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Does being taught to study effect the speed with which a Sim learns skill from a book? I know that it makes Sims finish homework and assignments faster, just wanted to know if school work was all it effected.

As far as I know, learning to study only affects the speed of doing homework, not learning other skills.

What does learning to study mean anyway? How does a sim learn it?

An older sim has to help them with their homework.

Learning to study affects the completion time of Homeworks and possibly Uni Assignments, roughly doubling the base rate of completion.

ok, thanks  :)
I can hardly ever be bothered to let anyone help with the homework, but apparently it is useful so I will do it in the future.. good thing to know.

Thank you JM and IgnorantBliss :D I am 90% sure that  leaning to study does affect the completion time of Uni Assignments. My student always seem to finish their assignment faster then their fellow dormies.

I also noticed that university students can teach each other how to study. Just have a fellow student help you with assignments.

What's rather silly is that students with no homework skill can help others to study.  You can even take control of a dormie and they can teach someone to study.  That seems a bit silly to me.

Maybe it's just one of those things they eventually figure out on their own, I mean, I have a Sim that I didn't bother to potty train, yet they managed to teach their kids (heh heh)
I wish depriving Sims of training would actually impede their lives, it would be better if a Sim never taught to study could never get an A+ regardless of how hard they tried. (there would actually be a point to training them)

And a Sim never potty-trained would never use the toilet? They'd be perfect for the email challenge -- they wouldn't even know what they were missing.

Oooh... that would be very neat!

It would be cool if those things really did make a difference. I like that idea that you can't get an A+ if you've never learned to study.

I think Inge has a bed wetting hack, where sims who never learned to potty can wet their beds. I think it is only compatible for Uni. I downloaded it, but I was reluctant to try it, for fear of my game going 'splodie, because it adds a customized memory. I'm phear game 'sploidies due to memory. But maybe it wouldn't be so bad now that I've started from scratch and Maxis has upped the iteration number. :P

Hopefully Inge might be able to update that hack for NL as well? (I did not see the NL icon for it on ingelogical site).

It would also be cool if the sims who were never taught to walk were the only ones that have that lazy YA shuffle. Or maybe it works as a factor into running. If they never learned to walk, then they can't run?

And maybe, sims who never learned to talk should be a bit more shy? and/or their social decay is slower? Or perhaps something like they can never "learn" to freestyle, or they will always be awful singers no matter how much they do karaoke? Or maybe their skillling on karaoke improves at a much more reduced rate?

I would really like to see that. Then, it makes it a bit more of a challenge, that you actually would bother playing with and teaching toddlers.

Ste

Exactly along the lines of what I was thinking, a point to training them.

When I would create a CAS family with teens, I knew they had to learn to study and I hated it cause few asked for it and it seemed silly for a teen to sit there like a little kid but now the InSIMenator  has a hidden skill option for homework and you can give it to all the townies and Unies that never learned.  Like, how could you get into college and never learn to study??  Well, I guess it does happen all the time ;D

Believe you me, as a TA, I have been made painfully aware of just how badly and often this happens. :P I wish I could have a hack to instantaneously give my students the memory of having learned how to study. ::)

Ste

I don't think learning to study is all there is to it. Nobody ever sat me down and specifically said, "this is how you study", and I have terrible study habits, but my grades are still great nonetheless. Natural ability does have something to do w/ it. Maybe some kids are just sort of...soft in the noggin?

And although the idea of a "purpose" to training is interesting, it's kind of unrealistic...In RL, teaching kids do help them do things earlier, but pple do eventually pick up on their own.

Most the toddler attributes are, in fact, largely innate to people, and often animals. Housebreaking is really more a process of teaching what shouldn't be peed on than what should be, and people will eventually get tired of peeing on themselves. Except maybe Brynne.

That's how it worked with my dog. Basically just impress upon him that the bed is a bad place to pee. And kids more or less teach themselves to talk, by being around talking people. Not quite sure about walking; I think it involves a bit more parental involvement.

I have no study habits. None. Nada. Zip. And my test scores are still pretty good. Homework is another story, but for that I blame the Sims.

I'm not so sure. My grandson is at the "just ready to start crawling any day now" stage - which means he pushes up on his hands and knees and rocks back and forth. No one taught him that - it must be instictive. But what an odd thing to be instinct, isn't it?

All you people who are doing well with no study skills - have you reached college-level yet? Personally, I think it doesn't matter much if you study, until college (or even for the first couple of years at college-level, depending) but after that it does begin to be important and actually the brighter kids who never needed to do any work in high school have a harder time at that point.

Hahahahahahaha

I'll say it again. Peeing myself...not funny. Seeing you pee...funny.

I'm in my first yr of college, and I actually have a 4.0 right now. And yet I procrastinate sooooooo much. Usually I study the night b4 an exam. Like I said, BAD study habits. But I think part of it is also the school. The school I'm going to pretty much gave me a full scholarship, so I figured I'd spend money on my graduate education and not have to worry about paying off the money for undergrad. But this school is no challenge at all! Which is prolly why I'm breezing thru it so easily. That's why I'm actually considering transferring, maybe to an ivy or something. In those schools, I'll prolly have to shape up some. But even in those schools some pple prolly don't have to try. In my AP Physics class in HS, when most of the the class was struggling to keep up, there were kids that would play calculator games in class and still end up w/ a 95-100 avg. And I actually went to a school for the academically gifted, which was VERY fast paced and rigorous, and AP Physics was an uber-difficult class among the difficult classes, and still they breezed right thru it. *sigh* Lucky bastards.

You only have to help them once.  Then they have learned the skill and do fine on their own.  You keep getting the option to "help with homework", but there's no point.  At least I think that's right?!? 

Just checking again - My sims always get the icon pop up after exactly 1 lot of homework.  I've never seen it take more or less time - is that how it's written?   Again just checking -  I guess all the info on the Official board about having either sim wear a knowledge helmet  or having a knowledge sim doing the teaching is utter rubbish

I'm just glad Sims don't pee on each other. It's bad enough that I just found out Ricky Martin likes it.

Ewwwww...
Seriously?
EWWWWWWWWW

I seem to think it goes much faster with someone helping them even if they've already learned the study skill, and it seems more fun. (or at least less un-fun) I also have a feeling that it goes slightly faster for a teen wearing a thinking cap, but I'd have to check on that.

I guess I could test it myself - I just haven't the patience to note the time they started and the attention span to be there when they finish so I can note that time - well not for umpteen iterations with different combinations.  Then I wonder if something else is involved like mood.  Then I think Ahah -  wouldn't it be easier to ask someone who has read the code!

I think children (human) who aren't taught to walk do learn for themselves - I know from what my sister said that my niece learned to climb at an age when mum and dad didn't even know she could stand up!  Went missing one day - my sister had gone into the kitchen and when she came back, no kid!  finally discovered her on a shelf among the records!

My mother in law always says "you teach the first one, do your best with the second, but the third one brings themself up!" or something along those lines.  Her second didn't bother talking properly til big brother went off to school and wasn't there to explaine what no2 wanted.

I agree, my brother's firstborn never escaped the crib and though he had tons of people trying to teach him to walk, he didn't bother till he was darn good and ready,
his brother (who nobody had spent that time on) was climbing out of his crib and walking around coffee tables at 9-10 months old. They'll figure it out when they're ready (as soon as something interesting enough motivates them to)

Yes, walking is pretty much innate.

Kids learn it when they have sufficant motivation.

Which could be exactly the kind of motivaton you don't want them getting into! Like a box of dirt.

Or a toilet!  And there's no Fix out there for human kids if someone forgets and leaves the bathroom door open!

I was watching my brother's kids (4 and 15 months) and we were making cookies. The baby disappeared around the corner and I could hear him giggling. It took me a second to find him in the bathroom but I was completely stunned to find him playing in the toilet. I've been around dozens of babies and toddlers but I'd never before seen one do that in my life! It was hilarious.

Sure he's real and not a sim? ;D

It also has to with the maturity of their nervous system. Their brain has to be up to a certain level of development before learning complex motor and other skills is possible. The brain is still not done with its development at the time of birth, but physical changes happen in the brain long after we're born at the same time we learn new skills.

True, and as a one-time teacher, I can testify to the fact that development of these abilities varies enormously, particularly in relation to the sex of the child.  Boys generally learn the motor skills for physical activity earlier than girls, whereas girls are better with fine motor skills (I suppose in terms of early man this was a necessary division of labour!) but when you teach older boys verging on teenage, they generally catch up the girls in the fine motor areas, and girls usually become more physically adventurous as they get older - but I think that's partly due to the fact that these days girls are encouraged in areas like sport whereas in the past it was considered "unladylike" to run etc.