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Hello.
I was doing the daily "checking" on some TS3 sites & I found this.

http://peggyzone.com/Index.html

It seems that the new hairs doesn't replace anything.
3 are free & there's 2 donating hairs which are horrible.

(http://peggyzone.com/objectimg/peggyzone-sims3-F-Mhair001-1-s.jpg)(http://peggyzone.com/objectimg/peggyzone-sims3-F-Fhair003-1-s.jpg)(http://peggyzone.com/objectimg/peggyzone-sims3-F-Fhair001-1-s.jpg)

Donating hair.
(http://peggyzone.com/objectimg/peggyzone-sims3-donate-Fhair001-1-s.jpg)(http://peggyzone.com/objectimg/peggyzone-sims3-donate-Fhair002-1-s.jpg)

http://www.peggyzone.com/Sims3Download.html

Now let the crash reports come in!

I'm trying it out.  Downloading right now.

I wonder what this means:


Does the hair impale the sim's body/head if you make them too fat?

I tried out the straight hair, and this is what I got:
(http://i26.tinypic.com/mm7k81.jpg)

In game:
(http://i27.tinypic.com/22ns4g.jpg)

I was injured in a really horrible fireworks accident three years ago, and the doctors used this special netting to help me regrow skin.  I looked exactly like the 'in game' version.  This could be useful for an interesting story arch...

They look as stiff as ever, especially the pay one.

OMG I totally LOL'ed. Literally.  :D :D :D

She has a pay one already  ::) Well that didn't take long.

I wonder what tool she used to make it considered the WesH one explicitly states as part of the agreement to us it that anything made with it is NOT supposed to be sold.

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/anxietyistheworst/Screenshot-476.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/anxietyistheworst/Screenshot-478.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/anxietyistheworst/Screenshot-480.jpg)

They look great in CAS at least. Ignore the sleepyhead girl.

Since when have agreements or laws ever stopped Paysites?

I am going to venture a guess and say the latter.

Also, putting that shaggy feminine one on the males looks truly disturbing.

Plus in order to get them we have to navigate Peggy's website which looks like Sailor Moon vomitted all over it.

I haven't tested it in game yet.. I should. I'll try to do it now.
Anyway, as Motoki said the male hair is disturbing in some way. I don't like it.

Huh, I wonder what I did wrong, since they didn't show up right.

That hair doesn't work on elder sims.

Ohhhhh.  Well, then that's stupid.

Well then she should have either made it work for them or else figured out how to take it out of the list so it doesn't show up all buggy and funky bald looking. That is very unprofessional and tacky, particularly for someone who is starting to charge now. :P

It does bend slightly with the head, just as well as the EAxis hairs.

And here's what happens with a fatty:
(http://i25.tinypic.com/2i1jwk8.jpg)
to...
(http://i32.tinypic.com/o91qgz.jpg)

So not that bad, but I bet it gets worse if she smiles.

I tried them out in my household.

The long hair stretches out when your sim turns the hair but in a "normal" way just like the default long hairs in game. I wanted to see if the long hair stabbed the sim like they did in The Sims 2, but It doesn't.

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/anxietyistheworst/Screenshot-483.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/anxietyistheworst/Screenshot-485.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/anxietyistheworst/Screenshot-486.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/anxietyistheworst/Screenshot-487.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/anxietyistheworst/Screenshot-496.jpg)

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/anxietyistheworst/Screenshot-492.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/anxietyistheworst/Screenshot-493.jpg)

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/anxietyistheworst/Screenshot-490.jpg)
The hair stabbed his clothes & nearly his neck.

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/anxietyistheworst/Screenshot-491.jpg)

I have them uploading to box.net now. These are huge files. I'll be back with a link.

ETA: Links

Female hair 1 (http://www.box.net/shared/1s6cc8yk15)

Female Hair 2 (http://www.box.net/shared/bo23e3vptr) (file says 3)

Male Hair (http://www.box.net/shared/0cju8ixp3i)

Get a PI, find out. A few Cease and desist letters directed at paysites might be interesting.

I doubt a few letters will do what PMBD has been trying to do for goodness knows how long.

I see the same thing it was before, anime hair in paysites.

I am confused.  She made new hairs that don't replace anything, but the first one she made STILL replaces the female mohawk??  The mind, it fucking boggles.

Peggy never fixes her shit.

I'm honestly not surprised the long hair moves similarly to the Maxis long hair since, well, it looks basically the same as the Maxis long hair. No real surprise the more "custom" hair is an unbending mess, either.

I'm guessing that in Peggy Land, no one wears mohawks. They also all look like her terrifying models, and chant mindlessly about being down with Peggy-G.  ::)

I am well aware that Peggyland is a mighty screwed up place where Peggy never fixes her shit, yes.  Still, considering that she finally figured out how to make them, uh, as properly as a Peggy hair gets (this is not including horrendous gaps and other fuckwittery, obviously), lazy ass couldn't spare a few minutes to fix the first hair?

I know, I know -- shouldn't ask stupid questions when we already know the answer, and I know I'm not the only one who would like to knock some sense into her sparkly head.

I suspect that many of the default hairstyles are simple alpha edits. If you look at where the hair is parted, many of the styles have the same lines - poofy on one side of the part, and flat on the other. Even between short and long styles, there are many similarities.

ETA: I forgot to add that it wouldn't surprise me if Peggy's hairs are just alpha edits of original game hairs, in which case she should especially not be charging for them.

I guess we should be slightly thankful that someone (even if it was Peggy) figured out custom hairs, and now I'll stick to hoping like hell that Nouk is going to make custom hairs for Sims 3.

Has anyone dared into getting the pay hair to see how it works in game?

By the way: Thank you for the link to the files somewhere besides the Peggy site. Her site is horrible.

Peggy pay hairs (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=ab4f7dc872c7b3cd84705bab38b2d739e2897573abeae911) (I had leftover PG from months ago). I haven't tested them yet, need to wait for the spawn to go to bed before I can boot up the game.

Thanks kindly.  Will be booting up the game here shortly, and I'll report back with pictures and whatnot.

Nouk hasn't been seen very often if at all on other sites since shutting her site down and pulling out of WickedNoukFamily.  I wonder if she's moved on to other things.

I don't know what issues are making some of the hair display badly. It could be my tools, after all, they are as new as the game.

But I do know that the two donation items were made with my Q-Mesh plugin. While the artwork may be hers, the license terms for my plugins specifically prohibit pay, donation required, or redistribution restrictions on the mesh itself.

No Pay, No Diva.

<* Wes *>

Like that has ever mattered to her?  What can you do about it? Complain to EA?  We could boycott her site. *But, I thought we already did that*  Realistically though what would be a good plan?  It's not right, but...

...Except that Peggy wasn't the first one to figure it out. :)  I posted up a flowchart I did a week a week and a half ago, and there is a thread on MTS with screenshots of new non-replacement custom hair from days ago.

As I posted on MTS, she's done it *extremely* amatuerishly, too.  Just the basics, to get it to show in game but she's left a whole heap of linkages back to the store hair still.

Yeah, Delphy, I had a pretty good hunch that someone else had already figured it out for her because she's not that clever (which is why I put "someone"); I just had no idea who came up with the know-how.

It had to be someone who knew what they are doing.  The two obvious choices?  Pescado or Delphy.  But Pescado has been working with AM so heavily that it would be hard for him to take time away from that right now anyway, it seems.  And Delphy seems to be working on other aspects.  So, go Delphy!  It's just a shame that when you figure it out there is even some one  like lousy Chinese Peggy that will be glad to "borrow" your work. 

Well, so far, Peggy's hairs are making the mod compatibility checker put out by the Indie Stone people violently upchuck.

A couple of those Sim models are fucking scary.... :-X A couple of the hairstyles too.... :D

HP has said on the MTS boards that she has permission from Nouk to convert her meshes to TS3 when the capability is there to not replace default hairs. So...I guess any time now?

Well, the thing is... the way she's done it can easily be done with a hex editor and by reading some threads on MTS - especially the ones fairly recently regarding new non-replacement meshes.  It's done *so* badly (and the fact that only the main VPXY is modified) that I suspect this is the way she did it.

Considering that all she's done is replace a bunch of 00 to 01, it's really not that hard.  I most certainly didn't help her with any of this, and I suspect Pescado knows next to nothing about hair files. :)

So, did she still use Wes's tool?  I know nothing about any of this but would like to understand.

Here's some screenshots with the two pay hairs from CAS with an EAxis sim (an adoptable child one who grew into a teen recently). Please pardon the darkness as these were shot with the in-game camera; I really need to download a screen-grabbing program (because screen-grabbing with shitty Windows is even darker).

There don't seem to be any noticeable problems (other than hair that's so stiff, almost like it's seen a full can of Aquanet), and it doesn't look so terrible on a regular looking sim and not Peggy's models.

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa125/ThePenguinOnTheTelly/th_Screenshot-14.jpg) (http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa125/ThePenguinOnTheTelly/?action=view&current=Screenshot-14.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa125/ThePenguinOnTheTelly/th_Screenshot-15.jpg) (http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa125/ThePenguinOnTheTelly/?action=view&current=Screenshot-15.jpg)

And without the hairband:
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa125/ThePenguinOnTheTelly/th_Screenshot-11-1.jpg) (http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa125/ThePenguinOnTheTelly/?action=view&current=Screenshot-11-1.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa125/ThePenguinOnTheTelly/th_Screenshot-13.jpg) (http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa125/ThePenguinOnTheTelly/?action=view&current=Screenshot-13.jpg)

ETA:  Now with Clickable Thumbnail Power Because They're Goddamn Huge!

Zaphod, that dark screenshots issue happens only in full screen mode.  Windowed mode doesn't suffer from the same issue. :)

jriggs: Yes, she used Q-Mesh, ie Wes' tool. 

I know.  However, windowed mode and my computer hate each other (and have since S2) for some unknown reason, quite opposite of the problems others have.  Frozen computer and then CTD occur, and it isn't something I like, so I choose to stay in full screen until I figure it out.


It's all right.  It looks slightly better than a lot of her previous offerings for S2 and S3.  The true test of how it looks will be in gameplay, itself, instead of CAS.  I'll get around to that in a minute.  I had to up the brightness of my monitor because I switched from a 32" LCD monitor to a 17" CRT (bleh, the difference in brightness is staggering), and I was working on a personal core mod.

That's wonderful.  I hope it happens soon.  Of all the custom content I had for Sims 2, I think Nouk's hair is what I miss most!

Exactly what I was thinking.  It's an exciting step towards some wonderful hair for males and females.  Some of our existing favourites might be able to be converted as well as new creations and better still with some level of animation.

Edited to add;  I agree totally that it's no thanks to her, the work put into it by Peggy was minimal and output reflects that.  The thanks for any wonderful new hairstyles goes towards those that create and share the knowledge and tools, freely.   

Yeah but she did a half assed job using other people's research, discoveries, methods and tools and rushed it out the door to get her TS3 pay business started out meanwhile people the people who are doing all the real work and actually care about making custom content that is created properly and tested thoroughly are still ironing out the kinks. Oh and she also violated the terms of use of the tool she used to create them (http://www.customsims3.com/forum1/s3t/whlicense.htm) by the way.

They are getting closer to getting more new hair out there but it is no thanks to Peggy.

Yeah, I don't know much about hair files. Or, for that matter, hair. :P

Motoki: Err, Peggy has absolutely nothing to do with "getting closer to getting more hair out there".  We *have* tools to do that, we *have* proper custom content hair working in game here, with zero help from Peggy.  So I'm a little confused as to what you are saying. :)  The only delay is in getting things *right*, making sure the layering works, texturing, etc.  But that's being worked on right now... so... soon.

Little I can do. It's not like I am reaping a profit from selling the plugins to fund a legal department.

But it isn't right. I spent a *lot* of time getting these developed (with some help from my friends), and wrote the spec that is on the wiki for anyone. And I have been very clear about the terms of use. I shouldn't care, but it is irritating that she is leveraging my free tool for her profit.

There is now a blender script for exporting GEOM meshes now, she could use that. Or pay someone to write a tool from the spec; at least TSR has chosen to try that route. Or she could just post the meshes in a separate, freely redistributable package and sell the textures.

I am referring to people's saying her hairs are a good sign that we are closer to getting more custom hairs bla bla. And yes I agree with you, I know you guys have the stuff and I know you guys are also taking the time to make sure it works properly, unlike Peggy.


No, you should care. As the creator of those tools you have the right to set those terms of use and people should be abiding by them or else attempt to find another method if they refuse to.

There might not be a hell of a lot you can do, but I will at least smear her name wherever I can. :P

Gadwin. Gadwin is your friend.

I used to have FRAPS on my old computer.  How is Gadwin compared to it?  Better?

Disregard I suck cocks.  I have my answer.  Gadwin, it is.

I might be picking on your post but this is a general statement.

TS3 HAIR IS NOT ANIMATED!!!!

What you see is bone assignments so it does not clip with the body, if it moves like Maxis hairs at least she is doing something right, I recall IMPALING HAIR!!! in TS2 since some never bothered with that and even she did it with some of her hairs until she finally started doing proper bone assignments.

The only clipping issue I seen was with the Store pink bow Formal dress but that dress does not work very well with long hair (the bow sticks up and so it clips).

Wes, can you not write to EA and try to nip this Peggy clown profiting off your work in the bud?

No, what I was saying was that the one hair that moves at all is basically an edit of a Maxis hair and nothing really very customized about it so of course it moves, she didn't have to do anything. Her other offerings are impaling hair plastic wigs.

I agree that the hair looks too stiff. Also (and I'm not sure if this is because the mesh plugins are in their infancy - if that's why, please excuse the error) while EAxis hair adjusts itself based on the Sim's weight, Peggy's hair just sits there and doesn't compensate whatsoever for the body shape.

For example, EAxis hair:
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4308/eaxishair.th.png) (http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4308/eaxishair.png)

Versus Peggy's sh!t:
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/116/peggyshitthin.th.png) (http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/116/peggyshitthin.png)
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9202/peggyshit.th.png) (http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9202/peggyshit.png)

Peggy's long stiff hairs (and some of her medium length ones) have never worked right when paired up with something (in this case, fat and boobage) that gets in the way.

Why are the install instructions for installing her files different than cc from other sites? The hairs and the lingerie on her site all have a resource.cfg file that you're supposed to put in the root game folder, but what's the purpose of it?

It's identical to the Resource.cfg that should already be in your Mods folder.  Just ignore it.

If I may - we need to be EMPHATIC in saying that you should IGNORE Peggy's resource.cfg file - there's something WRONG with it and it will f-up your game.

Use Delphy's - it is the ONLY resource.cfg file you should ever need.

And just in case you're wondering - yes, you can learn from my mistake re this - been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

Wow, I didn't realize how shady Peggysims was....I remember reading about something about "stolen" content which she/they manipulated and sold without any permission but, those sorts of stories were going around a lot back then.  Looks like she doesn't give a crap about anything other than the revenue she's got coming in.  Shady, shady business.  :-\

Alas, this isn't news to anyone (except you, apparently).

Huh, I was actually considering downloading one of the free hairs for a moment and now I feel ashamed.

Oh well, at least this Peggy has shown what NOT to do when doing custom hairs.

Just a head's up, HP has new hair up on ModtheSims.

Yes, apparently so.
Upon having a closer look at the hair, I conclude that it is one of the most hideous styles I have yet to see.  Are there actually people who like this hair? (curious)

EA? They don't care. They just want us all to get along and play nice. However, as far as I am concerned, ripping the meshes out of the package, recoloring them and posting them as a new creation would be fine with me. She has no claim on the mesh itself, so I would not call that piracy, just community service.

I saw a different comment that said TS3 hair was not animated. It is most definitely animated, but many are not animated well. That's what teh bone assignments are for, and many lack the professional touches. Some are really good, but a lot of the stuff in the store hairs looks like it was slapped together quickly, or else a less experienced modeler made them.

What I think was meant was they have no physics, that is true. Physics is what made TS2 hair lively when the sim twirled, for instance. TS3 would be a much better game if it had any physics. If it had somethink like havok, then when you kick the flamingo it could fly across the lawn, instead of just falling over.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, HP posted two hair packages tpday. She is using an unreleased extension of Delphy's CTU tool, he has plans to release it when he gets sufficient polish on the additions... gotta love that Turtle Wax. Once that is available, making new hair packages will be in reach of a lot more artists. I know the pace seems slow, but this tool business is difficult, given that the detailed instruction manual was missing.

At the risk of being an asskisser, I don't think the pace seems slow at all. Everyone seems to be ripping this game to pieces like crazy, and it's all very impressive to someone like me who wouldn't even kind of know where to begin.

It's perfect for my gold-digging perfectionist snob.  Observe:
(http://i32.tinypic.com/2q2ju43.jpg)

(http://i30.tinypic.com/nwcy38.jpg)
Her Vegas wedding...

(http://i30.tinypic.com/zv8oet.jpg)
Vegas honeymoon

Have you managed to fulfill the gold digger lifetime wish? I remember someone saying it was broken. I'm curious to try it out, but not if it doesn't work.

I'm not sure if you already know this, but you can get the hair at our favourite downloading site as the very first TS3 pirated content ;) I'm grabbing it, too, because I'm tired of all my puddings having the same hair... some of them should have the bad taste to use ugly wigs, just like in RL!

A question, though: when the easy hair meshing tool becomes available and I'll have enough pretty hairs to chose from/make to be able to delete the Peggy ones, what happens to the sims wearing it? I'm thinking of townies, really, changing the hair for my playables shouldn't be hard.

Hey, man, she WISHES sailor moon would vomit all over her site. It might improve it. ;)

She didn't actually get the LTW. She has "Living in the Lap of Luxury".  But she wanted to flirt with her grandmother's rich ex-boyfriend, so I let it happen.


So far none of the townies have used any of the custom hairs, or the ones from the store in my town.  YMMV.

Oh mine do. In fact I just had one townie pop up with that same trampy Peggy pay hair. I'm using the new Indie Stone + Awesomemod combo though so that might have generated her. She must be a new sim because I just put that hair in like yesterday or the day before.

Seriously?  That does pose a problem, then.

Wait.  There's an Indie Stone/Awesomemod combo?!

Yup

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,15185.msg460376.html#msg460376

http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=357180

Ohhh score!  I can finally have my editsim back.  I'm so tired of people showing up to my formal parties in weirdass combinations.

Well you could already do that with awesomemod and debug mod enabled then doing control click > sim > Edit in CAS, but yeah Indie has that too.

I had IndieStone, but there you can only edit the active sim, not townies.

I'm just excited I can finally recreate the Debbie Downer skits.

You must. haha.

You could make all new versions of all your tools refer to her as a poopoohead. Not constructive, but perhaps mildly pleasant to think of her using programs that hate her.

(http://cats.moreawesomethanyou.com/asiancat.jpg)

H Wes - don't you have a automatic copyright on your tools, seeing it's a written program before it is a tool? I don't know the laws everywhere, but any written word - even if it's never left your desk, is protected for 75 years under copywrite protection laws - at least in the USA. Once a product is published and it does not matter whether or not you publish it or a publishing company does, you very much have a leg to stand on. If your rules regarding use of your work are not adhered to you can order her to cease and desist any further use of said tool/product. You simply need to confront the "thief" - either an open letter or a personal letter demanding she adhere to your rule of distribution or remove the item that was made using your tool from her site.

Unlike the product itself - which is considered art, the same copyright protections do not apply as her product is not a creation made solely of her own doing and hand, but a creation made possible by the use of other products. This is why it is hard for people to fight anyone supposedly "stealing" their Sims creations, as 1- technically EA already "owns" anything created for a Sim - they purchased ALL rights to actually own it to start with; and secondly because the tool she used to produce the product is also not her own creation  - but it is yours. She actually is the only person in violation of any of the copyright laws. Even if EA never does anything about the "thief", you on the other hand still have your own rights because your tool is not based off of anything belonging to EA.

If it were me I'd be posting in her forum and telling her she violated your rules of distribution of products using your tool and that she must adhere to your rules or stop using your tools.

Writin_Reg, you have not posted anything new. We know Wes has a legal right to his own program. He has stated he has no means to enforce it. What's she going to do if he orders her to cease and desist? She's going to ignore him, that's what.

A few PMBD members posted on her forum last night, stating that she violated Wes's license. Her response? She deleted everything and banned everyone, of course. She didn't ban me, so I PM'd her directly, then she banned me.

She doesn't care, dude.

What I find really damn amusing is that people are jumping on the Peggy bandwagon crying "Heresy!" because someone took one of her meshes from S2 and converted it for S3 (and it looks horrible).  I roflcoptered lots when someone said that this would "ruin her business".  Oh, the huge manatee!

I responded to that but Peggy deleted it. >:o

I sent those people all a PM though.

I had the opportunity to think this all over before I decided to license it the way I did. I knew there would be violations, but I have a few ninja skills in the programming department. I can tell the difference between seeming identical meshes from the game and those produced with my plugins. Not spyware, there is nothing related to the user account or CPU, it is a construction method that is unique and subtle.

The meshes she produced and sells have no protection as original works, but her overall compilation, which includes some original artwork, does. I make this claim only for the two recent pay meshes, although her request not to copy the free ones is also invalid, as it is a redistribution restriction on the work product.

Of course, she can switch to Blender, or perhaps the new spyware ad-laden tool. Or she can continue to do what she is doing and perhaps someone else will "liberate" the meshes from their packages. I would bet they will work with some of the stock game textures.

<* Wes *>

I suggest you go with the HALL OF SHAME method.

Oh hell Peggy already has a whole god damned wing devoted to her in the Hall of Shame.

I'll think about it. Or perhaps y'all can do that, and I will participate as needed.

I don't "shop" much for custom content, spending more of my time researching ways to make it, but I know lots of people here do. Since I don;t look for things, especially on pay sites (I mean, I am not really stupid enough to pay for those kinds of pixels). I know Mr. P can always get my attention even when I don't come around here, which is on an inconsistent basis. So I will not always know without some help, but it doesn't take me long to check on the tool used.

I will admit that some of the thinking of members here, including the head man himself, influenced my licensing idea for the tools. I don't agree with all of the rationale behind some of the activities, but I can wage my war in a manner that I do consider rational and consistent with my own beliefs, and perhaps those objectives are somewhat aligned with others here and at the boogaloo booty site. I think the rationale would be "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

You should add to the license "If your name is Peggy, then by using this tool you agree to pay for my legal fees when I sue yo' bitch ass. Poohead."

Well - I for one support Wes and respect his creation - so I refuse to have any Peggy anything in my game. I did put the free ones in, then turned around and removed them the minute I knew she had used his plug in and went against his wishes. As for her "art" having any worth - I disagree as her art would be nonexistant without the use of Wes's work period.

Plum, I'm sorry i couldn't offer something new. I just assumed maybe Wes wasn't aware that he does have a leg to stand on. I also know it would hardly be prudent to go after her, at this junction, until she has made sufficient monies to stake a claim on. At which point she can be sued and all expense incurred for the suite will rest on her bank account as well if she is found guilty - but those are also laws within the borders of the USA and I am not sure exactly how this works with the internet either. It is also my understanding Peggy is not in the USA anyway, so that further complicate matters. Isn't she Chinese or am I mistaken?

Anyway, I was just trying to help, although I admit the majority of my knowledge is within the realm of the written word and copyright law.

You should see this guys.

http://peggyzone.com/Sims3Disclaimer.html

I cannot make an opinion about this because I don't understand anything.

I have no idea WTF she is even talking about, but this part was pretty amusing to me:

Fifthly, PeggyZone reserves the rights to take any actions that we think necessary and appropriate to the extent permitted by law in response to insult, libel and attack committed by anyone.

What exactly is she planning to do, sue the internet?

That hair is so hideous, I can imagine all of my sims barfing upon viewing of it.

I LOVE the new hair on MTS though, especially since they're for males and don't look like a cross dresser or Jon Bon Jovi wannabe.

Although I must admit, if someone were to get rid of the fugly curls at the bottom of that one pay hair, I'd like it, it looks alot like what my aunt's hair looked like in the '70s  :P

What I see is a tool with a EA Sims 3 Hair in it that CLEARLy says CLONE - so right there nullifies it being hers "firstly" and "secondly" she admits using a plug in which Maya requires - which is also not her own nor does she state who the plug in belongs to - so how the heck can she call this hers?

It would be the equivalent of me writing a story by using another story and just changing the names, the pictures, and colors of the pictures then signing my name to it.

She fails to get that something is not hers exclusively unless she alone creates all the parts including the original mesh - as a clone of the mesh is not an originally created mesh, it's still a copy to make useable for your own purpose. The only way she could call those hairs hers was to create an original mesh first in Maya, so no plug in is even necessary, or to pay the original creator (EA) for the right to use said mesh to clone, and then finally make her own tool to use the Maya program with her clone.

Legally she has just hung her ownself out to dry as she plainly shows and states that the items used in her designs are not her own. She's blowing smoke and hopes readers are not smart enough to see through it.

Unfortunately, a lot of readers aren't smart enough to see through it; it's why she's still in business.

She did address all the issues in that long-ass PM I send her the day before yesterday though, so I feel accomplished.*

*Not that I'm the only one who's been bugging her, but I only speak for myself.

A whois on her domain name shows that she is indeed in China, looks like her site is hosted there as well. Even if Wes did have the resources to go after her... yeah, good luck with that one.

Oh really?

I use Flagfox and what I see is 96.31.84.77 and that means:

United States of America ... Tampa, Florida

It seems the host is NOC4Hosts, the website for it seems to be this one:.

http://www.hivelocity.net/

Sure the domain is registered in China but it seems PeggyZone is actually using a USA host.

*gives gold star sticker*

Now to sit back and wait for the artists that actually care about the quality of their work to start turning things out.  

Hm. Got thrown off by some of the information I pulled up, I guess. If it's hosted in the US, you could probably go straight to the host about it, they tend to have rules in place about what they allow people to upload.

So, is she trying to say she didn't use Wes's tool?  I see that she says that she used a Maya plug in but I don't know anything about creating, the tools or anything so I am trying to keep up.  I thought it was determined that it was Wes's tool that was used and it seems she is saying that she used something that was somehow independently created for her to create this.

I have also made a Maya plugin, covered under the same license, that uses the same code to generate the GEOM with, but it was only released to a few testers. While the methods I use are my own "trade secret" the way the file is made leaves markings are irrefutable evidence she generated the final output of the two pay hair file I examined with my plugins. And the license terms very clearly prohibit commercial use.

She can claim she is using something else, and it may be true, to the extent she may be modelling with maya. But the final file was created with one of my plugins, or by code stolen from my plugins. Her rattling statements about insult, libel and attack are nothing but bluster and bravado. She is on the wrong side on this issue.

She can cure this by using the Blender plugins, and probably the TSR tool, as it exports GEOMs also. But until she does, she has no valid claim to ownership of the file, as it was produced only by violating my license terms.

<* Wes *>

I am not techical at all, but by reading Peggy's disclaimer, I still read and understood that she used code that Wes H wrote to make "her own mesh exporter".  If it's new, wouldn't the code be new also?

I see that as thief.

I'm not sure whether to laugh hysterically or throw up.

Do a combination of the two and see what happens  ;D

And "gorgeous"? Jeez Peg, blowing your own horn a bit there, aren't you? I think "shitty" would be a more honest evaluation.

Ok I haven't read the whole discussion, nor do I understand what it is really about. I don't actually get all those "game policies, copyrights" things...
And, you must be right, Peggy may be a bad person who steal other people's tool...

BUT, what is the point saying the HAIR ITSELF is ugly?

I'm sorry, but however wrong she is, I still think she creates beautiful stuff. And you might not agree with me, but it seems millions of other players in the world do, just have a look at the exchange.

However, this is just my point. I'm not defending the creator herself, and I'm absolutely not supporting her wrong methods, I'm just supporting CREATIONS which doesn't deserve the names "shit" or "ugly".

Because the hair is ugly.  Have you never put some of these on your sims?  99.9% of them look like shit in game.

What hair looks like that? On what planet is hair made of plastic with a blinding shine, let alone bisecting the neck? I used to download similar hairs, but I got tired of my sims looking so plastic and fake when there were beautiful realistic hairs with actual texture to them, and even animation.

I admit it- I'm a fan of her hair.  I think it's gorgeous.  But I like my neighborhoods to run like Gossip Girl- a bunch of gorgeous people with implausible problems.  Peggy's hair is perfect for that.  I also love All About Style clothes and Well Dressed Sim makeup.  I'm a whore like that.

She may very well have the tool she claims to have. But it didn't produce the two pay meshes she posted. Perhaps she will be able to use that tool in the future to resolve the issue ongoing. The description of the sims 3 mesh format, which was the result of a lot of research work (including contributions by Karybdis, Atavera, Delphy and others) is freely available from the sims 3 wiki just for people like Morgade (Blender plugin), Delphy (previewer), Echo (Postal previewer), Peggy, TSR and anyone else to use to design more meshing tools.

I have no problem with some "competition". If I did, the spec would still be private and unpublished. I just want to get modding jump-started, nce it starts rolling, it will churn more interest in custom content and more modding, and draw new people to the "community".

She is blustering and trying to cover her tracks. In her rush to get some new items online, she cheated and I caught her. Now that she has alternatives, and knows the data trail is there, perhaps we will not see any more done like that. That would suit me.

Lol.  The exchange?  I didn't think anyone put anything decent there.  It's a cesspit of bad stories (take a look at the More Awful Than You threads that deal with stories to see what I mean) and bad taste.

The sheeple (particularly those too young to have credit cards) think that Peggy is cool and that her stuff is TEH AWESOEM because it is pay and therefore out of their reach.  The braver sheeple eventually find their way to the booty over at PMBD and head straight for the Peggy stuff.  They put it in their games and quickly discover just how crappy it really is.  Then the smarter ones delete it.  Sadly, there are some pitiful individuals who keep it for their stories because they think that showing a bunch of strangers on the internet that they have this uber-crappy payshit for a game will make them seem cool.

Absolutely. For those that remember back to TS2, it took longer for custom content hairs and meshes to be made for TS2 than it has for TS3 and we had a BodyShop program to mess around with at that. There isn't as much of a leap between TS2 and TS3, so we're getting content a LOT faster because the groundwork was already laid in TS2...I mean jeebus pumpernickle, it took what, 48-72 hours for a successful mod in TS3 to be created?

 
 
After spending the past week culling hairs from my cc folder, I don't have a lot of positive things left to say about Peggy. But... I do think she is artistically talented.  What earns her hair criticism, and rightfully so, is that she's charging for hairs that are gapped, flawed, carelessly thrown together and never fixed.  
 
Oh, but it wouldn't be complete without hiding the faults in the preview pictures, so that you don't know what you're getting until it's in your game, and you've already paid.
False Advertising?  Just a bit.  This happens... most of the time.
But, I'm tolerant.  I can deal with small gaps here and there, or a hairstyle with bangs that cover the eyes on most sims
for the sake of the one with a huge forehead on whom it would look well, etc.
 
But then there are ones such as these:  


 
I haven't gotten one to look right yet without turning the sim in to a bobblehead. Apparently, Peggy has poor judgement sense for where the head ends and the hair begins. To me, that's ugly.   :P

I gave up on Peggy's hair after seeing Surelyfunke's bearded sim (or was that Rose's hair). Either way, DNW!

Isn't Peggy one of those "creators" who chooses to rip off third party meshes and adapt them to the Sims?  If she is, then it's not her artistic talent that you're praising, it's the talent of whoever created the mesh in the first place.

My apologies if I'm mixing Peggy up with another paysite creator.

No, I'm pretty sure you are right. At least that is what they say about her hairs over at PMBD. I think at one point someone even found one of the sites she goes to to get meshes to make into hairs on the Sims.

I don't think so.  I've seen where creators take poser meshes and convert them in the past - usually the same meshes over and over again.  I see this one pop up all the time: http://images.thesimsresource.com/scaled/341/w-650h-650-341110.jpg 

Peggy, I think, is for real.  Her content has a definite style and you can trace the evolution of it from oldest to new, like you'd expect to be able to when looking at the work of a single artist.  If she is false, maybe someone has pictures or links to the originals?  I'd like to see what they looked like before they were "peggyfied".

Peggy's content is not only shown in the exchange, even creators from modthesims (which is the best sims website ever) use them for their models.

It's not a big deal, they just want their sims to look good, and for the moment, we should all admit that we don't have much custom content for the sims 3, so that's why we're all stuck with peggy's hair, and that's why we all talk about her, and you're still visiting her website even if you don't like it.

It's normal, as we players are sick of EA hair, to prefer peggy's one, no?
It's just a matter of time, but in few weeks I'm sure other creators will release lot of original and beautiful hair, and we won't be sitting here debating about peggy anymore.

And it's easy to criticize, but try to make you own hair and share it, then we'll se.

There's a difference between hair that looks good in still shots if you are careful to use just the right angle, and hair that looks good when you're playing the game.

Nope, I haven't been to Peggy's website in a long time.  I don't want to be blinded by all the blinkies & sparklies on her website (assuming she still has those).  Nor have I ever downloaded any of her hair, whether from the booty or from links people have posted here.  Over the years I've seen enough horror pics from other people's games to convince me that I don't want any Peggy hair in my game.

No, it's not normal to prefer hair that is even crappier than EA hair.  Why would any normal person want hair with gaps, that is stiff and unmoving, and looks even more unnatural than EA's selection?  At least with TS3 Peggy no longer needs to learn what colour red hair really is.

Yes, it will be nice when we finally get some original and beautiful hair for the game that doesn't have gaps, is animated, and looks like a hairstyle a real person might have.  Hopefully that day will come soon.

It's funny because people tried to pull that shit in the Elder Scrolls community swiping Poser hairs and converting them and they got called on it in a minute and ripped a new one. In this community if you do it you become a "featured artist".  ::)


I have made my own hairs for Morrowind and for TS2. The TS2 one I made for all ages, including Elders (Peggy ignores them), I made sure all the internal file references to the original cloned hair were changed (Peggy didn't; see Delphy's post earlier in this thread), I spent hours rotating the damned hair around in Max and then going into the game and rotating the camera around and then going back into Max finding and fixing all the gaps. Trust me it was very tedious but I wanted to make sure it was done right and there were no visible gaps from any angle. Peggy's hairs frequently have gaps and imperfections. When there was a problem discovered with my hair I went back and fixed it. Peggy never does this. You think she bothered to fix the first hair she did that replaced another hair now that she knows how to make them show up as new hair? Nope.

I have downloaded (and used) one or two Peggy hairs, though sometimes I'll download and then discover that it doesn't look as good in-game.  I haven't encountered anything like what Dragon Slave posted, but I don't download most of her stuff anyway.  I've gotten much better results from XMS, and raon, and even rose.  Plus, every time I download a Peggy hair I have to spend ten minutes rebinning everything with Wardrobe Wrangler.

Ugh I forgot about that. She never binned her shit. Ever. Even well after it was discovered how to do it and there were tools available.

And yeah that's another thing, I binned my damned TS2 hair, unlike Peggy.

Lucky for her, she doesn't have to worry about that in this game so her laziness won't cause a problem, at least in that regard.

Peggy has been binning for a while, she's just colorblind.  Some advice for binners -  look for the ones called "coffee".  That's the brown that always ends up in the black bin.
 

Ever go to a 3D model site like Turbosquid? You'll see how many Sims 2 creators actually aren't.    
 

If all you're doing is making clothes and taking pictures, it's no big deal.  A lot of creators don't play the game themselves, they just make things for it... which is fine... but it helps if they remember that people who download their stuff, especially those who pay for it, might want to play as well as use.  That's when the impracticalities become an issue.  Need I bring up Chaz and his celebrity face photoshopped skintones?  Who wants makeup tattooed on the face, or a skintone that only effects one lifestage?  
 

I know how much effort it takes to close gaps.  It's as simple as grabbing the faces and pulling them over the hole.
 

People are desperate for variety.  I remember all the bullcrap I downloaded when cc for TS2 was still in infancy.  It saw it's out of my download folder as soon as better things began coming out, but the cleanup was tedious, and I'd rather not have to do it again. >_>

You could also try being patient. I just wait till the good stuff starts arriving. Hell, at this point, the game is still being fixed, why would I be too worried about pixel wigs and clothes? I do download the odd thing - tedw removing the weird pineapple spray behind a style, that sort of thing.

Yeah, I've gone back to TS2 until things settle down with TS3.  It's not fun having to be reminded at every turn how much this game fails in the wake of it's own potential.  Every now and then I get the urge to switch CD's and play, but then I remember something that irked me the last time and the urge goes away.  I keep checking the progress with mods and content however, downloading things for when I do start to play again.

Meh I am a download whore but I know the day is coming when there's enough quality stuff out there that I can actually be selective and still have variety. Then I will have to do some spring (or more like fall/winter) cleaning and clear a lot of it out. Or I can just do what I did with TS2 and throw it all the hell out and start from scratch just getting quality things that I like.

I know a lot of people hate the installer and refuse to use but to me I like it. I like that I can tell what is custom content and what isn't and that I can look at it in the CAS or the design tool and delete it on the spot if I don't like it.

Installing stuff the MTS2 in a package format via Delphy's installer is annoying. I downloaded a ton of patterns from MTS2 and I'll be honest, I have no flipping clue which are EA and which are modder created. I can go to the directory folder and delete those package files but that doesn't really help me because I can't see them to tell which ones they are.

Same problem here about the patterns. I share lots, and don't know where I got them, or if they are EA's. Wish there was a way to tag them.

About Peggy's hairfail, I love them! Only until Dach at Sims Cave or the members of GOS get their hands on them and fix them, re-texure, and make them FTW! Much better than even Peggy could imagine.

Okay see this is the kind of thing good creators do who are conscientious about their work do. (And yeah, yeah, I know it's in the den of evil :P)

http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/details/category/sims3-hair-hairstyles-female/title/Simple%20Female%20Child%20Hair%20/id/897790/

I saw that and was so appreciative that Cemre made revisions. I wonder why her creations are free, they are the better ones. I didn't pay attention to whether she was FA.

SSSSHHHH!

TSR spies may be lurking here and realize the error of their ways. ;)

I missed the link to that one. Is it somewhere here on MATY?

It's kind of buried (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,15775.msg454160.html#msg454160).

I just saw that Rose updated with a new non replacement hair (and free!).  I like her attitude about the whole thing - 
 

Just shows how much of a spotlight whore Peggy really is ::)

Yes but note the files names ...

rose_free_hair01_female_af.package and rose_free_hair01_female_cf.package

Notice the _free_ and as much I would like to think she is not going down the "donation" route I certainly suspicious.

Please. Do you even have to wonder? I give her a week tops until she comes out with a 'donation' hair. I am sure all these sites are dying for more donations since TS2 is going the way of the dodo bird for the most part.

Funny thing is, I looked at the image for that new "free" hair on her front page and it said "Rosesims2" on it so for a second I thought it was TS2. :P

Oh, I wouldn't doubt for a second.  That's what they always do, make the first few free, then hit with the pay.
 
But I'm still happy to see at least one notorious pay-creator showing gratitude to those who made it possible for them to make what they did.  Rose always struck me as being more personable than Peggy, based on the few transactions I had with her back in the dark ages before PMBD.   
 

Yeah, me too.  I mean, it looks so much like some of her TS2 hairs I didn't even realize it was for TS3 till I read the message at the top. :D

Is this photoshop or did Rose convert this to Sims 3? If so, bet it will be up for sale next, once they can figure out how to usurp the public tools that pooh-poohs paywares.

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c278/mailchaser40/Pictures%201/The%20Sims%203/RoseHairSims3.jpg)

This may be hope talking, but I give Rose another month (after meshing smooths out a little more) before she starts taking "donations" again.

Or the fact it HAVE NOTABLE CLIPPING ISSUES AS WE CAN SEE IN THE GOD DAMNED FUCKING IMAGE?

 ::)

STOP MAKE ME TAKE THE FUCKING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE ROLE YOU STUPID FUCKS!!!!

Maybe she is actually respecting the terms on Wes' tool and is waiting to charge until she has a tool that she can use without breaking terms on.  The fact that she acknowledged Wes is making me hopeful.

Possibly so, but I have a feeling that she's just waiting for the tools to be perfected.  I remember that she started out with everything free on her site back when Sims 2 was still sort of new, and I'd imagine that this will be the case with Sims 3 (starting out free for a bit before putting in the "Donations Only" downloads).

Well if she does, feel free to rip her a new one but only when she does it ... not before.

I admire and respect Cemre's work, the tool she use fails. I put the longer ponytail hair on a little girl that was in the active house I was playing. It worked fine and showed as advertised. When I switched households and the little girl showed on up on a community lot, the hair had reverted back to the original mesh. I just sighed and said to myself, WTF?

I haven't seen that from any of the other custom hairs that doesn't use the tool, so it must be a TSR Workshop failure.

Oh by the way, I peeked at the Peggy and SAU hairs in Milkshape. Besides the rather high-ish poly counts, which quite frankly I expected, they didn't even bother to make new LOD meshes. They just pasted the same damned high poly one in 4 times over. It seriously takes like like 5 seconds to run a mesh through a filter to reduce the poly count.

Oh and she also has them marked to spawn on new randomly generated townies. So what this means is you could end up with multiple sims running around town with high poly hair that is being rendered even when the camera is very far away from them and you can't make out any detail anyway.

Oh, but she's an artiste. Her creations have to look "gorgeous" even when you can't see them.  ::)

That, or she's just a gigantic fuckwit who couldn't be arsed to figure out how to make the mesh properly.  Par for the course, isn't it?

(http://pws.cablespeed.com/moliva/rosesims3donationsetset01.jpg)

Damn, you called it.  I thought she'd at least wait a fucking month or so like she did for Sims 2.  Geez.

At least she admits to using WesH and Delphy's tools to make her hairs. Now without shame and lying, she throws the finger to their faces.

Won't be available as "pay" only hair for too long. Know some pissed off simmers that are buying just to share them!

i have the hair on the left in my game and it looks awful and i cant believe they are charging for that crap. the rest look just like giant wigs. lol

Haven't you heard? TEH BOOMP (http://www.bighappiehair.com/) is the New Thing.
Don't forget.. we're all really in a beauty pageant every day of the week, whether we're poolside (and not wet) or grocery shopping!

Please tell me that website is a spoof. No one in their right mind could honestly think the product or the advertisement was decent.

It's real. That same commercial played on TV not too long ago and those Bump-Its are in stores now. I just saw them at Wal-Mart the other day.

That commercial is pure gold.  ;D

I love how the girls are acting like their all beautiful and everything XD. I think like one hair looked normal. Then all the rest looked like...I don't even know...

I intend to spend my life savings creating the Bump-It for men.  My mostly bald fiance has agreed to test it for me.  I expect to be very rich. 

I thought the very small Bumpit looked okay, but it's one of those products where if I ever got into a fatal car crash, my last thought would be, "Oh God!  Now everyone will know I wear a Bumpit!"

Bum-pits are not edible, the site advises.

Rumor has it that Sarah Palin uses Bumpits.  If she doesn't, then she must tease and spray her hair daily; my grandmother used to do that in the 60's or 70's, until her hair started falling out due to the damage.  What's wrong with normal-looking hair?

Oh now I see, Peggy intentionally made those hairstyles fat to make the sims look like they were wearing Bumpits.   
She has such designer intuition!
 
The things infomercials try to sell people. ::)  Anything that makes your head look deformed is ugly to me... but, as far as shame in wearing goes, it's probably along the same lines as hair extensions or toupees'.  Just another product to make up for what's not there.

They all look like Southern US hairstyles to me. I could never use them...I have really thin, slick hair which is even worse since I suffered some follicle damage in a fire seven years ago. Those things would hurt like hell. Most barrettes just fall right through.

The TV commercials look like the models are actually sticking them straight down into their skull to keep them on.   Perhaps they're actually devices for performing home pre-frontal lobotomies.  This would explain a great deal.

I live in the Southern US and I don't see hairstyles like that on a normal basis. My sister occasionally teases her hair to get it to bump a little bit, but my hair is too thin to make them work right and teasing my hair causes too much damage.

I'm with you on that one. Grew up in the Live Oak (San Antonio) neighborhood of Texas. We saw a LOT of bumps for anything involving the football teams. Pep rallies, cheerleaders, games, etc. Anything involving pageants, beauty contests, or floats also brought out the helmet headed femmes. Other than that, I didn't really see teased hair aside from older women like my grandmother; who kept her hair cut relatively short, curled it all over, and teased the curls out to make a much softer, more realistic hairstyle.