More Awesome Than You!

I've installed the Awesome Lot Timer (TM) on my Pleasantview (about 10 RL months under play).  The use of the lot timer has underscored the houses that I just can't bring myself to play.   Nina and Dina are the only Maxis Sims that I just can't bear.  10 months and no plotline.....

In a last desperate attempt, I've turned them into elders.  It was either that or kill them off.  Nina is now an aging actress who pees a lot, and that does have some promise.

What have Nina and Dina done in your game?  I don't hear people talk about them much, unlike Cassandra and Alexander, the Pleasants, the Burbs, or of course everybody's favorite Don Lothario.   ;D  He may be a pig, but he inspires stories!

I never play them, period.

When I enter Pleasantview, I move the houses of the Calientes, Don (after the left at altar scenario), and Dreamer (can't stand him - lazy sim which dreams of money) to the house bin, and then delete them (throw the houses to the trash).

That's the only way I can play in Pleasantview...:).

I effectively disbanded the Caliente family. Dina married Mortimer and moved in with them, Nina married someone else and lives there. The effectively highly-boring and not that well designed Caliente house is thus an abandoned building now.

I don't mind nina and dina, but I did feed daniel pleasant and the oldies to the cow plant  ;D

Good idea Liss -cow plant food!

Nina and Dina are boring, but the Oldies are the worst for me. I had Nina marry a townie when I loaded the original game [oh so long ago] and they had two beautiful daughters who were fun to play, but once they moved out -ugh! -I hated going back to that house.

Thankfully, it seems, we have more options now to kill off boring or otherwise annoying sims.

The Calientes bore me too. I've played them before a very short time but they are not in my "household rotation list" and I don't play them anymore. They're effectively "townies" in my game. They will make great Cowplant fuel.

The Oldies, Daniel Pleasant, Mary Sue Oldie, Darren Dreamer, John, Jennifer & Lucy Burb have all died of old age in my game.

I believe whenever I played that household I always married Nina to Don, but I usually didn't do anything with Dina.  I haven't even played the Calientes since NL.  I hate playing those horrid Maxis sims for some odd reason.

I never bothered to play them either...until now.

One particular Sim family, whom I've been playing through many generations had one male sim who just couldn't see anyone else but Dina. I tried to get him interested in other eligible females in the neighbourhood because truthfully I never liked the Caliente sisters myself, but unfortunately, no one 'did it' for him like Dina did and he only has two bolts for her but constantly dreamt and thought about her!!

So I gave in, let him woo her, woohoo her and all the other things you do when trying to get sims together and eventually they married and have one child.

Funny thing is, I just knew she'd be a lazy bitch and a terrible mother and yeah.....I was right!  :D

*laughs* sims are only as boring as you let them be

The Oldies moved away (deleted)
The Burbs were moved into a nice home I built. Their daugher died from a falling object  ;) and John and Jennifer are now broke up and John lives with Brandi and his bastard daughter and Brandi's son (the 3rd one)

I restarted recently because I wanted the genes from the maxis pre-mades (mine all end up looking alike) after discovering that most of the pre-made children/teens/toddlers were not actually the true children of their pre-made parents, they either died young or moved away (deleted) except for Brandi's 3rd boy (the Brandi-clone one) The pre-made familys are currently having true-born children.

Mortimer Goth, Cassandra and (now) Alexander are dead (he was handy for babysitting).  Bella lives in the new Goth manor, with her (and Dons) three beautiful daughters  ;D 

I redid Dina and Ninas house (which I did for every pre-made family) and after tweaking their personalitys with InSIM (why did Maxis make Nina a "very shy" Romance sim? I think even Daniel was very shy before I tweaked his personality and made him Knowledge) 

Anyway, I did put off really playing Nina and Dina until last night, Darren Dreamer needed a new wife and seemed interested in Nina so after inviting her over, I enjoyed having her move in - then get engaged - then get pregnant (Darren "tried for a baby") - then get married... I had Darren do all the asking so you could say she did have a chance to say "no"  ;)  (not that they ever do, which is kind of sad) hmmmm I wonder if she will lose her mind when she has the baby  ;D  She seems happy enough even though she still wants to woohoo with Don (was locked and I haven't unlocked it) I had fun playing her and Darren for a change and She is actually quite beautiful with a good make-over and nice hair)

Dina ended up with the large house all to herself and a want to "have a baby"  :o   After a good make-over and new hair and getting a car alarm installed(buglar came while she was gone, she wasn't happy about that) I then sent her off to find a mate.  Don was at the Crypt (of course) but Dina didn't seem very interested (which is good since he has 3 kids with Bella already) (I then used InSIM to nix the crush hearts)
Well I decided to just watch and see who she seemed most interested in.
 
John Burb was there (3 bolts) and for once Brandi wasn't with him. Dina was very interested but John and brandi have 1 kid and are expecting another so I really didn't want Dina messing that relationship up. I noticed a downtownie(2 bolts) seemed very interested in Dina, kept giving her friendly hugs and wanting to talk to her and tell her jokes and stuff and she actually accepted the hugs. I felt she would have paid more attention to him if John wasn't there and if John didn't keep wanting to talk to her  ::)  Once Brandi showed up I had to really keep an eye on John!

Dina then wanted to do the "date thing" with the downtownie so I allowed it and they ended up with a dream date (both rolled wants for woohoo and woohoo in Dinas car, which they enjoyed)  I had Dina go home and go to work, she tried calling her downtownie the next day, he was working but after he got home he called up wanting to go downtown for another date. Well they had a great time and Dina ended up pregnant after some car woohoo so she asked him home with her and then asked him to move in. He then asked for her hand in marriage and shortly after they were married.

After that I quit playing for the night *had played for more then 8 hours*

Actually, those two are my current favorite Sims... they've turned out very interesting in my game.

Dina married Mortimer and bore him a daughter. She's just using him for the money, of course, and soon got herself a rather snazzy make-over. Since Alexander is growing up to be a good-for-nothing pleasure Sim, she intends on completely taking over the Goth fortune-- with lots of use of Elixer of Life. She'll manipulate her daughter, Alexander, Nina, and Nina's children to get what she wants.

I really like the way she looks now with her make-over and new clothing. Gothy-- but old fashioned and elegant.

Nina has been woo-hoo-ing her way around town-- with the help of stuffing her shirt to get an impressive DD chest. Whoa. Don has knocked her up twice now, the second time gave her twins. She and her teenaged daughter weren't able to handle them, and Nina went to Dina for help. Nina is now the live-in Nanny for Dina and Mortimer and will do whatever Dina asks as long as Dina continues to help her out. I haven't yet decided if Nina is going to attempt to seduce Mortimer, or if Nina has decided to offically 'switch to the other team' since she's tired of having children. Plus I doubt she likes old men. Dina will be kicking her out of the Goth house as soon as the baby is a teen, in any case.

Everything turned out nicely for Alexander, btw, who was more than happy to have Nina's very attractive daughter move into his house. :D

Dina married a CAS sim in my game, who was a nice but funny-looking celebrity chef, and they had two fugly boys. Then, when her husband became an elder, I had her have a fling with Don Lothario. That produced a BEAUTIFUL girl who I named "Nighat," after Dina's grandmother. She lived with Don for a while after her husband threw her out, but they got back together and now are raising Don's daughter. Nighat wants to get to know Don better, but you know Don.

Yeah, Dina's kind of bland, but she makes pretty kids with the right person. For me she has behaved a lot like a family Sim, since her husband was family. She would roll wants to kiss him and have babies, before the affair.

I really like Nina living by herself, so she can tramp it up. She had an affair with Brandi and Dustin Broke (oops). And man, you don't have to tell her twice to exercise. I love an active Sim.

In my original Pleasantview, Dina married Mortimer Goth shortly after Cassandra had married Don Lothario (who became Don Goth, which is a stupid name). Dina had Mortimer's daughter, Medea, the day after old Morty died. Shortly after that, Cassandra and Don's son, Troy, was born. Dina moved out of the Goth house (she had only lived there around five or six days, and didn't really fit in) into a house of her own. Two days later, she gave birth to a son, Ajax, who looked suspiciously like Don. To cover this up, she quickly married her friend Mr. Eaglezero-doesn't-remember-his-name-right-now, with whom she has just had a baby. Troy and Ajax are best friends (and, you know, half-brothers), and Medea still hangs around Don (he was unemployed at that time, and was playing Daddy Don) and Alexander a lot. Cassandra still hasn't figured out about Don's infidelity, even though little Ajax looks NOTHING like his adopted father.

Nina, meanwhile, was romancin' it up. She slept with just about every eligible bachelor in town, as well as some of the not-so eligible ones. I had risky woohoo in at that time, and she ended up pregnant (by my favorite sim, no less, who has kind of a habit of fathering children on unsuspecting ladies). Her daughter, Katalina, severely cramped her romance stylin', and so Nina went into aspiration failure. Katalina is now a teen (although she's about to enter college with Medea and the third Broke kid) and Nina is back to her old ways, although she's being slightly more careful this time.

In my newer Pleasantview (I have two), I haven't actually played Nina and Dina much because I've been trying to establish the other storylines. I think I'm going to have one of them marry Don, and the other be a swingin' single and then settle down with one of the many strapping young men in the neighborhood (there's like EIGHTY BILLION of them [except not really, because that would be a BFBVFS for sure]). She'll have juuuuuust enough time to have a baby before she transitions to an elder.

Oooohhh!!! That's why it's always a black haired blue eyed boy! DUH *smacks self*
I like Nina and Dina. I always have Dina and ol' Morty have one kid before he croaks, I let it suffer the firstborn syndrome and find it makes an attractive sim who has a good personality to be a party animal. Dina is always the slacker mom who needs a nanny though. Spoiled. With Nightlife I make Nina a pleasure sim, though she's always in a pretty slutty outfit. I have fun with them. Most of my sims keep their lives together, they provide screw up releif.

Dina married Morty and bore his son, Thomas Caliente.  After Morty died Dina made friends with a number of male sims, although I'd like her to meet Mr Big, she's currently engaged to one of the firemen she met after the many fires she's set while trying to cook.  I'm thinking I might kill him off before the wedding though, he's uglier than he looked under the fireman's hat.

Nina promptly moved into a little house Downtown and is having a great old time batting for both teams as she works her way up the Athletic career.  I might 'accidentally' hit try for baby and make her have a child with either Alexander Goth (gay pleasure sim, what a challenge that would be for her!) or Alex's partner Ricky Cormier (changed from romance to family aspiration at Uni) just to ensure there are still two Caliente's roaming around!

Yes! Nina is great as a bisexual. Although that's true of many romance sims. Also, I laughed about the "accidentally" trying for a baby. I don't play with risky woohoo in, I play this way. Having an affair? Totally broke and fighting? Whoops, my mouse goes over to TFaB. Nothing like turning the drama up a notch.

Actually, I just thought.  Nina's currently having an affair with Brandi Broke and Brandi's husband Nick (CAS sim)... I was going to kill off Nick as I was bored with him, but now I think I might make Nina have his (3rd) baby... he's got good genes, he's well and truly in love with her... Brandi finds out and BAM!  Nick goes the way of Skip in the pool!

I'll have to remember that.

I'm waiting for them both to die of old age in my game.  Unfortuantly I think they both transitioned to old age in platinum so they just keep going and going...

Both of their lives were rather uneventful.  Dina married Morty...had two daughters...Morty died...Dina spent her whole life just basically being a working mom.  She's old now and her youngest, son in law and two accidental grandchildren live with her.  She just sourta whores it up around the neighborhood.  My Pleasantview dudes seem to love some old granny Dina booty.

Nina and Don moved in together after Don fulfilled his have 20 lovers want.  They never married, but they were faithful to each other the entire time.  They have two sons and a daughter and things are still rather uneventful..except Don is dead now.

This made me snort milk through my nose. Too funny.

Dreamer: I usually revive Darleen and have Darren and her have a second child. Dirk marries... one of Brandi's sons. XD

Pleasant: I kill Angela by cowplant and toss her in the cemetary I made and have lIlith marry one of Brandi's children (usually the oldest). I let Mary-Sue and Daniel live the rest of their lives and attempt to do their Lifetime wants.

Goth: Mortimer goes to live with Nina and Cassandra has a child by Herb Oldie. Alexander has a gay relationship with a random sim.

Caliente: Mortimer moves in with Nina. They have a child before he dies. Because Mort always has retard LTW, I just toggle his on and let him have a good life till he passes. Dina moves in with Don.

Burb: John and Jennifer have the LTW completed, Lucy takes one of the Brandi boy's (usually the clone of Brandi).

Lothario: Don and Dina get LTW completed while they have a son (donicle) or a girl (donna) who takes over the household when they die.

Oldie: I have them adopt a ugly child and toggle their LTW. Herb becomes the town whore while Coral becomes near maxes out in the business jobs.


Which comes to a interesting question. How can Coral get a normal job as a elder? Is she glitched or something?



edity: Broke: Skip is revived and becomes has a affair with Brandi as many times as possible, and Brandi goes out and does the same but doesn't get caught. All the boys are moved out to other families and the broke family is usually the one to die out.

Thy, you have the JMP's hack "noagediscrimination". Without it, elders can't get normal job. Check your Downloads folder.

well the first try I played Pleasantview, Nina was a bisexual who bonked half a dozen sims and was eventually knocked up by Don Lothirio, and Dina was engaged to Goopy GilsCarbo and had one son.

Since I restarted Dina is married to Mortimer, and Nina is living with Don.

Hmm, let's see...

Dina invited Mortimer round and gave him some nookie, but neglected to use proper protection - after all, he's a senile old man, right? At least, that's what she thought until she started throwing up. Mortimer, in the meantime, has finally started listening to his children and seen Dina for what she is. He's going to pay for the daughter, but if Dina mistreats her he's coming to get her back. Dina therefore needed money, so she went Downtown and found herself a wealthy idiot - who then died in a tragic pool-ladder accident... but not before getting abducted by aliens and giving birth.

Nina moved out when Dina started fishing for new blood, and is currently providing a stable income to the Broke household. She has also introduced Brandi to Don, making Don the unwitting father of the rest of Brandi's progeny (we're up to 5, shooting for 10). Oh, and she's pregnant by Daniel Pleasant. The basic plan is for her to eventually value the huge family she's in above her nookie, and switch to a family Sim.

Pleasantview is turning into one big unhappy family, basically ;)

Dina is my second most hated Maxis Sim (first place goes to Mary-Sue).  In my original Pleasantview, she married Mortimer but he chucked her out when he caught her at it with Don.  This was actually a rather sneaky exercise, because Mortimer had also been at it with the "Disappearing family members? Try the latest SimPE, available at your local store NOW!" Bella and as he wanted her more than he wanted Dina, he took advantage of the situation good and proper.  Cassandra, meanwhile, had chucked Don out when she realised he was the father of Nina's new daughter (different occasion), so chucked him out.  Nina & Dina fell out because, like Cassandra, Dina wasn't too happy when Nina gave birth to Don's daughter.  Nina moved into the old Dreamer house (now empty because Darren had moved in with Cassandra, who had actually been flirting with him on the side - like father, like daughter) leaving Dina alone in the Caliente house, which meant Don was able to move in with her.  They got married and had twins and Don was never really interested in anyone else after that.  Nina raised her daughter alone for a while, then married the townie Benjamin Long when she was an elder.  Having tried to kill Dina off several times and failing (3 attempts to electrocute her just ended-up giving her mechanical points), she eventually died of old age like all the rest.

In my new Pleasantview, I reluctantly let Dina marry Mortimer when I realised they had 3-bolts for each other.  She had twins again (programmed, obviously) and soon after Mortimer died.  Alexander went off to Uni the same evening and once he became an adult, to my amazement he had 3 bolts for Dina as well.  As soon as he returned from Uni he went straight upstairs to relax on the bed Dina was sleeping in, even though their relationship at that point was 0/0.  I found this rather perturbing, and it's clear enough that Alexander is more interested in Dina than she is in him (then again, she hasn't the energy to be interested in anything beyond the nearest sofa anyway).  Even though they both have 3-bolts for other people, none of them are available, so they'll probably end-up together.  Will make for an interesting storyline and a rather complicated family tree if nothing else.

Nina is living with Don at the moment and they have one son.  I'm sort of regretting it insofar as it's obvious Nina should be a Knowledge Sim (she much prefers the telescope to woohooing), so I'm sort of hoping that she catches Don at it with someone else so I can change her aspiration.  If I do it now, they'd probably lose 2 of their 3 bolts.  It all depends on whether Don gets knocked-up before they split-up - whenever she's on the telescope he wants to go on it, so I tend to cancel her time on it and let Don use it, which means he spends virtually every night stargazing for hours on end. 

Dina and Nina have contributed genes to my main family in Pleasantview, the Monets. My main Monet, Major, fathered a son to both, but didn't marry either.


Dina eventually joined with his sister, while Nina remained single and stayed with Don Lothario, eventually producing with him a child as ugly as sin. Later, Major returned to father 3 more of Nina's children, after which she went off and was impregnated by Dina and Major's second eldest grandson.

Having had the desire to give Major a cousin, I had to marry Nina to Major so I could actually access that portion of the Monet family tree. She has since returned to Don Lothario's pad (still married), and is waiting for Major to pass on. Dina is happily involved and is about to welcome her 8th grandchild by her only son Leo.

 I have three major families in my neighborhood now, one of which is the Caliente(-Monet) family. I found them to be quite engaging, they bred well.

All other Maxis-made families have been assimilated. Nina's eldest granddaughter married Alexander Goth, who is now the "guardian" of his orphaned niece Virella (daughter of Cassandra and Darren Dreamer.)  She will most likely marry Dina's third eldest grandson, a Knowledge sim who shall be impregnated by aliens when his time comes.

I just married them off- Dina married Mortimer (I figured, what the heck, she did actually love him), and I had Nina join the Don Lothario romance sim brothel.

The Don Lothario Romance Sim brothel?  Sounds highly intriguing.  I do wonder about Don, whether he's programmed to be obsessed with Dina, because even in my new Pleasantview he's still got the fear of her death all the time, even though he's not spoken to her in ages and gone down to 70/70 or something with her.  She has a fear of his death too, as I recall.  As he has 3 bolts with Nina and only 2 with Dina (or maybe 1, can't remember), I don't know why he's so obsessed with her, or her with him for that matter as she has 3 bolts for Alexander, Darren Dreamer and John Burb or somebody along those lines.

You know what?  I have never, ever played the 3 basic neighborhoods.  My Pleasantview is deleted and replaced by my custom neighborhood as #1.  But, now, as I read this thread, I kindof miss never trying to play them.

I have only ever played them when I only had the base game! I think it would be fun to play them all now with the attraction thing :) When I did play them though, I hated playing the Pleasants, and Don was my favourite-I didn't get him to marry Cassandra, and he stayed engaged to her until he died!

Just started to play Pleasantview fresh from the start again. Dina got knocked up by Morty and Nina by Don. Morty is back with a "revived" Bella though, and Don married Cassie after all. I'm thinking of letting Nina swear off guys and matchmaking her with a female townie (adopted as kid by the Oldies and aged up). I guess Dina will be my only single Mom in Pleasantview. After she and Nina got robbed, she decided to become a cop and will probably be very determined in reaching the top of her career.

I've played them much because I usally make my own version of Nina and Dina.(Macy and Mia)  The one time I did play Nina and Dina, it wasn't too boring.   Dina and Nina competed for the affections of Mr Monty.  Dina usually gets him by making nice with his kids.  Before they get married, Nina has a vengful fling with Mr. Monty.  Dina has a kid shorty after the wedding, but her step kids do most of the parenting.

Nina turns into a total slut once her sister moves out.  Nina is Mia's freakin' rival and they compete for how many but ugly townies they can bump uglies with.  Mia and Nina also tend to have a bi-curious repulsion attraction thing going on.

Dina is one of the most played sims in my game. After marrying old Morty for his money and giving birth to his baby girl, he caught her cheating with her old flame Don, and promptly kicked her out of the house, whereupon she moved in with Don and eventually married him. Dina is currently a Business Tycoon, head of her own cosmetics empire, while Don is still working up to Chief of Staff. They've got 4 kids together, 2 boys and twin girls, and the two boys just recently moved to college, so the house is now much quieter, although the twins, w/ their beauty, are sure to stir up much drama in the ensuing years. On top of that, Dina just got pregnant again via Risky Woohoo, so her & Don's resting days are still quite a far way ahead. LOL.

Nina I've made a bisexual w/ a lesbian partner - townie Brandi w/ the full lips - you know the one. She and her partner are still sitting there in their nice little house though, yet to be played. Surprisingly, they're an unbelievably boring couple.

I used to hate most of them till I swore that I would play a game the way Maxis intended(before NL).  It wasn't so bad--thought I could do better so I played it a few times with different scenerios then NL came and explained why some sims just didn't get it on like others did--so I did it completely different and with many hours in SimPE this is what I ended up with.  Everyone was stepped down a notch so Nina,Dina,etc. went to Uni.  I erased all previous relationships except if they had children then I just erased their engagement and marriages.  Dina is platimum two days out of Uni--married to Micheal Bachelor(who is also plat) who is now Bella's younger brother.  They are blistfully married and have their first (set of twins) kids-boy and girl.  Nina is blistfully married to Don both are platimum and they just had their third child--he knockes her up the first time she can get pregnant.  They are both faithful to each other as much as they can be.  Don has never gotten caught cheating by Nina(or vice versa)they are always caught by the lover(Don can't keep his hands off Nina).  Most of their outings end in immediate disaster.  Don grabs Nina -ex-lover steps out of vehicle and slaps him.  He doesn't have many left.  Mary Sue and Daniel are extremely happy and have a second set of twins Daniel has only had Mary Sue as a lover and vice versa.  The twins are now in Uni and I didn't want them to have the same relationships but Lilith can't keep her hands off of Dirk and after erasing the hearts three times--I decided  that they will be together again.  No prob with Angela and Dustin--they don't really like each other much anyways.  Dustin is a riot.  I changed him to be mean(to keep with his Maxis persona) and he has gotten into 13 fights so far and he is a freshman in Uni.  He and Brittany took turns beating the crap out of Komei  it was so amusing.

I deaged those two along with Cassandra and Don and sent them off to Uni.  Once I got them there I made Don Woohoo with all three of them immediately.  That set up the chain reaction of drama that made Cassandra break off the engagement with Don and caused a heated rivalry between Dina and Nina.

After that it was pretty much the standard thing.  Cassandra started a relationship with Darren.  Now those two are married.  And before I saved and left the lot I made them woohoo and heard the lulaby chimes.  Dina got together with Mortimer (who I aged down to an adult).  They're now married and just had twins, Adrian and Rachel Goth.

Nina had an epiphany during Uni.  Like the others I didn't think her personality matched that of the personality I would think a Romance sim should have.  So she's now a Knowledge sim.  Don didn't have the same epiphany, but he did have an "accident" with the Renu-Yu Senso Orb.  So he's now a very harmless Grilled Cheese sim.   ;D  Those two got married and had twins as well, Juan and Maria Lothario (Get it?  Don and Juan...   :D)  Juan is just like his mother.  Neat, shy, and serious.  But Maria is just like Don.  Sloppy and outgoing.  She's also extremely nice.  I'm going to have to let Encouragificator take care of that.

Maria will be the new female Romance sim in the neighborhood.  Now I just need a new male Romance sim besides Daniel Pleasant...

I did it.  Nina got pregnant to Nick on her day off from work, then spent the pregnancy having dates and otherwise building relationships.  Brandi was present at the birth of Carlos Caliente but she seemed far too happy about the fact that Nina was having Nick's baby!

I promptly went off to the Broke house where, after one last kiss between Brandi and Nick (I half thought the relationship would have taken a hit but apparently not) I sent Nick for a swim in the pool - hey, it was a want he had.  He had a day off work while everyone else went off to school or work.  Now I have to say that I've never deliberately killed off a sim before - I tend not to let it get to that point, even where I'll cheat to get them back into the green.  I was surprised how difficult it was for me to watch him scream for food, the toilet, and a bed.

Everybody else was in bed and sleeping when Grim finally came for him - Brandi woke only a few minutes too late and she and their twins Bridget and Ben screamed the house down in their grief.  Skip Jr (Brandi's 3rd son) slept on, blissfully unaware, and he hasn't even developed a memory marker for it.

(are deaths from anything other than old age meant to give inheritance?  Brandi & co never received anything, and like I said I don't usually kill off my sims from anything other than old age, so I don't know if that's by design or bug or hack)

Vecki, if you want inheritance, you have to use JMP's  "deathfix" hack. Without it there is no inheritance.

I have it.  Then I also got the director's cut.  I'm imagining it should be in that.

I just don't know if unnatural deaths get inheritance.  Old age deaths do, from what I've seen in my game.

I'm pretty sure that only sims who die of old age give inheritances to their family and close friends. Nothing for any other type of death.

That's alright then.  Even the Prima guide didn't specify.

/me kicks Prima

Everybody is related in PV now so Im going to have to start having them marry NPC's.   I like Dina but I dont really play Nina's House to much.  I resurrected Micheal and even though he and Dina are married again he seems to like Nina more.  They are just best friends though.  Nina has quads with Don.  Don has twins with both Kaylynn and Rainelle.  He has more kids than anyone else so far. Herb and Coral are adults in my game.

I was never interested in Nina/Dina until I used them to experiment when I first got NL. Nina paid $5000 for a blind date, and got - Dustin Broke! A mere child!!

Needless to say, Nina and her toy boy hit it off straight away, three lightening bolts, soppy poetry left on the doorstep etc. etc. Dustin's now in Uni, they're still madly in love and I'll probably be a nice Goddess and let them marry once he graduates.

On a side note, Brandi Broke is less than thrilled with that skank Nina corrupting her boy - she's furious with her and regularly slopes past the Caliente house to kick over the dustbin.

Dina got deleted.

Even with the little poking at Pleasantview as I've done, I never did much with Dina and Nina. Dina seemed a little interesting in all of her gold-digging awfulness, but they neglected to really give Nina a personality at all. Pleasantview in general annoyed me - Some character backstories were way overdeveloped compared to others, and some just didn't make sense. How is Mary Sue such a milksop and horrible mother if she was supposed to have been raised by the Oldies, who are described as this really nice old couple? Finally, it really started to bother me that none of the kids were geneticly related to their parents, so...

I extracted the main Pleasantview sims and gave the whole thing the wipe, then re-created the families in CAS but with people considerably de-aged. Many of the adults are now teens living with their re-created parents (I didn't think to try to extract the dead people, so I just made their parents from mashups of the kids); most of the kids are gone, and will have to be re-born in the game. Bella and Morty are young again with a teen Cassandra and child Alexander, while Bella's brother Michael is living as a townie. The Calientes are twin teen models. Brandi was renamed Belinda because I object to naming people after alcohol - really, might as well name them Vodka or Tequila! - and lives with her parents. Daniel and his sister Jennifer are teena nd child, respectively, and live with their parents. The Oldies were not recreated; instead, Mary Sue was adopted by a Maria Martinet, who runs Miss Martinet's School for Wayward Children ( :D ), which is where Don (renamed Donatello) Lothario, Skip Broke, John Burbery (Burb), and Darren and Dirk Dreamer live as teens. I made Darren and Dirk siblings.

All of them got some sort of tweaks to their faces so they look more realistic and less bug-eyed, and the Dreamers got more realistic eyecolours. Some sims got more tweaked than others, since I noticed a few of the men looked way too much alike. Cassandra and Alex look a bit different, as I used the "make a baby" option in CAS to roll them. Nina also looks a bit different, although not immediately obviously so - she looked fine as a woman but her male counterpart had REALLY weird features, so she was adjusted to look more like Dina.

I plan on having some relationships sort out the same - Daniel is going to marry Mary Sue, Brandi/Belinda will end up with Skip - and first pregnancies roll out the same as well as regards to sex and number of children. I'll also play the Sims who had well defined personalities the same as their original backstories, but other than that I'll see what happens. It'll give the more milksop sims a chance to develop actual personalities and backstories and be more interesting to play - like, Dina is pretty easy to explain as a golddigger for any number of backstories, but why on earth is shy Nina a romance sim? Things like that.

I decided to play the Goths, to see where they were heading.  Well I think I told you all that Morty and Bella died; just as well as I think ol'Morty would have been devastated to see how his boy Alexander ended up.  (He was such a stick in the mud!).  Alexander graduated from Uni, and moved into a fine house next door to Monty and Bella.  He tried to play nicely with the girls but his heart just wasn't in it.  He renewed a friendship with an old college buddy and they fell in love.  Both grew moustaches, bought the wedding arch and had a lovely service in front of their siblings.  Alex and his husband adopted two lovely children, and then bought the old Goth mansion and are still living happily ever after.  It's amazing how prejudice even runs into the Sims; the Nanny tends to go off when the boys are behaving like they're still on their honeymoon!

I reset often, because I don't play Pleasantview very often  :P. Anyway, the last time I checked, Nina is romancing people at random and Dina is married to Mortimer and has a son named Michael. Then I reset, and haven't played anyone 'cept the Burbs. (I love the Burbs)

Hey Lythdan, I agree.  I love the Burbs, to me they seem like the only Maxis family that don't have faces that look like busted a@#holes.  I just can't remember where I put them......?

I always loved the Burbs because they reminded me of my own family a few years back.

Yep.  Those Burbs are one of the happiest couples in my Pleasantview...

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The Burbs always struck me as so cookie cutter. Way too dull. In an effort to spice things up, Jennifer is now running around in ethnic Indian dress. I gave John a beard, and he looks way less blah now. Still, I'd say they are the least played family in my game, right next to Nina & her gf.

Well actually I restarted playing Pleasantview after I install nightlife and made them teen again and they both went to University.

The Nina ended up with Dustin Broke and Dina with a townie YA she met while in school.  They were a bit more interesting to play that way.

I must be weird; I've never played any of the plot families.
I've hardly even palyed the default neigbourhoods!
I've played in strangetown a bit, but now I play a completely custom neigbourhood.

It's because Brandi and Nina are perfect for each other. I have paired them up more than once...they always find each other. Brandi is pining away.    :D

I've never played the maxis families before but after reading this I thought I would give it a whirl...Dina married Morty & they became pregnant with Helen pretty quickly - way to go you gold-digger! Thus ensuring that when Morty shuffles off this mortal coil she will get not one but two inheritances (as the bub will be too young to know any better).  She pretty much ignores Alexander except when Morty's around and then she is laughing and chatting etc.  Poor Alexander is understandably a little confused.

As for Nina - I changed her to knowledge straight away.  Her heart just wasn't into those public displays of affection.  She called the matchmaker, paid top dollar and suprise suprise it actually worked.  She got a waiter as a date and they have...wait for it...3 bolts of attraction for each other (without messing around with turn on/offs).  His name is Gary, they moved in and have just had a kid called Bruce.  I forgot to download the reindeer from Maxis so they are running with scissors a lot but no 'accidents' yet.  They both want to get saved from death, shrugs...As for her and Don - well 3 bolts beat 2 and Gary is a knowledge with no intention of cheating on her so he won the day.  Don still rings up but the she's not too interested. Don will have to make do with the maid. Funnily enough Nina & Dina are now best friends - they must be swapping baby stories or something.  Whenever I am playing one of their households, the other is always ringing up to chat.

Cassy was left at the alter by Don but fortuitously the phone rang about 2 mins after and it was Darren.  She ended the call but her social was still low so I got her to ring him and invite him over.  Turns out they have 2 bolts for each other and so they were engaged & married within the hour.  Noice rebound!  Dirk was a bit surprised when Cassy rocked up but as he spent most of his time snogging Lillith he doesn't seem too upset.  Don & Cassy have a kid now - Daisy.  Cassy wants another but stiff bickies, I play by China rules.

I tried playing the Pleasants and have pretty much given up - too disfunctional.  Angela gets on my nerves and so does Daniel. Mary Sue is bland and the only one I really like is Lillith.  As punishment I have left Mary Sue & Daniel married (let them be miserable together) and sent the two ferals off to uni.  Lillith's body skill myseriously shot up and so she wins all of the fights with Angela. I got their relationship with their parents up just long enough to have their parents teach them how to study - I need that for when they are at uni.  After that, I just sat back and watched them brawl.

I've resurected the Tricou family and they are doing ok.  I had to change the aspirations of the 6 downtownies as they were all pleasure - one is ok, two getting a little much but 6 is unacceptable.  I might have to try and find some goth skins though for young adults as it was quite sad to see Fricaroth go through uni without a proper goth look.  The two daughters of Jon Smith & Jennicor had another kid each, both girls so since the rest of the families names were so bizarre, I had fun choosing theirs.  One became Jessenet & the other Cyrinet.

I lasted about 15 mins playing Brandi before she irritated me too much.  She is supposed to be a loving mother right? One who adores her kids and presumably struggles to give them the best she can?  Sunshine spent her entire time playing the pinball machine while Beau, starved for affection and attention developed deep seated psychological problems that would only be identified later in life with the help of a good shrink. Bleh! I even tried reserrecting Skip and neither of them liked each other so I exited without saving.

Verdict: juries still out but it has been interesting to play sims with a back story - even if I have ended up completely ruining it.

Anyone else name a daughter by Cassandra and Darren "Day"?

Vilia--I agree,Brandi sucks as a mother,but surprise!!  Skip is a great father.  I had them in a trailer park with a few other fun to play sims and had Skip and Dustin in one trailer and Brandi and the other children in another trailer.  The other Sims were Romance Sims and they are usually really good with kids.  So the kids were well taken care of.  It is important to marry her off asap--for the children's sake.  She gets better when she has more children.  Most(bad) family sims don't roll wants for their children till the second child so if she has another baby,she gets better.

Brandi only sucks as a mother if you play her that way.  You should sell the pinball machine right away because they need the cash and it's worth a bunch.  The sooner you sell it, the more you'll get for it.  The reason she played it so much is because it has a high advertisement value.  I am so sick of people saying how terrible Brandi is as a mom.  She was and continues to be a great mom in my game, one of my favorite characters.  I've played her longer than any of my other sims.  I had to make myself play the others to keep them in sync.  And I don't know why family sims get such a bad rap either.  Sims are what you make them. 

Angela was another one of my favorites.  In my Pleasantview, I worked at Angela and Lilith's relationship to make them friends because I got tired of them fighting all the time.  I had to tweak some things because Maxis had stacked things against them in ways that don't occur in normal gameplay.  They only had one or two interests in common, so I had to get them some magazines and have them read up on each other's interests, and from then on it was much easier to get them to talk to each other.

By far the best thing is to get Brandi married off after stripping the house of anything saleable that wasn't strictly necessary.  After Dustin had grown up and moved out, I realised that if I got Brandi a job she still wouldn't earn enough to pay the taxes or a nanny.  Then she popped a belly, which was a disagreeable surprise.

Since Dan and Mary-Sue had broken up long before, I introduced Brandi and Mary-Sue when the latter did a walk-by.   That went well, and Brandi moved into the Pleasant house with Beau.  She married Mary-Sue, had her male clone, and became attentive to her children even without my assistance.  Beau and Stone are long gone now, and in homes of their own. 

After the break-up, Mary-Sue and Dan were able to make friends again, and when Dan's new family (with Richard) was mostly grown I had Mary-Sue invite them to move in.  She and Dan still have all their memories concerning each other, but there's been no drama.  Dan and Richard won't leave each other alone; Mary-Sue and Brandi aren't far behind, and no one minds.   They're all one big happy, and surprisingly functional, family.

I did much the same as Rainbow with Angela and Lilith, but I admit also to a dirty bit of cheating by flipping the "enemy" bit in SimPE.  With that set, it was impossible to get them to build a calmer relationship.  Once it was off things were still pretty bouncy but it was easier.  By the time they were ready to go to university they were getting along well enough for me to risk having them rent a house together.  That worked out just fine, surprisingly.  Perhaps their shared hatred for Jasmine Bui helped.

Lilith married John Burb, with whom she's had the ugliest sprog (a toddler still) I've seen yet, and that's saying something.  Angela is destined to become a future crazy cat lady, assuming that all the clamouring for pets results in that sort of expansion package.

Whoa, settle down rainbow, I've obviously hit a raw nerve.  You're much nicer and fairer with your sims than I am.  I do like family sims and play them quite a bit but most of my family sims roll wants such as potty training, teaching to walk & talk - my Brandi didn't roll any of those wants.  I guess I expected Maxis to have created Brandi in such a way that she rolled stacks of wants re her kids.  I thought it was sad that Dustin actually spent more time with Beau than she did.  I had left the pinball machine in as that is how Maxis shipped her lot and I wanted to see how it played out - and as you could tell from my previous post I wasn't too impressed. 

In case I have been unduly unfair, I'll give the Broke's family another shot today & perhaps I'll try moving her into Mary Sue's place as agcons did.  Maybe with more support things will turn out differently.  I don't like playing more than 4 sims at once so I'm thinking I might have Mary Sue & Dan break up and Dan can move in with Don - the D brothers, lovin' & leavin' all the townies.

That sounds great, villa.  Brandi deserves to be happy. :)  I made her a special CAS sim to marry her to the first time, and they had bunches of kids, way too many, actually.  But I had fun doing it.  This time, I resurrected Skip and made him a family sim, and he and Brandi have 3 bolts and are crazy about each other.  They of course want another baby, but I'm trying to do population control this time as my first Pleasantview never got past the second generation because there are so many kids to pair up and send through Uni.  Now I've gone back and played it, they are almost through Uni so now I have to find houses for everyone and start making babies.  I have combined some because I get bored just playing one or two sims.  Big houses are more entertaining for me, especially with Macrotastics to take care of the more mundane tasks.  :)

Oh, and my previous comments weren't aimed at you personally.  It's just that I've seen this same thing many times before in the past from different people, and I guess it's like you said, it's the way Maxis set things up.

I played three almost Identical games(kept losing them) and sims play differently everytime you play them.  Cassie was an awesome Mom one of the times and aweful the other times.  This last time, I turned her into a teen and she is completely different(everyone is)she is a wonderful mother and a wonderful wife( to Ty Bubbler if you can believe it).  Brandi didn't really do well till her fourth child then she started rolling wants for them(it's weird when the step father rolls more wants for them than their real mom).  I think the biggest thing that changes Brandi is how long you wait to play her.  She replaces her mommy wants with wants to be friends with sims.  Daniel Pleasant in my game is only in love with Mary Sue and has never strayed.  That sure hadn't happened in other games.  Every game is different no matter how you play it.

I've never really played Pleasantview in the whole time I've owned the game, but on a whim I cloned Dina and Nina and put them into my second custom neighborhood along with Don.  I moved all three into a house with two other CAS sims, and when the three went to visit the Curious Cloned Brothers next door when they moved in...well...let's just say they all had a nice b**** slap fest.  Way to be neighborly.   :D

Also, I put the exact number of personality points for Dina and Nina, but they had different Zodiac signs than what they had in Pleasantview.  Odd.   ???

A lot of Maxis Sims are like that.  If I come across an obnoxous character, I usually make them fit their Zodiac.  They will play better usually.  I love hacks!!!

I've noticed that a lot too.  If you use debug mode to change their personality points in-game, you'll notice the Zodiac sign change from what it was even if you put it back the same as it was.  Also, if I'm not mistaken, Lilith's personality points didn't match her genetic personality shown by the white line underneath.  I guess we are to assume that Daniel or Mary-Sue spent time "encouraging" her, although she has a horrible relationship with them.

I'm never happy with what I've done to Pleasantview, so I keep a backup of it in pristine condition and start fresh whenever I like.  Last time, I turned Nina and Dina into zombies, bought them much worse clothing and made them over with the most garish makeup possible.  What Pleasantview really needed was a couple of zombie hookers, lurching down the street in low-cut leopard print dresses and big curly hairdos.  Usually I just kill Nina and have Dina bear Mortimer's love child, but the results are so unpredictable.  It's either beautiful or a Nose Creature.  I never know what to do with the Pleasants, either.  Maybe I'll make Lilith a Mad Scientist on a mission to weed out the local riffraff with use of the darwincowplant hack.  

Ok, Pleasantview update. I moved Brandi & kids into the Pleasant house after Mary-Sue kicked Daniel out for cheating on her with the maid.  NB Daniel ended up shacking up with Don & they now have a cute son called Damian - they are very affectionate.

Brandi started rolling wants to train Beau in the basic necessities and was telling jokes & stuff to Dustin (who ended up with A+ at private school).  There are more distractions at the Pleasant house than there ever were at the trailer but Brandi got into the whole Mum thing with a vengance [I, Vilia have to confess that Rainbow was right and there was more to Brandi than I initially thought:) ].  I decided to hook Mary-Sue up with a mate and as the Gypsy worked last time, I thought I would give it another go.  She ended up summoning Mr Big & they have 3 bolts for each other - noice.  Brandi ended up with a 2 bolt townie but I think he is definitely a keeper.  She ran off at the start of their date to change the nappy of new bub Justin and the date just wandered in, casually spoke the Simlish equivelant of 'good-oh' and went off to play with Beau.

Lucy Burb & Worthington III became pregnant at uni and after graduating moved back home.  John & Jennifer insisted on a wedding even though Worthington wanted to marry a rich sim.  Lucy wanted to graduate 3 kids from uni so she had 3 in quick succession.  Worthington left all of the kid rearing to Lucy, John & Jennifer and turned to a life of crime to get out of the house.

I'm the same as you Velda - always creating, destroying & starting over.  I've got a separate hood Dead Tree Canyon now where I experiment.  I make all my sims be nice & upstanding members of the community (well most of them) in the maxis hoods & get them all to permaplat but in Dead Tree Canyon anything goes.

I'm afraid that there is a glitch with the LTW of "Graduate 3 kids."  Specifically, they don't always get the want satisfied.  JM says there is a bug with certain LTWs such as this, and it may have to do with the fact that the parent wasn't there to witness the actual graduation.  This was discussed somewhere around here...I know there have been some who experienced this problem.  I'm thinking Ancient Sim was one, but I'm not sure.  But I try to avoid these and reroll them to something else.  As a consequence, most of my family sims end up being Captain Hero to get permaplat unless they can get Celebrity Chef or something else due to the "greater LTW variety" hack.

Brandi was a good mother in my game as well when I played her that way.  She didn't take as much of an interest in her children's lives as some of my other family sims but she was still close with them all.  Skip was a horrible father when I brought him back. I've played Brandi as the "bad" parent once before and she fits the role for sure if you play it that way.  Skip was horrible regardless and if I ever need to reinstall or Pleasantview goes kersplat again I am never bringing him back. I just...didn't like him lol

Groans loudly...I wonder if I invite the mum to all the graduation parties and then she would have it in her memory?  Never mind. I'll reroll the want as I don't want to take a chance.  Thanks for the heads up :)

I think JM said they have to be present when they actually graduate, as in when they come back from their final exam and get the memory of having graduated.

I'll reset to be on the safe side but maybe Maxis will fix it in the new expansion pack  :P

I played the house in which the Caliente sister clones were placed.  Whoever the blonde one is most certainly a b***h and hates Don's guts.   ;D  Oddly enough Don won the next fight after that one, which is amusing...
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hmm, I tried playing Pleasantville when I installed University (recently) and though I'd heard such wonderful things about about it, I found the whole place pretty dull.
Just clicked on a random house, Dreamers, well, they certainly put me to sleep. Tried the infamous Brandi Broke next and decided to make her kids the first to try Uni. I moved in the red head Calliente to help with the bills but she was pretty useless (except she seemed to like the toddlers) Dustin and his kid brothers turned into hideous YA's and I experimented with the Plastic Surgery to make them more interesting. Guess I'm just not good with Maxis Sims.

Well, my Nina is kinda boring, even as the town sort-of hooker, but I think my Dina is cursed. She married Morty Goth, had a daughter with him on their very first woohoo, and they weren't even trying for a baby. Right after their daughter turned into a child she got pregnant again, and again on a regular woohoo (risk is raised a bit via InTeen in my game).  This time, the same night she had the baby the ol' GR came for Morty.  Poor Dina didn't have an easy time of it for the next couple of sim-days -- she had to use some of the money he left to hire a nanny for 8 hour stretches just so she could get some sleep. 

Well, wouldn't you know it -- her daughter is about to become a teen-age mom!  Ophelia had her first woohoo with Jason Burb (Lucy's younger brother, born in-game), in the hot tub, and bang -- morning sickness.  A quick check with InSim showed she was a couple of hours pregnant. Poor Dina's probably going to have to quit her job to take care of her grandkid so Ophelia can go back to school... :o

I wiped out Pleasantview after some tinkering with the Goth kids and the Broke kids.  I used clones of Morty, Bella, Brandi and Skip to make more attractive children.  The Pleasant girls are being left alone because I shudder to think wht Mary Sue's offspring would look like.

Anyway, after making over the Dreamers, Burbs and Pleasants I went into the Caliente house.  Everything was going swell, Dina proposed to Mortimer and he said yes, Nina got her job as a slacker.  Then Don called and asked if Nina wanted to go downtown.  Thinking that this meant some time out from the watchful eye of Dina, I had Nina accept. 

Huuuuuuuge mistake.

I should have known that things had gone to hell when Dina, clad in panties, decided to ride along.  When the taxi arrived at Crypt O'Night Club, guess who should pop of the taxi after Don?  Why none other than Kaylynn the maid followed by Cassandra Goth!  It was, like, totally random.  Right.  So of course something was bound to happen.  Try as I might to keep Nina away from Don, she went in for a "Charm" and thus began a long night of clenched fists, bitch slapping and fisticuffs.  At first the anger was focused on Mr. Lothario (who I've yet to make-over, so he still looks like Ben Affleck circa Chasing Amy) and Cassandra, Kaylynn and Dina all took their turns expressing their hurt.  Then they turned, quite systematically, on Nina.  Is it really Nina's fault that Donny boy has the complete inability to keep the pink hearts out of friendship?  I think not.

Soooo much fun.  At the end of day one everyone's been played except the Lothario house.  Dina is married to Mort, Cassie is engaged to Mr. Dreamer (who is kind of cute once you get him out of the green shades and icky goatee) and I already have plans to have a whole soap opera starring the Burbs and the Brokes.

LOL, I never thought of him looking like Ben Affleck.  He doesn't look that bad to me, but I gave him a makeover just to see what he would look like, and he just didn't look like Don to me.  But Ancient Sim thinks he looks quite sexy in the floppy hairdo...

I agree, the green glasses suck.  I never use them at all.  I gave him some clear lenses, and he looked pretty nice.  The goatee doesn't bother me so much.  But in my second incarnation of Pleasantview, I did try something different with everyone, especially after downloading several new hairstyles that I like. :)  The ones from SimCribbling are quite striking.

I don' think Don needs a makeover - Daniel likes him just the way he is.  An update on my Pleasantview - Lillith & Angela who are now best friends and went to college together where they met the Davis brothers (La Fiesta Tech).  They married a brother each and moved into a house together, popping out 2 kids each.  Now I thought I was doing alright by changing the hairstyles a bit & different clothes but when Aldric failed to get a point boost at the birth of a kid I checked their memories.  It seems that I had been grabbing the wrong Pleasant - both brothers have a kid each by Angela & Lillith (you think they could have told me!).  As I have LizzLove's no jealosy hack I simply didn't notice.  Anyway, I moved Lillith, hubby & kids out so it wouldn't get even more confusing.

Oh my gosh, that is hilarious!  LOL!  I think I might have done some fixing in SimPE if that happened to me. :D

I guess I could but I after I had a good laugh, I figured it would make a great story - how myopia can change your life.

Yeah..."I'm sorry, honey, I didn't mean to cheat on you.  I thought you were your sister!  Why didn't one of you say something?!"  :D