More Awesome Than You!

I started a new custom neighbourhood yesterday and really weird things are going on.  After creating it, I used the delete all characters cheat, then made several new families.  Once I had four families in situ, I set about creating new townies.  The game made the usual collection (mainly decent ones, to my surprise), then I went into SimPE to tidy-up their aspirations and so on.  This is when I saw the strangeness.

None of these relationships are showing in the Family Ties section of SimPE, neither are they in the actual relationship panels, they are only showing in the SimPool (instead of being greyed-out, they are open).  First of all, a toddler in one of the new families, although showing his correct parents in his family tree, also appears to be the child of one of the townies and has a high relationship with her, even though he's never met her.  Similarly, his mother is apparently this townie's sister and also the aunt of her own child.  That's all I noticed after the first day.

Today, I created Downtownies.  For some reason, I only got adults and teens, no elders or chidlren.  These included four female adult clones and several teen clones (same face, same hair, same clothes, same Sim).  There are several relationships between these downtownies and my Sims.  The same toddler who had a new mother yesterday has another new mother now and several of my Sims are siblings to the downtownies.  One male Sim in my latest family (the family where I created the downtownies) is the child of a Matchmaker and a postman, sibling to a postgirl, and married to a male driver.   The male driver also has relationships with the Therapist, the Hula Girl and the Grim Reaper.  As he's apparently married to my Sim, perhaps he would bring them along if he invited him on an outing.  Even better, his 'sister' the postgirl (who doesn't appear to share either of his parents), who's almost friends with Grimmy.  Grimmy has several acquaintances among the working NPC's, including Mrs Crumplebottom.  He's almost friends with her as well.  Oddly enough, he doesn't know the Hula Girl at all.  It's not just NPC's, either.  Grimmy is also very well-acquainted with one of the Downtownie teen males and one of the adult females, plus one of the normal townie adult females.

I have no idea whether this is meant to happen or not, but I suspect the latter.  I know the game creates random relationships amongst the townies so they have people to bring on outings, but I didn't think it dipped into the Default pool as well, let alone Sims created in-game.  I am going to leave my Sim married to the driver, sibling to the postgirl and son of the postboy/Matchmaker (wonder if she seduced him with one of her potions) while I see if any of them invite him out and bring Grimmy along.  If they do, I will be sure to video the proceedings.  And here I was thinking I was creating a brand-new neighbourhood free from all the strange carryings-on in Pleasantview.

Talking of Pleasantview, I'm just checking through my Grim Reaper file in there now and it appears he does have relationships there, namely with all the Goth ghosts and also Jeff & Diane Pleasant.  I suppose that's understandable, they do come from the same neck of the woods (so to speak).  He's clearly becoming more sociable now if he's starting to communicate with the living.

You have to keep this 'hood and take many many many pictures!!!
I laughed throughout the entire post!

So Did I  and I also want to see pictures. in my neighborhood the custom one that is The Grim reaper only Knows one person Jennicor Tricou. and since Jennicor is dead not much chance of the grim reaper being invited to an outing in my neighborhood. and he doesnt know the Hula zombie in my custom hood either

It's not finished yet.  I am currently in SimPE and I've just discovered that a Downtownie teen male is the son of an adult male Sim I have just made and installed in a house.  They've never even met!  His mother is apparently another Downtownie teen - my Sim doesn't know her, either.  This teen is also married to a townie female adult and is himself the parent of a female townie teen, although his wife doesn't seem to know her so goodness knows who her mother is.  All this presumably means that my newly-created Sim, who hasn't even had his first kiss yet, is already a grandfather.

Of course, this marriage didn't show-up in the family ties, but the relationship panel showed them as being in love, 95/85 and spouses.  If I find another like that I will leave it in and get them together to see what happens.  In fact, I may go back and re-install the relationship and do it anyway.  I don't know if they would recognise the 'relationship' if it isn't in family ties, but it might be interesting to find out (even more so if I take the Inteenimator out).

Incidentally, this townie teen is also well-in with Miss CrumpleBottom.  Maybe he could get away with stripping-off in front of her and not getting beaten about the head with her handbag.  Perhaps I might just make her his mother instead ...

I'm laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes! Please keep us updated! Interesting to see who Jericho/Justin's family turns out to be once you get him into the game...Watch his mom turn out to be someone totally off the wall. Say...Bella, perhaps? 

I'm still in SimPE and now I've discovered that one of my new female adult Sims is the sister of a paperboy.  This paperboy also has a 95/85 relationship with a teen boy in another of my families.  It says they're family but doesn't define the relationship.  Well, I know what it is, because it's used 95/85 before.  They're MARRIED.  The game (or SimPE) is just too shy to say so, with 'em both being male an' all.  But I am grateful for small mercies here, at least they're both teens and I do have the Inteenimator installed so they can woo-hoo if they want to, as long as my Sim gets a free newspaper out of it. 

And this paper-boy is well-in with Mrs Crumplebottom, too.  I am beginning to think she is behind all this.  She's up to something, I can tell. 

Ahhh, the old coot.

Well, my brand-new male Sim apparently knows her now as well.  She seems to like him quite a lot too, almost to friends level.  He doesn't seem quite so keen on her, though.  This really is the weirdest thing - this guy hasn't even left his lot.  In fact, I haven't even played him, I just put him on an empty lot so I could create some downtown elders.  How the dickens he managed to meet Mrs Crumplebottom is anyone's guess.

And all this is before I've even sent anyone to Uni.  I dread to think what is going to happen when the drama professors are created ... I have this vision of them pinning Mrs Crumplebottom across the bar and seeing how far down her throat they can get their tongues ... (can I say that sort of thing on here???).

No you may absolutely not. The non-existent rules forbid any tonsil hockey what-so-ever.

Unfortunately, yes. Yes you can. And thanks for that.  :P

Well, all I can say is: It's about time Ancient. I had no idea how much I missed your 'Tales from Pleasantville'. You absolutely have the most fascinating (and incredibly funny) things going on.

I haven't checked SimPe yet, but some of my downtownies have odd relatinships (as in related to). I send a Pleasantville teen to college, and he shows up with people as relatives that seem impossible. Not to your extent though; none of my CAS or inborn sims have managed to be as amusing as yours.

Keep on posting, it is better than anything that the TV can come up with in the comic relief department :D

ROFL  I would love to see that as that old prude wouldnt know what hit her ;D

The only thing I have to say to this (apart from *lol* ;D) is - are you sure that it's the game making these strange relationships, and not a bug in SimPE? Are you still testing out strange new beta versions of SimPE?

But, um, yeah - assuming these relationships really are turning up in the game - TAKE MANY PHOTOS!

No, the relationships aren't showing-up in the game, just in SimPE and TS2 Enhancer.  They're in the "Sim Pool" in SimPE, not the actual relationship panel, but they're not greyed-out.  They don't show in the Family Trees, though.  And I'm not using the Beta version of SimPE, I'm using the last-but-one main download.  I do have the Beta version installed, but I haven't used it since making this neighbourhood.

Anyway, it's getting worse.  My original guy now has some new relationships to add to those with his mother/sister/husband.  He is now the grandfather of the toddler I mentioned earlier - he's also the grandfather of the toddler's mother, which makes her the sister of her own child.  He is also the father of the teenage boy mentioned in an earlier post, so this teenage boy must be the father of the toddler and his mother (clever kid, managing to father someone older than he is).  I am not sure I like the way this neighbourhood is going.

Also, even though he apparently doesn't know her, Mrs CrumpleBottom has now appeared in his list of known "Relations" (she was in the SimPool before).  Presumably this is because she was present on the downtown lot he went to earlier today.  I am convinced she is at the bottom of all this.  She is actually getting memories of meeting people and they are getting memories of meeting her, which I'm sure didn't happen before.

you can right click the pictures and remove relations  like I did when my sims started having people show up in their relations section that they never even knew. let alone had a relation ship with. I think its the games way of giving the sim a contact list or something . I prefer the old fashioned way letting my sim meet the neighborhood welcome group and making contacts downtown and at work that way I know for certain who my sim  knows and or is related to

No option to remove the relation, only add it.  They're not in the "Relations" panel, they're in the SimPool, which is for people they've never met.  That's what's so odd about it.  They only time I saw this before was with Bella & Mortimer, who have this 'hidden' relationship in the SimPool.

even in the sim pool you should be able to right clik and remove relations  I did. thus creating two seperate pool  because I also right clicked  relations and added them  and  put the correct  relation ship in  that  separated the sim pool from the relative s instantly in my custom neighborhood. it was tedious though as one sim had everyone except the grim reaper in his panel of known sims   once I right clicked and removed the relationship it started a sim pool for him . I then went to the first actual relative I could find and right clicked add relationship and then set the  fact that that particular sim  I right clicked was his mother and two pools were born sim and relations . I still had to go down the vast "relative" pool and remove all those who were not related though

I appologize if this is even the slightest bit off topic. I thought it fit in well with the creating a new neighborhood.

Recently I made a new neighborhood. However, I don't like it. I went about creating it the wrong way, so sometime today I'm going to make a new one. However, in your post you said you deleted all characters. I know that's possible with the DeleteAllCharacters cheat. But later you said you "created Townies" and "created Downtownies" how is this done? Is there another cheat that spawns new townies?

the debug cheat can do it and I think that Dizzy(?) has made a hack that can do it.

Really? I'll look into it. Is the hack hosted here, or MST2, or somewhere?

This makes me shudder! How terrible! What has Maxis done to our Simmies? Arg!

I wonder if it has happened to all hoods or only happens to new ones. has anyone looked at their old hoods SimPool?
I'll have to do this.....

Kingdom (sorry, that's probably not spelled right), you can get it here:

http://forums.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=76225&highlight=dizzy2

or you can get it at *cough-VS-cough*. I don't have the link to there, for some reason I get stuck/timed out every time I try to get to one of the forums.

Dizzy2 states you should not use his NPC/townie generator in NL. You can do the same actions through the mailbox anyway.

Ancient Sim, I have to tell you how much I enjoy reading your posts.  ;D  You and Brynne (and a few others) bring so much flair to your games!  I wish my happenings were half as interesting.

Ancient Sim, I think I read that the version of SimPE before last - which is what I think you said you're using - has bugs and may fubar your sims relationships. I've got the latest - Simpe 0.50 Alpha - and I havn't noticed any relationship anomalies. If you're starting a new n'hood it might be safer to upgrade.

Hmmm ... well, I will try using the other one, but to be honest I am sort of getting used to the new relationships now.  Adds a bit of spice to the proceedings.  Anyway ... I have PICTURES now.  Not of the relationships - oh no, this is something else entirely.  Weird?  You bet.  It involves (amongst other things) a dead Goth woman, a sex-changed Beau Broke, Jericho Pemberton (hi, Brynne!) and what appears to be the result of mass voodoo rituals in Acadamie Le Tour.  You'll have to wait until later today though, I need to sort out all the pics and I have to go out for a while.  Be patient, it's worth it. 

Please tell me Jericho doesn't have the hots for a sex-changed Beau Broke! He's his half-brother in my game!
Wait...no he's not. He's his half-brother's half-brother. I'm so confused...

Er ... well, I think he has one lightning bolt for him/her (her/him).  At least he doesn't fancy his grandmother-in-law, Cornelia Goth.  Be grateful for that.  And yes, Cornelia is at Uni with Jericho.  Why wouldn't she be?  Oh, just wait for the pics!

Oh, man. You're killin' me!

in my Game fortunately Justin doesnt have the hots for males they disgust him. however as nice as Justin is most of the time  yeowch if he gets angry with another sim he wants to fight with that sim and crank call the sim in question both actions I have been cancelling out on him at which point I am called a glamrod. he is angry at Finch Loveall a sim he barely knows  because he thinks Finch was flirting with his wife. I saw the whole interaction so I know Justin is wrong . Finch gave Honey a friendly Hug because Honey was crying it was during the hug that Justin walked in and got the wrong Idea. well to make a long story short  Justin is now refusing to sleep in the same bed as Honey and he slapped Honey silly. Honey has apologized numerous times but Justin Literally puts his fingers in his ears and walks away. so I guess  I will have to wait til Justin cools down and see  how the relationship is as Honey is pregnant right now by Justin

Now, I admit that today I am lying in bed stoned on (prescription) opioids, but... :o ?!

This I must see!

this I gotta see  ancient how the heck did Jericho/Justin land at Uni when he is an adult? and with a dead elder as well?

I suspect that the new "agesimscheat" is responsible. ;)

This is Ancient's new hood, and Jericho has just been put into play. Presumably as a YA.

I know it's Ancients hood  Im moretrying to figure out how  a dead elder  Cornelia Goth ended up at Uni

I will say the same answer again... I suspect the new "agesimscheat" is responsible.  Ancient set them both to be teen again and then sent them to Uni, that is my guess.

hmm I didnt even know that cheat existed

Ohh it is one of the seven new cheat we got with nightlife.  You type the cheat and the option to "set age" will appear on ALL the Sims (including NPC and townie but I think you need to make them selectable first).

The only odd thing I notice about it is when you change an adult back to be a teen, the remaining days stays the same as it was so if you had an adult which had 20 days left before becoming an elder it will stay the same, I did not try yet to make any Sim I gave that "jouvence cure" reach 15 days (which is the normal number of days for a teen) to see if they will or not turn into adults like they are suppose too.  Anyhow I change them so they can go to Univeristy and be YA so I did not wait more then 3 or 4 days after I turn them into teen.

Bangelnuts, you should try it, it is pretty fun, imagine Mortimer Goth as a teenager  ;D

now that would be funny ;D

I aged Mortie back to an adult when I first resurrected Bella, but decided he's more fun as an elder. Something about the young Morty shoving my sims just isn't as funny to me. :D

I just changed them to YA's in SimPE, which is why they were still elders appearance-wise when they got to Uni, then all it took was a quick spawn of the Inseminator's Temporal Mod..  Actually, it gave me an idea for sending elders to Uni.  By changing them in SimPE they will look exactly the same when they arrive - they will be YA's in terms of how they move and act, but appearance-wise they will be the same elders.  I think that would be far more realistic and I might try it sometime.  Not possible for them to use the mirror to change their appearance though, they become YA's physically as soon as they do that.

Anyway, enough of that, I'm spoiling my story (if it hasn't been spoilt already).  Thanks to Brynne for suggesting the idea, I've put it together as an album on Photobucket.  You can either click on each picture individually, or view it as a slideshow.  There are captions with each picture.  You might find it easier to view them individually because there is a maximum of 9 seconds per picture for the slideshow and it isn't really long enough.  And none of this was contrived, by the way, it all happened naturally in the game!

Here's the link: http://photobucket.com/albums/v734/jools1953/Stranger%20Than%20Strangetown/ (http://photobucket.com/albums/v734/jools1953/Stranger%20Than%20Strangetown/)

oh my gosh that was hysterical I laughed until I cried

Heh, without Two Jeffs hack to give the YAs Adult walk animations they're about as slow as elders anyway so not much difference there. ;)

Ancient Sim, tell the truth now - you have a pile of sim bodies in your basement haven't you? Can you look me in the eye and swear no sim was hurt in the making of this story? I thought not! Shame on you, you sim mangler you.

That was well worth the wait! Oh my God, how funny! The faces were creepy. Like nightmare-creepy!
What in the world was going on there? Was it just the dormies that showed up like that?

Yes, just the dormies.  I have no idea what caused it.  I do have TwoJeffs mod for choosing the sex of dormies installed, maybe that caused it because they had to be generated at the same time, although I can't see why.  Probably just because the entire neighbourhood is downright bloody weird.  Problem is that those faces are still on the doors and there's no way to refresh the pictures (why?), so I'll have to remove their doorkey memories in SimPE, then clear them all off the lot, so they all come back again and re-claim their rooms.  I don't really want the game generating anymore, although I'm tempted to let it just to see whether they are the same as the original lot.  Most of them now are dormies from Strangetown that I cloned onto the originals.

hmm that is weird I just had a massive exodus of YA's from Sim state  that graduated today but no heads with out bodies and none have lost their hair in the tub and none had their make up run like that either. I think My 5 sims would have preferred if their Dormies had heads only.I did have daormie tell my sim it was gettig late so he had to leave though. I have no clue which teens I will send to Uni next  I have  about 14 that are ready to go  I just have to decide which ones to send first.the only one going  for sure  when I send the next batch will Be Chloe Walker I might send Frocorith with her  I havent decided yet