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If two Sim have strong chemistry (three bolts) they tend to greet each other with a kiss. Am I the only one who thinks this is just wrong? I think this only happens after they become firends, but I'm not sure. Do I have to have my Sims avoid making friends with otehr Sims they are attracted to?

I also notice that and completely agree with you.  And Sims do not have to be friend for it happening, though when they great or say goodbye it won't set up a crush if they kiss each other, I am still wondering how come they are so close when they great and if you try to "hold hanld" right after they will turn your offer down!  It does not makes sense.  I have Sims with 30/5 relationship and 2 devil lights bolts doing that.

We definetely need a fix for this.  I am the one that decides if my Sims will fall for each other, I am not happy at all they act like that.

I'll join in on this too since I've always found it weird.  Its especially awkward when your sim's lover is in the same room and they're kissing other sims.

Call me old fashioned if you want, but I don't think I would react to kindly to a girlfriend of mine frenching everyone "hello" and "goodbye" simply because they struck her fancy.

Ill chime in here as well we need a fix  because the Sims dont care if they are married or not if they have three bolt chemistry they will Kiss the sim even when their wife or Hubby is sitting right there.its a bit awkward and definitley weird...............

yes, and it drives me crazy that the goodbye (or I'd guess hello) kiss will count as a first kiss :( I had some of my teens waiting for the right time and just because they went on a date and had a good date and like each other doesn't make it the right time. Takes the fun out if I hafta spend time watching for and canceling out goodbyes.

I never even thought of that but your Right it does count as the first Kiss and it shouldnt

This is what I came here to post about.  I would really appreciate a hack that stopped the kissing when greeting or dismissing sims where there is chemistry but no romantic attachment. 

Scanning the code suggests that this is supposed to be intentionally deactivated for married sims...except if both sims involved in the process are Romance sims.

The actual code for this is buried in a deeply-rooted and somewhat heavily used global function where it assumes that if there is a certain level of chemistry between two sims that they have a crush and/or are in love, even if they don't have this as a relational state. Other forms of aberrant amorous behavior may be similarly caused by this.

Shooting this piece of code down may produce an interesting ripple effect on the rest of the game, possibly mowing down large chunks of the chemistry system. Shall I go for it anyway?

Is there any way to set it straight without blowing up the chemisty system?

I'm not exactly sure whether it would blow up or not, or how deep the entire greet/goodbye problem truly runs. So far it look like it could be tip of the iceberg. There are multiple ways to attack the problem, of course, but I'm not sure which one is best.

Well I guess you could always set up the patch and mark it experimental, just to see.

i had this happen yesterday this was how ripp grunt got his first kiss. it sucked.

Seems pretty realistic for me for a first kiss to come out of nowhere, with a not-very-special person, and not really be a big earth-shattering event, eh?

Personally, I don't mind, at least not for the first kiss thing. I kinda like having the pressure taken off to make a big production out of it.

lol yeah but i wanted the big production this time.

Ive been making my teens wait til they meet  a neighbor and not a fugly townie to have  dates. so far its working

Please!

So that's what it is! Bella was visiting Joe and when he said goodbye to her (they are "just friends"), he did it full on the mouth. Right in front of his wife, too, who didn't seem to notice.

What is really weird about this greet & goodbye kissing thing is that it does not set a crush or leave any memory to the Sim.

So let say Mary greet Alfonso which was passing by in front of her lot, they spend part of the day together, she would "check him out" and 2 lights bolts appear.  When Mary said goodbye to Alfonso they add a 40/8 (or something like that) relationship, during the short time they spend together they talk in front of the tv and ate together and except for the "check Sim out" they did not try any flirt/romantic interaction together. They did not had a crush.  Mary says goodbye to Alfonso and BAM the deep kiss thing!  It did not create a crush between them.

Ok, ok don't panic Missdoh, Mary is in love with someone else and does not need another lover, she is a family Sim after all.  So I look at her memory and there is no mention of "first kiss with Alfonso", which makes me wonder why in the world are they acting this way???  They don't even gain anything out of this.  So it looks like a romance action but it is not really since spouse or lover on the lot do not even react to it.

Very very strange lol

I sure hope these few lines can help you in any way Pescado.

he has 3 bolts for Bella in my game as well but he can keep dreaming no Bella for Joe this time around.I want him to branch out more.iin my game Ive had one spouse notice and slap the bejeebers out of his wife

He noticed the goodbye kiss? Hmmm...so he was aware, then.

Humm do they have a crush?

yep Steve Did he noticed Kris Kissing Josh and now wont sleep in the same bed with her he sleeps on the couch and knocks Justin's Trash over dozens of times a day he is furious especially since Josh was his best friend .Justin see's the trash can Knocked over and gets a confused look on his face.he cant figure out why the trash is knocked over as he wasnt there when Kris smooched Josh goodbye.I think Kris and Steve may end up Divorced  as Steve isnt listening to Kris apologize. Steve has a caught Kris  cheating memory

of course Josh does  He's a Romance Sim and Kris is in love with Josh. she is also in love with her husband

And it was just a goodbye kiss?

Ok so that would explain why he did notice the kiss goodbye.

See, when Joe kissed Bella goodbye, they had no pink or red hearts for each other. They do have 3 bolts, and he did kiss her goodbye. They are still "just friends". No crush developed from that "goodbye kiss" and Marina was standing right next to them and didn't bat an eyelash.

Did you look at Joe's memory? I'll bet you a 1$ there won't be a memory of "first kiss with Bella".

Funny though Josh's Fiancee was right there and didnt bat an eyelash either and doesnt have the caught Josh cheating memory and is not furious

No, because Joe and Bella do have a strong romantic history. They have 5 kids together! I removed all the romantic flags, though.

Oh, I just thought this was some odd side-effect of a hack I had in my downloads but it seems that I'm not alone now and I can feel safe where the voices can't reach me.

 :-X

Nevermind that...

OK, yes, the whole kissing thing is aesthetically wrong. I have a pleasure and a romance, neither were even friends and they kissed when their relationship scores were only around 30.

I can assure you this behavior is not cause by an hack since that happened way before I even had the thought of adding some in my game.

What about in France? Or was that the style of kissing that was in Uni to replace that stupid handshake?

Though I do find it pretty freaky. The Sim-version of my sister (fortune) is friends (and nothing more) with one of the NPC podium peoples (no idea what his aspiration is - his name's Ian Bar or something like that). He's an Elder! She's, well, not! For some reason I think I might... I don't know. We're not talking about Mortimer and Dina here, that's for sure.

Happened again tonight with Sims that have 30/5 relationship, this is ridiculous.  Deep kiss when they say goodbye but no crush... just 2 lights bolts.  The controllable sim was not a romance Sim and except for doing a "wolf whistle" to that Sim he is guilty of nothing else....

I hope that hack comes out soon.......the french kiss goodbye's are getting on my nerves. since in my game its not just the Romance sims doing it and they dont have to have strong chemistry either

Heh I thought I was probably the only person annoyed by this.

In a way I actually don't mind the fact that this happens for teenagers...b/c one good date and that first kiss want is taken care of. And for me I hate working up to a certain lifetime relationship just so they can freaking kiss.  And then the first kiss is so tricky anyways.  Everybody hasta be in  a damned good mood, ect.

But it does get annoying when sims are tongue kissing everyone goodbye. 

If they remain friends w/ someone they dated in the past and they invite this person over let's say after they're married...yup it's a deep kiss goodbye and the spouse just stands there smiling.

In fact that was a problem before NL...with cheating spouses.  You can successfully keep your affair a secret even if you kiss them hello or goodbye in front of their spouse as long as no other romantic interactions go on between those times in front of them.

I agree, I stop checking Sim out or wolf whistle them until this is fix.  If no light bolts appear it seems to be ok but I did not had a huge chance to check if it does really make a difference or not.

Anyone else get really annoyed when the sim that you control gives the other sim a kiss when the date ends? It's autonomous, and what's worse is when the other sim rejects it, especially if the relationship isn't high enough.

I had two teenagers on a date once, who were just friends.  At dinner she didn't have much time left so I thought I'd use one of the selections like "toast" or something to give them some more time.  I found a "throw food" selection (think it's in entertain?) anyways, after she threw food at him, they developed a crush.

So yea umm, next time you're on a date guys, don't throw food at him/her.  She/he might get the wrong idea :/

J.M. fixed that one with the new "No Random Crush II: Electric Boogaloo" hack located here: http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=1509.0 (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=1509.0)

I think the Maxis people saw 9 1/2 weeks a few too many times. 

my new problem is all of a sudden Slow dancing is causing crushes even when their just friends

"Slow Dance" is classified as a romantic dance. All of the sub-actions appear to be romantic in nature. This appears to be by design.

I've had them get crushes from this, which is a nuisance if you deliberately ended the date because you didn't want them to get involved.  It's also a pain if the date ends on OK, then the kiss gives them a crush and they end-up all over each other in a way that would have made the date 'dream" quality. 

Yeah, it's supposed to be that way. I whined about it on the thread about dancing. I wish "friends" could slow dance, because there are some really cute could-be-platonic animations, like when they chat together or twirl each other around.

Well for me it does make sense that slow dancing is a romance action.  Except on special occasions like weddings I would not slow dance with everyone, not even friends.  I would surely do the "smusttle" on the other hand  :P

I also found it normal if teens or adults ask each other on a date (which is romantic) that they would kiss each other at the end if the date went well.  If you don't want this to happen, you should invite it "just for fun" instead or make a outing, not a date which is obviously a romantic thing (well for me it is).

I don't find normal though that 2 Sims which have just met and just "check out" each other or "wolf whistle" would do a deep kiss when they say goodbye espacially when they don't even have a crush and are not even friends.

Well, by "slow dance" I mean like when the bride dances with her father at a wedding, for example. That's a non-romantic slow dance (one would hope. Jer-ry! Jer-ry!). I've slow danced with friends when my husband wasn't up to it, and he's done the same. You just don't do all the close-dancing, butt-grabbing, smooching, etc that a romantic dance would allow. But when the sims keep their distance while slow dancing, and are able to chat while doing so, it's adorable. And friends can definitely do that without it leading to crushes, IMO.

I understand your point Brynne, there should be a friendly slow dance option added but I don't want it to replace the actual one, I want it added.

I love seing Sims which love each other slow dance together, and I don't want to ruin that to have it available for friends.

I don't want it replaced, either! I'm saying I would like the option available to friends in addition to lovers. Kinda like TJ's casual romance mod. My sims are slow-dancin' fools. No way I would want to take that away from them.

thats the same thing I would like the abilty to slow dance with a friend and still have it as a romantic interaction for dates and Sims that are in love

Maybe this is something that could be added to Casual Romance? Allowing slow dancing with a higher threshold required for crushes, or perhaps it only enhances relationships, but does not set crush/love bits or whatever.

But yeah, it would be cool to have as a separate option and Casual Romance seems like a good candidate.

Ste

Right up TJ's alley...
*hint hint*
 

If the assumption in the bottom of the global function is incorrect, and you correct it, is it possible the ripple effect would actually sort out some of the logical inconsistancies to do with attraction or do you think the code is too messy overall?

Yes, go for it, that's my vote.

It miswell be ...as at least in my game...slow dancing is one of the most commonly rejected social interactions.  Sims rarely accept it even with high chemistry unless they are already have crush/in love with the sim proposing it.

mine accept it even when there is no crush or love.My Romance Sim Joe Slow danced with his ex bed  Buddy Bella Goth at their daughter's wedding and no crush or love existed simply a solid friendship. he also Slow Danced with another of his former Bed buddy's at their Son's wedding no crush or love in existence Just best friends. My Romance Sim Justin slow danced with a neighbor who he was friends with but not best friends at his Brother's wedding. in my game they will slow dance even when they're not crushing or in love  but it appears to be entirely arbitrary and unfortunately slow dance isnt allowed among family members which means teen boys and girls end up stepping on their partners feet more often than not. I think Classifying slow dance by itself as romantic action is just plain stupid.in RL I bet alot of us parents have taught our children how to Slow dance as well as other Dances. I know  I taught my son when he was a teenager how to slow dance and he in turn taught his sisters his sisters taught him a lot of other dances he didnt know.  and I guarantee you that no love or crushes developed with the dance interactions in my RL Family.if My Son was a sim he would definitely have been a Romance Sim in High School with a switch over to Family Sim in Uni. He is 20 now and a Sophmore  at San Diego State University not SSU LOL .

Yeah..it would be really cute if parents could teach their teenagers to slow dance and stuff like that.

It'd odd to me that it's so easily accepted and causes crushes in your game..all my dating sims seem to detest it..of course seeing that is the want they roll up four billion times during a date heh

My Sims are Slow Dancing fools