More Awesome Than You!

Good ole Jeff Miguel has bit the dust in Academie land.  I have no idea what happened.  Looking at his memories, it appears he had an accident, then the "I am dead" token.  I missed it totally.  Any clues what "accident" caused his death?  Shouldn't my simmies have reacted to Jeffy's demise in some way?  I didn't think standing in line to casual woohoo with Renee Andrews was that exciting!  (I should've taken pics  ;D)

Seriously, is there anyway to figure out exactly what happened to Jeff?  Curiousity is just killing me.

Hm...maybe he was starving? My sims never react to deaths anymore since I got NL. What colour is his ghost?

Maybe if the queue was outside he got hit by space debris?

You could try looking at the memories of the sims in the queue, it might be there's a clue there!

If a sim has an accident and dies, it usually means he got trapped someplace, peed himself, and starved to death.

^^When I die like that someday...I so want somebody to claim it was an "accident"

*cough*  Carry on :)

I had a nanny with the same issue and she wasnt trapped anywhere when the accident occurred and the Nanny agency had her replacement there as grimmy was standing over her wit the the grims cell phone.

I bet the "accident" caused a high blood preasure, and a heart attack afterwards...:). Especially if the nanny is a neat sim...:).

Ahh! gali! The poor nanny...wait a sec. Nannies are bad...maybe she died of embarrassment.

the nanny in question was Kendal Lawson and I dont know if she was a neatnik or not

If he's a dormie and you have Pescado's totally merciless mod No Uni Invulnerability mod in, basically it means he peed himself and starved to death.  So far I've had about half-a-dozen dormies go that way and only managed to save two (and then by cheating and teleporting in a best friend/lover from elsewhere to do the pleading) because I never even knew the others had died until their tombstones appeared on the edge of the lots.  Grimmy always gets them the second they come back from class - they seem to go several times a day since putting in this mod (I swear they didn't before, although I maybe didn't register it as I wasn't taking much notice of them then) and the game always sends them when they're on the point of starving/wetting themselves/falling asleep, often when they've just started eating/peeing/sleeping. 

He he, Bangel, I was joking...:). I looked at Kendal Lawson personality, and she has only 4 points neat.

But, as lythdan said, she could die from embarrassement ;D ;D

I don't have the No Uni Involnerability Mod in, I checked the memories of everyone else in the dorm (nothing), the tombstone is, in fact, at the edge of the property, so I'm going with he got trapped, peed and died.  If it had been space debris, wouldn't the memory be different?

I have noticed the lovely Renee staying in one place for hours and hours.  She also has a permanent "cheer up" option.  Maybe she'll be next.  I'm going to keep my eyes open, although my boys are now in semester 8.

I will miss Jeff.  Many of my Simmies sent off to Uni had their first woohoo with him.  I'm gonna go check their memories now - maybe somebody is mourning him!

Speed, don't you have a previous saved neighbourhood to restore, and thus get Jeff back?

I think that that's enough to know him, without being friends, to resurrect him. Use the Buyable rewards of Two-Jeffs.

But you need 10,000 simoleons or he won't be perfect!  He might be missing some important bits! ;D

No, you don't.  There's no difference between spending §8414 (I think it's approximately that) and §10,000.  So, if you spend the full §10,000, you're just wasting your Sims hard-earned money.   :P

I  know exactly what you mean! The game is big on killing people while you're not looking.  I have noticed that a Sim can get trapped between those new, stylish chairs.I went to use the resurrection tool that comes with the Inseminator and THEN discovered that somehow Crystal Vu from Strangetown had died.  I'd noticed that she was complaining about being trapped between two chairs, but it seemed so ridiculous, that I really didn't pay any attention.  It was during a wedding party, she got lost in the sauce, the next morning she was already dead from being trapped between those two chairs!  It's hard to know how to take these sort of EA induced disasters.  Did they do this by accident or is this part of some plan to spice up the game and/or weed out the Sims? 

BlueSoup, you're probably right, but I never bothered to find out if you could do it for a bit less - the only sims I've resurrected were the Tricous, who could afford it, and Darleen Dreamer (and one of the Tricous sent Darren the money!)

oh and they are so worth it! Fricorith is one gorgeous goth sim! Sim me is married to him, he's now a vampire and we have loads of kids together.  :D Sorry, I'm off topic but I like the Tricous so much that I couldn't help myself and post something about them when I saw your post. Just don't mind me.  :D

Pescado told us in the chat that it was a bad idea to resurrect the Tricou's since they all had corrupted death memories.

How exactly?  They've worked fine in my game.  But I did edit some of their more obviously faulty memories.

Hang on, I'll try to find the part where he talks about it....

EDIT:  Okay, here it is:

[22:43] Pescado: Guess what nice little bomb I found lurking in the Tricous?
[22:43] Pescado: CORRUPTED DEATH MEMORIES.
[22:44] * Pescado suggests you never resurrect them. :P
[22:44] Pescado: They have double memories of every single one of their dead family members...
[22:44] Pescado: The second invisible one being the corrupted death memory.

I think they were among the things I edited out.  I don't like invisible memories that belong to the sim I'm editing!

Probably a good call.

Well, most sims seem to have these darned invisible memories of something they've already remembered!  just seemed logical they shouldn't have two!  Another thing that really got me in my current (revived) hood, is that Ivy Copur (the adult one) has only the memories she started out with, but some of my sims had wierd memores "Ivy Copur got joined union" amd then "Ivy Copur got married" - and none of them had even met her!  And how could she have both?  Deleted those memories, obviously!

Actually, I do have a saved neighborhood.  Every now and then I back up in case of that big fiery ball thing.  Overall, I take my chances.   If Jeff is dead, Jeff is dead.  If it were that big a deal I would not have saved when I noticed it and found out if he still lived before my last save.  The curiousity thing I did not expect.  Had I known I would not be able to look in Jeff's memories to see what killed him I might have exited w/o saving just to find out.

Ah well.  I played today and never remembered to check if anyone was mourning.  Maybe tomorrow.

You could always clone him in SimPE and bring him back as any sim you want!

what's with invisible memories? how bad are they? i'm a simPE newbie :p

Invisible memories are gossip (what's passed on from other sims, often the pool car/bus driver.

Some invisible memories are important, others aren't.  Some are merely duplicates of the sim's own memories and I think can be safely deleted.  It's who the memory is owned by that's important, I think.

I had DJ Verse die from an overdose of double bass.

She was playing it on the roof of someone else's lot last time I saw her.  I didn't know anything about it until her ghost jumped out at me, then I followed her back to her tombstone.

I've noticed sims get stuck when two stand on the money jar tile - so I suspect that's what happened. The player can't move until they get their cash, but the donor can't give any cash with the player in the way. She must have starved.

I eventually found out where DJ lived, and got a housemate into the secret society to fetch her back as a zombie. It didn't seem right to leave her dead, she kept thinking of babies and moping. Besides, the other sims didn't like being haunted.

If you'd waited until one graduated and went to live in the main hood, they could have resurrected her instead!

They could have, but they'd have to graduate, get a death phone from somewhere, then spend their own money. The secret society was quicker - it's already got a death phone and lots of money, and she can finish uni now.

Could she get to the main neighbourhood though? She's a playable young adult, so normally she'd have had to drop out or graduate in order to leave uni.  If there's a loophole that lets dead young adults turn into live adult graduates without doing any work, that could be handy.

Well, I only know that there are problems resurrecting someone while at Uni.  But maybe if the one you want to resurrect is still there, that's different?  But I made Fricorith Tricou alive, moved him to the students bin, moved him into a house, he stayed there for two semesters and then tried to resurrect his family - he was told he didn't know anyone.  Then I saved, and when i went back to the house, he turned back into a ghost.  During this time, though, he'd made friends with Dustin, so I got Dustin to try to resurrect him - he couldn't do it either, got the same message, that he didn't know anyone that had dies (even though he also knew his father and various grandparents) so he ended up being teleported to the Caliente's lot in Downtown (I'd moved them there as this was a cloned hood) where he was able to resurrect Fricorith, and Fricorith then proceeded to resurrect his family.   However, all the family money was lost since Fricorith was resurrected in Uni.  But there is some kind of problem with Uni recognising death outside it's environs, and even in - as Fricorith was still ostensibly there, and according to simPE he was alive, not unlinked, not a ghost or anything like that.

I see what you mean zephyrzodiac. It sounds more like a design feature than a bug to me.

Moving a sim to university turns a teen into a young adult, leaving turns him or her into an adult.  Young adults can't live off campus, and no other age group can live on it.   The adult professors and staff commute.  I've seen them walking round the main neighbourhood like normal townies. 

That's probably why your sim couldn't resurrect the older sims - they would have had to age transition back to young adult in order to be playable on campus, so the grim reaper couldn't help.  DJ Verse was OK because she was a young adult already. 

I'm not sure why that would turn your sim into a ghost - that does sound odd.. but doesn't the grim reaper threaten to come for a sim who wastes his/her time? 

If you can call a young adult back from the main neighbourhood, I would like to know whether death is counted as dropping out, or as being non-playable.  If the latter, it means sims could spend most of their time at uni playing dead, and then get resurrected by a graduate to get their certificate! ;D

I only got the message from the GR once!  Dustin got it once, and the GR didn't come for him LOL!

I think it was more that, because he wasn't resurrected as a teen exactly, since I did it in SimPE and then moved him directly to campus, the game wasn't sure how to deal with him!  And the odd thing wa that Dustin couldn't resurrect him on campus, but had to go downtown to do it.  Then, after Gvaudouin had been resurrected too, they both ended up, not in the house that Fricorith had rented, Gvaudouin not staying with the Calientes and her family, but both went back to campus to Dustin and Dirk's house!  I was all extremely odd. 

Previously, when I resurrrected Fricorith Downtown and had him resurrect his family, everything worked without a hitch!

sorry to spam the thread, but i have to say thank you to zz :D

Invisible memories aren't bad - they are part of the game.
Corrupted invisble memories are bad.  They need deleting.  You can do that in SimPE.  JM Pescados hacks prevent it happening again - look in The Firing Range

ooh, nice~ which one is it? thanks!

There are several, it depends which memories you want to prevent - but none of them will delete memories already there, you have to do this yourself, with care and patience and a well-oiled click finger!

Just keep your eyes peeled for the squiggly line "cat scratch" talk bubbles. Getting nocorruptdeath should keep it from happening, but if you see that in the game you should go into the memories of both the sims in the conversation in question and delete any memory of a death that doesn't have a little grave stone next to it.

Once, I had a week or so where sims in this one neighborhood kept getting stuck in bathrooms while they were visitors. Two of them died that way. I suspect it had something to do with the cleaning routines of Bathroom Uses You! because if I remember correctly the toilets were dirty at the time. Could have been something else, but that was the only thing I could think of.

And then there was an incident when something was preventing the maid mobile from showing up, so I had this maid stuck on the lot, wandering around, peeing, and crying a lot. It was . . . interesting. Debug mode fixed it, once I got fed up with having some guy in a pink frilly shirt wandering around the house and sleeping in the living room.

Why is it whenever I try debugging, I end up with a bigger problem than I started with?