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Apologize Fix for TS2OFB v1.0p1
Made by: syberspunk

Have you absolutely hated :grrr: the way that the Apologize interaction is backasswards in the game?!? Why should the Sim that was slighted be the one that has to apologize? Shouldn't it be the other way around? If you piss someone off, YOU should apologize! And if someone pisses You off, THEY should apologize! I never understood why this was never Fixed! It's easy enough to do. :P At least I think so. ;) With this mod, sims that have made another sim angry or furious at them will be the ones who have the Apologize interaction. The sims that are Furious or angry should not! (Unless they have reciprocally pissed off the other sim).

:new: I have posted an untested version for Uni and the basegame. Using the older objects.package, I compared the older version of the BHAV and I modified it in a similar fashion as the NL version I made. Theoretically it should work for those who only have the Uni EP or the basegame, and maybe the Holiday Pack. I DO NOT have the Holiday Pack and I have no intention of un/reinstalling just to test this version. Therefore, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! However, it would be nice if you could provide some feedback at least and let me know whether it works or not. The way that Socials are tested has changed since NL and later, and I only got into modding just after the arrival of NL. So I can't say for sure whether this version will definitely work, but just based on the code, it should. :shrug:

The rest of you who have NL or later (OFB, FFS) should download the apologizefix.zip. Nothing has changed in that version, so if you already have it, you don't have to update anything. :)

INSTALLATION:
This MUST be in your Downloads folder, typically found under:

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\My Documents\EA GAMES\The Sims 2\Downloads


Compatibility:
:!!: Nightlife tested and approved. I am not sure if this will work in the base game or the Uni EP because it seems that social interaction/tests have been changed. If the Uni EP and/or the base game with the Holiday Pack included has updated this, it probably will work as well, but I cannot guarantee it. Feel free to test it out as I would appreciate any feedback. :)

:busted: Note: 5/31/2006
The first version posted requires NL or later (OFB, FFS). It will NOT work with Uni, the Holiday Pack, or the original basegame.

I have tested this in my game and it appears to work fine.

This hack is compatible with most, if not all mods by MATY crew (Pescado, TJ, and CBoy), dizzy, and probably more. Again, up to you to help me determine any possible conflicts.


:!!: REMINDER and fine print (to cover my ass ) :
Remember to ALWAYS BACK UP YOUR DATA BEFORE INSTALLING NEW HACKS. By using this hack, you agree to absolve me of any responsibility or liability for any potential loss of or damage to your data. You have been warned.

:!!: HOW TO REPORT: Conflicts, problems, or errors
I would appreciate any constructive criticism and feedback that is actually helpful. With that in mind, it would be helpful, when reporting any conflicts or issues, that you include the following:

1) thorough but reasonably brief description of what you were doing
2) clear, comprehendible explanation of your problem
3) list of hacks that may be related apologizing
4) archived (.rar or .zip) of log produced by error

Posts which do not include a clear description of what your problem is will be pretty much ignored. (i.e. posts such as "This does not work! I am taking it out! You suck! Nice try! etc.") I can't and won't help you if you don't explain what's wrong.

Please be nice when trying to explain your problem and I might be nice and help you.

:grouphug: Finally, my Thank Yous go to:

J.M. Pescado, twojeffs, dizzy2, and jase439 for being excellent tutors and providing excellent models in their mods. As always, thanks to those creators who've put out some excellent modding tutorials, Quaxi and co for SimPE, and dizzy2 for disaSim2, and the finally letters T and S, and the number 2, all of whom, without which this mod would not be possible.

If I left anyone out, I apologize in advance. You know who you are and you deserve my thanks.

As you can see from the pictures below, the first one shows the female Sim who, from her "side" of the relationship, is fine with her husband. Upon clicking on her husband, the Apologize option appears because she has made him Furious.

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c237/syberspunk/TS2%20mods/apologizefix/apologizefix4edit.jpg)

In the next picture, you can see in the relationships panel that the husband is indeed Furious with his wife. However, since his wife is not mad at him, upon clicking on the wife, the Apologize interaction does not show up, which makes sense. :P

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c237/syberspunk/TS2%20mods/apologizefix/apologizefix2edit.jpg)

 After using the Sim Modder boolprop cheat tool to make his wife mad at him, the Apologize option Now appears as it should. I forgot to take a pic of the wife from her side, so you could see that the relationship reflects how the interactions should work. But you can see this "in game" for yourself. The Apologize interaction should appear only on a sim that you have pissed off, either by making them Furious, or the relationship is negative. Please test and play and provide any feedback if somehthing does not work as it should. I haven't tested every possible scenario, so if something manages to slip my attention, please let me know.

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c237/syberspunk/TS2%20mods/apologizefix/apologizefix3edit.jpg)

My God!  I was wondering when someone would fix that.  Thank you sooo much.
I'll test this and make sure it plays nicely with my other hacks.

Syberpunk, she is married to the wrong sim...:) - 1 bolt is not enough, they need 3 bolts to be the perfect match...:). *tries to be a jipsy*

Thanks for the hack.

Thank you, this is great! :D

*twojeffs kicks Inge

 :P

Good job Syber, this has been on my list of things to do for like..forever.

I want the hack that lets the baby standup.  ;)

That sounds like a welcome addition (correction) to our game.

Any chance apologizing could be made to influence the state of furiousness, as in accelerating the furious state decay or something like that.  That would make a lot of sense that apologizing has an impact on how furious someone is.  At least it does to me :)

I was always under the impression that it did do that. I was messing with the furious state while I had a problem with a Sim; I'd accidentally removed his furious token in his memories and he was being jumpy, so I set him as furious with her again using testingcheats. I had him apologize to the one he was furious with several times to attempt to get rid of it faster, and he did end up going from -100/-100 to around 50/20 in quite a short time.

However, I have noticed that some furiousness goes away quicker than others. (One Sim that was part of a romancemod-less threesome after NL "caught" her two lovers with each other, but the furious went away faster with one than with the other), so it's possible that setting it with testingcheats was the "lightly furious" anyway, and so apologizing didn't actually help that much.

Inge, you beat me to it.  ;D

I'll have to try this out! Thank you ever so much  ;D

I have a romance sim that still has a few other sims that are pissed off at her so I can have her apologize now an see how it works :)


/slightly off topic

On seeing those pics I've realized I must have a hack conflict somewhere cause "Groom" does not show up for me anymore! I had forgotten that option even existed *laughs*  Anyone have any clue what hack could be affecting it? if not then one of these days I'll have to figure out which of the (app.) 129 hacks I have are causing it  ::)

Thanks for this Syberspunk :)

I'm not sure if this is a hack conflict or not.  I know it shows up for some sims and not others.  I believe it shows up for sims who are flagged as family, but married couples are set as family, and I seem to remember some having it.  I'll have to pay more attention.  It's kind of like some in-laws can have romantic actions in one direction, but not vice-versa.  Weird.

rainbow, I did check my hacks and it turned out that there was no conflict *laughs* 

Groom seems to work very oddly, I tested with a married couple and the wife usually had it available after one backrub, yet the husband usually had to do a backrub twice to get it to show up... wonder if it's a bug or feature that makes it work so oddly  ::)



syberspunk, I love this hack! it works great and I so love seeing my sims apologize to another they have pissed off, without me telling them to  :D

I must chime in and say "me too!"  I just tried this hack tonight, and it seems to work great.  I had a romance sim get caught cheating by one of his lovers, and after he got slapped silly, I was able to get him to go over and apologize. 

This comes at just the right time! I have a male Sim who got caught by his wife, being kissed autonomously by an old Townie girlfriend. The wife having to apologize to her husband made NO SENSE whatsoever. And he's furious at her? For what???

So, this won't fix the furiousness, but at least HE'S the only one who'll have to apologize, now!

(Townie girlfriend must die...)

I've found that the cheater doesn't get furious at the cheatee if you can intercept the slapfest before it starts. *grin* They don't get mad for getting caught, but they do when they're smacked for it.

They apparently work undercover for the government. (and thank you!)

What Rainbow said. I also think it has to do with a sim's hygiene level. 'Groom' only shows up if hygiene is low enough, and grooming boost the hygiene bar a little. That's what I use sometimes for relatives of sims who couldn't use the bathroom to shower.

Anyone know if this one is working with OFB?


*loves this one too*

Here goes... :)

*is crossing her fingers*

It seems to be working great in my game! I had some unexpected drama happen - A sim seduced a college student, who ended up being her daughter's boyfriend because I forgot who all she had woohooed. Anyhow, since I don't like playing a bunch of lots they all live together, so of course she autonomously goes up and smooches him in front of her daughter right after they got married. Yikes. Anyhow, the poor boy was autonomously apologizing to his new and very angry wife, and I could choose the option myself.

I then did something stupid and had to replace the neighborhood from a pre-drama, pre-OFB backup. No big loss, the girl looked like she was going to stay furious at him until they were halfway to elder, apology or no - but she was barely grumpy with her mother. Sheesh.

Haha. Interesting story and thanks for the report. It's too bad that the furious code or whatever causes sims to sometimes focus on the "wrong" party. I would think, well realistically, the sim should be furious with the initiator and not the recipient. Well, she could be a little mad at the recipient, but moreso at the initiator, especially when the iniator is so bold as to do it right in front of her face. :P

I wonder if that could somehow be fixed by the romancemod? It might be too messy though, and we already know what a tangled web the jealousy code is. ::) Oh well. I don't even know if this is "fixable" but it would be nice if that were a tad more realistic. I'm surprised that your sim didn't get furious at both parties? Or was she, but she just happened to seem to be more mad at her spouse?

Ste

Hehe, maybe she was thinking, "I expect this behavior from my mother, but you!  You're my husband!  I expected better from you!"  :D

*L* Maybe! When she was a teen, she never seemed very surprised when her mother dragged home yet another man. Unsurprisingly it was her grandparents who mostly took care of her when they were alive.

The girl was furious with her mom, but the relationship didn't take as big of a drop and the furiousness went away in two sim days even though they didn't interact at all. Her furious meter was still more than 2/3 of the way full and even though he had been apologizing like mad and interacting with her, it took 3 sim days to get their daily relationship over 50 and their daily was still in the -30s. It was sad because they both had 'have a baby' wants but the girl wouldn't accept so much as a wolf whistle from her husband - and had a persistant fear of catching him cheating afterwards.

Oddly, the mom's boyfriend (who also lives there) was also really pissed at the daughter's husband but barely mad at his girlfriend - their relationship recovered so fast that they could woohoo that evening, despite furiousness, and he's a family sim!

But then I did something monumentally stupid and had to restore a backup! It's all for the best, really, the drama is interesting to write about but it was a pain in the ass to play afterwards. After I restored, I used testing cheats to drag the boy's relationship with her mother down and then had him argue with her - after I crossed a few attempts to flirt with him out of her queue, damn woman. Boing! No more crush.  ;D I may have to change her to Cheese for punishment, I made her family and she's worse than she ever was as romance, with the added bonus *groan* of having three lightning bolts for her daughter's husband. At least he is more interested than his wife than his wife's mom, lightning bolts or no.  ::)

I know what you mean.  They won't sleep in the same bed, so you either have to buy another bed or juggle family members around, or make them sleep on the couch which really doesn't do much for energy.  You have to decide whether you want them to work it out or break up, and working it out takes a long time. :-\

And I didn't want them to break up because the girl is hardly interested in ANYONE. She makes friends well enough if I push her, but she has low interest in other people, even for a Knowledge sim, which is strange because she has 7 or 8 in outgoing. Once she found this guy I was relieved there would be a chance the family would carry on... forgetting that her mom had already woohooed the boy. She's a little more interested in other people now that she's an adult, but I have a feeling I'd be hard-pressed to come up with anyone else that she cared for that her mom hadn't woohooed. Her mom wasn't especially prolific with the woohoo acquisition - I guess they just have similar tastes in men!

Like mother like daughter, huh?  ::)

Are you going to reup this hack?  If so, is it ready for OFB?  Thanks!

Whoops. Forgot to reattach the file. Should be there now. It was ready for OFB as of p0, but I haven't installed p1 yet. I plan to do that soon, probably later today. I'm currently working on a mini joint project, modifying pinhead's move-in all hack. So, probably when I'm done ironing that out, I'll update and check my hacks later today.

Ste

Okie-doke, no hurry.  :)  Thanks!

As per xogatorsoftballxo's post over on MTS2, I decided to make a version that is backwards compatible with Uni and the basegame. Please note the following:

I have posted an untested version for Uni and the basegame. Using the older objects.package, I compared the older version of the BHAV and I modified it in a similar fashion as the NL version I made. Theoretically it should work for those who only have the Uni EP or the basegame, and maybe the Holiday Pack. I DO NOT have the Holiday Pack and I have no intention of un/reinstalling just to test this version. Therefore, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! However, it would be nice if you could provide some feedback at least and let me know whether it works or not. The way that Socials are tested has changed since NL and later, and I only got into modding just after the arrival of NL. So I can't say for sure whether this version will definitely work, but just based on the code, it should. :shrug:

Hope it works for you.

Ste

I don't know if you've gotten confirmation yet or not that your untested version works with Uni, but I just tested it with my game (only the base game plus Uni), and it seems to work perfectly.

Has this been checked for Pets compatibility?

yes it has, it's fine and dosen't need to be updated  :)

Just to make sure, is this Seasons compatible?

I'm having a conflict between this hack and your renuyuorbltwhack in Bon Voayge. I have all EPs and SPs.

I had my sim book a vacation on the phone, and after he hung up he whipped out a love potion and drank it. As far as I know he didn't have a potion in his inventory, and I didn't tell him to do it, he took it himself. The potion action image also 'overtook' the book vacation image like this (http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/578/0111092007054335iu9.png). He ended up taking the potions twice more, and both of those times the potion taking "took over" other queued up actions. He wanted to play with the cat, but the cat was eating and so he drank the potion (and still had "play with cat" as the text) and he also wanted to hug his son, but he was talking to the grandfather and so out came the potion (with text "hug").

I spent six hours trying to narrow down the problem -.- and I came up with it only happening with both this hack and the renyu one when together. Nothing bad seemed to happen, though I didn't play much further than the potion taking before I closed and tried again with other hacks.

Oddly, I had these two hacks in my game before playing in my regular hood which I've only just put in my game. I was just fiddling around with the BV Traveller family in Strangetown, and I didn't notice this problem happen at all :/

Error log is attached (and I hope I did it right!)

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Ok.  I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. :P  So, I removed all my hacks and only left the two hacks you mentioned (apologizefix and renuyuorbltwhack).  I went into the game, created a completely clean/new/fresh neighborhood.  Added a house, moved the Travellers in, and had them book a vacation.  I did not receive any errors at all.  The sim was able to book the vacation and afterwards, he just wandered around like the regular idiot that he was.  No love potion looping.  And certainly no error as shown in your log.

Looking at your error log... it is unclear to me whether this is something that you forced an error yourself, or if the game threw up an error on it's own.  I would scan your downloads folder and see if you have any other sneaky hacks hiding about.  You could try posting your error log in the Oops... you brokei t forum, but I suspect that Pescado would tell you it's the work of the non-awesome. *shrugs*


Ste

The weird thing is though, is that it wasn't happening when I was just fiddling with the new EP in Strangetown, it only occured when I put my regular hood in game and started playing that. All the same hacks were in my game when I was playing the Traveller family, and playing n my regular hood.

All my hacks are in the one folder, I've only just cleaned them out pre-BV and I check for nasties constanty anyway. I only had those two hacks in when it happened (as I was testing all hacks; taking them in and out and those two were the combintion setting it off).

I did however notice when taking them out so I could actually play my hood without worrying about a never-ending supply of Love Potion, is that my sim does have the Love Potion in his inventory, if that could be the contributing factor, as none of the Traveller family had the Love Potion and nor do any of my other current sims and they never had the problem - only the one with the potion in inventory :/

Ok.  I am thoroughly confused by your post due to the derth of punctuation. :P

Are you saying this problem ocurreted with the Traveller family in your regular hood, even though they did not have a potion in their invetnory?  Or... are you now saying that you managed to isolate the incident to only a sim who actually had a potion in their inventory?

According to your error log, some sim named Fabio is the one who is trying to use the Love Potion.

Neither of those hacks (apologize fix or renuyuorbltw) should change anything involved with Love Potions or the Inventory, as far as I know.

If you can't find any other sneaky hacks, I would suggest trying to delete the love potion, have your sim repurchase it, and see if you continue to have problems. :-\


Ste

Nothing happened with those hacks when playing with the Traveller family. All the hacks I use were fine with the Travellers, so I decided to put my regular hood in. Fabio, the sim having the problem, has one Love Potion in his inventory (which I doubled checked when I started actually playing) and is the only one having the problem.  I didn't tell him to use the love potions, he did it all by himself when the actions he had queued up were finised or busy (finished booking a vacation - drank a potion; wanted to play cat teaser but cat was eating so he drank a potion; was going to give son a hug but son was talking to someone else so he drank a potion). I don't think drinking three potions can happen when he only has one...

When having both or even just one of the hacks out he doesn't take any potions.

It confused me because it wasn't happening with the other sims, so I can only guess that it was only happening to him because he had the potion and the others didn't. I'll test it out on some other sims and see what happens next time I'm in game.

That seems really odd that either of these hacks would affect inventories and/or love potions.  Defniitely check what happens to other sims when you buy love potions for them.  Also, check what happens when you delete the potion that Fabio has and buy a totally new one.


It could be possible that the apologizefix might cause issues.  I may have to look further into it, but it just seems unlikely to me.

I'm not sure how the renuyu orb hack would cause this problem tho.  As far as I can tell, my hack should only add two new options to the renuyu orb object itself: 1) reroll LTW and 2) recharge asp (which is already included in Pescado's asprecharge hack anyways, but I stole borrowed it, so at least it would be there for anyone who doesn't use that hack).

The Test BHAVs should be non autonomous, so... even if the renuyu orb code was kinda borking the love potions... it shouldn't be causing a sim to autonomously attempt those interactions. ???


I can only guess that the problem you are having could be unrelated and just sadorandomly coincidental with having the hacks in your game?  I will try and test this scenario shortly by using the Traveller family and purchasing a love potion, to see what happens.


Ste

ETA:  Ok, I just quickly tested it.  I went into the game, had the Traveller father call up a gypsy, purchase a Love Potion, and then book a Vacation.  No weird Love Potion related looping...

Of course, this isn't exactly a thorough test and doesn't completely rule out the possibility that my hacks aren't causing a problem, but again, it just seems unlikely, since neither hack should affect Love Potions or the inventory system...

When you check your Fabio sim, does he actually have any sims on the lot that he has a negative/low relationship with that he would try to apologize too?  That would be the only thing I could think of, where he would autonomously attempt to apologize to that sim, but maybe something is screwing up and switching that object id (of the sim) for the object id of the Love Potion.  It's a bit of a stretch, but the only thing that makes me think it could be a possible problem.  Otherwise, it seems like it is either related to some other hack or that your sim or the Love Potion your sim is carrying is borked somehow. :=\

I tested it out on the Travellers, with just those two hacks, and nothing happened. Went back into my hood, and nothing happened :o I still have the backup of my neighbourhood which starts right at the point I was having the problem, so when I'm not too lazy I'll fiddle around again. The only thing I can think of is that right at that very moment in my game there was some kind of glitch, or something, that conflicted with those two hacks  :-[

Hmm, he did have two kids that he hadn't spent much time with at the time. I'm not sure what the relationship level was so when I put the backup back in, I'll check. Because I've moved my game along from that point, the family went on a vacation and on coming back he spent a lot more time with his kids, which would have raised it  :-\

Which it can't be since I've said 2348345889 times that I didn't have any other hacks in game, because I didn't. I may have a low post count on this site, but I'm not a n00b  ;)

Which is, as I said only a bajillion times ;) it is very unlikely that those two hacks would cause a conflict that resulted in your looping issue.  Neither of them touch code that is related to the Love Potion or the Inventory. *shrugs*


Yeah.  That was a stretch anyways, so it seems very unlikely.  Apologize, I believe would only be autonomous if the relationship was really low, as in negative.


I suppose that could be true, but even non n00bs have been known to exhibit n00bish behaviour.  Hacks could possibly sneak into folders other than Downloads.  I vaguely recall reading about other peeps finding hacks in other folders they didn't expect to find stuff in.  So you can never be too sure.  I mean, you're the one that's having the problem, right?  And I'm not... and I can only be certain of my own configuration and/or file management.  I can't assume that everyone knows about the pheverstool or the paladintool.  So I tend to err on the side of caution.

In anycase, the game itself can have weird, sadorandom looping stuff.  If it doesn't seem to happen anymore, or the problem is not consistently reproducible within the same environment/configuration, then I would chalk it up to a random fluke and hope it never happens again. :P

Anyhew, if I ever do experience this bug, you can rest assured that I'll update any of my hacks, if they turn out to be the culprit. :)


Ste