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Ok, so send me off to Retardo Land, but I generally stick to new replies or posts so perhaps I'm way off base posting this here but I'd really like to see a hack that limits visitor autonomy and I have never come across one.
Building my case for retardo land, I still haven't installed the EPs, so if this exists, I would appreciate being pointed and laughed at and directed to such.

In a nutshell, visitors are driving me bonkers.
In a perfect sim world, visitors would follow whoever home and be good houseguests.
They would not head straight to the chess board, pool, computer, a meal that was not served to them, turn on a stereo, remove an exhausted baby or toddler from a crib, insult a family member they haven't been introduced to etc. I would like them to just stand there, or sit in the closest seat until interacted with by a family member. The only autonomy I would allow them if I knew how to do so myself would be the toilet, a visitor enabled shower, socials with the Sim they followed, or perhaps a family member if they've previously met.
If possible, I would also like anybody from child up to say goodbye.

I've attempted to enforce manners using Inge's doors (do not permit visitors) but I would like to have their host able to invite them to join anything in another room without having to raise walls and change door settings.

I can't be the only person who would appreciate such a thing can I?  Is this even possible? If not, at least I ranted, thanks for bearing with me.

Returning to my obnoxious guest filled Sim home and gritting my teeth so as not to kill anyone for their audacity,

LOL!
I have to agree with you here....sim guests are so rude! They always make a B-Line for the electronics or tvs and they'll completely ignore you if you have anything fun that they can get to. I try to avoid buying electronic games and musical instruments for that exact matter...Kind of sad, really, because the instruments are fun normally.

I don't know if something like that would be possible unless there is a way to assign the "outing" or "dates" behavior feature in Nightlife to all the Sims that are not controllable wherever they are.  The problem is that it would need to take effect only in Sim houses not on community lot, you don't want every townie to do the exact same thing you do on those lots, well that would freak me out lol.  And it would have to exclude when a Sim goes to the bathroom of course.

Well you did your request, let's see if this is possible now...

I for one would love to see a hack that would sto the annoying behavior from guests especially when it comes to them  messing witth my babies and  toddlers and eating food meant for my resident sims. I had a baby in one of my houses with a soiled diaper the sim parent went to change the Bay and couldnt because the guest wouldnt put the baby in its crib and move. meanwhile  flies started buzzing around the baby. I finally had the sim who was dumb enough to bring this guest home  say goodbye so my sim parent could care for the baby.I also found another way to circumvent the guests from getting to the cribs. in my house with 19 residents living in it  three of the residents are Babies and toddlers so I have 2 adult sims that live there having a pillow fight in front of the cribs. I also would love a hack for nightlife that sims can cook for more than six residents.the way it is now to feed 16 children and adults  at the same time I have to have 3 stoves and three refrigerators so enough food  can be prepared for the entire family.

I typically keep all of the good stuff locked behind closed doors using Ige's doors at http://www.simlogical.com/index.htm (http://www.simlogical.com/index.htm).
It is possible to lock the back door, basement (if you have one), game room, etc. and keep nosey guests out.

DJS http://www.djssims.com/ (http://www.djssims.com/) also has some nice 'no autonomy' instruments (among other things) that help keep visitors from helping themselves so much.

I get a cranky when visitors do their own thing with instruments and such, but the one thing that does really annoy the hell out of me is when a meal is served and even if clicking on the 'call to meal' - household only, the visitors end up hogging the food and the one of the hungry householders has to go and serve yet another meal!!

If their was a fix for this, then I would be on the way to being a little more tolerant of visitors!!  >:(

I find that the "shoo" option works very well in terms of getting uncontrollable sims to stop doing most things. And also, if they're holding a baby, if you interact w/ the uncontrollable sim instead of queueing up an action w/ the baby, they'll drop the baby to interact w/ you, whereupon you can cancel the interaction and focus on the baby.

But yes, a more intelligent hack for this would be awesome.

I think alot of the reasons behind this behavior is hardcoded with the whole advertising business where each of the items is fighting for the sims attention and lying to them making them think all their needs will be fullfilled if they use it. :P

There are hacks that make certain ones less desirable (myshuno, pinball etc) but then they just go to something else.

exactly but I finally decided not to put up with bathroom loitering and put into use Pescado's toilet paper roll in all 8 bathrooms I must say that works wonders in ahouse with 19 sims and assorted guests .I would love a hack that makes visitors not use stuff that belongs to the family .i put in a pool table for my family and who should run to it a visitor  another one was checking himself out in the bathroom  a visitor that is so in went thetoilet paper of pescado's  it  threw him out of the bathroom.

Wow, you've hit a nerve, here!
I've had to resort to making all my guests selectable. I don't want to do this, but I want my sims to have a pool table in their house, and that's exactly what the guests go for, first. I've had to build fences with lockable gates around a stage I set up outside just so my sims could have their little band. I have the no buskers hack, but I use all custom instruments that aren't affected by that. I have Inge's apartment system set up for extra security.  And, yes, the food thing is the icing on the cake. There should be an "invite to join" option for meals, or something. I hate having to have all these mazes and locks and invisible fences and security systems just to keep the guests in line. I would LOVE for my guests to learn some manners.

Merola's Mind Control Mirror is good for this. You can make the visiting sim selectable for just long enough to see their motives and get them away from an annoying object, and then they carry on as normal autonomous visitors.

...and then go right back to the pool table, the little sneaks. :D

Lol, seing all your posts make me wonder about one thing though... why do you keep those visitors on the lots if you find them all so annoying?  You could just say goodbye to them the minute they are brought back from work or school.  Well that is what I do when I planned other things to do for my Sims.

I sure hope you are not referring to the one's you invited on purpose to your house since what do you expect they do, sit on the couch and look at the walls for 4 hours so your other Sims would have time to do their stuff  :P

However, I do agree that they tend to use the most playful items all the time and one thing that drives me nuts is when I am working with a new family which don't have a lot of fun items, they sit in front of the tv and turn it on and off every 2 seconds!  That does drive me nuts! Also seing them play the guitar for 6 hours straight when I invited them over is a bit too much for me, I just want to break the damn guitar on their heads ;D .  But guests wants to have some fun and I don't mind they get it by themselves if they don't exagerate.

I find it normal if I invite a Sim at home that it will join the family to eat, if I don't want them to eat with the rest of the family I simply say goodbye to them before the meal is serve.  I can always call them back later and invite them over or simply talk to them if I want to make friend with them.

It's so annoying when you place one of your Sims way up on the third floor to play one of the computers in one of the bedrooms to have a damn visitor immediately upon arrival make their way up there and complain to me that they can't play that computer because your Sim is playing it. I mean come on, they just bypassed at least 3 other unoccupied computers (and probably more expensive ones) on their way up there, but nooooo, they want to play that  with that one. Ugh!

I have the same problems with the bathrooms too, I get so angry at them that I  use the cheat "move objects on" and delete them. I found that technique pretty much solves  all my visitor problems  for me ;D

I use the smartserver mod from Dizzy2.  It cooks as many meals as there are hungry Sims (discounting the non-hungry ones).  It also cooks for visitors, so there is enough to go round.  It 16 meals are needed, 16 will be cooked.  If 3 are needed, 3 will be cooked.  Wouldn't be without it now.  Even children can cook meals for the entire household, although they can't serve them so will just leave them for everyone to help themselves.  Sims won't autonomously cook only for themselves, they will always cook for everyone, but you can instruct them manually to just cook the one meal if you want to.

You can get it here: http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=70736

What annoys the hell out of me is when they spend an hour watching TV, then when their host is busy cooking a meal they suddenly decide that now is the moment to play kicky bag with them!

Unless I want the guests, I'm afraid I zap them the minute they act anti-socially!  And I have the hack which means that kids and teens have to ask permission to bring a friend home after school!

Cool, thank you for the links, radiophonic...I'll certainly be checking those out

Thanks I downloaded it and installed it

There's also Carrigon's pizza-oven which has kids cooking pizzas like there's no tomorrow!

Good, things should be much easier now. My sims have only one stove to cook for all 23, because of that hack.

I hope so.Pescado's bathroom uses you  works wonders in Justins house it booted a loitering guest out out of 8 bathrooms he had to loiter in the bathroom I was sending Justin too. so Installed the toilet paper roll and all of a sudden I see one visitor come flying out of the bathroom like his feet were on fire ;D Justin got to the bathroom and I see a toilet paper Icon show up in his Qeue and under it in a circle I see the toilet so I skimmed over it and the toilet paper roll had given Justin orders to use the toilet. ithen gave him an order to take a shower when his hygiene was maxed it booted him out of the Bathroom

What I do with guests is I macro socialize them till I'm done with them and then I have them go home.  I also give them a motive boost cause they usually arrive pretty low on their motives.  But I believe meal time is for the family only maybe a boy or girl friend now and again.  But guests are gone by mealtime.  The socializer is great cause you don't have to babysit them just check in once in a while.

Where can I find that toilet roll hack? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Sorry, couldn't resist   :D

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?topic=7.0

It's called "bathroom uses you"

it is called bathroom uses you .its in the hack directory here at MATY By JM Pescado

Ha Ha. I won.

;D can I send you an IOU?

Little side question on bathroom uses you...which I love...but I do not want folks to take a shower after they go to the restroom...so is there a way to get them to not do that? Put the shower in a separate but adjoining room, perhaps?

If the shower is more than 3 tiles from the toilet paper and you set the radius to 3 or if you put the shower in a different room and set it to seek in the room only then it should ignore the shower yes. I believe it will normally not make guests shower anyway though.

In general, I find it good practice to put the shower and toilet in a separate room anyhow. In some countries they do this and from a game perspective it just makes more sense so that someone taking a shower or bubble bath for a while doesn't prevent someone else from using the toilet or force them to have to go to another floor to use one.

Thanks for that info, Motoki. That one feature was driving me nuts. Back to the game to put all those toilet rolls back in! :-)

I don't even want to think about how my game would become so slow if I would have so many Sims on one lot, and I have an headache just thinking of how in the world I could manage so many in one single house.

Brynne, you need to give me huge tips here, I have 4 Sims on a lot and it drives me crazy since I am a control freak but for some odd reason I keep playing with freewill on...

EDIT  Is this a running gag or do you really have that many Sims on the same lot  :-\

Bangelnuts: So you owe me an IOU
Missdoh: Not a running gag. I honestly play that many sims. Did you see screenshot I took? Here it is again:

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/Brynne14/cp.jpg)

Oops, I lied. See the girl in the green hat, first row, seventh sim down? She's only visiting and selectable. So I have 22 sims living there.

Geee unbelievable!  Now where are the tips to manage that many Sims I need them now!  :P

EDIT: I am serious, I need help here!

I'm not talking about invited guests, but the stalkers following people home from school or work. It's great to make a new friend, but in the 3 minutes it takes the kid to put homework in the bedroom, their annoying friend can do numerous unacceptable things.
Merola's mirror is indispensible, as are Inge's doors, I also use Dizzy's smart serve, but am certainly not cooking when none of my Sims are hungry.
3 kids each bring a friend from school, then dad brings home a co-worker... all these guests would be fine, but I want them to act like guests. The kids, meh, talk, play, joke 2 or 3 times then say goodbye, actually, adults are the same but if someone has to pee first, I would prefer not pausing to send guests to run laps around the yard until their host is ready to be social.
I've created foyers with sofas and locked all doors to visitors, but then I have to fence in the pool and hottub and fence it in so you can only access it from inside the home. Then I have to unlock them if I want them there. It's a nuisance, particularly considering most of my homes have at least 8 residents, most being of an age to bring home guests.
This would also prevent the Marsha Bruenig syndrome. Yes, my Romance sim does want to meet someone new, but not the little girl his kid brought home, my Sims already know too many people and I don't want everyone from baby to elder on a first name basis with every stray following someone home. I hate when little Zaira is heading to the phone to call a potential friend and that very friend calls to chat with her grandpa.
I've wondered if Inge could create a no-visitor autonomy door so visitors could not enter unless called over or asked to join, but I know nothing about game code, so I thought a general post would be a better way to go.

For some reason, no buskers doesn't work in my game, so for families with instruments I make flat roofs and put everything on the roof.

I like the new "invite friends" feature, because then they will actually hang out with your Sim.

Do you have custom instruments? Nobuskers won't work for those, unfortunately.

How do you get that many Sims in the house? I'm assuming it's a hack of some sort? I'd love to be able to make a Weasley family and not make one of their kids disappear.

I think the teleporter shrub will move sims in over the normal max limit.

Yeah, I use the teleporter shrub.

You need to install TJ's schoolbus - bring friend dialogue hack - before the kid gets off the bus you get the message pop-up asking if they can bring the friend home.  You get to say no if you want!

And you can say goodbye to Marsha Bruenig forever if you use the new version of SimPE to delete her.

And with the NPC and visitor Zapper, you can get rid of friends from work safely before they put there hooks into the best sofa and ruin it!

Oh, I see. That's convinient. I'll have to try it in a test household!

They're global hacks, but if you don't like them they're easily removed. 

Holy simoly Batman!

Brynne - what are your computer specs? Do you have a lot of custom content on that lot?  I've been building my apartment buildings but haven't put any families in them yet - they've been the "swinging singles" pads but I would love to have a big city tennement with several families living in them.

You just use Inge's teleporter and say "add to family"?  Does that make them all related or is it like "combining households" where they live together but aren't related?

It's like combining households. Their are no familial ties added.
The teleporter shrub is very easy...you just teleport in the sim you want to add, and then "move in..." and click his/her name. Voila! Instant roomie.
Be aware, though, that JM has warned me my game may do the fiery ball thing,  but so far, no problems. And I've played this neighborhood for over a year. But, still, you've been warned. ;)
I have a ton of custom content! I'm a download addict. And my computer specs are modest. I play on my laptop. Of course, I bought the laptop for the purpose of playing the Sims 2 (that's just wrong, lol!), so it does exceed minimum specs. 2GHz Pentium M with an Ati Radeon Mobility 9700 with 128 mb dedicated. I need more RAM, though. Only have 512 mb. I've had no problems with lag, but loading is slooooooow. I need to upgrade my harddrive. I really need to upgrade my hard drive. But the game itself runs beautifully...

I have a laptop installation, but the specs are not quite as high as yours, but it runs the base game with Uni ok, as long as I don't put a lot of downloads in.  It also lags if the neighbourhoods and lots get too big.  So generally I play on my desktop, which has twice the RAM and a better video card.  (And loads of hard drive space for storing stuff!)

That is a.. lot of sims!  ;D Well I also have a laptop which has Pentium M Dorthan 735 (1.7 ghz or something), Mobility Radeon 9700 128mb, and 1GB ram, but I can't bear more than 6 sims. Maybe I am too much used to fast shooting games.. :-\

My PC is going infor a biggere hard drive because Im such a download addict. the guy told me though when  he boots up the PC it wont have stuff like microsoft office etc...which I deleted off my Desktop anyway.I get rid of stuff I dont use enough to warrant it sitting taking up space in my hard drive.

Why not just have a second hard drive for storage?  That's what I have and it's twice the size of my working disk.

ultimately I will have 2 hard drives but the way my PC is formatted it is easier to use my current drive as the recovery drive when the new drive is installed it will be a 120.GB where my current drive is only 40

Oh, well, I have 40 and 80, can't afford more nowadays, but I have a second PC which has another 40.  (But I find the larger disk being the storage one works better for me!  Although, you can always compress everything on that drive.)

You're absolutely right, I do need to download the dialogue mod, but I wasn't sure if it was compatible with just the original, and as I'm trying to clean out my game before installing them, just thought I'd wait.
Marsha doesn't bother me, I grew her up ages ago to teen, gave her a family aspiration and the poor little thing is wandering around to be used by romance sims, never truly filling her wants. I did briefly move her in to a home long enough to allow her to produce a child, (grandma was a family sim, but her kids were mostly romance) but returned her to townie status immediately after the birth. I occasionally check her wants, and she still wants a relationship with her child, but the kid couldn't care less about her.

Also, it's not that I don't ever want company in my homes, I just want the company to behave like, er, company.

ooh, does the new EP actually delete Sims properly?

No, SimPE does.

Does it? I thought I read on another thread - the simpe version 2nd to last - the beta - had delete sims but it mucked up other sim DNA. The latest version of simpe - alpha 0.50 does not include sim deletion?

oops, that's what I meant, new PE, not EP, I love fall/winter, but my pleasantly cold room tends to wreak havoc on my typing.

I'm really anxious for comprehensive Sim deletion....unless I'm mistaken, I don't think it's quite ready for Prime Time yet. 

I'm running the latest release to the masses, 0.50, and there isn't Sim deletion. :(  I understand that a version with deletion was released to testing, but I read in other threads there were problems.

Cannot wait to clean out some driftwood surgically.  I hate killing Sims off. (Never used a cowplant.)

No it doesn't. So if you have that version you'd better stop using it because it's been known to cause problems and from the sound of it lol, sounds like you have enough problems in your game already. ;)

if you have the sims2 enhancer  you can use it to safely delete a sim. I deleted a sim with it and it removes the sim and all character  files, I made a sim I literally named "test Subject" I put him on a lot in a existing neighborhood. saved exited and went into Sim PE to make sure he was in the neighborhood .I closed  SimPE went to sim enhancer brought up his household and clicked delete. I got the message that that would delete "test " and his character files permanently did I want to continue. I clicked ok.  and save when I went back to the neighborhood he was completely gone I played a family for a while and then saved exited and went to SIMPE to check if "Test" was still listed  in the sim Browser or character files he wasnt . if your going to do this  though I recommend you dont do it in a neighborhood that is known to be extra buggy like VeronaVille.. I used my custom hood I am playing now to do this.

I have the Simenhancer also. I haven't tried deleting a sim yet, but if you do does it delete every single trace of them? Like if it's an existing sim who has met other sims, will their memories of having met that sim be gone or will they now say "Met Unknown"? There's a lot of other files to delete when you delete a sim, particularly if they've met and interacted with other sims in the neighborhood already.

yest it does delete all traces including memorie of other sims meeting them.Test met and interacted with  three families  before I deleted him and I have played my families  who knew Test   and had social interaction with  him and they have no memories of ever meeting him. the only Sims listed in their memories are those still currently active that they Know and interact with

What about the sim DNA issue? I think Ancient Sim narrowed her issue down to using simpe to delete sims. Have you checked your sims to see if their DNA still has both dominant and recessive skintones? I'm interested to see if that error was a quirk of simpe programming, or if it is something that is mixed up in the game somehow.

yes I have all of my Sims have recessive and dominant DNA listed in Sim Enhancer by name if its custom color if its a default Maxis Sim it lists  the skin and hair color and eye color , Custom is listed by a number,color and who made the  hair or eyecolor.I dont use SimPE to delete Sims as the newest version doesnt have that option .. I use Sims2 enhancer and that ompletely deletes all of the information The deleted Sim Hadit doesnt send it into limbo land somewhere amongst all the other Sim files. all of my inGame Sims  have correct DNA listed in Both Sim PE and Sim Enhancer.. For example I have Identical twin Boys that were CAS created the Mother Has Black Hair and Opaline Eye Color and Hairy Naturals skintone. The Father Has Dark Blue Eyes and Brown Hair by Janna. and Hairy naturals skintone. the Boys Dominant Genetics are listed as Black Hair by Lola which matches Mom and recessive is listed as Brown Hair by Janna . The dominant eye color for the boys is opaline and their eye color is listed as opaline. the recessive is listed as dark blue eyes which matches the father's DNA. Skin color is Hairy Naturals as both Parents have the same skin tone

Thanks bangelnuts. Damn I would like to have the ability to delete a sim but still refuse to pay for SimEnhancer. :( At least there's a way to do it where it's not mucking up your game.

if you have sims you are desperate to delete safely The Sim Enhancer 2 gives you a 2 day free trial and any changes such as deleting a sim remain permanent after the trial  period expires. the deleted sim won't spring back to life the minute the enhancer isnt there

Good point, but unfortunately I used my free trial about a month ago when I was checking sim DNA after Ancient Sim's alert about DNA problems.