challenge  :D

And YES ZephyrZodiac - I HATE Angela Pleasant ever since she and Lil lived in Alex Goth's frat house one iteration and she was such a snot!  She always hunted Lil down and beat her up even when I had Lilith max her body skill.  I think Maxis cheated for her (I know they did genetically anyways).  But, what comes around goes around - Lil slept with every boyfriend Angie ever had during and after college so she would at least have a good reason to get beat up. 

I'd say Patch too. I've run the game in a fresh neighbourhood.  I haven't put back in my old hoods yet because I'm still working out what I need to remove. I've added back in a long list of JM's fixes and they're working fine.  All other mods listed previously above are compatible on the whole.  I tried a date on a residential lot with Insim and Inteem in place and did not see anything similar to Sintrinity.  I have a clean, custom content but hack loaded game and it's all good!  I've used Doc Doofus' mod with 9 in the test household and that seems fine as well.  With Inteem a pregnant teen gave birth on teen Day 17 - and was able to go to Uni after - the delayed day feature worked fine.  A birth at Uni went smoothly and the baby is aging correctly.  Monique's computer features are all working okay.  Ste's hacks are all working.  I'd say save your old hoods and then patch.  The game is loading superfast, so I also think that they've ironed out less obvious bugs ready for OFB.

The main annoyance for me with the NLPatch II is the electronic wants being more broken than ever.  JM has declared the cellphone fix obsolete, but I think it's still needed. 

One thing I noticed tonight was in moving a household to a new house.  I only use two versions of the same house in this hood, one a smaller, starter home and the other a bigger version with a garage.  I didn't have anything that didn't place like it was supposed to.  All beds, dressers, career rewards, sofas, etc., I could place against the wall just like I had them in the old house without needing to use moveobject. 

This is the first time since NL that I was able to do that, and I have moved quite a few families from copies of the small house to copies of the big house.  The only thing that changes when I place one of these lots is the color - which usually includes changing fences, foliage, etc.

I also had sent three YA's to Uni the other day and played their whole first year without any final exam bug.  And I had this bug big time when I first got Uni, so I got the fix and used it until the first patch came out.  I haven't needed to put it back in, although one time - before installing NLP2 - I had a YA who was going to be unceremoniously returned to the home hood.  Left the lot without saving, then went back in and had her go to a community lot one time.  She then got through her exam fine.

I know it probably sounds wierd, but one thing I always do is send my new YA's to the boutique to buy clothes.  This one I didn't, as there were already plenty of clothes already at the dorm.  This was the only thing I could see that I had done differently with this particular sim.  And it seems that when I had the bug before, I was playing Pleasantview, and the students affected were all on residential lots instead of in dorms.  With them, if I didn't save and moved them to another lot, they went through just fine.  But before I tried that, I had one student who "missed" three exams!  And skipped semesters, too.  She was on the same lot as her twin brother, who both started Uni together, but was a year and a half ahead of him!

Oh dear. Installed the patch and have two brand new problems cropping up:

1/ The beloved JUMP BUG! Didn't have it before.

2/ All NL have been erased from Bodyshop.

Any idea on how to fix this?

Maxis SUCKS, way to go to make me want to buy OFB fast, ugh what a bunch of useless people.

You can get the jump bug due to a problem with invisible attraction markers.  This has nothing to do with the patch, it just happens.  If your sim jumps and can't use the loo. bath or shower, then that's the cause.  You need to use SimPE to find the memory in Neighbourhood memory for that sim, delete it and also the corresponding memory of the sim they were attracted to (check for the LBs in game to find out which sim it might be).

Haven't a clue about the Bodyshop problem, though.

You're not supposed to want to buy it fast. You're supposed to want to buy it in 6-8 weeks when it's slightly cheaper and I have the game.

i have been getting the jump bug with the DMA teleporter, reported in an earlier post

no idea either about the Bodyshop problem though as mine seems fine....so far

Sounds like Torkle is making enough headway on his project to allow Pescado to buy the game.  YAY!!! ;D

Thats what i got from his post too! Now i just have to wait till i can afford the game to buy it.

Looks like the terrain paint fix may have caused another problem, or something in the patch has. I've heard of folks without the patch having problems with lots built on a system with the patch. I'm guessing whatever changes were needed to fix the terrain paint packaging problem affected the packaging process enough that it's not compatible with down-level sytems. Makes sense, I guess, but it still sucks *sigh*

Oh, I forgot to say, the inventory system works now! You can put stuff next to walls and everything! I even put a car and the plants and stuff in there to check it all out-and it is fine :)

So we still need to watch out when we download houses!  and if we make our own on a post-patch system, we should remember to include that information!

Yes, that is good to know-thanks jen :)

I'm not sure if this was addressed before, but it seems the Ask... option no longer causes crushes. I had it happen with the first patch, but now it seems it's gone. Can someone confirm this or I just missed something and this was fixed before?

I am pretty sure that was fixed in the first NL patch.

Yay, new patch! I only found out about this like, 3 days ago.......

This patch apparently fixes the stuck-playing-poker-forever bug. Well, it did'nt work for me.  :( 
Stupid sims just sit at the tables and twitch forever, until I notice them, and by then, theyre usually starving, or bursting for the loo....... They do usually get to play poker for a while though, then the eternal twitching sets in.

Well, if one of the sims serves a meal and Calls Family or Calls Everyone, that should stop them playing - even if they end up having "accidents"!

Thanks for the tip. I'll try that next time it happens!  ;)

I know they did something regarding the diplomas in the patch, but IT HASN'T WORKED.  Well, it may well have done what it was supposed to do, but it's done something else, at least in my game.  All my Sims are graduating with no diploma whatsoever.  They just ain't getting one.  Luckily I have various methods of obtaining them, but that's hardly the point!  They fix one thing, break another ... it's getting rather annoying now.

thanks a lot for that - I think I even understand it! and it even makes sort of sense.  Basically you have to buy every EP as it comes out to get your game to work "as intended"!  better for sales of course..  If you skip an EP,  you have to live without the later fixes for what you do have until you buy a new EP.   

If the latest fix does actually patch some EP1 and base content, I immediately wonder if Maxis could update the base and EP1 patches with at least those fixes...   Now all I have to do is find a way to ask Maxis to do it!.....
thanks again Jordi..

Same in my game, AncientSim.

I am so sick of Maxis spoon-feeding us fixes we need, but when we install them, the game goes KABOOM.

Well, maybe a word in JM, CB or TJ's ear.........

i've had similar problems even before this patch
i've not bothered playing uni at all since i did a clean install a while back, and i'm not about to test the patchs' efficacy. i just get a counterfeit diploma if i want my sims to have one and save all the tedium of going through college

So what's the general consensus on this patch?

Install it and hope for the best?  Install it and get more fixes from JM, TJ, CB?  Just STEP AWAY FROM THE PATCH AND NOBODY GETS HURT?

I say install it and hope for the best.

Pescado is playing with the patch so far as I know, and any hacks he updates/makes from now on include this patch.  I played without the first NL patch for a long time and he told me I shouldn't be without it.  I don't know about TJ or Crammyboy.

The patch is safe. Seeing how unstable the game is, I would still say the game is at Terror alert orange, which is elevated. As long as you have Pescado's Weapons of mass destruction (hacks), you should be safe.

Well, I haven't put it in yet......

If other patches failed to explode your game, this one's no different.  However, it's already been said the InTeenimater doesn't work with the new patch apparently, and I'm not sure if it's fixed yet.  If you have a MATY hack, it should be fine though since Pescado's already retired the hacks the game fixes and no doubt TJ and Crammyboy have seen the list.

I just haven't got around to it, that's all!  My game's fine at present, why take chances?

InTeen works fine. What I found is a Maxis bug not related to the inteen.

InTeen does work with the new patch...


edit - Jordi beat me

InTeen does work and Jase added a fix to his page for one of the changes made with the patch that was affecting InTeen (the YA male pregnancy from the sphere). It's an optional fix. He's also given an explanation there to the one other possible conflict and that he's determining if it actually needs a hotfix.

I myself have had no problems with InTeen since patching other than a lack of new homeless kittens coming into the shelter for adoption - unless it's inTeen that is somehow causing my sims to graduate and not get diplomas but I highly doubt it.

I also have not run into any of the other problems I originally mentioned seeing happen since the first night playing after patching. Those could easily be attributed to a groups.cache that needed trashing.

nope, apparently that is another patch bug  ::)

Actually, as of the second NL patch, InTeen is causing your sims not to receive a diploma.  An update to the InTeenimater was posted to the website a couple weeks ago and corrects this problem.