More Awesome Than You!

TSR has doxed you! Your name may be on this list (http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/?p=858) and for some of you, it is. BEWARE! Remember, people: DON'T GIVE DOX TO TSR. Don't give dox to ANYONE! Don't even put your dox on your computer! Remember, the INTERNET IS ANTIMATTER.

I recognise quite a few of those names. TSR's evil knows no bounds.

Speaking of MUSHROOMS, where has the MUSHROOM been and where is PROJECT MUSHROOM?

Nuh-uh! Did not!

Neener neener to you, TSR!

Well i see i'm on their lovely pirate list. At this point in the game i don't give a crap anymore. TSR can bite me!

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac163/witchboy1962/Smileys/Whatever/SuckIt.gif)

Now wheres my cookies dammit!

So, apparently merely posting on PMDB is enough to warrant being named and shamed on that list (I'm on there too). Must be, because I don't use payshit in my games full stop.

Remember folks, Thomas sucks Atwat's tits and SHAKESHAFT IS STILL A DIRTY THIEF.

This doesn't shock me.

But I do however wonder what affect this has on anything? What's the disadvantages to this 'list' and how is it stopping people from stealing their turds downloads anyway?

Not a clue. Doxing is bad, though. You don't want weird psychos from the Internet getting your dox. Remember, no two people are not axe murderers.

I was wondering as I am also on the list...if the effect isn't really detrimental, I won't worry myself about it too much. Still, psychos with my info would make me a little nervous.
I had an inkling they knew when all the ads and pop ups had something to do with pirates. I kind of expected my name to be on there.

Did you sign this petition early this year? http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?EANOTOK1

That is how TSR got your details. The petition was hacked shortly after it went live but the perpetrator was never found. Now atwat's come forward with a list of 615 names?

This is the theory currently running over at GOS. Allthough the petition now shows 629 names (it's still open and can still be signed), it's more than likely that at the time it was hacked, it contained 615 names. Also, Coconut mentioned that there were some comments aimed at EA next to the names and email addresses. I remember having the option of adding additional comments when I signed it, so what she's seeing could be those comments.

I'm thinking it is the petition. I'm not on the list. Waiting for Coconut's confirmation, but I only go by two names online and neither one or any part of them are on them. Steve, Thomas, and DOT well know that I've been a member of PMBD in the past and am file-share friendly. I've posted about it in their forums, been replied to by Steve, and had a few PMs thrown around between DOT and I. I also subscribed there for a year (never shared the files from that subscription, but then they aren't known for giving a shit about facts or integrity).

Petitions...dudes. This is why you never give your address online. Why should you put your real address on a meaningless, ineffective e-petition?

Has there ever, in the history of that site, been an effective e-petition?

That's exactly why I didn't sign it.  As if EA would actually give a damn for once.  Ha.

I'm still scraping together bits of information to try and understand the bigger image.  I'm really interested in hearing more about how Atwat was sacked.  I almost see this being something like a list of "suspect pirates" that she got a hold of and decided to make it in to something else.  Then she got her ass fired over it.  Too bad for Tomass; I doubt even an apology to everyone on the list will bring back the business he lost over this.  Of course he wouldn't apologize anyway.  Lying son of bitch always tries to cover his tracks.

When this info went around the first time, I tried to find a way to delete my account. Today I tried to find out if an account still existed on TSR for me. It does but it's for an email I used years ago - that isn't in my real name anyway. There is no profile page I can discover, nor a way to delete the account. It was probably a stupid idea to logon in the wake of this news, but then a dead email account isn't much of a risk.

Oh, the Soup's stupid petition? I TOTALLY signed that with a fake name.

I am astounded. Not that The Sims Retards would do this, but that any person would sign an e-petition with his or her real name. That is really stupid. E-petitions never work anyway.

Well, the petition's closed now.  I'm sure the 14 people who didn't get doxed are somewhat relieved.

Aye. Lolly Katz, Shiv Gorilla and Kilgore Trout were all eager to support the Soup. I forget what online handles I gave them.

I'm on the list. So what exactly does it mean? Are they going to sell our info to spammers?

I'm not on their list. Maybe I lucked out? I've been using TSR for years now and never had a mishap...not even ONE pop-up. Not sure how I managed to luck out and so many others didn't. Is it possible my computer doesn't recognize bullshit? Lol.

TSR has released a news item on this issue, and plan to command their battlefield of lolyers to investigate this "libel":


I have nowhere seen that anyone said that this list was leaked from the TSR database? Coconut's words on this, and I quote:

First:
THEN

Looks to me like they're trying to deflect attention away from the issue by saying "Well, it didn't come from our database, so of course we couldn't have done it, and now we'll sue the pants of you for saying that we leaked our database!" which was, in fact, never even said, while conveniently ignoring the actual accusation: TSR (or someone high up, working for them) hacked into an online petition, which is where the names come from, and then distributed those names with malicious intent!

Stupid TSR is stupid.

So the Soup is the ultimate Heffalump trap builder? WHO KNEW?

I know! This is totally shocking and could never have been predicted, even by people who told her at the time that it was a) stupid and b) likely to get hacked for info by Thoma$.

I still find it very suspicious that Blue Soup isn't on the list.  Wasn't she #1?

BlueSoup is on the list. She is just not listed as BlueSoup there, because BLUESOUP HAS A FAT HEAD.

My info is there and the only way they got it is from TSR. It doesn't matter as it isn't my real info anyway but I still think it is rude.

Thomas made it quite clear to me in a private MSN chat that TSR had authorised the passing of personal user details to TSR creators, and that he felt it was completely justified.  That is how they got to Dot, ATWA etc.    I don't know whether he told them to publish them onwards, or if they made that decision for themselves.

Well, I am on the list. The info is an old e-mail that doesn't have anything personal on it, the info on it is wrong, like 5 yrs old. I just want to know how I can be a pirate when I have never had a subscription with them, just signed a stupid petition. What is it with these people, you can't publicly be in disagreement with them?

TSR is probably looking for new ways to get people to stop file sharing, since having everyone's mediafire accounts banned only made people start torrenting their stuff on TPB where TSR can not get it removed, they must be really pissed...no matter what they do they will never stop the file sharing.
I am not on that list, and I didn't sign the petition, but I never use real info on the interwebz.

It's never going to work, though. Companies with far more money and far stronger legal positions have failed to stop filesharing, and there's no chance in hell TSR can manage it.

Since TS3's EULA condones sharing of CC they have no leg to stand on anyways.  Every justification they use is bull.  I'm just relieved I no longer feel the need to go that virus infested crap hole anymore.  The only FA's I ever followed were Cashcraft and Cyclonesue.  The rest of them just keep getting worse.

Inge, Would you be willing to elaborate on your conversation with Thomas? No matter how I look at it I cannot come up with a logically justified reason for him to spread around that information, especially since it is not his information to spread around. It was not public and no one on that list gave permission for him nor anyone else on TSR to see it.

Coconut made a new post which looked at TSR's privacy policy to show what they do, and don't, guarantee.

http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/?p=874

I haven't been active in the community for years now. But someone emailed me and informed me that I had the honour of making it to that list.
The really funny thing though is, that while I did create a TSR account back in TS1 days, I have never even once subscribed to that site, so what the heck am I supposed to have shared?
My guess is that my name made it to that list since TSR on a regulare basis have stole my stuff and had members post it as their creations in the past, and when I have told them about it and asked to have my stuff removed, or at least be given credit, I have been meet with defening silence at best, or rude replies that there's no way to prove that the suff is created by me.

Anyway, only thing to do about this, is to point my finger and laugh at them. Do anyone really take them seriously anymore, besides themselves I mean?

That gave me a nice case of the roffles: "You can totally trust us because we say you can. No, srsly!"

I think that Privacy Statement is pretty standard, the issue comes from liability and TSR shown again and again they have no control over their staff.

One thing is when someone from EA leaks information as that person is employed at EA with a contract were there will be a liability damage clause so all damage will be paid by that person.

TSR on the other hand ... I doubt they have contracts with their staff, at least LEGAL contracts (not verbal contracts) so they can run amok without a care in the world, in fact that seems how A TAWT acts since every time there is stupid from TSR it comes from her.

We have a very simple privacy policy here: "Don't ask, don't tell.". We simply don't ask for it, so it's not like we could give it up even if threatened with painful death. That's a REAL privacy policy. Everything else is worthless.

On the other hand this seems to be information coming from hacking PettitionOnline and put up for reasons beyond human, subhuman, unhuman and bestial understanding.

What the hell were they going to do? go to EA with the names and Email addresses from that petition and ask then to do what? its not as if EA cares about TSR anyway despite their illusions about that.

It makes no sense, it seems Thomas spends a lot of time to clean up A TWAT messes because she is special and unless she allows him to stick it in her pooper on a regular basis I cannot understand why the hell he puts up with that crap.

But don't you understand? With fake names and web-based emails, EA can put a stop to piracy for good! We're all doomed! DOOMED, I say!

By the way do you specifically block real-sounding emails?  I am not terribly concerned about online privacy (probably because I've never had a problem in all the >10 years I've been online and giving out real info), maybe I should start being concerned, but anyway....

When I tried to sign up with this site it took me like an hour because it kept refusing me, saying I look like a bot, or I haven't answered the questions correctly.  I was concerned that my Monty Python knowledge was failing me, so I googled as much as I could and could not come up with any other possible answers.  Finally, on a hunch, I decided to change my email, and suddenly it let me register.

This is especially lulzy if one actually READS their "privacy" policy (or the Cocunut post (http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/?p=874) about it).

Yes, the situation arose from the fact that there was technical collaboration on the creation of modding tools, which has already been discussed, and I spent quite a bit of time in a chat room that included such people as Delphy, HP, Tiger (of the hood editor) Johan, Pommes, Murano and Thomas of TSR among others.  Johan, who is Thomas's twin brother is a really nice guy.  I am sure if he was in charge, TSR would have a very different face.

At the beginning, before the chatroom really got off the ground, MSN details were exchanged between myself and the TSR people.  Thomas would occasionally PM me via that, and pass on technical stuff to and from his programmers.  Sometimes he would fish for gossip, and I made it clear I wasn't going to act as any sort of double agent.  One day, in fact the last time I ever had communication with him, he asked whether as a person who seemed fairly neutral between the paysites and the rest of the community what I thought about the feuds between them, and TSR's position in the community   I told him that since he was asking my opinion I felt that TSR's reputation was reasonably good in the days they had all items in rotation and maybe he could go back to something like that.   I also told him I thought it was quite wrong of the owners to have shared customers' personal data with people other than admins (ie creators etc), and that this was a huge part of the loss of TSR's reputation.   He responded that he felt it was entirely justified to have shared this information with creators whose work was being stolen.   The conversation ended soon after that and we haven't spoken directly since.

That right there is some good shit!  I don't even care about this bit of drama one way or the other and I was fascinated.  Forget MOAR fight, I want MOAR double secret agent action.   

Sims 3 modder by day, secret agent by night. Inge, you need a trench coat or something. At the very least a fedora.

Fixed.

It is a pretty standard privacy statement. I'm one of those weird people who reads the full text of everything she agrees to, and nothing in their statement jumps out as odd. However, as you've hinted at, it's the implimentation that is an issue. Any other company would only share personal information in these situations:

1. To second-party or third-party advertisers, as allowed via the specifics of the Privacy Agreement (this is why you read the things), and generally then only demographics, no name or address.
2. In the case of subpeona from a government agency regarding a suit.
3. In the case of illegal action taken by a "member" against them or their property, then only using the information in a court of law.

Notice there's nothing about swapping personal information based on conjecture to other entities. Nothing about making largely baseless accusations against someone and then giving a bunch of people their full names and emails, sometimes phone numbers, to do with as they will. Nope. That's the sort of thing that TSR does, and that's the reason why even a small leak or spreading information that technically didn't originate from them, is extremely alarming.

I would bet that there is something in that e-petition's site regarding unauthorized third-party hacking and usage of information obtained via hacking, and I'd bet that at the least Thomas and Atwat specifically are in violation of that, if not TSR as a whole.

You will note how all of these weasel-exceptions are exactly the situations you DON'T want your information being shared in. Therefore, all "privacy policies" other than "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" are a joke, entirely without value, and not worth the pixels they are printed with. Don't share your information merely because someone asks: Lie first, you lose nothing.

Some times its required, Amazon for example is going to require billing information and "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is not going to work.

I understand since TSR does have a subscription system they will require billing information and just proves how screwed up their staff are when they just disclose that type of information, especially since that happens to be a crime.

In fact I wonder why nobody bothered to inform PayPal about TSR disclosing that privilege information when it happened, I might not like Navesea "pirate list" but at least they keep it at username only.

'swhat Gypsy Paypal is for. Like I said, giving people information is optional. You can always lie, as long you construct a set of lies that will get you what you want. Always think of a way to lie around giving anyone dox.

I wish I was on the list. All the cool kids are. Everyone should write Thomass and ask to be put on the list. It's not fair to leave us off like that. It's discrimination I tell ya.

Thank you, Inge. You certainly expressed much of the same feelings I have. I wasn't sure if you might have known something that could have altered my feelings at all, but they still remain the same. Thanks again. :)

You're quite welcome to have my spot.

Well looks like my name is on the list as well. All the proof I need they nixed the names from the petition seeing as I very seldom post here, and I have nothing to do with TSR. So how else would they even get my name. Personally it really ticks me off they have the nerve to do such a thing, if I had the means I would make certain the went down the tubes so to speak. I wonder if filing a formal complaint would do any good. Anyways I'm not entirely surprised they are idiots on so many levels.

Odd, I'm not even a pay member. I just signed up with my throwaway email for the downloads. Is it the pirate avatar?

I can't imagine how it would; with whom would you file it?

It depends on the yield of the complaint, I suppose. A 0.1 kT complaint can often be filed directly with the subject you wish to complain about.

The more I find out about TSR the more I feel it's a unending cluster f* of drama, pulling the wool over innocent customer's eyes, and moderator to moderator ass patting.

Kinda like deviantArt!

The word is FUCK, granny.

Much better.

For further improvement, the italicized phrase should read "over innocent customers' eyes" or, if SonnetCeles means only to refer to a single customer, "over an/the innocent customer's eyes". Additional nitpicking reveals that all three letters at the end of "deviantART"  should be capitalized.

Thank you for the heads up.I see that I am on the list.Why does this not surprise me how low TSR will go.I may take legal action if my internet experience is threaten by these low life's.It seems certain individuals at TSR have no life if hacking a petition is what they do in their free time.

Grammar Cat is displeased with your post. GRAMMATIK ÜBER ALLES!

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-life

I'm on the list too. But it used an old login name of mine that I rarely use and my TSR account isn't under that anyhow. OH NOES they know my name! Whatever shall I do? Oh yeah. I don't care. What I am amused at is that Coconut later says that it was claimed that EA gave that list to TSR of all the people who where saying mean things about them. If that was the case, that list would be way longer.

Edit: Aw. Coconut called us innocents.  ;)

I am jealous of all of you who are on the list.  Where is my nom de plume? It's not there, that's where. How come I never get pulled into the cool online drama, but only the lame bullshit at work?

Probably because you suck.

Probably very true, Pescado. I shall endeavor to suck less in the future.

Hm...I didn't get even half way down the List and I gave up.
Yes..I commited a sin and signed up to TSR.
But, for my sin, I was given no items, becasue everything of value (or not realy of value, becasue most of their items are a waste of NetSpace) was classed as a subscription item. So, I went away a sad panda, becaue the one item I wanted (a set of many color'd Lucky Cat Statues, made befor OFB was created, I think.) was a pay to download item.

I have never been back since.
And, i prety much refuse to download anything that has their items in the download these days. Becasue I wouldnt trust them as far as I could throw them on a heavy gravity world...With their feet in concreet shoes.

I did not sign a pettition, I think I would have rememberd....So, if I am on that list, I dont know why.
I would share anything I had of theirs, although, if I could find a place to share it on..had I downloaded any of the stuff they had up on the site.

Heh, more proof that anonymity is not only important for hackers. For the most part, anyone who got their real name or a non-free e-mail address on that list deserved it. Complaining about it definitely won't do any good (this is the internet after all, nobody cares what you think, and this goes for my post just now as well), but an extended DDOS siege would do well to show TSR the error of their ways (at least temporarily).

Edit: Pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain!

Hey retard, we don't do DDOS here. It's bad, and people go to jail for that kind of stuff. Pixels just aren't THAT important, mkay?

Also, MATY is not your personal army.  STFU and STFD, ceftard.

Edit to make it more clear who I was talking to.

I'm on that list. I'm even in the top 30. They have an e-mail address that I use only for forum sign-ups and to collect spam. I didn't use my real name. And my TSR account is under an entirely different name. I'm nearly too bone-idle to share their files, but I am thinking I may have to try to live up to my top 30 designation.

But its not something I feel I need to point at people on the list and go neener neener. If you have EVER signed up with TSR, or have ever bothered them in any way, chances are they have some info on you already and we all know they aren't the most honourable of opponents. But to suggest that we would hack them is ridiculous. Leave those shenanigans to them.

Rayea, meet the "Find" feature in your browser.

Ctrl+F, meet Rayea.

Hehe, I never suggested MATY was anything like an army, and it definitely wouldn't do anything I say. I was also not really recommending anyone to DDOS. REAL clever insult by the way  ;)


If pixels weren't important people would not get so upset about what they read in forums.

It's quite amusing to me that THAT was even the part of my post which was focused on. Was it because the words hacker and DDOS were in the same post? DDOS isn't hacking. One thing that should get you worried though is that with your real name and an e-mail address (especially if it's one bound to your ISP) it's pretty easy, for someone who really wanted to, to completely ruin your lives. There's a great possibility that everyone on that list will get considerably more spam e-mails, and you should definitely start using another e-mail address for anything important (ie. banking) as phishing attacks are likely to become more common for those people (some phishing e-mails are incredibly hard to distinguish from the real ones). There really isn't any legal process in any country for dealing with this unless you've got a lot of money to throw at a good lawyer.

I thank you for reading yet another though process by ceftard :P

EDIT: Fixed tag snafu

Your attempts at a reply are moot. It isn't pixels that are the important thing. The fact of the matter is that TSR shares people's personal information - and have in the past. Though several people here used fake names and web based e-mails, some people didn't. Also, TSR has attacked their own members, are careless with people's financial information and that makes the whole "who cares its just pixels?!" argument completely irrational.

And just because you can do things doesn't mean you should.

I agree with you completely. It would seem that my attempts at humor have once again fallen prey to the lack of a sarcasm tag, and, perhaps, my lack of humor  ;). My warnings in my previous post are quite serious however. Anyone who was stupid/ignorant enough to provide real details to TSR really does need to be careful as when a list like that is leaked out onto the internet, the first people to utilize it are always the spammers and phishers.

Thanks, Lorelei :)

I dont seem to be on there..I cant say if I am dissapointed or happy. I guess I feel ignored, but then, I am not likely to get anyone's attention, being as I cant do much in the Sims but make use of other peoples wonderfull work.
(most I have made myself were some very basic roman style walls for sims2)

And yes. I am a noobie when it comes to the Net in many ways. I have only started using Firefox instead of IE6 crap this year *hangs head in shame*
However, I am not realy suprised about things like this when they come into contact with PaySite stuff and Sims. So many opinions, some at oposing ends of the arguemnt...

Heh, and to think that I was actually considering joining their site for one second.  ::)

'Kay, I'm scared now. I'm gonna go curl up in the corner 'till this blows over.  :-X

Looks like my full name and old email is on there. I am 100% sure it came from TSR.

Well, that completely sucks, I am on that list, Full real name and email.

What can be done about this?

Fake your death and disappear. Never post your real information into a computer again.

I am so glad that I am a member on Mod the Sims and not TSR. Luckily, an acquaintance of mine (which you might have had the displeasure to meet) that uploads there is not on the list.

I just spent hours combing though anti-tsr websites, and holy shit; this is more interesting than any t.v. show. I am really interested to see how this plays out. I would suggest, as a few comments say, to report anything to the FBI regarding your information that was leaked. That is illegeal, period. And it is covered in FBI jurisdiction...
Also http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx (http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx) Most countries have similar laws.

I came to this site to learn about AwesomeMod and ended up in this whirlwind. Well, so much for testing out new mods; I have more drama to catch up on, some securROM to destroy, and just general lurking.

Yay! I am now a Tasty Tourist.

P.S. I do no use the word "drama" to belittle the situation, this is really outrageous.

Well TSR is screwd up right now as nearly each page leads to an error message and it's impossible to log in,

Heh, their DB is broken. P&L.