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Something went wonky when I sent Angela Pleasant to college, but didn't send Lilith.  I didn't do this in-game, but rather from the neighborhood "send sims to college" function.  Angela was a member of the first University household I played, and I hadn't really played the Pleasant family yet, only opened the lot to check it out, decided to send Angela to college but make Lilith wait until she raised her grades.  SO - When I went back into the Pleasant house, I immediately noticed that Lilith had aged to adult (bummer), all her needs and aspiration bars red, all memories & relationships (including family tree) wiped, and 0 hashmarks in all personality traits.  What took me a little longer to notice was her very deep voice, and that she now pees standing up and uses the men's room on community lots.  Lilith is now recognized by the game as male. I went about seeing what I could fix, and used cheats to age him back to teen and to give him a personality.  Thanks to the AL patch from this site, which made the schoolbus come and evidently corrected his shool hours that had started off showing 12am-12pm, Lilith was able to raise his grade to A+...because he no longer had a family tree he also got the Orphaned Sim Grant...Life actually looks great for Lilith now as long as he doesn't mind being transgender, and he doesn't seem to.  I've played him a while because he's so darn fun, and frankly, amusing.

The only potential problem is, since Lilith's new gender identity was caused by something like that first-born syndrome (dontcha think?), like he respawned off Angela or something thus turning out male, but kept the female skin, he would be considered corrupt...

On the official Sims2 site, users warn to either kill off or put corrupt sims in the family bin and NEVER play them again, lest you DESTROY your whole neighborhood!  Is this a real concern?  What could happen?

I'd like to keep playing with Lilith, especially since he/she's in love with Stella the alien girl, and I want to see if they can try for a baby...bad idea?

As this is my first post, please excuse me if it is too long or if my question is just too stupid.  Faceless as forums are, I'm put at a disadvantage here, as I usually get by on looks alone IRL.  Thanks in advance for your understanding and any helpful input.

Are you ruddy gawjus, or something?

Please post a picture so we can decide whether or not to help you.

LOL  I was actually only trying to offset the noobness of my post with some self-depricating irony, but if you really want to see what I look like, I'm googlable.  I'd attach a link, but I think I read in the "read this before posting" rules that that is not allowed, and I certainly do not wish to offend.  At any rate, if someone would interface with me on this issue with something more intelligent than the hysterionic advice that I've received so far to never play a corrupted sim without any further explanation of what kind of armageddon to expect, responses will be very appreciated.   I had already played the sim quite a bit before being told not to without noticing any problems, and I want to keep playing my corrupted sim, but I obviously don't want to kill my game...

Also, it may have made me seem less retarded had I included the information that I have all EP's installed, and that I installed all of them at once, with the exception of FT and AL.  Thanks again for any ideas.

That's not self-deprecating irony, that's out and out self aggrandisement. In fact, it is not irony at all - go find a dictionary. Personally, I would only help you if you were ugly.

Julie Fucking Tinkerbell - good god.

Well I think Julie is very beautiful inside, and I am going to make her a nice cup of tea! 

Please excuse me if I have offended you somehow, as it was not my intention at all.  Perhaps my statement would seem to be self aggrandizement to someone who would prefer to be dumb, but I was conceding that (alas) I am not any smarter than I look, and pointing that out as a handicap in my plea for mercy should one find my question stupid.  I never said I was beautiful - read the post.  I might be the bearded fat lady making my living in the circus freak show for all the information I gave about myself, hence the room for irony. Truth be known, I've always considered myself rather average looking. Thanks for the advice about the dictionary and your opinion about my name.

And sincere thanks, Inge, for the tea to help break the ice.  It only took me 3 days to muster the courage to post here for the first time with my question.  I was so afraid that I would be so far behind since I waited so long to get TS2 and the EP's that I've read darn near every post on this site to avoid annoying you guys with a goofy dinosaur question.  I hope someone will be kind enough to share any information if they have it, since I considered asking here my best chance of getting an answer from someone who know's what he/she's talking about.

We do not know how you look, nor do we care to. We only know how you post. Your post was just fine until your last line. Work on your irony; there's not enough ferrous to qualify.

As for your problem. No issues should arise from mating Lilith with someone, if the game allows you to (which I suspect it will). Fixing her is easily done in SimPE. I can't recall the exact tab, but it's in Sim Information (I usually use the Sim Browser to get to it because I like the shiny pictures). The line is "treat sim as...".

I'm more concerned with how this issue happened in the first place. You weren't screwing with Lilith, so how did she suddenly become an adult? Either someone else is playing with your game (doubtful), you are telling us a fib ala the guy who said his sim dog ate Santa and then burned down the house, or you have a hack that is not approved for your latest EP or conflicting, and you need to be smacked upside the head. Are you killing kittens?

Knowing what hacks, mods, CC, and patches you use might be helpful.  Knowing which EPs and SPs you have installed and whether or not you've been playing in SimPE would also help.  Also, knowing the condition of the house prior to sending Angela to college would help.  One of the reasons for your sporkage is probably your delivery.  You stated what was weird, but with no real information on before, after, and what extras you have that may affect the situation.  (I'm leaving your appearance and name choice completely out of it.  They are just the vehicle used to spork you for the lack of information.)  Perhaps you could share the additional information, and we might be able to figure out A) what happened, and B) how to fix it.

Off the top of my head, if you are familiar with SimPE it is possible to alter Lilith's gender by modifying the character file and the neighborhood file.

Thanks so much for your reply.  At the time of the occurence I had just installed TS2 and all the EP's prior to FT.  I had no hacks or custom content and had only official patches.  I have never used SimPE...I'm just not that advanced.  The condition of the Pleasant house was almost virgin - I had entered the lot to check out what was inside before deciding to play a family that was more interesting to me.  I had never sent any sims to college before, if that matters.  What I had done immediately before is send another playable sim to college.  From the neighborhood view I got the option of sending other eligible sims to college, and I chose Angela Pleasant, and townies Debbie King and Ivy Copur.  The next time I opened the Pleasant house, Lilith was an adult.  At that time I thought maybe it happened because she and Angela were twins, and Angela had just aged up when I sent her to college, but then noticed all the other stuff and figured that surely it wasn't supposed to work that way.

I can't shed any light on how Lilith got borked, but it may be of some consolation to know that you can't really corrupt your entire game installation by continuing to play with him as he is.  At most, other strange things may begin to happen in Pleasantview, but if you play a different neighbourhood, or even just reset Pleasantview at a later date to play again from the beginning, your game will behave as normal.

If you'd prefer to play out Lilith's life change, I would advise you though, not to do any more things that might cause corruption.  Chief among them is to avoid deleting sims or families from the sim bin, or the lot bin.  Similarly, avoid installing lots from other players which come occupied with families.  Also, do not attempt to move in or marry the NPCs (service sims) until you learn which are safe to interact with.  Townies are fair game.  Finally, it might be a good idea to collect the critical fixes from the hack directory for AL.

Thank you so much, that was what I was looking for.  I like the new Lilith, honestly - I hated her before and planned to kill her off.  When she became transgender, it seemed to fit with her story, and the new Lilith suddenly made easy friends and actually began to "fit in". There's ferrous for you.  And she looks great without makeup with her new unisex haircut and horn rims.  If I could remember how, I'd attach a picture.

If I already have downloaded houses with families, is it gloom and doom now?  Because I have. 
How do we know which NPC's are safe to interact with? That makes me nervous.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ezzer/julieschatpage/ (http://home.earthlink.net/~ezzer/julieschatpage/)

LAWL

You are googled. And you are found.

Yer not very versed in your programming. I suggest you E-mail your creator and ask them to work on you.

No lie.  :P I'm in desperate need of attention.  Someone might get to me if they weren't so darn distracted with sims after finally getting TS2. 

Well, I have to say, kudos to you if that's you on that page. Your English is better than many English folks!

If you are severely concerned with your sims and what's broken, there's an easy fix.  If you run on a windows system, then just delete the sims2 folder in your "my documents" folder.  This will force the game to recreate all the contents from scratch, resetting all your neighborhoods to their original pristine state, and removing any and all extraneous sims and houses.  This will also permanently remove any custom neighborhoods you may have made.  It will undo any changes you've done to your neighborhoods.

In the future, when downloading houses, occupied or not, I would suggest you use CleanInstaller to install them.  CleanInstaller gives you the opportunity to select only the lot itself, without sims, custom content, or hacks/mods. 

A few tips:  Never delete sims from the simbin.  Do not use the petsEP expansion *occupied* houses that came with the game.  Don't play with cheat codes unless you know what they do.  This includes all the "boolprop" and "Intprop" things available.  This site is a gold mine of information on how the game works and what not to do and what to do.

What is wrong with them?

Something about the lot bin being bad for occupied houses.  I can't remember, honestly.  I was advised to Never Ever put an occupied lot in the lot bin, and Never Ever take an occupied lot OUT of the lot bin.  It supposedly breaks the lot in some unknown-to-me way leading to strange-lined memories and general borkedness.

Nasty bits of severed files. Would you go fishing in a pond full of rotting fingers? Besides, they are in ugly Maxis-crap houses.

Empty templates are your friend. You can find them  in Peasantry, currently on the first page. The instructions make them look more daunting than they are.

No, you haven't offended me, just triggered a small moue of distaste.

Are you saying that you think I would prefer to be dumb? Well of course I would not, I would prefer to remain intelligent. What a dumb thing to say. What you wrote was indeed self aggrandisement, as the following statement indicates. (Are you even aware that the whole world does not spell words in the American way?)


Your implication is that you find it easy to get along on your looks alone in real life. Pity about the lack of intelligence.

Don't delete sims from the Sim Bin? Am I supposed to follow that crazy list of instructions in War Room every time I want someone disappeared?

Yes, or just ignore them.  Deleting from Sim Bin is BAD.

If you use clean templates, there are no sims in the simbin.

Hey, don't blame Pescado.  EA is the one who codes up a mess.

No, I was saying that it didn't seem that you understood my post. That's not what I said, and even if it WERE what I meant to imply, who cares?  I didn't say I was better than anyone, insult anyone, or even call you Miss Arrogant Bully Cow.  It just looks like you read a lot into what I wrote and went headlong into flamer mode.  You ignored the point of the post, and latched on like a pitbull to a harmless incidental statement made in jest that you could have chosen to ignore.  If this is the type of reaction a small moue of distaste triggers in you, it says more about you than anything I said....about myself...sheesh...
If you're not offended, good.  If you prefer to be intelligent, even better.  Let's start now by dropping this pointless bs, mmkay?  I didn't come here looking for a fight, I came here to discuss TS2, and this thread was just starting to get good.  Please don't spoil it.

Oh honey, I'm so sorry the big kids are being mean to you. I think Inge left us some of her tea over there. No, you may drink the last cup. Inge's tea doesn't really agree with me for some reason.

Seriously though, it's very obvious that you haven't lurked around here more. Your post was fine and dandy, until you decided to play dumb and say that you get by on your looks alone. Why should we want to help dumb people? They probably couldn't understand our instructions anyway.

Doesn't the FAQ say that MOAR FIGHT is our motto? If a fight can be had then by god we'll be there with sporks drawn. Ignoring stupidity just doesn't happen around here; that would have been very obvious if you'd lurked more.

If you really don't want to fight then you'll ignore me and resume discussing your hilarious problem, but I'm hoping you'll tell me how wrong and how mean I am.

FTW. Or you can make clean templates (the add-on ones, not the new 'hood ones) yourself.  Deleted 2 is kind of like the empty template instructions...looks a whole lot harder than it actually is. Some of the steps (writing down hex numbers) aren't even needed with real SimPE.

It just now occurs to me that this topic, "Oops, Did I Break It?" is not posted in "Oops, You Broke It."

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At MATY, FIGHT FINDS YOU.

Because I wasn't sure anything was broken, or that there was a problem.  Nice kitty.  I was asking the question because I like the way my game is playing, but was warned by someone that I was destroying it by playing borked characters.  I really just wanted to know if there was any truth to that, rather than rely on superstition, since I don't know enough on my own about how it works to know if it would even be possible to ruin the game with a borked character.  Some people here have been very helpful, and I got what I was looking for and then some.  Thanks!

One thing mitchellcjs said sticks in my mind though, not to play he pre-made Pets EP families- Since I got eveything all at once, I'm not sure which familiies came with what EP, but I'm assuming Cyd Roseland and Tara Kat did (cuz duh), but are there any others?  Thanks again.

Playing with borken sims is a bad thing if you like the neighborhood. It may not cause problems now, but later on down the road, VBT will start happening. Then, when your sims actually are bugging out, don't come whining here for a fix, because you were told what not to do.

Also, Generation X: The first ironic generation. Also, the first Generation not to know what ironic means.

See, I attribute that more to Generation WTF.

People that are younger than 20 now (Generation WTF? or Generation GIMME! you decide) piss me off. I actually had a girl get pissed at me that the check she was depositing from mommy and daddy wouldn't be available BECAUSE HER ACCOUNT WAS NEGATIVE. Sorry, but you have to pay US first before we'll let you have money. Duh, dumbass.

The Kim Family and the Kat Family are in occupied lots in the bin.  Cyd is with his dog in the bin, but not in a house.  There is also the Crittur family which is simply two dogs - they are not in a house either.

(Edited to add Crittur family)

Entitlement Generation is what I've always heard it called. Anyways. I'm Gen X (barely) and I understand what irony is. I'd say that's more of a Gen Y issue.

You can drop it if you like, I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Mmkay?

Yours
The Pitbull

One question about the empty templates, how empty are they?  Are they just empty terrains, empty buildings, are the maxis families there or are they gone etc?

Empty Templates = No sims. All the lots are still there.

What if I want to play the maxis families, is there a way to get a cleaned up version of them?  Are the graves that came with the game there on the lots, or are those cleaned out as well?

If you want the EAxis sims, then you don't want the "clean template". The entire POINT of the clean template is that it removes all of the EAxis sims!

The Clean and Empty template thread does have some "cleaned" templates which have only the playable and known sims in them, so you may want to get ahold of those.  Most people stopped caring and reverted to the empty templates, though, because who really needs 500 townies of any flavor in their game?

If you want cleaned up hoods then I'd recommend HP's megahood. Otherwise, empty templates.

I agree wholly with this statement, and I'm one of them. I frequently have the urge to throw javelins at my peers. A few years ago, in my math class, there was a girl who bitched at the teacher so much that he asked to have her removed from it. She had such a sense of self-entitlement, she actually got pissed at him for failing her on a test and said he was out to get her. How the hell can you be "out to get someone" on a MATH test? It's possibly the least subjective thing in the universe.

What do you mean by that thing about the bank, though? Was she not intending to use the cheque to pay off her debt? Dammit, I hate people.

I don't know what generation I am... At 23 years old (in non-pescadian years, that is), what would I be? X? Y? Something in between?

If she was overdrawn at her bank, they'd wait until the money actually showed up from her mummy and daddy's bank account (3-5 biz days or whatever is the standard).  After her bank sees that the cheque didn't bounce, they'd clear her debt, and she'd be allowed to have what's left.  If you think about it, it's a pretty sensible way for banks to treat people who overdraw.

There are several, very different dates for classification of Gen X, and none of them reach past 1981, so I guess you're a Gen Y.

From the context, obviously severed files are bad for some reason, so what is the extent of the "badness"?  From the fishing pond o'fingers example, sure that sounds yucky, like it would stink, etc., but it wouldn't bring about the end of the world...or would it?  What game problems could these severed files cause?

It causes file corruption. I believe it starts with things like corrupted gossip memories getting passed around from sim to sim, and/or toddlers having adult wants. Then gradually more and more bizarre behavior until the neighborhood becomes unplayable. Sometimes you see the results of this, like sims disappearing, adults having the behavior of children because they aged up improperly, dogs that are just a floating head with no visible body, and other such creepy stuff. Sometimes you don't see a darn thing, which leads people to argue "oh, I use occupied lots from the lot bin and nothing bad happens so it's fine!" Either way, your neighborhood will eventually become unplayable.

The binned inhabited lots that come with the game are 'clean'- they have no memories, gossip or links to any sims outside the lot. I can't see any problem with using those in the game.

Wonder what Gen  32-33 year old Non Pescadians fall into..

A colleague, who has been working in this topic area for a master's paper, sent this to me the other day:

The  Silent  Generation...
people  born between
1925 and  1945.

The Baby Boomers...
people born between
1946 and 1964.

Generation X...
people born between
1965 and  1982.

Generation Y... 
people born between
1983 and 1997.

Why do we call the last group of people
Generation Y?

I had no idea until I saw this caricaturist's 
explanation! A picture is worth a  thousand words.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/nz_witch/YGen.jpg)

Wha...? I was always sure I'm a Baby Boomer, now I discover I'm a Generation X instead  :'(.

Witch, that picture is priceless.

I appreciate that explanation, the "aha!" light came on - I've wondered what symptoms to look for, since I played these families right away after getting the game, not knowing any better at the time.  I've been playing for a while now, and only a few odd things have ever happened, nothing particularly unpleasant or disruptive so far, the most significant being the one I described at the start of this thread.  I have not played any of the problem families after finding out about them, but they do still roam the hood and have relationships with other playables.  Will fix gossip and clean up memories on the lot debugger at least help with the ensuing corrupted gossip and memory files? Then would more drastic measures be required to quarantine (or repair, or remove) the borken families/prevent damage to the neighborhood?

One sister is Generation X while my other sister and I are Generation Y. That's so weird.

My son and I are 2 years away from being in the same generation.

Awww shit.. I'm a Gen Xer? -skulks off to put self down-

I'm a generation Y. And I thoroughly despise it. I do wish an untimely death upon most of my fellow Y-ers.

As for the rest, I wish no harm upon any of them individually, I just wish they would practise safe sex or abstain.

These "Generation" dividing lines are arbitrary and reflect nothing. I suggest you just stick with the Rule of 6. The Rule of 6 is far more telling.

So has it been Pescado'd, so shall it be done.

So I guess I fit into the 18 category. I hold this with contempt as well. Although at least I'm not in with the 60+ crowd - far too many of them are too conservative for me to be able to stand being alive. I want to move to Sweden.