More Awesome Than You!

   Since the official Bork Pool for Apartment Life has ended, it's time for all you unpaid EAxis testers (you know who you are, don't try to fool us) to come out of the closet and post all those shiny borkens you've found.
   I'll start things off:
   An apartment building with multiple families, one family with a toddler.  Adults in the other family has the option to give their neighbor kids a bath.  A bork or a feature, you decide.  In either case, me not want!

Hmm, don't think anyone had that particular 'feature' in the Bork Pool...

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Bad Female Teen Witch face texture is missing.

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Entering a non-playable sim's apartment building.

Those are the two big ones I found so far.

Pffft, I'm not surprised. I can't wait to see what booches when I install AL.  ::)

Can I throw in multiple hairs in the hair bin as a bork? I don't care if they have different coloured clips, but seriously! I don't need 234345 of the same hair. That's not a good thing! D:

ETA: Ugh, and looking at the file names of these hairs so I can hide them, it seems as if they're colour blind. One named grey clip actually has a red clip, and one named red clip actually has a green clip, a red and black (file name) is actually green  ???

Not bork, but laziness. Several items released with FT are in AL in additional bins, marked as new AL items. Also, there's this fugly-ass octagon house hidden in the far corner of Belladona Cove. Hidden, as in "can't see without a camera mod". It is named Watervista Palace. It has no water.

   It could be worse, EAxis could've plopped a pre-made family in it.  ;)

Ok. Real bork. Animation issue with toy dog (which is lame, by the way):

Kara is playing with the puppy. Where's the puppy?
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Oh! There's the puppy!
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   Okay, i need confirmation for this circumstance.  Multi-playable-family apt lot.  The pre-placed playables especially.  All playable apts are visible UNTIL a controlled sim enters/leaves another playable's apt.  Once that happens, then the apt turns invisible, just like the townie-neighbors.  Go in and play another family on that lot, and they also need to enter/visit the other playables to turn apt invisible?  Until that point, your controlled apt includes objects in other apts (serving meals, used newspaper count, bathing neighbor's toddlers, etc).

Very first house I loaded.

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They're not drunk or blind. They're just sitting on their pile of money and throwing together expansion packs and stuff packs and not doing any quality assurance.

I'm installing it right now. I can't wait to see wtf will happen...I'll post pics if anything interesting appears. Who knows maybe the little dog will have fathered a baby by a pregnant pre-made sim (remember the Ottomas family?)

I... don't get what I'm looking at here. Plz to explain?

It looks to me as though the sim (Leandra) appears twice on her family tree -- once as the child of her mother and once as the child of her father.  Well, her father and her...uncle?  Eek.

Has anyone else had issues with the neighbours complaining? I had a couple of dishes that were covered in flies and was going to clean up but the two next door neighbours kept coming to complain (4 times each!) so I couldn't tidy up. Cancelling the complaining in the queue didn't work as it seemed to override whatever the sims were already doing. The only way I sorted it was to wake up another member of the household and get them to get rid of the dishes while the other sim listened to the complaints.

Bwah ha ha ha ha...

and so it begins.

Ehr, don't know if it's a bug or not but my sim just died... Adult and all needs in green. :S Never had that happen before.

She's also her own twin sister.  :o

Can I haz picture of Watervista Palace?

In the "Kiss"-category is a choice to dance. Oo Nvm, they kissed eventually.

On the Prima Guide writer's blog, he sells the hidden Waterview place as a 'feature'...

"There's a very cool hidden lot for you to find"

There's nothing cool about a lot you can barely access. At least the one in Pleasantview was still easily accessible.

Was going to get the mail, and for a sec the regular mailbox showed and then went back to the apartment box and getting the mail action resets. I can't get my mail. >_<

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Ew, ew, EW!

Here's a MEGABORK: The Physiology study option is apparently HUGELY borked. I was working on updating commskilling, when I noticed they added the +25 IQ "boost" for Physiology in an odd place: At the END of the code block, where it is deallocating the "situational" bonii like Asianland bonii and protein shake. It is then never removed. The exploit: If you learn "Physiology" and then study body, your sim will gain +25% IQ every study loop, and it will stick until the usual suspects reset it. This means you can easily get well over several-thousand-percent learn rate, and since it then affects generic IQ, it will apply to ALL skills. It is simply MASSIVELY, MASSIVELY borked.

Commskilling will, of course, fix this.

Get to releasing an AL Directors cut! *whips*

At least the stuff that doesn't need updating.

The anywhere smustle has been a bork since the dance was first introduced. I've already opened a topic involving the underground helicopter, not really a bork as I was trying to do it. But I think the fact the helicopter can't be placed on the roof without cheating is a bork.

My game keeps crashing...actually the comp restarts all of a sudden. It's horrible...I should remove my CC and see what happens. Oh and from what I had the chance to see (not very much since it keeps restarting), the seasons icons near the sim's photo (those who show what season is and how many days are left in that season etc) are some weird looking glitchy gray squares. It's getting on my nerves already!

Yes, you should.

Trying to run an EP with hacks or CC without an all-clear from the creator is just waiting for a disaster to happen. 

It used to be that CC was OK from one EP to the next, but not any more.  Every new EP since Pets has managed to break some CC.

Ugh> I finally got the game loaded and my ride beeped in the driveway. >.< I will probably make a little time tonight to check out the new bork and features before hitting the hay. I'm leaving work at lunch time, cause I can't concentrate anyways. :P

I'm not sure if this is AL specific or if my game is just strange. Since it's a new EP, I took out all my CC like I always do, deleted cache and it's STILL happening.

When I try to get one of my sims to study one of the new skills, they'll take the book from the bookshelf, sit down, open it, close it and put it back. I figured maybe it was something to do with the bookcases not being updated or something so I tried it on every single bookcase in the game. Nope, still happens. Nothing is cancelling out the interaction so I can't figure out why they refuse to study anything but cleaning, mechanical and cooking. I figure it must be one of EA's wonderful bugs.

I have always had that issue with study/parenting, I have to get them to macro>concentrate to actually study it without them putting the book back on the shelf.

Okay, I started fresh, no CC, I went to Belladona Cove and here is what I found:

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It's horrible. And it only got worse. Not to mention that the peek a boo interaction existed but everytime I made that sim do it she would just stand there. Oh they fucked up big time. It might be my video card also ( as in it's not good enough) though I previously updated the drivers.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/Punk-anarchy/bork2.jpg)

Here's something cool, objects missing. Yes, missing, about 60% of them were gone, I couldn't see them. Short: invisible objects.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/Punk-anarchy/bork4.jpg)

So, I decided I'll be Ap. Life-less. That's it.

Looks like file corruption to me. But then, I'm not that awesome.

Is anyone else noticing a huge increase in lightning strikes? In one storm, I had three fires in a building that only had two trees.

It looks as though some of your previous expansion packs have become corrupted somehow.

Seasons or Free Time or both...

I played AL for 30 minutes this morning and these are the bugs I noticed:

- Potty and high chair that came with FT are missing the wooden colours, I can only choose white ones. I can place them on the apartment, but they're invisible and so I can't use them.

- I directed my sim to first clean up dishes and then cook a meal. She cooked the meal and ate it, with the cleaning still at the end of the queue (notice it was the first thing I directed her to do).

- When my sim finished eating, she walked out of the apartment, down the stairs and placed the plate on a table there. This was to be expected, but it was still annoying.

- Trying for baby in the closet worked like this: Man sits on sofa reading a book. Woman walks to the closet. Woman opens the closet door, "*bling* I'm pregnant", woman closes closet door and leaves. Man is still sitting on sofa reading a book.

- I don't know if this is a bug or if there's something wrong with my game, but there's no video clips on the television anymore. When my sim tries to watch television I just get some text on white background on the tv-screen and that's it. Also my sims can play The sims 3 on the videogame thingy, but there's just a blue screen and no sound.

The text strings for almost all the spells are broken. They are missing spaces and periods.

I'm going to guess you have an ATI video card -- this was a bug in the release version of FT that was finally fixed by the 2nd/3rd patch, and also fixed by an update to the ATI drivers.  Looks like it's back.

Are you sure that's a glitch? It looks like Eaxis hair to me.

Yes, I do. This is actually the first time I've had this problem. I have FT but never had any problems (like this anyway) and I never patched my game. Maybe I'll try updating the drivers and see if that helps.

Fathers are grossly overrated anyway.

Looks like Pescado is going to be very busy.  Thank goodness I am the prison/school/locking_doors person not the gamefixes person :)

You removed the CEP, right? It probably needs updating...

Both.

Urgh. All the text strings looked fine in the preview shots. Then they went ahead and changed them to their fugly borked state.

The Belladonna family trees are really screwed up. I got the child/parent/sibling thing too, but with some dude in the Cho family tree. Not to mention that absolutely everyone is divorced. Again. The memories seem fine. For now...

Now this is annoying! All tooltips inexplicably have a space before whatever it is they say. It looks a little strange. I wonder what's causing that?

Are you sure this is a bug? It sounds like an accurate description of what TS3 will be like.

What are you talking about?  TS3 will be the bestest game EVAR!

(Credit goes to The Literate Base. If you don't get it, read MOAR #grah.)

Hm. EA like small things. The sign that let's you walk to community lots has a new witchy recolour, but the thumbnail is so small it's difficult to even look at it. Also, the "Needs" text is really small and will drive me nuts. I hope there's a way to fix that.

Just realised I didn't. I removed all CC-stuff but forgot that one. It's removed now and I also updated the drivers. I'll start the game in a moment and see if anything's changed.

Forgot: I can't seem to find an option to vibrate the More Romantic Awesome Than You bed. Very cruel joke, as EAxis should know that nothing associated with MATY would be borked.

It worked fine for me, though it took a few tries before she actually got pregnant.

All colors and interactions are working fine for me.

Relax on the bed first, then click on bed again. You have "Read" "Day Dream" and "Vibrate"

Maybe it is just this 1 teen, Tara DeBateau, that can't work out by using
the expensive radio that came with GLS. Or it is a problem with every teen.
As soon as I click on work out the que drops and I can't select work out again.
Only when she does something, but it still drops out of que.

I tried this, and Vibrate was not an option. I did not test both sims on the bed, however.

I had that problem with just the base game.  Some teens just refuse to work out on the stereo, it seems.

Some sims have ADD. I know that FT sims had a hard time studying parenting if their fun was full. If the fun motive is maxed out and you're getting sims that won't study, work out, or whatever. Try dragging their fun down or make them concentrate.

Also, for future reference. DO NOT POST about errors in your game if you have inteenimator or insimenator installed. You should've removed those hacks before installing your game. People can't get around to fixing REAL errors if you clutter up the thread with issues that should be taken to the right forum.

This happens here every EP.

I tried this with two sims relaxing on the bed, on both sims. No "Vibrate" option, either on self-click or other-click. I'll try some more tonight.

You're meant to click on the bed aren't you, not either of the sims?

Car Alarm installation - boned doberman edition

Selecting the "install alarm" on a car causes your sim to drive off, then suddenly re-appear in the middle of the lot with the car in the driveway.  The alarm is not installed, but the funds are deducted.
This happened with 3 cars I tested (2 maxis download cars, 1 nightlife "standard") on a home lot.  Maybe it only works in apartments now, will test further.

I tried that as well. I was clicking every which way.

Nope, still have the same bugs. The Sims 3 still doesn't work (it has a flashing blue screen). The SSX-game works fine, though.

And my sims still keep WooHooing in the closet the same way. This time the husband did get out of the toilet with WooHoo on his queue, after his wife had already got pregnant.

Oh, and Humble's computer is also invisible.

Well, I've played for about 3 hours now and knock wood, remarkedly little borkedness.

I was all prepared to come here and back-up Zaza's "no vibrate" problem, but I think I've got it figured out. If a single sim is relaxing on the bed, the vibrate option is available on the bed or the sim. Add a second sim relaxing and no more vibrate option anywhere... borked, I thought. Then I checked the nevah, evah wrong Prima Guide and it indicated that two sims have to be cuddling to get the vibrate option back. Haven't gone back in the game yet to make sure, but that seems reasonable. Also, per the Prima Guide, any nested actions with that cuddle will maintain vibration... e.g. cuddle>vibrate>makeout>woohoo... the vibrating won't stop until the sims break out of the cuddle interaction.

I have no problems placing a helicopter on a roof. Are you using the helipad in driveways to place the helicopter, Aner-Dyfan? It went on the roof fine for me with no cheats, helicopter was useable, no problems. The only place I couldn't place the helipad (and, ergo, the helicopter) was inside, and really, why would you put a helicopter inside unless you had a nifty opening roof?

No problems with color options for the FT nursery stuff here.

The new wall height thing also works on cc paintings (well, at least the one I tested), so YAY! I was scared that I was going to have to update all my paintings to use the new function.

I did get the neighbors running into my playable's apartment when my sim was giving birth... that'll get annoying. IRL, the neighbors WOULD NOT be invited to my (hypothetical, never to happen) home birth unless them came bearing enough Fentanyl and Morphine to knock out a rhino.
 
I'm also getting the ADD on the new bookcase skills, but I think it might be related to maxed out fun. The sims are also getting off the piano when their fun is maxed, which is a PITA. This Eaxian obsession with kicking sims off skill-building fun objects once their fun is maxed out... DO NOT LIKE.

ETA: Well, that was too good to last. Apparently, apartments cannot be on beaches. It fucks the lot so everything around it (including the ocean) is floating up in the air. Great job on that, Eaxis. 'Cuz weren't beach lots the hot new thing just a few EP's ago?

Well Belladonna isn't flat like I initially thought. One more useless hood to be added to the list.
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Took me long enough, but I finally figured out that I should test if other FT items work. They didn't. So at some point installing AL borked my FT install. So.. Never mind that bug, I'll re-install both. ::)

Worst thing about this one?  EAxis knew about it and couldn't be bothered to fix it -- check out the readme.  I don't know about you, but I'm always happy to receive a big middle finger from a multi-bajillion dollar conglomerate.

So is this EP the worst load of borklocks to be released yet?

Well, at least primp is still there, which kinda surprises me actually. I guess all their attention went into not forgetting that one.

Now, it seems I can't move inhabited apartments from place to place. Can still move other lots and uninhabited apartments. Anyone else can confirm this?

Are the Nightlife hood-deco buildings missing from the catalog now, or did I screw something up? I could have sworn they were on the last tab where the new AL deco buildings are, but they're not showing up for me. As near as I can tell, all other objects from NL *are* showing up though.

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I'm getting that one as well.

I dunno. The BV spawning fiasco was pretty freaking bad. It would take a lot to trump that.

The cellphone is useless for incoming calls.  When they try to answer the damn things just disappear from the inventory.

After I put in the DC, I've gotten TONS of errors. Most of them result in the sim reseting and therefore the queue being crashed. Also, on community lots, the sims that aren't playable just stand there doing nothing

This is already the case in my game, and I have not installed AL yet.  The only real problems it causes is that if I exit while the sim is on the cellphone and there are no other phones in the house, other sims can't call them.  This is easily solved by just canceling the talking-on-phone interaction before exiting.

Dude, there isn't a DC for AL yet.

There is an AL hack directory already though.

There isn't?
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/samples/ffs/al/moreawesomethanyou-al.zip is not the DC?

No, that's not it.  They reach into their ass to answer the cellphone and poof, it's gone.  The wall phone will still ring and can be answered, but the cellphone is no more.

You did pull your CC/hacks, right?

Ah, my mistake. I had assumed that JM would put a link to it in the Director's Cut thread when one was available. Carry on, soldier!

AL finally added decorative slots on top of base game large dressers. As usual, they can't update anything for their life without breaking something along the way.

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By changing subset name of dresser mesh for absolutely no reason, EAxis effectively borked all recolors for this dresser, including the default 4 colors. Why, oh why mess up with GMDC, when all they really have to tinker is CRES? Ack. >:( Also notice borked shadow. FAIL.

This will have to be fixed in new CEP.

The install is as pure as a Vestal Virgin.

I had weird issues with trying to create a new custom neighborhood (kept crashing after it created the pets) so I deleted my EA Games folder to get a new one, figuring I'd just play Pleasantview for awhile. Except I don't have a Pleasantview. I have all the other ones but the game didn't create a PV. How to get it back?

I don't know if it's a bug or a feature. When your Sim is off-world and the clock is x3 and the school bus comes to the lot, whether you have kids or not, the clock goes back to Normal mode.

I'm also finding it more difficult to make friends...it could just be one particular Sim, though.  :-\

This was probably intentional laziness, but sims can't run on the spiral staircases. Very annoying, and I'm pretty sure now that they just copied Marvine's animations, cleaned 'em up a bit, and took the afternoon off.

Oh, and someone called it in the bork pool about the ceilings cutting off the top of wallpaper. Narrow trim (or whatever it's called) is not visible when ceilings are visible, and you can only see the bottom part of wide trim. And that nice wallpaper seen in TashaFaun's post? Can't see the upper bits above the curving part.

Doesn't look like they broke the piano, though, for a refreshing change. And at least the ceiling lights line up properly with the ceiling, from what I can tell.


Does your C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2\TSData\Res\UserData\Neighborhoods\N001 folder have a -bak on the end of the folder name? If so, remove the -bak. Renaming it is one of the clean custom 'hood tutorial steps. You'll probably need to delete and regenerate your My Documents\EA Games\The Sims 2 folder again, though. If that doesn't work, then I dunno.

Okay, I added the current ffs hacks in the AL directory to my downloads folder. The sims just stand there and reset. Took the ffs hacks out - game works fine. I've no other hacks. I assume the hacks are just fine, which means I probably have to reinstall, right?  ::) *sigh*

Nope -- there's something in nopedostalkers.  A fix is coming, but that's where your problem probably is.

Ah, that's a relief. Back to patient mode.

Should be fixed now. EAxis randomly changed the arguments format.

Whatchoo talking about? My CAS had all three dress types. Update the thumbnail?

I think someone already mentioned that glitch.  I'm sure Pescado will fix it when he gets time - judging by the number of updates he's done already, he's pretty busy adapting pre-existing hacks and hasn't had time to fix new borkenness.

In the meantime, use the normal phone to answer the call.

New glitch: When saving, I've been having the game freeze up on me sometimes during the save process.  I am now saving every 5-10 (real life) minutes so that I don't have to keep replaying the same days over and over and over again.

I suspect it may be related to "clear gossip" on the batbox, as it only does it when I've finished playing the lot and I try to save (I routinely clear gossip before I move on to another lot).  Doesn't seem to occur during my "just in case I can't save later" saves.  I tested this theory by "clearing trash" and was able to save, then I nuked attraction markers and was able to save.  After these successful saves I immediately cleared gossip, and got a freeze during save.  I'll try playing a few lots without clearing gossip and if I get any more frozen saves I'll update this post.

Here are my two problems with AL:
My Sims cannot turn into witches. All of my custom content has been disabled, in both cases. Here is the error log for the witches...


My second problem has been happening since Free Time, but I thought that I'd mention it. Every time a Sim who has Cuisine enthusiasm attempts to rub their tummy, an error log pops up to tell me that the animation is an empty string.

Any ideas?

UPDATE: I am removing my error log because I have fixed both problems by reinstalling.
I am one content chick- that is, until the next glitch comes to my attention... ;D

This one is kind of obscure, but should be mentioned somewhere.

I build a lot with a bunch of mobile homes.  The kitchen and living room were one room and for authenticity's sake I used one of the flat floor strips found under fencing to mark off the kitchen in each of them.  Units were rectangular boxes and the last five squares of one end were enclosed by the metal strips.

When the unit was rented the kitchen was not considered part of the apartment.  Nothing could be put in the kitchen, and the only options on the refrigerator were juggle and the OFB make and make many.   I also noticed that in trailers occupied by non-playables the rest of the trailer was black, but the kitchens still showed.

I moved the tenants out, rezoned to residential and removed most of the strips.  In one trailer I left the strip intact, in another I left a gap.  In a third trailer I put in a regular fence with a gate.  The result was that the kitchens with no strips, the kitchen with the partial strip and the kitchen with the fence and gate all worked as normal kitchens again.  The one I left the whole strip in was still shown as being "outside" the rented space.  Oh, and the units rent roughly doubled due to the place having more space and appliances.

Conclusion.  If you put a fence in with no gate which fully encloses a part of an apartment the enclosed part of the apartment is considered a common area and can't be changed.  This wouldn't be a big deal, except that it includes the fences that can easily be stepped over like the floor strips.   

I don't expect this to be fixed, but I figure it should be documented for when someone else runs into it and doesn't realize its the floor strip thingie that's causing it.

(I hope my explanation was clear.)

Predictably enough, date/outing gifts and apartments don't play well together. Gifts are dropped off in the common area, and then can't be moved/sold from buy mode.
So now I have an expensive telescope that not only takes up a lot of space, but can't be used by anyone because it's placed right next to a pool. /whine

Yeah, this fence is considered a wall/fence with no access. You can use it to create a second entrance (surround the door/gate with the fence then lock it).

I was wondering why my sims cell phones suddenly kept disappearing..  I even found one lying on the floor one time and picked it up.  Odd.

I have the same problem with the appartment were the Cleveland's live.
One of the apartments downstairs stays black. In that appartment I constantly see a sim
jump rope. :D

I'm going to have to make myself another override for the utterly fucked up text in the game.

Considering my favorite gameplay involves surviving off of date rewards -- an escort agency, if you will -- this is a major Do. Not. WANT.

found a WONDERFUL bork, while moving a family into an apartment building i built.

I found out that, if you use those room divider fence thingies (the little itty bitty ones that sims can walk over, and come in black, white, wood, and metal) from within your apartment, the game considers that to not be apart of the apartment... so if your apartments are unfurnished on the side where the door isn't, your family is screwed and may have to sleep on the porch, that is of course if it's on the side where the apartment door is...

I have found a problem when making your own apartments... Wrote the cheat, saved, moved in my sim. Everything works as it should but the mailbox is the regular mailbox and not the apartment mailbox... >_<

Yes, it's incredibly frustrating to not even be able to move a door or a window, or plonk a hot pool down. I was pissed off that I made furnished apartments for my sims to move in to - just renovated some EAxis ones - yet when the sims moved in, only the kitchen and bathroom stuff was left. What's with that? People rent furnished apartments.

I also managed to bork the apartment controller somehow. I moved a hood in its entirety from the laptop to my big machine. Dark Trepie and his lot were fine, but witch kept throwing errors. The apartment door was lockable; but I kept getting a message that I should select an apartment. None were selectable. I deleted on the error message eventually and the errors stopped but the game didn't recognise the sims that lived there. I even exited and entered the lot again but no new controller must have been generated. I do have logs if anyone's interested. I had had nearly all the DC in before this happened. I moved witch and her lot out, then in again, that fixed it. (Re-decorating for the third time)!

Luckily I packaged the lot at the point of furnishing, as I now realise that one chess table outside, with no lights and no shelter, is a crappy communal area. This is the Crossroads lot, I wanted to make two apartments with three double bedrooms each so I could try out all the witches. Dark Trepie lives with the boys and Artemis Witch lives with the girls. Now I can't fit all their friggin' cauldrons in.

I'm probably going to build something custom now as this is too irritating.

BTW has anyone else noticed there's no pest control?

I'm also having the cell phone problem.

The furniture disappearing (except for basic utility items) is by design, and was addressed in that chapter of the Prima Guide that was posted online. It said you should furnish the apartments, because otherwise when you go to visit NPC neighbors there won't be anything in their apartment. What would have been better would be a dialog box asking if you want to rent the apt. furnished or unfurnished, then it sticks or disappears accordingly.


I think the landlord is supposed to provide pest control services? Try reporting it to him.

   I also borked the Apartment Conttroller for one particular lot.  I was testing some old, unsupported (but loved) hacks at the time.  Kept getting the errors at save, and then every time i tried to enter that one particular apt.  Ended up having to move everyone out, bulldoze the lot then plop down a replacement.
   Also wondering if anyone else is getting the sleep option on their beds, even if their sims are fully rested?  Just curious before i start doing another hack-dance.

As the Landlord provides gardening and pest control services, you cannot summon a Gardener or Exterminator on an apartment lot.

Come to think of it, I noticed this as well. At least, my sims were going to sleep after 'hoo with 80% still on their energy bars.

I would assume it's to accomodate the new "Cuddle under covers" interaction. I'm going to check it out.

And I'm also getting floating lamps. The game hides everything but the lights.

I only played for an hour so far, but I am getting the impression a sim is now motivated to go to bed partly because it's nighttime, not just when their energy bar is really red.

That makes sense. I had a sim heading to bed around 11 PM (in the middle of a party, no less) with her energy at ~40%. I'm not sure if I consider it a bug or a feature yet.

I've got the same mailbox bug someone else mentioned on the first page.  I was paying bills just fine with the new apartment mailbox until the mail carrier came by and put a dining coupon in there.  Now every time I try to get it out the sim resets.

Tried deleting stuck bills with the lot debugger, but it only deletes bills and not the coupons.

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While I haven't really played around that much, my sims went to sleep after woohooing in 4 in the afternoon. They got up without having to cancel the interaction when I put something in their queue.

I do not know if this actually works since I do not get the game until tommorrow but a freind of mine said this is what she does to change the apt and the common area stuff when sims are living there:

boolProp AptBaseLotSpecificToolsDisabled true/false

boolProp SublotSpecificToolsDisabled true/false

Actually you can't, or if you've gotten this to work, please post steps. I had set an apartment with a similar setup, excepting that each unit had a private fenced yard accessed by regular door. I could not then change the lot to an apartment lot. My attempt at a work around (change lot cheat, save, add doors, save) resulted in the lot reporting that there were 0 apartments for $0 and not letting anyone move in.

Conclusion = apartment + fenced enclosure of any sort = fail.

Not even all the kitchen stuff, either. I placed the most expensive K&B trash compactor in my three-unit building I'd redone. The compactor disappeared on move-in.

I also have sims going to sleep with energy bar over 80% after woohoo, in the middle of the day. And, even more annoying, first time woohoo movie plays every stinking time on the Murphy bed (bin family) and not at all on the vibrating bed (CAS family).

I uninstalled and re-installed FT and AL. FT items work fine now. Only problem is that when the uninstalling deleted all saved games (which was fine since I didn't need them) I now have only EP 'hoods and none of the 'hoods from base game. Not that I wanted to play them but I'd like to have the option.

I've done more testing with the closets, and I've noticed that when neither of the sims are doing anything else, they both go into the closet and WooHooing works fine. But when one is busy doing something.. This time I put the female reading and the male attempting to Try for Baby. He opened and closed the door and she became pregnant.

Zazazu, I got the woohoo movie on the MRTY bed for CAS family. Maybe yours didn't play because you had it vibrating?

No, I couldn't get it vibrating because I didn't realize that there's apparently a puzzle to it. Feh. I'll try another lot as well as non-AL beds tonight.

So.  Very.  Pissed off.


I spent most of the day building a lovely 3-family townhome, nicely furnished, only to find that the furnishings disappear seemingly at random once I move sims in to rent the place.  One apartment, the couch and tv are there - the other two, they're gone.  One loses a bed, another doesn't.  Some decor disappears, some doesn't.  Anything divided with those little step-over room dividers disappears.  Basic stuff like lights, counters, etc., seem to stay universally, but anything beyond that, who the hell knows.  I had everything adorably furnished, different paintings in each apartment, exactly how I wanted it and the #*$&ing thing won't work.  ARGH!!!

I do have a saved copy of it before I moved anyone in, but I am getting ready to uninstall this crapsack of an EP.  I've got -no- hacks and only the minimum custom content (a few windows and fences) I needed to build the damn thing and it still won't work.

Some furniture disappears by design. This is so you can furnish apartments yourself, and so they can be pre-furnished so NPCs don't live in empty hellholes. They really should have included a "Furnished/Unfurnished" rental option.

So if you put a playable into an apartment you had furnished in case an NPC moved in, and then you move them out, do you have to refurnish it ready for the next NPC? 

I used the same furniture in all, yet it only disappears in some.  For example, the exact same mission bed in all three apartments... yet it only disappears in the one bedroom and three bedroom apartments, but is fine in the upstairs of the two bedroom.  This occurs even after I figured out to take out that damn (used to be useful, now just fucks things up) stepover edging... Two bedroom apartment's upstairs stays furnished, three bedroom's upstairs doesn't.  Same stairs, same beds, same doors... only difference is the two bedroom has a split stair using a stage.  If -that's- what is causing it I'm going to have to kick someone's teeth in.

Oh, AND - my favourite part.  The disappeared furniture seems to still be there... somehow.  I had a sim come in to check out an apartment who autonomously walked into one of the apartments, into the disappeared living room, sat down on the disappeared-couch and started watching the disappeared-tv.  I couldn't click on anything there, but he seemed to think it was there.

Hm.

I've been playing Jessica Peterson and it seems that everyone is getting the wrong door. They all think her front door is the door to another trailer. The paper is being delivered there, people are ringing that doorbell. They'll probably start banging it down to complain about the smell soon.

Weird. I figured they would beeline for the doormat door. It makes no sense to do it any other way.

My bork isn't actually in an apartment lot but in another sims house I was playing. Since installing AL, there is a thunderstorm every 5 minutes. It doesn't matter what season it is, it's just rain and thunder constantly. I don't think I even had any snow during winter, but I might not have been paying attention as it took a while to realise something was up.

Even worse, my sims house has been touched by god as I have a burning bush in their front yard. My tree that was struck by lightning will not stop burning. I even deleted the tree. And guess what? The burning animation is still there. So now, it's an invisible burning tree. Thanks, AL. My game is so much better now with this feature. ::)

^ That's not a new bug, it happens specifically to the Breadfruit tree I think.

Oh, OK. Well, that's a relief then (or is it?). Does the breadfruit tree cause the neverending dark and stormy night though?

When Sim is checking out an apartment, he is not supposed to go inside, only to stand on the doorstep. So I guess it was a bug that he entered.

Noticed?!? Don't you worry sunshine, they know all about us, or more specifically, Pescado.  :D

The randomly disappearing cell phone thing's not new to AL.  I only have EPs through Seasons, and I've had Sims with ringing butts one second, and no cell phones the next.  Generally, when that happens, I just turn on Debug Mode and give them a new one.  It only started happening after I installed autoyak and the Phone Hack, which might be coincidence, or they might conflict with something when it's a rainy Tuesday in the spring and the moon is high, or whatever.

Hooray for more bork!  ::)

When a playable (I would assume the same with an NPC) child comes home from school (I'd also assume that when a playable/NPC comes home from work) there appears to be a problem where the clock goes back to normal speed. Now, I have a sim who comes home at 4, so it's not a problem really, but I just wanted to point it out to everyone...

Just to clarify, they are playables I am NOT playing at the moment. Also, I have found that setting the clock back to 3 speed won't revert back once the sim your playing comes home, usually reverts back to normal once they come home if you accidentally clicked a different speed. *shrugs

I didn't notice that before. I thought it was a new bug; however, I rarely ever hire any NPCs. However, I once accidentally clicked the regular speed button while nobody was home on a regular residential lot, just re-selected the speed up button, and once one of the family members came home, it went back to normal speed. Although, I am putting the info out there because I am going to get annoyed by it. XD

May I humbly suggest that Skata here be painfully spayed/neutered with a rusty farming implement?

Humbly suggest? Who do you think you are. Demand it dammit! Skata I damand you get painfully gutted with a rusty and very blunt spoon.

It's going well so far. I haven't seen any glitches but I have yet to play the witches part.


My sim did that too! He entered the entrance hallway and just stood there thinking.

-the landlord is too pushy. Have you noticed that he's very talkative and stuff and it annoys me when a sim is doing something with the landlord harrasing him.
-The furniture is pretty good methinks although they crammed everything they could in this last Ep to make people buy it.
-the earthy hug gesture looks like a normal, friendly hug to me, nothing special.

Shift-clicking on the apartment door in debug mode, I noticed a "rent furnished" option. Haven't tried it yet. Will tonight.

I have had 10 cellphones vanish, myself. I also saved an apartment lot with the sim outside the apartment, and when I played the other playable on the lot he seemed to be stuck outside his apartment and spent the entire time on the roof at the bar, pissed himself, and never went back into his apartment. Just stayed at the bar. I have not had any other issues that I can recall. I am sure I will, though :P

Skata I call you out as being a 12, and one who is utter phail in terms of faking, reading the FAQ and LURK MOAR. Since your posts just indicate cluelessness I will provide another warning from the FAQ.

Part 1: Don't write like a wanker.
Part 2: Emoticonning and Signature Images. DON'T.

In short RTFM!

Skata, please read the FAQ and knock it off with the annoying purple text and emotispamming. KTHNXBAI.

ETA: ALL HAIL OUR EGYPTIAN KITTUN MODERATOR OVERLORDS! I once was blind, but now I see.

Also, I am dying over some of the LULZy borks described, you guys. But there are no pictures! Please post pictures. INVISIBLE BURNING TREE? HP's magical INVISIBLE LIVING ROOM?

POAST LOLSIMS PIX PLZ NAO.

Borkiness with headmaster and resident simkid. Instead of Schmooze options, I have "Interaction...submenu", which does nada.

Much thanks to BastDawn for removing the purpleness.

Skata, as others have stated, you are not a speshul snowflake. You are, however, most likely a twelve who took the bait of being able to change text color. Also, you're going kinda heavy on the smilies. That's bad. Read the FAQ, and LURK MOAR.


I am so glad that I'm holding off on getting this EP. I second Lorelei's call for hilarious pics of glitches. Share your anguish for teh lulz!

RAH RAH RAH!

Also, if you have an amusing caption for same, we do have a LOLsims thread percolating along nicely with lots of Sims-related hilarity.

Anybody notice how the 'be greeted' interaction pops up like wildfire in community lots? If that's not enough, it STOMPS queues dead. Just like 'watch weather' did with seasons.

Most easily noticable when a Sim is doing a 'job' in a public community lot, and then they'll be greeted. The job will stop instantly just for the sim to get another useless person onto the contact bars.

Let's hear it for EAXis!


A lulz worth movie i will be sharing here in a few...


Here's the lulz worthy movie:
HERE (http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk221/hekkahekkawhat/?action=view&current=movie003.flv)

Her name is Alicia Wheeler I think she came with this EP because I've never seen her in the hood before. She was a friend my Seth (Warton) brought home.

EDIT: Found the name. . .

I just tried the boolprop testingcheatsenabled true  shift/click on the apartment door and it does in fact allow apartment rental with all furnishings intact. 

Spread the word, cause I've seen a lot of people who are poed that the furnishings disappear.

The Nightlife high-rise decorative that looked like an apartment building or hotel seems to be replaced by the shiny mid-rise Apartment Life building with the "H" feature on the roof (the second unselected icon in this menu.)  I tried adding the default Downtown to a neighborhood and the newer AL building is there a few times, clipping through Club Lulu and a park.

Someone at EAxis got smart and was thinking the OFB international Windows have wrong named Subsets. He/She fixed it and now recolors are broken.

She's clearly a member of the Ministry of Silly Walks.

This thread makes me so upset. It's pathetic all these errors manage to get past eaxis.


Anyone else having a problem with inviting people over to your apartment? I invited a girl from upstairs down to my apartment twice, both times she knocked on the door, let herself in then turned right back around and went back to her apartment.

I'm so disappointed, I was looking forward to this expansion so much. Now I'm afraid to play the damn game.

*reads thread, heart sinks, saves money*

Um, EAxis? When you make Big Rigs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rigs:_Over_the_Road_Racing) look like a complete game, you're doing it wrong.

Yea, Havelock those damn red Embrasure windows by Ergo have lost all recolors even their original ones while the doors remain just fine as are any other windows based on it. Giant FAIL.

all right, I'm back for another round... was there ever a 12 hour clock bug, where the time keeps reverting back to the 24 hour clock. I prefer the 12 hour clock system, however in my game it keeps reverting back on to the 24 hour one whenever i replay my game.

im actually the opposite of you and like the 24 hr clock and mine keeps reverting back to the 12 hr so i have to constantly change it back. i think i got that with freetime.

Has anyone else noticed their sim's portrait changing EVERY time they change clothes? I mean everytime they take a bath or change to pj's the portrait changes.  Before AL it only changed when I used the mirror!

--  Actually it only happens when she changes into everyday outfits from something else, so it doesn't happen if you go from swim to undies for example.

Oh yeah, I've noticed that... it's very silly. I don't mind when it rotates, but I suppose it could get annoying for others. Hey, who knows, pretty soon I could be annoyed with it. *shruggles

No, I made an apartment NPC controllable and what is happening is that a controller keeps pushing an action that looks like a big brown block onto his queue and it forces him to go back and stand behind the door of his apartment. 

I don't like the feature.  Some of those poses are atrocious, particularly for some age groups.  For some reason, female children in my game like to get the pose I think of as "broken neck" pose, where their head is angled so far back and to one side that it looks like their neck has snapped.

When a sim age-transitions in my game I spend some time regenerating their portraits on the batbox or clothing tool to make sure they don't have the worst of the poses.  Now I may as well not bother, because they'll probably get one of the awful poses the next time they shower.

The magical invisible living room: http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/3090_080829052038wtf.jpg

This was with some architecture that I now know fucks things up - an additional entrance in front fenced only with that little edging fence and also used to divide the living room from dining room... but what the hell?!

I think I'm going to have to redo the whole fracking lot and change some of the architecture.  Which pisses me off as it's based on a real life place.

Aside: The "rent furnished" option on apartment doors in debug mode just falls out of the queue when I try to use it.

Oh no! How could they be so stupid? Now my Downtown is going to have giant square buildings clipping through everything. Argh!  >:(

The 24 hour clock issue can be resolved by going into the globals file and changing "false" to "true" (or vice versa if that's how you want it). EAxis were too stupid to make that option actually save.

Yeah, I finally figured out what's causing the annoying portrait changes. I think EAxis changed it so the portrait automatically regenerates when you change a sim's everyday outfit (so you don't need to use the mirror, I read this as a "feature"), but instead it regenerates every time your sim changes into their everyday/maternity outfit. Phail (and Kyna, nice to know I'm not the only one that spends time trying to get decent poses).

Yet ANOTHER bug found.

AL broke vacations. The locals will NOT gesture at all, instead they do the 'greet' which is the handshake which crushes your queue.

Also, tourists don't show up except in rare situations...

So, EAxis broke BV with AL.

That's a very good question I'd like the answer to. I'm assuming you do because it would be asking way too much for them to code it smart so it saves where you had things both before you move someone in, then when you refurnish it after it deletes everything.

Also... using the rent furnished option, does anyone know if the game raises the rent through the roof because of the additional stuff or is it clueless and only counts the things it normally would such as the bathroom objects, etc?

Were you trying to use apartments on college lots or something?


Whoa that's a pretty major bug, bravo to them. So I guess they manged to install BV and find out that beach lots don't work with apartments but ended the testing there. I don't really understand why apartments don't work on beach lots though... I mean its still a building, why on earth would it make the water and things go wacky like it does?

Just out of curiosity, do the descriptions for the spells in the spellbook have linebreaks? I mean, does each sentence appear on a different line? Every localisation bar EngUK (surprise surprise) has linebreaks, but I don't know if they actually appear/work in the game. EngUK just squashes all the text together.

I notice they didn't include a name or description for the tech column.

Absolutely not. I just wanted to use that stove because it had an industrial feel to it.  :-\ Alas, I realized that since they just "borrow" from every other expansion pack, that this wouldn't work at all.

i cant wait til some of this borked shit is fixed until then i think im just going to stay the hell away from apartments. Grr!

Well, I've run into a big problem into community lots, apparently they now refuse to load meaning the loading screen freezes halfway thru.
Great, thanks a fucking lot eaxis, now I have to wave the fucking magic wand on every lot to fix it.

Edit: Another annoyance, pets respawn, DO.NOT.WANT!
They make my lot buggy

Please explain the procedure, this has been driving me nuts. What globals file and where is it?

I like that their portraits change when they change their everyday clothes. I wish they'd included this feature sooner. Hope they don't switch it back with the inevitable patch, but also hope a hack comes along to satisfy those who don't like changing portraits.

I will definitely be waiting until all necessary fixes, hack-updates, and official patches are completed before installing this EP. I was all psyched about it, and had decided to actually install it nao, instead of  waiting, like I normally do,  but after reading this thread, I'll take my usual 'watch and wait' approach. FFS, can't EA get anything right the first time round? Eh, I already know the answer to that. Never mind. ::)

Go to [Drive]:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 Apartment Life\TSData\Res\Config and open the "globalProps" file in Notepad. Near the bottom it should say  "<AnyBoolean key="force12HrTime" type="0xcba908e1">false</AnyBoolean>". Change "false" to "true" to permanently enable the 12 Hour Clock. Change "true" to "false" to get 24 hour time. Save and close the file. There's all kinds of options in there, but I recommend not tinkering with anything else unless you know what you're doing (not that it will particularly do bad things to your game, but still). Changing this particular option is completely safe however.

Funny how quickly it goes from "Oh well I'll install this one FFS hack that fixes something that annoys me" to "I'll download them all but leave out the ones I don't like" to "I won't even try to play the new EP until Pescado's updated all the old hacks and fired off a dozen new ones."

I think this is the point where you have to admit your multi-million dollar entertainment franchise has failed. Except that it hasn't... the BBS is full of people angrily shouting down bug reports, saying "You have to take it with a grain of salt" and implying the bug reporters are either whiny or stupid. I always go there with the intent of enjoying a good argument, and I always close the window five minutes later shaking with rage.

Next time I want to buy an EA game I'll just donate the damn money here instead. At least that way it's going to someone whose stuff always works, who fixes it when it doesn't, and who supports it until it becomes completely outdated.

I have the same problem, but with the Downtown. Is this a known bug? Never had this happen before...
I have downloaded a lot of Plasticbox' fake row houses from MTS2 and put them into Downtown. I then entered the lots, made the necessary changes (removing back entrance etc.), change the lot zoning, saved, left the lot, reentered, left again. Until now everything is fine.
Now that I move in a family I see this happen:
click (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/Carisssa_2006/show%20off/bug1b.jpg) and click (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/Carisssa_2006/show%20off/Bug1.jpg)
Looks as if the whole lot sinks in a bit, and the other lots which are built directly next to this lot are floating...

Will need to test it in other hoods, but it really isn't fun to play that way.

it's too bad that modifyneighborhoodterrain can't be used when there's a lot that you want to fix.

You all may want to try this though and see what happens:

1. Move the lot somewhere
2. use the cheat modifyneighborhoodterrain on
3. Level the terrain by dragging your cursor across the borked land (I believe ] is the key to level it).
4. Move the lot back onto where you want it back

I haven't done it myself, but I was thinking about putting that cheat to use.

I've been looking into the SP objects that EAxis "updated" in AL.

1) EAxis fixed K&B Trash Compactor in FT p2, but break it again in AL, by throwing "Compost Contents" function out of the window.
2) Teens and Elders cannot change/plan outfits in H&M clothing booth, because the idiots forgot to enable those functions for certain age groups.
3) Borked translations for almost all K&B appliances.

More borks may lurk somewhere, I haven't finished updating my fixes yet.
For God's sake leave SP objects alone, I'd rather use my own SP object fixes than resorting to this poor excuse of an update, kthxbi. >:(

As AL is probably the last EP, I guess it's time to make an ultimate SP object fix for AL, rolling all my past SP fixes into one.

This has happened to me as well, in Strangetown. The house next to the Grunt's house is sunken a bit and there's a huge gap between the two houses. I figure simply moving the house and moving it back will fix it, but I can't be bothered to try it yet.

Fortunately there will be no more expansion packs. Although, apparently there's a new stuff pack called "Mansion & Garden Stuff".

It's not the sheep at the BBS that piss me off. It's the Maxoids.

I think the problem with each new expansion pack is EAxis' superiority complex. A feeling that they can do no wrong and any glitch or oopsie is the fault of the consumer. For example, I think the fact that people are pissed about not having a CD version means they're aware of what drive they've got in their computer, kthx. (http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?threadID=9b6a3df66889a8b57128dfaa97425845&directoryID=21&startRow=1&openItemID=item.21,root.1,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23)

Could Maxoid_Hydra possibly be anymore condescending? "We are aware that some people in this community aren't professional computer programmers, like us, so we've dumbed down every put the technical process of playing our game into plain English so everyone can understand.

"First, look at that box that may look like it does nothing. It's actually very important, believe it or not. Push the button that has a drawing on it that looks like an upside-down lollipop. If the TV next to the important box doesn't start showing pretty pictures, it should also have an upside-down lollipop somewhere. Press it.

"Now we wait for Mr. Computer to ask you for your login details. Hopefully you've remembered them..."

Thank you very much!

Noticed a few more bugs. A text error. In this pic, the sim was talking with one of the social group townies named Solveig. The text string has the wrong name.
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1812/screenshot002dl6.th.jpg) (http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot002dl6.jpg)

The new medicine cabinets aren't fully functioning in apartments for me. When used in an apartment, only "brush teeth" and "wash face" are appearing on the menu. In regular residences, all the normal mirror functions were also appearing (practice speech, change appearance, etc.). Anyone else noticing this, or is it just my game?
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/78/screenshot003hm8.th.jpg) (http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot003hm8.jpg)

Also, some nanny weirdness. Nanny prepared meal and placed it on the counter. Then the nanny got in a continuous loop of picking up the platter and serving it. Meanwhile, the sim kid couldn't grab a plate because it hadn't been served, I guess. After several loops, the nanny finally completed the serve interaction and the sim kid was able to grab a plate.
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4707/screenshot004mu4.th.jpg) (http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot004mu4.jpg)

Roux there are 2 medicine cabinets. One with a mirror and one without, that caught me out initially.

I also had this same problem pre-AL, with the same house in Strangetown. I tried moving different families in and out several times,and never did manage to make that gap go away.

Grumble. That's silly, but then again, they have two varieties of enclosed closets: one with mirror, one without, and only 1 simolean difference in price. Thanks for clarifying. Lemme guess, one's in mirrors, the other's in wall hangings or miscellaneous or somesuch nonsense?

I highly doubt it would work, unless they majorly changed the way the game works. Uneven lots bork terrain. You move it and flatten the area you moved it from, all that's going to happen is that the area is going to go back to it's funked up state when you replace the lot, plus you'll have a new uneven spot where you temporarily placed the lot (granted, fixable with the cheat). My solution has been to use LotAdjuster to expand the lot, go in and flatten terrain, then use Lot Adjuster to change it back to its original dimensions. I haven't tried using LotAdjuster yet, as it's not officially ok for Apartment Life. I suspect it'll choke on load due to the new formats.Thing is, they don't only change when they change clothes. They change all the time. Pet icons change. Even on my rig, this causes a split-second lag. I agree with others, this feature needs to die.

I had a couple new bugs last night that I took the requested photos for but then forgot to upload them. Will do when I get home. Remember the occasional issue with invisible dormies? Well, now we can have semi-transparent flashing neighbors!

well, you never know zazazu... EAxis is always borrowing changing the engines from previous expansion packs and making them worse better.

Ok, I am getting messages for my playable neighbors when I am not even playing them!  >:(

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk221/hekkahekkawhat/ScreenShot051.jpg)

   If i'm not mistaken, Stevie is the name of the person calling.  Either EAxis messed up on the phrasing, or it's something to do with the UK English we all are playing with.

Out of interest, where is the popup dialog text stored?

So, yeah.  Being the very observant guy that I am, I just noticed this happy little button down in the corner of my screen.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/chipmc/c18018f5.jpg)

Now the EAxian apartments can has ceilings.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/chipmc/9ea673b3.jpg)

Does anybody know what's supposed to happen with the good witch animation? I am not sure if this is a bug or not. I played the Cordial sisters,
and Samantha was turned into a good witch, and she got the sparkle animation. Then just suddenly when she got back form work one day, the animation is gone (skin overlay is still there). She had gone to work before without losing the animation, so I wonder what is going on?

Only the totally good witches have the sparkles. If she changed alignment (a little is enough), she could lose her sparkles.

Yes, I figured that, so I made her study 'the way of the light' until the good witch alignment bar was seemingly filled. But I don't know how this works, so I'll just make her study more then.

I'll probably be poked with pointy sticks, as I haven't removed all unsupported hacks (if you want me to be moar specific, I'll be happy to tell you); but I wondered about my ceilings.  I can only see them using the 45-degree angle button.  I don't have ACR, Inteen, etc.; I *have* updated all awesome hacks.  Could it be because I have integrated graphics, or could it be a bug?

Also (possibly unrelated to AL) I can only put a couple beards on my males in Body Shop.

Any insight would be muchly appreciated.  ;D

Update:  I tried removing all unsupported and/or non-awesome hacks and still cannot see ceilings in live mode.  ::)

I spent more time playing the game and I can definitely confirm that the sims' portraits do change constantly and not just when they change clothes. I turned free will off and had two sims just stand around for like 5 minutes and both of their portraits kept changing every few seconds.

The ceilings, I'm not too happy with. Besides them cutting off most curtain rods, borders and tops of certain windows, they tend to look really screwed up if there's a roof over them. I built a house and when I noticed that the roof alone didn't give ceilings to the second floor, I laid some floor tiles under where the roof goes. This is what the ceiling looked like on the second floor:

(http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7130/ceilingwu9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

The first floor looked fine. I'm not sure if it was just because of the roof, but still, it shouldn't be looking like that. I ended up removing the floor tiles from under the roof and just placed the ceiling tiles from MTS2 instead. Actually, even though they're a pain to place them one tile at a time, they look much better than the ceilings that come with the game.

Has anyone tried out the butler yet?

I have a vanilla game folder and ordered the butler and after he showed up my sim went to work. I got the notice that the children shouldn't be left home alone. Then the social worker took them. According to the Prima guide the Butler will dismiss the nanny and is supposed to offer child care! 

ETA: This makes me wonder if the Neighbor child care will work as well. Has anyone had any problems with that?

The thing about the ceilings is they're only the same as the bottomful floors that have been around.  Basically they are at the height the bottom of the floor tile thickness would be.  The wallpapers were always too tall technically for the rooms, but we didn't notice because we could "see through" the floor.   I guess we have to have our mouldings lower now, and then have a small strip of the main colour above, in case we want it to join up to the wall above in stair wells.   Some industious person needs to make overrides for the maxis papers that have been made wrong.  It's just textures to edit.

• I don't think anybody reported this here yet but I did ask about it in the podium. My Evil Witch won't make the "lamp thingy". She just keep on stirring the pot for hours and hours and doesn't make it.
• Also the Butler doesn't clean the "petplates"

I have a question about the borked Physiology that Pescado reported. I was too tired to say something about it before but now I understand why my sims maxed out body so quickly. I'm not sure how many simhours it took but I'm pretty sure it wasn't more than 3. What I want to know is will she learn everything else superfast too? I'll go experiment with her sister. All I know is that she maxed out body just by jumping ropes before her sister with the knowledge aspiration perk gained one point in logic I believe from 8 to 9.
In that case I wouldn't mind keeping this borked! lol

I have not tried the butler, because I do not own the game yet, but by all accounts he's just a servo that doesn't look like a servo and that can be hired, instead of built. I'm assuming that, like servos, the butlers become part of the 'family' the way servos do. If this didn't happen, then I'd say something's borked. Somebody feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm basically just talking out my arse.

Did you have her study Physiology?

From this thread page 2 Pes says


So yes it affects all skills


He didn't join my household and if he was part of the family I especially shouldn't have gotten the warning that they were home alone when the butler was there.

Paladin mentioned something about EA failing to modify the code that detects child care providers on the lot. As a result, the game thinks there are no adults supervising the children on the lot.

The Butler is an NPC and very similar to Alfred in TS1. He doesn't join your family and works a certain amount of hours everyday.

Okay, there is a bug with witches losing their sparklies. I have an evil evil witch, with the max blackness they can get, and the sparklies sometimes vanish. I don't even use neutral spells on that sim anymore and that even includes the 'neutral' teleportation spell. What was EAxis thinking making neutral spells make you go closer to neutral alignment? They're the spells that you're most likely to use. Even if you have a spectral cat, calling it out is a NEUTRAL spell, and your evil witch can go closer to neutral witchiness (or good witch)

It's just too stupid to contemplate. I see the neutral spells like utility spells, NOT like 'oh, I'd lose my evil spells if I use them'.

If I wanted to be a neutral sim, I'd study the ways of grey. Not the ways of darkness (or the ways of good).

Seems quality assurance doesn't mean anything to EAxis anymore when it comes to The Sims.

Thank god that Spore isn't in the Sims category. It's been under the eyes of Will Wright all this time, while The Sims lost Will Wright working on it after Livin' Large (he was only a consultant basically after that)

Sorry! I thought I searched here thouroughly to make sure no one else had mentioned it.

He said it on the BBS. I should have mentioned that!

Ahh! That explains it. I never go there because it annoys me and is non-awesome.

Another thing I keep on forgetting to mention is that in the tooltip/library thing for the Dutch version it shows the wrong keys to move things up and down the walls. It shows "^" for up and ":" for down. It says more stuff but I assumed it's all wrong and haven't tried them since.

I honestly do not mind that Physiology thing being borked! ;D

That's happened to me before, I aged up a child townie to an adult to see what she'd look like. Then she came home on the schoolbus with my sim's kid, and was walking like that. It was most excellent.

I believe you have to be in cameraman mode to see ceilings. Or, at the very least, have your camera set so that it's below the ceiling line. I haven't tested that second theory, though.

I haven't really run into any of my own bugs, except for one minor issue. I moved a CAS family (3 non related adults) into the apartment building with the DeBeauwhatevers in it. Saved, exited to neighborhood, and then moved a Maxis bin family into the same building. As soon as they moved in, they got a pop-up asking them to click a door to rent that apartment. My CAS family never got that pop-up.

Anyway, I'm going to stay away from apartments themselves for a while until everything's fixed. Many thanks and respect to Pescado and everyone else who goes around cleaning up afteer EAxis.

Looks as if tenants (who aren't being played) have an OCD with the hobby magazines if left out.

Click (http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk221/hekkahekkawhat/?action=view&current=movie013.flv)

Are neighbors in other apartments in the same building supposed to be able to just walk in your apartment all the time? Because if it's intended, it's really annoying, especially in small apartments. It gets really crowded. I know you can lock them out, but I don't want everyone locked out all the time, I just want them to knock and wait to be asked in before they barge in and make themselves comfortable. They also seem to think it's ok to just help themselves to my families' newspapers.

Or maybe you didn't toggle the ceiling button? I missed it at first, too. TrepieDark Trepie posted a picture further up this thread. (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,12828.msg366843.html#msg366843)

I did toggle it... I have my d'oh moments but that's just too much! ;D I didn't see them in live mode so I figured maybe green is not good so I toggled them off. I tested this and realised that green is on so I toggled them again and tested the zoom thing it works and also the new xeinling camera angle it works! I just don't see them in live mode. I tried with roofs on and roofs off with walls up, walls down...

I tried everything if I wanna see them I have to zoom in at a particular angle or I don't. :-\

OK, promised pictures of transparent flashing neighbors:
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6381/snapshotb5c0a01435c3563it3.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshotb5c0a01435c3563it3.jpg)
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2291/snapshotb5c0a01495c3563pg4.th.jpg) (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshotb5c0a01495c3563pg4.jpg)
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2097/snapshotb5c0a014d5c3571kf4.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshotb5c0a014d5c3571kf4.jpg)


Very similar to the dormie issue with Uni as they became solid after entering and exiting their apartment. More annoying because the flashing about gave me a migraine.

Bug fixed in latest SShack, Butler now counts as nanny.

Neighbor child care works by default.

Ok just wanted to mention that my Evil Witch is making the floorlamp now that I returned to the game. I don't know if the butler is supposed to clean up the dead firefly jar or not. He just looks at it makes a stingky gesture and moves to something else. :-\

I agree with the previous posters that we need a hack that makes it so witches don't lose their allignment when they use neutral spells. Also not a bug but a mild annoyance, Witches can't use spells on burglars! >:( So Eaxis is telling me that I can attack innocent passerby but I cannot defend myself from being robbed? ::) What I hate the most is the message you get when you try to use magic on the burgler. "[Enter burgler name here] is too busy for that at the moment. Try another time"

Well, I've got a bug now. My sims. Won't. Stop. Hugging. Each. Other. I'm playing a greek house, and since everyone INSISTS on hugging EVERYONE ELSE regardless of relationship scores, my parties all suck and my sims all hate each other. I do have some hacks, mostly Awesome, and the rest tested out okay with hackdiff.

Is anyone else having this problem?

I was having that on one of the apartment lots, katu. I think it might be the new 'gesture' options (not really new, but there's a new greeting action in a gestures menu).

Well that's retarded.

"Oh I know, let's make them all try to initiate an action (with anyone) that normally requires them to be good friends to accept! It'll be marvelous!"

Ugh. If it makes a difference, the queue does say "Give/Receive Friendly Hug." And they do it constantly. And it queue stomps like nobody's business.

ETA: Does the same thing with no hacks in.

When I move pictures/shelves further up the wall than their original position, they look perfectly fine.  But when they are moved even one increment under the original position, they turn all outdoor-night-looking, or completely black.  Is it just me?

*Quote (Only the totally good witches have the sparkles. If she changed alignment (a little is enough), she could lose her sparkles.) I read your earlier post, Tsarina and I can tell you that in my game my full good witch does not have sparklies but, my evil warlock does & he's not even all the way evil yet.
One problem I noticed in my game is that when I try to buy the new fishtank on either an apt. lot or home lot my game crashes. Has this happened to anyone?

Ldyvamp

I toggled the ceiling button right away.  As for having the camera set below the ceiling line (if you mean what I think you do), that doesn't work either, Katuchan.  But thanks for the responses!  :)

Damn Freetime Glitch is back.
Yep yet another glitch...lol
Ok my family sim got engaged too Benjamin Longnose and she had a bad memory of it,you know in the red.Then she got married too him and she caught herself cheating on him with herself.Ok seriously that last part was funny.But this glitch needs too be fixed bad.Also i'm getting the BFF thing and I don't have Freetime installed anymore,took it out for various reasons.
Maybe that was carried over from Freetime who know's.
I like this EP even though it's not my playing style.
ETA:I am pretty sure the spawning bug is back again from BV.New hood 2 hrs ago I made and I had 296 sims when all was said and done.I made that family sim and it made 297.After playing for another 2hrs I exited the game and I had 415 files in it.Wanna explain this one too me?
EA will never learn.

After reading your post, simkat, I went to check my sim files for my neighborhood. Before installing, I know I had no more than 430 sim files. Now, about 24 hours and 2 play sessions after installing, I have 561. Surely this expansion shouldn't add over 100 new sims? :(

ETA: Exactly 96 files were last modified today. About 25 were at 2:31 pm, and the others were in chunks at 6:58 and 8:58. Mind you, I'm playing my Uni hood, which I haven't in a long time, but all the professors and NPCs were already spawned for it. I wonder what's going on.

Ugh, so it's sort of like University's "hide" action.  ::)
What is the point of inviting neighbors over if they leave immediately.

Fuck. I better go check my files, and hope that a critical fix comes. God damn EAxis is dumb. Can't they fix their game instead of breaking it all of the damn time?! I really wonder what their QA (if they have any) does when they first come in. Thank goodness I'm not getting TS3, I'd hate to see how many bugs will be in that game.

I may have found the issue with my new character files problem. As it turns out, nodormierespawn was in the AL DC but not in the AL directory as a standalone, so when I was updating hacks, as I do not use the entire DC, I figured there was not a compatible version yet.
Now, back when I used to play Uni a lot, I killed A LOT of dormies. There were just way too many for my taste. When I went back into Uni to play again yesterday and today, since nodormieregen wasn't in my game, I'm willing to bet that ALL those dormies I killed back in the day were replaced with new ones, and, voila!- about 100 new character files.

I don't reckon it's uni. I have attached no other hoods to the BellaDonna one and after playing around 12-18 hours I have 526 character files. I've added two CAS sims.

Well, damn. My theory sounded pretty good. :D

ETA: Okay, EA snuck some townies in my game, damnit all. I just had a walkby I'd never seen before with the AL hair. D':

I had that as well with a clean game, new neighbourhood and no hacks or cc. And nothing I did would stop them popping up.

I'm confused, did that stove come with AL? How exactly did you get it and expect it to work correctly besides on a community lot or college lot if not? Did they accidentally allow it on apartment lots? Or has it always been enabled but is now spawning a cafeteria worker on apartment lots?


That's actually cool and crappy at the same time. Crappy because sims are going to get everything handed to them and not have to pay much for it. I have no idea why they didn't add a rent furnished / unfurnished option that worked as you would expect it to.

This is healthy list of bugs I've got from browsing the BBS, can anyone confirm any of these?

Gypsy has no options on community lots. - Confirmed.
Scope room interaction gone.
Butler calling fire department when lightning starts fire and fire department fining for false alarms.
Popups for hobby enthusiasm for roommates. (more of annoyance than a bug I suppose)
When you ask a roommate out on a NL outing then decide to change lots, the roommate doesn't follow and the sims get stuck in the cab forever.
Child/teen sims pop back onto lot when they get special things like money from winning a spelling bee and are at school.
School bus doesn't come to apartments it seems?
Sims kissing mouth to mouth while saying goodbye even to people they have just met.
Can't make apartments with backyards on foundations. - Confirmed but you can work around it.
Witches are starting out all the way evil and all the way good. Happens when you click Teach Me to be a witch several times before the spell is cast.
Taking the toy dogs up / down stairs causes them to become attached to random parts of the sim and unable to get them off.
FT False platinum bug is reportedly back as well as the negative memories for sims who shouldn't get them? Such as family sims getting bad memories of getting engaged. I pray this is from someone who hasn't patched their FT game.
Pickpocket seems to spawn on residential lots after you beat him up on community lots. (This can't be possible...)
Snow doesn't melt in alleys.
Locking of doors doesn't seem to be working properly. (people locked out still barge in)
Kids jump out of beds with read bedtime story option.

Edit: Since i've gotten my game, I'm checking into some of these. I've crossed out the ones that aren't valid and obviously caused by newbness.

I believe someone else had this issue; I'm just confirming it.

My Sims can't study Physiology.  I have a Knowledge Sim, and I wanted to see just HOW MUCH the Physiology bug would speed her skill-building.  She takes the book out, sits down, opens it, immediately closes it, and puts it back.

This doesn't happen for the other new Study skills (Anger Management, etc.).

I have the DC, so either this is a bug, or there's something in the DC that's preventing it, on accident or on purpose.  :-\

The lot, is just a regular old apartment in downtown pleasantview.  The stove is the one that came with University (it's the 'industrial' one)... I had a funny feeling that this stove would be borked in apartments for the sole fact that EAxis never seem to catch these bugs. We know EAxis, they NEVER fail.  ::)  

Yep, noticed that.

Witches' cats don't come back from community lots with the witches, even if they left home together. The cats have to walk.

Srs? Bugger, I just started a large one, I wanted underground carparks.

So that's how it happens, we've been talking about this.

My maid won't make the awesome bed. Plus bed Nazi can't seem to keep the non-owners out.

The butler doesn't recognize pizza boxes as trash.

Also, he just up and left after four days, and said, "It was a pleasure serving you."  I'm not sure why.  My Sims didn't fire him or beat him up or anything.   ???

And got the fireman fine because he called the fire dept. during a thunderstorm.

   Scope room worked fine for me yesterday, i'll check again as i just updated a bunch of stuff from Dizzy.

This isn't anything specific to the DC, as I have no reading-related hacks, so it may just be standard ADHD.

On my test apartment lot, it does. My playable sim doesn't have children, but there's a teen in the house.


It's been that way for several EPs now (cannot remember which), sims with high chemistry (2-3 bolts) will do that. Annoys me too.


That works fine in my game, thank god.

Hardly extensive testing, and these were both on 'standard' lots, not apartment, so that might have an effect:  I had a child win the spelling bee yesterday and he returned as usual, and in another house the door to the baby's room was locked to non-household while a party was on and everyone was screaming at me about the fact that they couldn't get in to attend to the crying baby.  

I've noticed this, and I'm not sure if it's hack-related or not and it's hard to reproduce it:  

Three times now, I've seen Sims roll two *identical* wants.  I didn't manage to fulfil any of them so I've no idea if you'd actually get twice the aspiration points.  I *think* all three were at University, although I've been to sleep since then so I might be wrong.

The hacks I have are mostly Awesome ones, and snagged from the AL folder:

antipeeobsession
bedsidefix
customerselector
ffsdebugger
nohobbyspam
nohumble
noservochores
orchardtreefix

I also have Lord Darcy's:

LdDarcy_SP7KBIDObjectsFix_FT.package
LdDarcy_TSSObjectDataFix_FT.package

..nothing there that *obviously* influences wants as far as I can tell.  It's possible it's not an AL bug at all, but it's a bit suspicious not having had it previously and then twice the day I install. Unless it's a symptom of something worse happening under the hood, as it were, it's not a huge problem.  


Edited to add:  I have been having the disappearing cellphone problem, as well. 

Direct from the mouth of the readme:

Neutral spells don't necessarily make Sims better—or worse. They also don't alter your Sim's alignment one way or the other. Neutral spells include conjuring up food, magically cleaning oneself, and teleporting.

And you know what? This is NOT true. It effects your sims' alignment. So much that a few teleportation spells can, and will, take a evil sim out of evilness and make them good.

I have this happen as well, and I have a patched FT game.
It was pretty annoying to see this happen to a sim who was  a knowledge/family sim.

I have played at college yesterday for several simdays and didn't have the hug problem happen. I don't have any hacks in my game right now.

Yeah, some of the posts there are nauseating... Example (from just the other week):
"Apartment Life is an expansion"
"ZOMG!!11 I had noe ideaz hAve a bene!!1one!1


By default, the game adds approximately 106 character files to each neighborhood.

And I've also been getting the false memories even with patches and fixes.

K&B FT fix became obsolete by FT patch 2. AL broke K&B dishwasher again (no compost), and FT version cannot fix it.
TSS fix is fine.

New SP objects fix for AL is on the way.

I had Dark Trepie getting one of those scratchy nonsense thoughts the other day - I've played the hood less than a sim week. That's not a good sign.

I can confirm this. I spent some time last night making a really nice duplex on a foundation that had private backyards and I couldn't change it to an apartment until I removed the doors to the yards. Ugh.

Hmm. I wonder if the backyards can be ON the foundation, like the back porches that work for the Crossroads building.

I'll have to give that a try today. Not ideal but I'd hate to have to give up on all my work.

The Guide says that the unique separator can be the only way into the apartment in order for you to make it an apartment.

I was playing that orphan family the Newsons or whatever and only the oldest teen boy acts as a teen. I was going to have the teen girl miss the bus to wait for the nanny, and told the teen boy to get on the bus but he wouldn't because he "can't bear to leave the little ones...blah blah fishcakes"

It was then I noticed the teen girl didn't have the option to teach the toddlers their skills but she could still change them and feed them. It is like she wasn't recognized as a full teen.

Is this just because she is a pre-made?

I have only updated awesome hacks in my game.

The Spawning of Social Group members is "correct", as there are a bunch of social groups that all maintain their own townie pools. Also, you get triplicate NPCs without antiredundancy. That's a lot of sims. But EAxis is probably unconcerned about this as there are maybe 6 months of life left, making it unlikely you can blow up your game in 6 months, at least to EAxis-thought.

So far everything I've experienced with AL is fine, except for the apartments.  >:(

The good news is that JMP was, of course, right about the 1xn "buffer zone."  I'm sure it will make its way into AwesomeSpec for apartments (assuming the rest of the borkenness can be fixed).  This works great to stop your Sims from being awakened by the rude neighbors.  I never did experience my Sims being the rude neighbors and getting complained at.  (Sorry for small pic size, I should have zoomed in the camera.)
(http://usera.imagecave.com/ryuusei86/Other/Buffer.jpg)

The bad news is that defining what things inside apartments may and may not be edited, and indeed the problems with what exactly the definition of "inside" is, are killing everything else.  Imagine my surprise when Mary Gavigan suddenly started wanting a refrigerator, when they clearly already have one.
(http://usera.imagecave.com/ryuusei86/Other/AlreadyHave.jpg)

Of course I quickly found out that she wanted a fridge because that fridge-shaped object wasn't being recognized as a fridge.  Couldn't delete it at first until I entered boolprop aptsublotspecifictoolsdisabled false.  The replacement also wasn't recognized as a fridge.  Neither was the cheap basegame fridge I replaced the replacement with.  The only option I saw was Juggle Bottles.

That's when I moved out the Gavigans, as well as any other Sims I had in apartments.  They will be going into houses, there to enjoy a normal life where a fridge is a fridge, a terlet is a terlet, a fence is a fence, a nanny is a nanny, and Christian Love is a hazy memory.

Hopefully the regular houses aren't now borked also....

She was able to potty train the toddlers in my game.  I alternated sending the teen girl and the teen boy to school in my game, as it was only for three days before the toddlers were school age.  Whichever teen was going to school each day got that message.

I have the same problem with her.

Others have mentioned this, but I'm going to do it again.

I tested this in a no-mod game so I know it's not a conflict.  Though running the game with the phonehack doesn't solve the issue.

When the phone rings and a Sim attempts to answer on their cell phone, the cell phone immediately disappears from the inventory.  Answering on the landline phone appears to work fine and calling out on both the cell phone and landline yields no issues.  Only answering on the cell phone.

I'm attaching a forced error log of the cell phone just because that's all I have.  I don't know if it'll do any good.

I started a new neighborhood and got this.  The weird pancake things are those ugly ponds Maxis put in AL.  Apparently they've completely replaced one or more of the trees.  Any other reports of this?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/Lerf1950/Ponds.jpg)

The only thing like that is that the condo building neighborhood decoration was replaced with the newer building in FT, so all instances of the condo building turned into the newer one automatically.

It's probably because instead of putting that pond into regular decorations, they put it in with the trees so the game must think it is a tree.  Whenever I make a new hood, I spend a lot of time deleting the enormous amounts of trees the game puts in.

You should be able to have a second door when the backyard is completely fenced in and would only be accessible from the front door (unique separator) which mine was. This works perfectly (having a second door, etc.) when the building is not built on a foundation. Build it on a foundation with steps leading down to a backyard which is all fenced in and it will not recognize the second door as being "protected" from the common area.

I agree, I've been having that same problem, where trees will basically overrun every inch of land available (even the roads, wtf). I would be so pissed if it happened with ponds. But this is a pre-existing issue for me, I've had it since FT.

Hm. In my screwy test hood, I made Julien Cooke marry the Evil High Witch: Angel Smith. For some reason, the Spellbook and Cauldron in her inventory aren't hers. It belongs to some other chick!

Nothing major, just curious as to why it's done this.

And yes, the pond is a "tree", for some insane reason.

My borklist so far:

1. Aspiration awards seem to be broken.

With my one sim, he was in platinum aspiration and he got home from work at 3pm very tired as he was on a dream date with his boyfriend the night before and never went to bed. So I bought him the energizer, and it backfired! I tried it twice more and it backfired twice more! So then later he was in Platinum again and he needed to skill, so I put on the Thinking Cap. Backfired! He lost a Charisma point!

2. Also, when my sim used the energizer and it backfired, I was given 8 or so little pop up windows on the side informing me that I lost enthusiam in all 8 hobbies, even though he didn't have any in some of them! Not sure if it's a feature or glitch, but the note pop up spam is really annoying.

3. The main menu screen is very very choppy. It freezes and unfreezes every 3 seconds. This has been an issue since Bon Voyage.

4. I cannot find the medicine cabinet or the medicine cabinet mirror. I have checked every category, it does not exist for me.

5. How does magic work? I'm a bit confused about that.

6. One of the neighborhood decorations has been replaced by a new one. Downtown looks really glitchy because of this.

7. Roommates motives are always green. Every time they go to work or run errands they turn green as well.

8. The little portraits are changing every time sims change clothes. It's irritating, I like certain portraits for certain sims!

9. Messed up memories and genetics for new premades

10. Not a bork, but some really weird townie names in Belladonna Cove. Christian Love...

New Bork (at least to me). (http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?threadID=22231d8231d0578011d2df1fc1f882f4&directoryID=226&startRow=1&openItemID=item.226,root.1,item.43,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23)

Warning: BBS Link.  Though it's pretty tame.

Upon receiving any NL mail like coupons or whatnot, the apartment mailbox reverts to a standard mailbox thus preventing apartment-based mailbox actions.

I keep getting these "attribute number out of range" errors on apartment lots with only the AL director's cut as hacks. Anyone know what this is about?

You can, it's just tricky. I had to set up everything but the door to the outside partitioned yard, move the family in, invoke the "boolProp aptSubLotSpecificToolsDisabled false" cheat. Add door. Profit. The bad thing is that neighbors will be psychic about what you have in that area and crave it.

Basically, in the game's view fences = common areas. That's why the tiny flooring edge dividers are turning kitchens and the like into community areas.

If you add the door after switching the lot type to apartmentbase but before moving sims in, the lot reports having 0 apartments at $0 and you won't be able to move anyone in. My next building attempt will be a set of townhouses, so we'll see if I can set up attached yards, package, and have it still function. I don't have high hopes.

Lerf, that was classic.

Picture of what beach apartment lots do (effects do not occur until move-in):
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2742/snapshot75c4501195c564axn4.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot75c4501195c564axn4.jpg)
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4040/snapshot75c4501135c564bid5.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot75c4501135c564bid5.jpg)
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1782/snapshot0000001db5c5641lj7.th.jpg) (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot0000001db5c5641lj7.jpg)

Yeah, it's bad. They still look okay from the 'hood.

There's something seriously wrong with the witch sparkles. First the sparkles disappeared when the witch came home from work. Now when I loaded the same lot again, the sparkles were suddenly there! Directly after load. Next time she went to work, she was sparkling as she should, but when she came back from work, the sparkles were gone again! I checked the alignment, and the good alignment bar was completely full. I bet when I load the lot again, the sparkles will be there again. Hmmpf.

Error is found and fixed. Will be in next hack updates. Do not force unsolicited errors, they never help.

This is some kind of test-tree issue with beds. I have no hacks pertaining to bed relaxation, so once again, I point the blame squarely at tight pants.

Issue is under investigation and will be fixed as soon as I figure out how to receive a piece of NL mail.

Dine at a whole bunch of restaurants. I typically get a coupon after three or four meals.

Besides the broken cell phones, and my Sims' weird tendency to go to sleep before I would have told them to (just because it's nighttime), the only other glitch I'm noticing is in the house in the new neighborhood with a helicopter pad on the roof.  I moved the two single men into it, whereupon I noticed that the floor tiles couldn't be edited in the room in the rear right corner (with the mailbox and trash can directly facing you).  All other rooms are fine.  My guess is it's due to the very bumpy lot (I know AwesomeSpec requires a completely flat lot, and preferably a completely flat neighborhood), or else to this new thing with ceiling tiles.  I use walls-down mode, so I don't know whether there are ceiling tiles in the room, but next time I will check.

I am having no errors otherwise, as long as I keep my Sims in houses rather than apartments, and use regular landline phones rather than cell phones.  But I have yet to see how "Screen Calls" works, which may make me no longer need cell phones anyway.

I don't have SNS installed right now, but one thing we were worried about is the temperature control with the new central AC units -- has anyone noticed whether that's working?  Just curious.

Thanks for your hard work, JMP -- I know we all appreciate it!

That was covered in the readme - said not to make apartments from beach lots.  Not that it's not stupid that you can't do that, just that... we were sort of warned.

Oh, we were. But some people wanted to see what it looked like when you tried.

Thanks for the pics Zazazu, I was wondering what it looked like.

As for the EAxian Downtown stupidity:
(http://i34.tinypic.com/j83055.jpg)

I wonder how this could be fixed effectively? It seems either Belladonna Cove or Downtown has to be all glitchy and ruined.

It's in Decorative/Miscellaneous about 16 clicks in ($280). There are mirrored and non-mirrored versions. Never heard of a medicine cabinet without a mirror, but oh well.

There are lots goofier townie names (Goopy Gils Carbo, anyone?) but I wondered earlier if Christian Love who used to upload mods at MTS2 has gone to work for EA. They seem to name some of their townies after EAxis slaves employees. Somebody told me CL is back updating his stuff at MTS2 though.

You are correct, sir.  Macro>Concentrate fixed it.

I'm having tons of errors with the Juice keg.  Peoples' hands get stuck in the cup-holding position.  I don't know if this is an AL exclusive bug, as I haven't used the juicer in YEARS.  :-\

As someone else stated, evil witches on community lots spawn roaches, which is weird and phail.

I know the portrait switching has been mentioned already, but today I had a sim electrocute themselves fixing a trash compactor - and the portrait was going *mental*.  From what I could tell, every time her appearance switched between the 'skeleton' and 'normal' appearance during the electrocution, the portrait would switch as well. 

Thanks for pointing in the right direction. It wasn't a hack issue but a borked new custom bed.

That's what I was referring to when I said the high-rise condo plopable was replaced by the new AL building decoration, which does that for all instances. 

Good to hear about the fixes are in the works for some of the more critical problems.

Roaches are mentioned in the 'storm' spell's description, the one that those evil witches just love to cast. Apparently these bugs are a 'feature'.

Update on the constant-hugging: It seems that even people who have 63/22 relationship scores will turn down the hug gesture. This is driving me ballsy. I mean, it's hilarious in a sense, but I'm getting seriously tired of seeing red minuses all the time. Any suggestions as to what I can do? Otherwise I'm just going to have to leave everyone on Macrotastics 24/7 (which I try not to do).

ETA: It's definitely not a gesture. It's just Friendly Hugging.

That's pre-AL. I had it the very day before I installed AL. It seems to go away on it's own after a little while though, and it does make for some very amusing pictures.

It seems AL broke curved pools. Well some of them anyway. I tried replacing them and it didn't fix it.
(http://i35.tinypic.com/f1wrvc.jpg)

I also wonder about that because I was on a community lot when the infallibly good witch showed up. I was socializing with her to get her in my panel when it started to rain. So another infallibly good witch showed up for an hour to cast the stop rain spell since I was keeping the first one busy with macro...socialize.

Why would we need more than 1 NPC good witch spawned. Not to mention the one that showed up on the lot and I was socializing with was different from the one the Cordial sisters knew. Sounds kind of like the tour guide to me though so far not as prevalent.
 
I had this happen too.Though without the mod sofa and only updated awesome hacks.  I couldn't socialize with any sims until they went to bed after playing on the playground.

Tempus interuptus (time freezing spell) seems pretty badly MATY-made borked. Isolated a jump bug during frozen time where clicking on a sim jumps them and only allows entertain and primp. Time freezing itself works as it should. This is the DC, so no bvanimchildfix is involved. Spell works fine with no MATY stuff.

Actually the problem was that they were re-relesed while the door was not, so they independentized it.
I have fixed this, but depending on how much you have played, there might be broken stuff, and there WILL be broken stuff on EAxis-made lots.

Another new thing I'm noticing, now that I'm trying UNI out with AL added on top, is that dormies are constantly entering my playable Sims' bedrooms and sleeping in their beds.  I've never had this happen before.  I suppose I could just lock the doors, but it still strikes me as odd and phail.  I'm running base+UNI+FT+AL at the moment, and there is some tight pants including the InSimenator, but oddly, almost everything else is working OK -- besides cell phones and anything inside an actual apartment.

I have yet even to see a witch in-game, much less try out magic, though....

The binary search has revealed that nopedostalkers (fully updated) is once again at the cause of AL borkage, this time screwing up stuff during frozen time.

About the curved corner pools, this happened pre-AL with me, but with the outside of the pools, not the inside like in the above pic.

oh, and whats this Apartment Life Director's Cut?

Here. (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/maty/ffs/index.php?dir=al%2F)

The same thing happened to me in Bon Voyage on a vacation lot. I haven't played any Uni lots yet.

Go to a community lot. Try a park or someplace out of doors. Good witches come in the daytime and evil ones come at night. No pun intended.  ;)

Okay, now that is weird. I'm going to have to do more research in how that spell works, because the error you're getting should never happen and apparently may invalidate the version checking method, requiring a rewrite of everything.

That sounds like a V, V, VBT.   :(

If you've added the DC, either take out nouniprotect or make beds available for your dormies that not behind dorm doors - nouniprotect means that they now need to sleep, and for some reason they can't see the beds behind their own dorm doors which is why they are attempting to use your playables' beds.  This is pretty normal behaviour with nouniprotect in the game, and has nothing to do with AL.

Yeah, nouniprotect can make the game weird in university hoods. It can also make it hilarious. In dorms, they pee their pants, get all smelly, fall asleep in their food, fall asleep on the ground...

If you don't want to see the hilarity, just remove nouniprotect. It's EAxis behaviour.

I did some experimenting with this and found some workarounds.
The easiest one requires an invisible fence, the one I tested with is Niol's at MTS2 (http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=219292). (First in the download list.)

So, you have your house with the fenced in yard; instead of adding stairs, add extra foundation where you want the stairs to be.
(http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r427/Goggalor_Pics/AL/0a9fa10f.jpg)

Now, add the invisible fence so that the foundation is completley framed. ( I used a stone fence instead so you would be able to see it ;) )
(http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r427/Goggalor_Pics/AL/32cf730c.jpg)

Then remove the extra foundation again, and use the moveobjects on cheat to place the stairs in the gap.
(http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r427/Goggalor_Pics/AL/d6513b1d.jpg)

Now you should be able to turn it in to an apartment if nothing else is wrong. I haven't had the problem that zazazu has with normal fenced-in areas, I did however have one custom door that didn't work in apartments, while others were fine.

With invisible fence and and a testing sim:
(http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r427/Goggalor_Pics/AL/285e6e94.jpg)

Just to reiterate, nopedostalkers seems to be the only mod that screws up the time spell - all others work fine.

Here's hoping it's not as bad as you make it  :( AL seems to have enough problems as is.

Time spell works with current edition. Retry?

Yep, new nopedostalkers works. No more bad jump bug during frozen time.

That's fantastic! I was most of the way to that, but since I was on the test account with no CC, I didn't think about invisible fences. Invisible walls should work as well. The only problem is with shadows...I've yet to find an invisible fence or wall that doesn't throw a shadow.

Could always disquise the shadows with something like the high shrub or something, and thank Chthulu - I made this really nice townhouse complex with these small gardens in the back.

Bork? Feature?

Roommates are supposed to be uncontrollable, right? This roommate was, until his needs started going red as a result of spending his day off on the synthesizer. Suddenly, he became controllable. I was able to direct him to pee, eat and sleep before he croaked.

I wonder if roommates become controllable when it becomes clear they can't take care of themselves? Or, Just Another EA Feature?

oii How many borks have we found? I bet BBSers bork their game less than this! It's so ridiculous to think that they can't get things straight.

Recolors for the photobooth and card table are broken. I know this because I downloaded several. Although I am not sure about the restaurant podium, seeing that I haven't built a community lot yet, nor download any recolors of the podium (since I have found 2 borked objects.)



Roomates aren't supposed to be controllable. (if you're using/talking about pet control and pet free will cheat, turn off the free will one at least). When i got BV (similar expansion pack and all) and my family went on vacation with a couple of guests they became controllable. I don't think it was a glitch. I probably left a hack I didn't know about in the folder, which would have been 12ish of me.

Oh, I see it now. I do have controlpets set to true on my startup. Nevermind, move along, nothing to see here.... :P

Control pets is fine, but if you use pets free will off, then you'd HAVE to control your roomie.

I wish they just made a different cheat like "controlRoomies on"

Yeah, the shadow fits neatly around the solid steps though:
(http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r427/Goggalor_Pics/AL/555f84e9.jpg)

However, if the foundation is is not 4 clicks high (or 8,12 etc) then the stair ends "mid-grid" and there will be ugliness.

The fence I linked to has no shadow when placed directly on the ground, but I think all partitions do if you go up one floor, even the otherwise shadowless greenhousewalls.

There are other ways though, cc free, but with other drawbacks.
Take a normal fenced-in yard, line the inside of the fence with foundation:
(http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r427/Goggalor_Pics/AL/2582df81.jpg)

Then build a fence along the foundation edge, and delete foundation:
(http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r427/Goggalor_Pics/AL/cade10e3.jpg)

This way you can actually take advantage of the silly "room divider is a wall"-thing, and use that as the top fence, hiding it inside the bottom one.
The drawbacks are that you can't go to the lot edge, and since the foundation level yard area now counts as a room it will raise the rent considerably.


I think those two are only recolorable through the CEP?

Thanks! I will definitely get back to my duplex tomorrow to give this a try...

Bah, they do that with the children's oven and a few other things with every stuff path recently. A new CEP will fix it.

Installing EPs could break the CEP. Reinstall it and the recolors should be fine. In my Game recolors for the photobooth and card table are there and work.

Oops, now I think I really did break it.  I would suggest avoiding the helicopter (!) now available for purchase for a cool $20k.  I was going to try to use it to get a Sim to a community lot, then changed my mind and cancelled it out.  This turned out to be a VBT, resulting in an endless loop of error messages of the type "A vehicle is trying to return, but there is no driveway for it to return to".  I couldn't even quit the game and had to do a hard shutdown.

The next time in the game, it hung up during a save of that same family.  The next time in, I deleted the helicopter and the helipad, and was then able to save -- only to have it hang while in the middle of loading a community lot.

I'm about to do the binary search thing tomorrow, then if that doesn't work, I'll uninstall and reinstall everything.  I might have killed something when I cancelled out the helicopter interaction.

I do not have the DC installed and wasn't using nouniprotect, but I'll wait to get that until all my other CC is working and the game is working as well as it can, at least minus helicopters and cell phones -- oh yes, and minus apartments too.  ::)

I will retry and see how it goes.

I seem to have found another bug - I only have hacks installed [ I think] that are for EP8.  In a EAxis made apartment building, hobbies being built up gets me an invite to the various lots.

However, I noticed in my own building, I don't get them, at all.  Kind of annoying because I'd planned on using the hobby pottery wheel and sewing machines, so didn'y put on on my own building's lot.

Heh, that's a good trick usable outside this type of situation. Price isn't that big of a deal if you are using the magic wand, since they depreciate so much.

Found yet another bork.

If you plead for the life of a non-playable if death decides to visit them, then that sim becomes a playable sim.

I don't want your vile candy, EAxis! Stop making useless sims in my family. Their job iis to clog my townie pool

It's a tiny, nitpicky thing, but I can't help but notice it. When those (I'm assuming) reputation pop-ups come up, saying "Oh, I work in a furniture store, here's a discount, blah blah" or "You're in Law! You deserve a pay raise!", instead of saying the name of the sim who is getting the benefit, it says the name of the sim giving it. I just had two in a row, and when it said, "<name>, you deserve a pay raise", instead of having Aurora's name there (who was the sim receiving the benefit), it had the names of the sims giving the benefit (so it said, "Xavier, you deserve a pay raise" and "Maddison, here's a discount")

Like I said, nitpicky, but it's getting on my nerves.

That's normal, or it's an old bug. I had happen that once (Seasons?) when my YA pleaded for a dormie who croaked thanks to nouniprotect. What's even worse - although I made her a townie again, my sim only got 50% of the family funds after graduation >:(.

I don't know if this is a clitch or am I doing something wrong, but I'll mention it anyway.

I had two CAS-sims in a pre-made apartment. I made them both witches, one evil and one good. When they both got the ability to make those lamp-thingies, the nice witch could make it without problems, but the evil witch couldn't. She had all motives up (almost max) when she began. Halfway through her motives had dropped so low she couldn't continue anymore. So it takes my evil witch much longer to finish her lamp. So far she's been working on it 4 times and still not finished. I had only awesome hacks, and I've tested this with no CC at all so I know it's not a conflict.

Oh, and, then there's the thing with her spellbook and cauldron. When I took them out of her inventory, I moved them a couple of times after that, but now they're unselectable. My sim can use them, but I can't select them in buy/build mode or in inventory. Move_objects on doesn't help.

Edit: Solved. For some reason the game thought that the little room wasn't a part of the apartment.

New bork list I compiled from the BBS. I'm sure most of these are caused by hacks. I'll test them all myself whenever my game decides to land on my door step, till then, anyone got them?

Game crashes when searching for job via computer for unemployed newly made sims only. Seems to be random?
Game resetting skills to 0 on random sims apparently when moving them into apartments. (seems to mostly affect cooking skill... a BBS user reported it as losing the 'cocking skill', I'm still laughing.) - Confirmed.
Roomies when asked to Join Family are still being treated as roomies.
Toy dogs food seems to run out really quick. Seems they copied the hamster and it had the same bug.
Feline familiar seems to be both male and female? The male and female icons overlap each other apparently.
Roomies seem to get all their needs refilled by going to work and never have to sleep or much of anything else thus killing the challenge of keeping them happy. - Confirmed
Flirting while sitting at the new food stand seems to cause the sims to hop out of the seat.
Magus Mutatio spell (turning target into witch) doesn't work.
Apartment door mats start to flash blue when snow is on the ground.
Besides having the annoying losing enthusiasm popups for roomies, it seems to be spawning them for hobbies they aren't even learning in.
You cannot use the spellbook or cauldron again if it not abandoned before curing the witch.
Sims don't seem to be sitting and watching TV for very long before turning it off.
Any mailboxes that had mail in them when AL was installed seems to spit the mail to the corner of the lot. - confirmed but doesn't pose an issue.
Roomies don't pull the murphy bed down themselves and will instead nap on the couch.
Asking a sim to only sit in the helicopter with no other active sims capable of attending to young ones on the lot will say they can't leave the little ones home alone.
Going on a date with a neighbor on the lot causes them to go back inside of their apartment and won't come back out.
Landlords seem to pick up old newspapers and put them down again repeatly rather than throwing them away.
Option to play football gone.
Option to talk about a sims hobby gone.
Option on sim or other sims to take picture gone.
Trained dogs who are trained to not to sit on furniture are doing so.
Dog's won't eat. Cats seem to be fine.
Everytime a Sim returns from a community lot where they've purchased clothing they get a 'great, someone in the house bought clothes but don't own a dresser' message, even when they do. Also buying jewellery is prompting a 'great, someone in the house bought a game, you need a games console to play it on' message. - Confirmed
Asking a neighbor to babysit seems to make them forget they have a toddler of their own to watch (if they do) as they accept it anyway and leave the kid alone with no other adults in the apartment.
Neighbors are obsessed with catching butterflies.
Never see the old townies anymore because the old ones have taken over.
Nanny shows up in the middle of the night when hired at that time.
Sims in your apartment building but not in your household do not count as family friends for promotion purposes.
Dates with the landlord seems to cause him to cause him to just pace inside your apartment and never leave after its over.
The garage doors that came with NL count as another apartment door where as the ones that came with AL do not.
The skunk has no front legs now and doesn't leave the lot?!
Sims randomly get pregnant in the More Romantic than You bed while woohooing. I don't think thats a feature?
Having a witch open a business and sell potions yields the "there are no more of this item left" when trying to restock even if there is several in the sims inventory.
Teens cannot go to college by any method. The action drops out of the queue.
Witches with the want to cast a good spell do not have it fulfilled when a good spell is cast.
Newly born sims don't seem to be aging.
New households don't get the option to Write Restaurant Guide with pleasure aspiration on their computers. - Confirmed
Follow up on the no school bus coming bug: It only affects families you move in to apartments, sims born in the apartments do get the bus. - Confirmed but it's due to the apartments in the bin being borked.
Gypsy no longer leaves genie lamp, she sneaks onto lot but leaves without leaving it.
More Romantic than You bed doesn't use all the default bedding. - Confirmed but believed to be by design
Butler cooks for hungry toddler and if he cannot find empty counters or tables to put newly cooked food, he puts them in common areas. Sims also seem to be setting the tables out in common areas too and aren't suppose to be.
When homework is placed outside of the apartment you can no longer interact with it.
Classic dance causes crush.
Some families in Belladonna Cove aren't discovering their predestined hobbies.
Butler takes toddler off lot when holding it and his shift ends.
Cannot call other playable neighbors.

Edit: Since i've gotten my game, I'm checking into some of these. I've crossed out the ones that aren't valid and obviously caused by newbness.

OK, here come my two annoying bugs.

EAxis has made only one good phone for the game (Pets EP) yet, and Apartment Life makes it look stupid (I haven't tried the table version):
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y105/hannah_spring/snapshot_f5c1b804_35c367aa.jpg)

And one thing that is rather strange is that the icons/pictures of Sims change every once a while. It's the picture of Sim that changes when you change his/her look in the mirror; in my game it changes randomly without having makeovers done.

I honestly think the MRTY bed only has 3 covers by design. The other covers would look weird and clash with the colour of the bed, and I just think it's only meant to have the sleazy zebra print covers.

Is the food contest table (or whatever it's called in English) that came in Free Time supposed to be buyable in apartments?

I have a question about this method - doesn't the fence keep the sims inside? I thought about an invisible window or door but rejected it due to movement restrictions. Do you delete the invisible fence once you place the stairs?

The solution I found is to create a small room like you would a garage with house-on-foundation; you get the sloppy walls around the door, but it's not horrible, I suppose.
(http://www.illusionsofgrandeur-ts2.com/Misc/fromoutside.jpg)

From the top, of course, it looks like another room. I did put a door from the main floor to the fake porch - in this case I envisioned it as a mudroom. I can see using this method to build conservatories or other 'sunken' rooms.
(http://www.illusionsofgrandeur-ts2.com/Misc/fromtop.jpg)

The result is a real rowhouse sort of back yard, plus a small balcony from the master bedroom (bonus!). Now I just need to replace the Maxis fences with the custom fences I really wanted (I wondered for a while if CC was the issue).
(http://www.illusionsofgrandeur-ts2.com/Misc/kildarefarms-back.jpg)

Meanwhile, I hope someone comes up with a real fix to this issue.

Hecubus, I can has lot? Please?

OMG! That apartment look awesome. I hope you'll find a solution soon. And upload them somewhere. :P

Some random at a community lot networked at me and offered to put me in touch with his friend Therapist.
I refused, assuming this was a VBT.
Is there a hack for this?

My evil witch went into aspiration failure and she had an option to click on the Therapist to cast a spell. I tried it out, and it just gave a popup that Therapist looks too busy.

CEP problem, actually -- there's a bug in the CEP module that allows phone recolors.  Remove it and everything should be fine.

Which reminds me - I sent a couple of Twikkii Island and while there, they visited the Witch Doctor's Hut.  They had just finished the repairs when I heard the Cuckoo-sort-of-noise that accompanies a visit by the Therapist.  Both my Sims were fine, so I was understandably confused - and I finally found the Witch Doctor over by the hammock going through aspiration failure.  Never seen that before, and not sure if it's 'intentional' or not. 

Another odd occurance - haven't tried reproducing it yet - I added a desk to a child's room, mostly to up the environmental score just before a Headmaster's visit.  Another desk already existed in the living room, with a computer on it, where it had been since before the child was even born.  When the child next returned home, the homework was placed beside the new desk, not the original.  Whilst obviously this isn't undesirable, it is interesting and I really ought to play another house with kids to find out if this was a one-off...

Yeah that's awesome.  I can has too?

No, the sims can enter the yard just fine, they just walk through the invisible fence. (Or a solid fence too actually.) I think this is because as soon as they are on the stair the game considers them to be on the ground level, and since the fence is on the foundation level it's not blocking them.

I tried the split level yard entry as well, it definitely has its uses.

Oops, sorry! Didn't know that. Actually, I was happy to install CEP after like 100 years and now I have to uninstall it. Duh, guess I'll have to wait for an update. Thanks!

Or just delete the CEP-EXTRA_Phones.package. If you auto-installed it should be in Documents\The Sims 2\zCEP-EXTRA.



...it should be fairly obvious custom phones and recolors likely won't show up after doing this.

This glitch occurred once in my game.  A newly created Sim exploited the skilling glitch and maxed all skills.  A few Sim days later, the cooking skill reduced to one.


The Prima Guide mentions that roomies can refill needs by going to work and running errands but I think this feature is working too well. One roommate maxes her needs each time she leaves the lot; she is never in a bad mood.


I've received this message on several occasions.  I didn't have any dressers on the lot but the Sim did have functional closets.  One would think that having closets would stomp this message.


My Sim became friendly with the landlord and, after finishing his work, he asked to hang-out for awhile.  After hanging-out for a few hours, I directed my Sim to select the landlord so that she could "say goodbye".  The option did not appear.  The playable Sim was a witch and the only option available on the landlord was "cast spell".  I then directed my Sim to begin skilling as I thought the landlord would leave on his own when it became late.  He never left.  Instead, while she was skilling, the landlord wanted to say goodbye to my Sim.  Each time I cancelled skilling so that he could say goodbye, this action dropped from her queue.  At around 5 am, after he stayed all night, I used the cheat "moveobjects on" to delete the landlord.


I've had no problems with the genie lamp.  It was left on the lot and worked properly.

There are lots goofier townie names (Goopy Gils Carbo, anyone?) but I wondered earlier if Christian Love who used to upload mods at MTS2 has gone to work for EA. They seem to name some of their townies after EAxis slaves employees. Somebody told me CL is back updating his stuff at MTS2 though.
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No, I think it's just Maxis pretending they're benignly tolerant of modders.  Have you checked out the name of the vibrating bed.  Or the fish wall thingies from FF?

Search Numenor's stuff on MTS2.  He's got a true shadowless invisible wall setup there that might work for you.  The downside is that you have to edit a core game file and you may not be able to share lots made using it.  :/


Who says it's a bug?  Makes perfect sense to me.

Grim:  WELL OKAY.  BUT HE'S YOUR PROBLEM NOW.


Ye gods.  I see a patch in the (hopefully near) future...

ETA:  Edited multiple time because I fail at quoteboxes.

Is there supposed to be an Apartment Life collection file? I checked my in-game collections and all I can find is the individual set collections but not the full AL one. All the other EPs and SPs have a collection with all the new objects, walls and floors so am I just missing the AL collection file, or is there not one?

There is one, but EA in all their wisdom decided not to give it the green plumb bob you'd normally look for. The folder icon is hard to spot because it's Easter colored apartment buildings on a pink background.

After adding in the AL DC (or at least the things I wanted), doing a binary search, and finally removing all tight pants except what I absolutely couldn't live without, I'm pleased to say all dorms and regular houses are working fine.  Cell phones work again, fridges act like fridges, and my Sims can go to community lots.  I have yet to see the Good Witch, but I have seen the Atrociously Evil Witch twice.  I could have wished they'd given her a different voice, as she sounds nice but looks evil.  The other feature I haven't tried is the lap dog, but I'm a bit afraid....

Incredibly, I'm not only running the InSimenator, but also using a version that's pre-FT.  I believe they said the AL version would be out in about a week.

I am still getting dormies using my student Sims' beds, unless I tell them to lock their doors -- and I'm not using nouniprotect.  My guess is this may have to do with keeping apartment roomies from passing out.

Also, is it me, or are Sims' needs decreasing much more quickly with AL installed than before?  I could also live without my Sims trying to put themselves to bed so often, but it could be worse.

Next I'll try an apartment again, just with a single Sim.  And let me add my vote that those row houses look fantastic!  ;D

This might just be me, but because it was reported in another thread by someone else, I doubt it. I have the latest pee files.

yellowpeeobject is causing puddles to spawn one after another until there is no room left under a sim simply standing next to a pee puddle. The option to mop it up is instantly stomped, making the only way to delete said puddle via moveobjects or evaporation.

Here's a crappy screenshot.

(http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/DigiGekko/snapshot_f5afb0b5_35c6e229.jpg)
And they'll just keep multiplying as long as he's standing still, until there is no room left for pee to spawn. Yum.

Reminds me of Mrs. Emery in Little Britain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndiijED-o9s). :D

I managed to fix the "Needs" text on the Needs panel. It was insanely small (and mismatched with the pets version of the panel!) because EAxis inexplicably deleted a line of code. Something I presume they do quite often.

Now if I just find a way to fix all the other things they thought was a good idea to make absolutely tiny.

Like the Name the Baby dialog box? That's an annoying one. Is it as simple as opening a file in Notepad and changing a text string, or is it more complicated than that?

The time it takes to make the "Hand of Darkness Floor Lamp" seems to depend on the evilness level. I tried to make one as soon as my warlock unlocked it, he was only "mean" at that time. It took several hours, while I was busy dragging his motives back to green. Since he's become "evil", though, that thing is finished faster than e.g. the "Enchanted Essence of Cur Tails", with no remarkable motives drain. At least not more than while making other "evil" stuff.

But I really hope for a hack that makes cauldrons fun to use.

I don't think the Witch Doctor is suppose to go into aspiration failure, no. Anyone know? Since you can't move him in, isn't he being treated as an object?


I've seen this happen before AL. They are suppose to place it on the desk with a computer but they seem to seek out the newest desk instead.


Even without freshly moving them out / into an apartment?


Technically normal sims get needs refilled when going to work too, but not the fun and energy needs. It's refilling these too and makes for one boring roommate who never does much of anything, I agree its working too well.


Even on apartment lots?


Well, like I said, most them are probably because the idiots of the BBS don't know how to remove hacks but I figured i'd compile the list anyway since some of them are probably valid. It scares me that there is no official bork thread on the BBS... leads one to believe they have no intention of making a patch and don't care if bugs exist because the next bug fest is due in < 6 months. It's going to be awful if we have to raise as much hell as we did with University to get a patch.

Wow, I didn't know EAxis supported open relationships!

(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z301/kariminger/Untitled-20.jpg)
Roman and the sim in the picture (Manisha) are engaged, yet she wants to set him up on a blind date?

Okay, I figured out where the sparkles went. They didn't go away, they just became almost invisible. If I look really closely, I can see them - it looks like the poor witch is fuming.  ::) Exiting and reentering the lot fixes the sparkles, but as soon as she comes back from work they get invisible (almost) - only exiting and reentering makes them visible again. What could possible cause this? I set useshaders on in my userstartup file.

Strange. Removed all but awesome stuff, made a puddle with a provided, fresh, never saved-on lot, and the glitch was still there. So far, it seems that just one other person has this problem (mentioned in that can't become witch thread). Guess I'll just go without yellow pee for a while. I'm about to test it on a separate computer though, just to make sure.

Lawls.  That gave me a good chuckle.


Had a friend that did this to a boyfriend once, just to see what he would do.  That manipulative little slut.  She offered him a date with me.  He took it.  She broke up with him.  We had a nice date.  Haven't spoken to her since.  Anyway, d'ya think the chick would throw a jealousy reaction if her fiancé accepted the blind date?  Or have Eaxis added the romance mod to the game as well as ACR?

She moved into the apartment several Sim days before this glitch ocurred as she was fresh from CAS; she had never lived anywhere else.  After moving her into the apartment, I maxed all skills and a fews days later the cooking skill mysteriously reduced to level one.


The genie lamp was delivered to my newly created Sim, the same one that maxed all skills.  It was dropped off outside her apartment and worked properly.  Frankly, I'm surprised that she could interact with the genie lamp as my Sims have been unable to use dream date gifts left outside their apartments.

To Chain Reaction: As far as sitting in the helicopter if your sim is the only adult/teen home, I have this bug now, only with cars. If my sims have kids at home and they want to woohoo in the car, they have to call the nanny in... to 'hoo in the car... in their own driveway... It's annoying, and stupid, since they're not going off the lot. I don't have AL yet and this has been an issue for awhile with my game. I assumed it as some sort of safe guard in case you accidentally hit "go to community lot."  ::)


To Hannahspring: The Pets phone does that in my game, too, and as I said to Chain Reaction, I do not have AL. If you have CEP, that might be what's causing the problem, but I can't be for sure.

Also, I no longer have the options to date and do a lot of things (toss football, gossip, tell inside joke, etc.) which is annoying. From what I'm reading here, it sounds as if I may need to store my saved games elsewhere along with all my CC and do a total reinstall of the games. I have taken out all hacks/CC and tried the game without them, but the options do not reappear.

I had that the only time I had a roommate.


Well my sim's date kept going back to his apartment but everytime he did, he remembered he's on a date and came back.


I haven't tested the other carage doors, but in pre-made apartments sims do tend to use the carage door more than the apartment door.
Speaking of carages, it's frustrating that you can't place a car on the driveway on an apartment lot, if you have a carage.


Yeah, it only has three.


My sims do that too if they don't have enough space in their apartments. Didn't know if this was a clitch or a feature, but it still feels like it's not supposed to happen.

One thing I also noticed is that apparently if you somehow manage to get a telescope to an apartment lot, you can't get abducted. So no alien babies for my knowledge sims living in apartments. ::)

I didn't have them do it. She's my favorite townie, who I broke a rule for already by changing her to straight so I could marry her in. I didn't want to lose her. Now, Roman is a Romance sim, but he's one of those rare monogamous Romance sims. He's always kept to her (they started dating when he was a teen) and he wanted to get engaged and get married. Never had the fears. She's Pleasure.

Really? My knowledge sim has gotten abducted 3 times off his apartment balcony. He is a knowledge sim with the summon aliens interaction but I only used that the first time to get him the scholarship. The other 2 he got while searching for constellations.

Yup, already rectified that in another post. She does make them now (she's fully evil). I'm pro "make-cauldrons-fun" hack. I got thenostupidreagents hack from MTS2 but if they good make all reagents and objects faster ( a lot faster) I'd be happier because they look so cool using the cauldron!

There's something weird going on with romatic relationships... I had the Cordial sisters get involved with that Armand DeB guy. He and Samantha fell in love first and then while only just friends with Kimberley he accepted her engagement proposal in front of Samantha. She didn't do a thing, but once he accepted the proposal Kimberley lost it and started slapping him for cheating  ::)

I was surprised that Armand even accepted the proposal, because they were barely best friends, and weren't in love. I was expecting him to reject her.

Please don't change the subject when you reply.

No, I'm loading it just fine.

I'm able to load Audrey Manor as well.

With the on the spot blind date set-ups, my test sim was given an NPC (delivery driver).  She can't phone her, which I think was a FT thing with NPCs.  As far as I'm concerned, NPCs shouldn't be droppable by matchmakers/random blind date givers if you then aren't able to ever call them again.
Eaxis seem to not only be promoting open relationships, but one night stands as well.

Playing with all EPs & SPs installed, vanilla.

I noticed that too. I'm playing a vanilla Belladonna Cove and I actually called the fraudulent gypsy for a blind date for Julien Cooke (my favourite EAxis sim!) and he got a female gardener. Tried to call her up for a date the next day and she isn't listed in the phone book. To get around this, I made a group called 'Date' and added her to that. When I want Julien to date her I call her over 'just for fun' and when she arrives, get him to ask out on date. A temporary work-around that is effective without hacks.

I have had the same problem, whenever I try to summon aliens or use the debug mode get abducted thing, the sim walks up to the telescope and then just drop the action.

I thought this was a problem too until I made her snuggle one of the toddlers a couple times. Once the relationship went up, she was able to teach them skills. I don't recall having to be friends with a toddler before teaching them skills, though.

It requires editing the "ui.package" file. It's not terribly complicated, just time consuming as there's hundreds of files to go through (unless you know the exact one). I just compared the code to FreeTime's version and reinserted the missing bit of code. I can tell you which one and how to do it if it bugs you, otherwise I'll put together a fixed package that gets rid of stupid small text for as many things as I can find.

   I eagerly await your fix (checking off yet another annoyance from my list).

FT caused the FFS Laua Table to go missing. Now with this AL mess none of the curtains are able to be place diagonally. While playing the Goth house I had to save every 5 minutes or the game would crash.  Everytime my sims visits a Downtown lot the game crashes upon saving.  

EA needs to rethink the whole business of reducing the expansion packs down to the last common denominator. It sucks and it really is unfair of them to stick it to the sheeple who have bought all the expansion packs.  They should at least test their crap with all the expansion and stuff packs loaded before they release it for sale.

Just wondering if you're clearing gossip on the batbox after your downtown visits and if you did it while on the Goth lot? 

I've found that the game freezes while saving if I've cleared gossip (I left it trying to save overnight the other day and it was still frozen the next morning), but doesn't freeze up if I haven't cleared gossip.  I haven't put my regular 'hoods back in yet, and haven't added a downtown to Belladonna yet, so it's not a downtown problem causing the problem in my game.

Weird glitch number one: I put the Newsons (family of kids) into the trailer park and played them for a bit. The trailer was too small so I moved them out, using the "move families" tool in neighbourhood view. I moved them into a larger apartment and all was fine until I found that the sshack (the one I DLed yesterday as part of the zip file) did NOT prevent the toddlers from being taken away when the butler was there. Quitting without saving sorted that out. I got a nanny for them as well and played the family some more after that, the toddlers aged up and all 6 kids were in platinum/gold.

Then I played Jessica who lives in the trailer park, and her neighbours were STILL the Newson kids. I could see the 12s and the 6s playing in the trailer with the same furniture that I had put in their inventories before I moved them. The next day the name on the trailer door was a townie's, so the trailer was blacked out and they did not go inside but they went to and from school on the bus. After that they sat under the trees complaining about their stinkiness, passing out and worrying. I could see them losing aspiration points too. I bet when I play them again that they will all be in aspiration failure. I cannot get rid of them from the trailer park lot. I think the two 6s could not get off the bus because the 12 boy was passed out on the sidewalk so they have now disappeared but the 12s are still there.

I am not playing with anything other than the moreawsomethanyou.zip hacks. I am guessing that that lot might be buggy.

Weird glitch number two: I had Vivien Cho get a roommate, but the second time I played the lot (after putting the abovementioned hacks in, so I guess it was a reset) the roommate was not visible on the lefthand character tree/list, so I could not check her satisfaction or whatever. She hung around the apartment until I had Vivien move in with the sim upstairs, after which the roommate grabbed her suitcase and left.

Weird glitch number three: Someone else wrote about the glitch when using "try for baby" in the new closet, so I decided to try that option. I suppose Eaxis must have meant artificial insemination because the chimes immediately sounded without either of the sims concerned actually being in the closet. I'm not complaining, this is a real time-saver, it eliminates all that tedious patting of cushions and relaxing.

Issue is fixed.

I have the problem with the schoolbus not coming to apartment lots. At first I thought it was a hack conflict but know the bus doesn't come without any Downloads in either (very weird as I could have sworn it did at one point). Also there are no carpools for the non playable renters, but that may be by design and at least they walk to work, while the kids just hang out in the community area all day.  ???

   I've found that the Apartment Controller (that deals with all of the townie neighbors) can get borked when there are hack conflicts.  Even after pulling out the conflicting hack, the controller is still borked.  Move the sims out, then back in and THEN come back and tell us you have no bus.  Oh, and when doing this test, try it only with Awesome/verified updated for AL hacks.
   This could also explain tngrspacecadet's borkiness.  I had a borked controller on that particular lot, and none of my townie neighbors could either enter their own apts or leave the lot.

       How many car pools do you want clogging up your road?  Yes, that is by design, the neighbors walk to work at their appointed times.

For those who had it not work, was the telescope in a common area or private balcony? Neither should affect anything, but you know how EAxis thinks...

Also, this isn't a bug but a warning. The mailbox/trashcan ploppables titled SEDD_BuyMailbox, SEDD_BuyTrashcan, will prevent apartments from getting the new mailbox. Luckily, removing the download causes the mailboxes to remain displayed and the proper mailbox to be on each lot.

I'm having a more or less, stupid glitch... I was playing the newly added neighourhoud and decided to start playing with Jessica. At first everyting seemed to work... but then I noticed a problem with 1 of the sims living in the apartment

So basicly a townie living in an apartment seems to be 'stuck' in his own apartment-room. Nothing is visible in his apartment except the 'stuck' sim himself.
The weird part is:
- He isn't going to work, he isn't eating, he doesn't do something. He basicly just stands and keeps repeating the animation that he can't reach an object. The bubble above his head, is the same icon as the icon sims have when they are 'checking out the apartment'... (I hope I translated that option correctly  :-\...)
- Other sims can talk (and gossip) with him just fine, but that's the only thing he want's to do...

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Oh, anyone any idea if a roommate can get skill points and get actual promotion on their work?

mhrm... Now I know that the cheap island is missing. I think this was a pre-AL bug though. When I had FT, I thought it was something that I had downloaded which caused the conflict. So it's actually a bug, because I was noticing the cheap island was gone when I did a fresh install. *sigh*

The sim I tried it with was living in an "ordinary" house

Has there been any fix for the condo deco replacement bug yet?
This is the only thing really stopping me from installing AL. It absolutely butchered my city center maps

I still have no bus. :P

Also tried fresh apartments, different sub hoods, but no cake bus.

After further investigation it seems to be neighborhood related. In Belladonna Cove the bus works fine, in my my long played BFBVFS neighborhood not so much. If the Apartment Controller got borked beyond repair it seems to affect the whole neighborhood and is probably perrnanent. Could also be that the neighborhood is corrupted to begin with in a way that affects the Apartment Controller. Serves me right I guess.


I just thought that would be a very Eaxis thing to do and was kind off surprised when the all walked to work.  ;)

Does anybody else have the 'sparkles going invisible after work' issue? Because it's driving me nuts, and don't understand what possibly could cause this.

FYI, Dizzy has a fix for the non-callable NPC thing over on Laden Swallow.

Well, I've got almost all the kinks worked out.  The following remain.  This is with some of the DC installed (including the critical fixes of course), plus some tight pants.

1.  The "invisible living room" problem that (I think it was) HystericalParoxysm reported earlier, seems in my case to be related to editing the interior walls of apartments using the boolprop cheat mentioned elsewhere.  As long as I do not do that, everything is fine and the apartment loads and reloads normally.

2.  Someone mentioned about the toy dogs being broken.  I have the same thing.  Sim goes to pick up the dog, and is cuddling an invisible dog while the actual dog is between his feet.  I told Sim to give the dog up for adoption, and the action fell out of the queue and the dog became stuck.  Could not be deleted.

3.  I am not going anywhere near helicopters.

Other annoyances that are probably not bugs:

1.  The good news:  Besides being able to find a roommate with the computer or phone, once your Sim becomes buddies with another Sim, there is a new Propose/Become Roommate.  You may then later on choose Propose/Move In, whereupon the roomie becomes fully controllable.  After Move In, the second Sim cannot go back to being a roommate.  The bad news:  Someone else probably pointed this out earlier, but it is ridiculous that your Sim can have only one roommate!  Surely there are posh urban apartments out there shared by three and four people?  Also, I haven't had Pets installed for a long time, but I am certain it was possible to have more than one pet, so why not more than one roommate?

2.  Speaking of roomies, I think we have a new AI here.  They are smarter than dormies in certain ways, in that they never miss work and will even do light housecleaning if they are happy.  However, if their needs are too low even to be filled during work, they will get the action "Run Errands" on their queue, and leave the house (even if in their undies or jammies!) to go (as I assume) to Best Buy and get all their needs filled.  :)  My Sims' roomies so far also are in love with the exercise bike (a great way to go almost into at least three needs failures), and also have a habit of making food, even when there's leftovers in the fridge, putting it on the counter, and standing there staring at it for a couple of hours.  Then going to Best Buy to get their needs filled the easy way.

3.  I have also never yet seen NPCs so in love with birdwatching and jumping rope.  I am certain that, if I uninstalled FT, they would do nothing but jump rope all day long.

4.  Have yet to see the Good Witch.  I'm about to try to get one of my college students to befriend the Atrociously Evil Witch, and then see if I can make him a good witch anyway.

Other than that, no BFBVFS or anything like that on my end.  Thanks to all of you for your help!

It is most definitely still possible to have more than one pet. It's been a long time since I haven't been playing with LotFullofSims, but I believe the limit is six pets, or a hard 10 pets&sims total. I had two pets in an apartment on the hackless test account.

As for posh urban apartments shared by three or four people, most of my friends started out in places with two other roommates. Three roommates is rare because four-bedroom apartments are rare around here.

Hells bells yes. I just got done playing a lot by Plasticbox that I converted for AL. Each apartment has a large front porch that technically is community area. I had problems getting one sim to work because two neighbors were birdwatching on the porch. She (Manisha again) is also obsessed with jumping rope. She has fitness as her OTH and sucks at it.

Leftover Hamburgers, group meals - anyone else finding they simply vanish when a Sim is directed to get them out of the fridge?

I made a generalized Undiscovered Shiny for stomping on all this ridiculously annoying shit, but Fat Gwilly People haven't asked.

Hm, it's beginning to annoy me as well. I have a sim neighbor who comes home from work in her silly clown costume and jump ropes in her apartment for hours... and hours... and hours. Then all the other neighbors come out of their hellhole trailers and jump rope on my sim's porch all day long, blocking access for everyone. They also seem to be obsessed with butterflies.

I also lust for a hack to stop the everchanging sim portraits. It's lagging the game and is downright confusing if you have identical twins that swap each others portraits.  :-[

I don't know whether I am gwilly, but I am certainly fat, and I am certainly asking.  I'll go look around for it in a moment.  This must be due to the afore-discussed tendency of EAxis to give new items and interactions increasingly higher advertising (or whatever it's called) with each new EP.  In fact the exercise bike thing I mentioned earlier must be an example too -- didn't that come with FT?  My Sims' roomies will not touch the weight machine, though I wonder if they would if I took away the exercise bike.

Yes, I had that for a while.  Either it was due to tight pants which I loosened, or the critical fixes in the DC fixed it.  Others had it too and presumably fixed it.

I really wish my Sims could have more than one roommate (we can has hack?  pleez?), but another potential problem I forgot to mention before is that roomies will not share a double bed with my Sims.  This is even though I have an old hack called ShareBed that allows Sims to sleep in the same bed regardless of relationship (and only sleep of course, none of the other stuff).  Roomies can find single beds just fine, but if there is a double bed and my Sim is sleeping in it, they will sleep on the couch rather than in the same bed.

Oh yes, one other thing, I've also had the problem with NPCs crowding on the porch of my Sim's trailer home, and getting him to work only with difficulty.  If it isn't jumping rope, it's an endless succession of High Five and Earthy Hug (which actually does differ subtly from the regular hug) and Fake Out.  Though I guess if it weren't that, it would be Play Red Hands and Prank/Ventrilofart and Hang Out right in the way of everyone, and let's not forget the problems we once had with endless pillow fights....  ::)

EDIT:
Sounds like as good a description of me as I could hope for.  ;)

ROFL!!  A sockpuppet who has forgotten whose hand is up them - that's novel :D

I had the opposite happen.  In the middle of the night, my roomie got in the double bed with my Sim, even though he had his own bed.  It was weird because they're both men and not gay.  However, they were at Friends level, so no one got out of bed and bitched.

So, maybe you're ShareBeds is screwing it up.  ???

i have the same problem, only work in Belladonna even i make a new fresh neighborhood and nothing, no is hack problem because use all my hack awesome and not awesome work fine in Belladonna.

   
I suspect is i use a clean  neighborhoods maybe something is missing......

i donrt now what do is very    annoying  Angry

Since I put in the latest version of the critical fix this afternoon before loading that apparently isn't the cure - and everything else I have is from here, plus Lord Darcy's stuff-pack fix.  Any similarities there?

Yes, but I take back that it's neighborhood related. After testing with my pre AL backup I would say it's lot related. On some maxis premade apartments the bus works and on others not. At first I thought it depends on the family, but then I cross-changed their places and yeah, seems lot related.  Either that or it's totally random.


I too considered briefly if it could be a clean template problem but somehow nothing does quite add up with what can be observed. :-\

maybe you are right i will try use a customs apartment and see

update: apartment linked is, put a custom apartment in new neighborhood and work fine, i think the premade maxis bin apartment are borked.

i will do more research

update1:    confirmed, i almost sure is maxis premade bin apartment. I put one premade in Belladonna  no bus  went with original apartment work fine. Stupid Maxis.

update2: i am 100% sure the bin premade apartment are borked. i packged and export  a apartment what come with belladonna and import in other neighborhood and work fine the bus come. I will export all belladonna apartment and delete all borked bin apartment.

By the way I reinstalled the CEP and the recolors are showing up.

Okay, this is getting really weird. I searched for tight pants, and I found some of Numenors global mods and a custom career, so I removed those and loaded the game - which means I only have the AL DC and Lord Darcy's updated fixes in my game. Sparkles still disappear after work! It's really annoying, because I can still see them, they're just not as visible as they should be. Reentering the lots fixes the issue.

Fun game: spot the sparkles! (I forgot to disable free will so the sim keep disappearing out of camera view) They are most visible at the end when I zoom in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyk6rTkXAJ8

Nice, looks more like she's just stepped out of a hot spring on a cold night. Light waft of steam but not much sparkle action going on there.

The most randomly borked thing I've noticed is that non controlled sims are now obsessed with skunks.  There's a townie or apartment sims getting sprayed at least every other hour suddenly.  Seriously - back away from the skunk already.

Influence To: Bathe doesn't work on residential lots,but works in Apartments.
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet.Anyone else notice this?

you do know the kids can walk to school as well. We discovered this because we had a family move into an apartment after the time for the school bus we were going to tell the kids to do something clicked on one of them and the option walk to school was there so off they went

Yeah, at first I didn't notice it at all, I just thought they were gone. I wonder why this happens - I don't even know what to call this phenomenon. I wouldn't mind it so much if the sparkles came back after a while on their own, but I have to exit and reenter the lot to get the sparkles back. I haven't tried changing alignment, then changing back, possible that would do it aswell.

Is this a graphic card issue, or a buggy gameplay issue? I don't even know where to start looking for a fix to this one.

   Since you have the DC, might i suggest you use Macro/Procrastinate then?  Your sim will stand still until further orders.

I didn't realize that kids could walk to school now, it's been freaking me out that the bus wasn't bloody coming.

Oddly enough, after a couple of days home the kids weren't losing their grades either. Hmm. Interesting.

Should there not be some sort of dialogue saying "Send the brats off to school, idiot?"

There should at least be some sort of option as to whether you would like to send them to school on the bus or have them walk, as you do in real life (if they're close enough to walk, that is). That would make a most awesome hack, in my opinion.

Nopedostalkers severely reduces greet and queue spam from this process.

Okay, there's 17 pages of posts, so sue me if this was covered and I didn't see it...

There's a problem with a grand piano on community lots including community portions of apartment buildings.

At first, I didn't think it was a Maxis bug because I had Marhis' faster tip pickup hack in game. So I removed it thinking it was the problem.

WRONG...it's still happening without the hack installed.

Both playables and non-playables become stuck at the grand piano if they play for tips.

[img src=http://www.ditzyprints.com/sims/piano.jpg]

Also on lots with greenhouses, the plants have gone invisible:

[img src=http://www.ditzyprints.com/sims/peapatch.jpg]

I run NO plant related hacks.

I also think the game is spawning multitudes of townies in spite of my use of 'notownieregen' etc. But y'all already knew that...

Ugh, I don't want to call this a bug, but whenever my sim is perfroming comedy or poetry, they get cheered on as if they were singing. I would've loved for the comedy if they laughed, I wouldn't get tired of that though (the way they laugh is hilarious). Erm, maybe for poetry EAxis should have done the finger snaps. Although I don't understand the jokes, I find them funny. Is that a little wierd? By the way, when they're singing with the new microphone isn't there supposed to be music coming out of those speakers?

Edit: Seems as if the "Cuddle under stars" action is a load of dookie.
Click. (http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk221/hekkahekkawhat/?action=view&current=Sims2EP82008-09-0122-53-00-76.flv) Why must the interaction ever be so stoic? It doesn't even look like they're talking...

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but the reputation meter seems to be borked for one of my Sims.  She's gaining no reputation even after she received the network reward that is supposed to substantially increase reputation.  She has made 8 friends and has performed numerous positive social interactions during the friend making process.  The reputation meter and reputation network reward has worked appropriately for other Sims I have played.

Also, I've noticed that the landlord is using my Sim's garbage disposal to throw away community garbage; I find this highly annoying.

The only hacks used in the game are the updated DC and TwoJeffs' updated Triplets and Quads.  I have no CC in the game right now either.

I don't believe that any of my sims either in Coggeshall Village (hacked account) or Belladonna Cove (unhacked account) have ever visibly gained/lost aspiration reputation. The Belladonna playables show green or red area. In Coggeshall, nothing. However, I've gotten the networking reward on one sim and an attempt at the blind date reward on another.


EDIT: Aspiration and reputation are not the same thing.

Mine was on the roof of an apartment building. I used apt building cheats to build stairs and a fence so that the roof is at least supposed to act like it's a part of the apt. My sim tried summoning aliens for 6 hours and nothing happened. Although there was really short moments of lag, which usually indicate that something or someone is coming to the lot (or I could just be paranoid). Lot debugger didn't notice any offworld loiterers though, and the lag wasn't as bad as the last time someone tried to come to the lot but couldn't.

Now you mention it... I have around the same thing happening... When my witch came home from work the sparkles were gone... After playing a little longer she suddenly had her sparkles back, but were gone again a little later. I don't really know how that happened though, I do remember changing her clothes a few times but I think that's not making a difference...

Anyway, I currently only use a few hacks of the DC and I'm at the point of placing an updated 'triplets & quads' hack back in... I have a lot of recolers of custom objects though (not certain if that has to do something with it...)

I've had my test [CAS] sim in Belladonna Cove up to platinum & back to gold & has 34,750 points to spend.  I can't remember the last time she was green though - mind you knowledge sims are simple to keep happy.
I'm yet to test the reward items though....

Yes, I know but that's supposed to be an option and not mandatory (non playable kids won't walk to school anyway). It really seems that most of the premade apartments in the LotBin are borked in respect to recognizing kids/teens on the lots. This would fit with moonsingingfreak observation that the kids' grades aren't dropping when they don't go to school at all. No "bus is coming in an hour" dialog, no bus. The game treats the kids like jobless adults on this lots.

I think I'll try to change the lotzoning back and forth between res and apt with one of the lots and see if this can fix something.

Hmm, so i when is started AL all my pre-existing apartments had the residential mailbox instead of the apartment version so i took out my downloads folder, since i think i heard that the buyable res. box was what was causing the problem and its still there! It must have come packaged with some lot that i downloaded. when i went into the game the res. mailbox was still there So i went back into the game and removed the custom content at startup and restarted, now they are gone. If i can find the files in my downloads folder and remove them is there anything else i need to do to ensure i dont have this problem? Any other folders other than downloads i need to make chnages to?

The paperboy is being stupid. There's plenty of space by the apartment door, but instead he insists on going around the side of the building and leaving the paper around the back. It's also frustrating on residential lots, where he decides it's a great idea to leave it by the pool or in a shadow (I prefer the old mailbox dropoff personally).

And I too am having the instant closet pregnancy. It also called Mary Gavigan to freeze at the top of stairs.

Here's another one; this time from buy mode.

New barstool:  Crankshaft Barstool by You Got Muscle

Scenario:  Island bench.  Two benches long, starting from wall.  Crankshaft barstool beside wall is unusable, "I can't sit down to eat, there's a chair in the way."
Altered both barstools to old faithful, "Keister Kompanion" Barstool.  Now both sections of island bench are usable.

Really, you got the sparkles back? Do you remember what you did when they showed up again? I don't know what could make the graphics so fickle. It's really weird. I wonder if the fact that I use other clothes than the regular witch clothes is the reason? I can't imagine how that could be though. but I'll try that later.

I have the ACR hack in game and when I chose to do casual woohoo Autonomy, they did it upside down in the pull down bed, which was CLOSED.   :o   ;D

Well... Let me think... I was playing in the new hood with 1 of the premade maxis sims in a maxis made home. I send her off to work with sparkles and she came back without them. Made her go and put on the default witch clothes again, (since she was wearing her clothes for work and I hate those). I used maxmotives, made her make study her spellbook (she is a good witch...). Used maxmotives. Allowed her to cast some of the spell. . I don't remember what spell I used; but I remember using the spell to summon that cat 3 times since the cat was to lazy to come the first 2 times. (I guess something is broken there too, since I did the spell 3 times and it's only the 3th time the cat came and I left around 30 sim minutes between each 'cat summon spell' :-\ ...). Used maxmotives. Saved Played around with the kitty. Left them alone for a bit and then I did a 'Save and quit'.

I don't recall when she got her sparkels back, but I do remember seeing them again at some point. But I also remember when I did quit the sparkles were gone again...

EDIT: She went to work again after finally getting that stupid cat, she then got a promotion and after coming home I put her back in to her witch clothes again... (but that shouldn't have anything to with it...)

I can't speak to the rest, but that sounds to me like the cat, at least, is working as advertised. Unless a summons is accompanied by the dulcet tones of a can opener, your average cat is not going to be impressed.

Do you know if your witch had her alignment bar at full? Because mine do, and also I always get the sparkles back when I exit and reenter the lot (and by getting them back I mean they get visible again). Nothing else have worked for me.

Has anyone reported yet that the conartist form BV is walking around in Belladonna Cove? I don't have any vacation hood attatched to it. I don't have any subhood attatched to it at all!  :-\
I heard the sound and he appeared! He's at the Coffeeshop communitylot, I don't know the english version of the name.

She doesn't, but she's almost there...

Gah, I hope the sparkles don't disappear because the bar is full. That would be sad. I'll try make my witch neutral, then work my way up, to see if the sparkles stay, and if so, how long they stay.

He appears on all community lots, not just Vacation ones.

Is anyone else's Bee Attack spell apparently AWOL?

Since it's inception, I've had inconsistent results with the summon aliens benefit. It's not 100% effective, and you can get runs of bad luck. I had one sim trying for close to 24 hours (I got annoyed and froze motives at one point) with no abduction, this back with Free Time.

I'm sorry. I meant reputation, not aspiration.

My teory about sparkles is what if not perform magic thing for a time you lost it and regain doing magic thing. A have a sin witch for while was too busy to do magic things and lost the sparkles, went do somenthing magican the sparkles back.

That doesn't apply to me sadly enough, because the sparkles are still there, they're just invisible (or almost invisible).

even after the estudy magic ? that do my sim sparkles back. i

I don't think so, since the sparkles did disappear for me also, while the bar isn't full yet...

Atrociously Evil Witch lost sparkles on arriving home from work. 
Attempted clothing change, appearance change, study dark arts & casting evil spell with no luck at getting the missing sparkles back. 
Regained them on completion of Magivestigium spell.  Assuming that disappearing/reappearing the sim is what regains them, similar to leaving & re-entering lot.



Nope.  Successfully cast on nearby unsuspecting neighbour.  Followed immediately by highly amusing admiration by landlady.

I've been getting him on base hood community lots at least since FT, if not BV.  He apparently likes to play poker.

Sparkles are caused by a floater like the Plumbob, so it will just return on its own, especially under conditions that cause the plumbob to respawn.

It also worked for me, but it did take a couple of tries. I've been playing the Cordial sisters, and Kimberely tried it on a customer in the home business and he went kind of sparkly orange as she cast the spell, but nothing happened at first. I think I tried maybe three times before it did something. I thought it might not have worked the first couple of times because he had been browsing the store and had the sales bar above his head, so he was "busy".

I only get visible sparkles back by reentering the lot (I haven't tried the teleport spell yet). Is that normal then?

Hrm.
Knowledge/Pleasure sim with supposed ability (according to selected asp. bonuses window) can't actually write the Restaurant Guide at any computer. 
Maxed Cooking & Creativity skills.

Supposedly, Reputation can only be changed on community lots (ridiculous decision). Someone mentioned Carlos Contender having the want to have max reputation, which he has by default. The want was not fulfilled until he was sent to a community lot. There are other reports of it changing only on community lots as well. I too have noticed incremental changes only on a community lot.

Hecubus, I love the look of the row house backyards. I'm having no luck reproducing the effect. I've followed two separate garage-attached-to-foundation-house tutorials, trying each one at least three separate times. Every time I can't place a door to the yard. This happens:

(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.3279ed7ab6.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?3279ed7ab6.jpg)

Can you suggest a good tutorial, or help me understand what I'm doing wrong?

Ridiculous decision fixed in latest comm-skilling. Somehow, I doubt people in the real world ignore your mistreatment merely because it is not a community lot.

Lonesome Dove, try placing the door first, then the stairs using moveobjects on. Or, try placing the stairs on either/both sides of the door but not totally in front of it. Is that the standard foundation height (it looks like it)?

Ugh, screw that. My sims do not go to community lots much at all. They only go to the tiny grocery store. Downtown exists only for new move-in outings. I have community lots in Coggeshall village, but they are all in the middle-income section and all kind of run down. The neighborhood isn't going to get nice places until I get my first Don, which unfortunately hasn't been rolled yet. They will pay for those community lots, by golly. They will pay through the nose.

It's not something I've been focusing on, since the high frequency of walk-bys usually keeps my sims in high friend count.

Thank you again, Pescado. My poor nudist spent all this time talking up one of the guys, in a blizzard, outside, in the buff, for nothing. Never again.

I get the same effect whether I place stairs or not. In the screenie I posted, no stairs had been placed yet. It is the standard foundation height.

I'm stumped! But it's obviously possible because Hecubus did it. Divulge your secrets, I beg you!

Oh, duh. I see what you did there. It's hard to tell with unpapered walls.

Your bottom floor is at foundation height where you are trying to place the door, right? Can't be. Must be normal floor height. Use a control column (either a column or wall) with the floor constraints cheat to raise that wall up to normal height. Do your evening on the second floor.

You need to bring the bottom wall where the door is up to full height.
Turn on the floorelevation cheat.
Build a wall square in the yard, and drag with the level tool from that to the outer part of your entry room:

(http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r427/Goggalor_Pics/AL/cefd521b.jpg)

Then flatten the level above , and you should be able to place your door. (The wall closest to the house will be warped.)

EDIT: Basically what Zazazu just said, with a pic. Missed her post.

You don't even need to build a control column. When you place a door while constrainFloorElevation is still set to false, the wall pops to the right height, dragging the adjacent walls with it (and bumping the second story up). Now, you can flatten the second story, done.

What? There's yet another Charlatan that's not the BV one? I'm sorry but is can I ask for hack that removes that creep from my basehood? If there's already one could someone kindly point me out to it?  >:( I really don't want to see that creep unless I'm in a vacation hood.

My sims never go to community lots and I haven't been playing the game much so I never noticed this.

It worked! I'm not exactly sure what I did, but it worked. Thanks so much, the picture really helped. (Thanks to Zazazu and sloppyhousewife too.)

There's only one type of Charlatan. He just dons disguises in Vacation hoods.

I was messing around with that Grere woman in that crappy house yesterday and she has the want to have 20 lovers at the same time.   I currently have her up to 12, and when she woohooed with them 10 out of the 12 times she got pregnant.  Are the women more fertile now or is it just because I had her sleep with 12 different guys.  It was the first try with all of them too.

Also, I boolproped her babies into children and everytime they age transitioned, she fulfilled the want of meeting someone new.  So for one kid she fulfilled that want three times.  That doesn't seem right lol.  I didn't check her memories so I hope she doesn't have three memories for each kid too because that seems like it would be a VBT.   :-\

Are you playing with 'Risky WooHoo' in? Selecting 'Try for Baby'? Unmodded, a sim doesn't just fall pregnant via WooHoo without user direction to at least attempt said manoeuvre.

I don't have risky woohoo and yes I am selecting try for baby.  I did it intentionally, I was just surprised at how easy it was.  First time for all but two guys?  That seems kinda high.

I don't have any hacks relating to pregnancy and my sims usually get pregnant on the first try...same guy or not. 

Is anyone having trouble moving in or marrying roommates? 

My test subject moved into an apartment and almost instantly fell in love with his roommate.  I tried to find him someone else but no one appealed at all.  I tried to move the roommate in and make her controllable.  When that didn't work, I tried to have them marry and hoped that would correct the problem.  It didn't.

Now they're married but she's still uncontrollable. 

I only have awesome hacks and the updated triplets/quads installed.  Do I need to kick her out and ask her to move in again?  Do I have any other options? 

Also, she never, ever used a bed even though there was one available.  I thought it was a bork but it seems that people in this thread have problems with their roomies using the wrong bed, but not one with a roomie not using a bed at all. 

Have you tried moving him out, then asking her to move in with him in his new dwelling? And out of curiosity, if you did try to move him out, does she pop up as eligible to move out with him?

I am having a problem where a family/knowledge sim is getting the negative memory for engagement, her partner who is knowledge/family gets the positive one and they've both rolled wants to get engaged. Wondering if this is related to the freetime bug with secondary aspirations that I believe one of the patches fixed.

edit: I tried removing my downloads folder and it still happens so presumably not a hack causing it. It's also happening after I reset her LTA points.

Are the Charlatans only suppose to appear on vacation lots? Don't they also appear on community lots downtown?  I ask because the Unsavory Charlaton appeared in front of the first apartment complex I opened and played on in Belladonna Cove.  It was the apartments with Vivian Cho and Timothy Riley living in it.  I was thinking it was strange to see the Unsavory Charlatan there.   I am wondering if the game is treating apartments as if they are community lots, and if this is intended or not. 

Curiously, me too, and as I play on a Mac, I don't even have AL.  My sim did not quite get sprayed, as I cancelled it out of his queue, but suddenly his want panel was filled with "Be Sprayed By Skunk" spam.

I actually suspect it may have been tight pants connected with wfsanity.  So you may wish to check that.

PB

Am I the only one who thinks that the 'get a flatmate' want icon looks like 'I want to hang myself'? I thought my sim had a death wish.

Hecubus: I love that rowhouse!! I would like to know if you were able to change the zoning on that lot. I read somewhere that you can only have one door for each apartment. Or is that why you're trying to use a invisible fence?

Has anyone tried to make a building with a garage or garages? I'm working on it...but I think it can't be done. Oh, one can be made, but the garage is purely decoration. If you put cars, they disappear when you move a sim in and you can't put a car in the game after a sims moved in. (At least I can't.) I know EA has a lot with a garage for each apartment...but I haven't played it. (I don't like the houses that come with the game...I prefer to build since I always redo the pre-made ones.) I'm looking for an easy answer on this  ;D but it looks like I might have to play the EA lot to see if the garages actually work and if they do, how they do.

One more thing- elevators? I read that someone tried to put one in an apartment and it didn't work. I put one in a community area and it works fine. Anyone know why they don't work in an apartment? I've got so many ideas for apartments here and I'm willing to share if I can work out all the things I want to do.

In the Green household I couldn't answer the phone until I deleted it and brought a new one - I put the new phone back on the same wall and it worked. No Downloads folder. No CEP extras.

Apologies if something like this has already been posted. I'm a little behind :)


My sim has a blank want to buy some unnamed buyable object. This is a recurring error, not the only time she's gotten it, nor is she the only sim who has sprung this up.

(http://www.sarianastar.com/ts2/brokenwant.jpg)

I've had the option appearing correctly.

Wouldn't the Object Catagory code direct you in almost the right location?

I'm assuming (foolishly) that it's set up like a tree; you choose the trunk (furniture), then branch (comfort), then on until you reach the blue sofa with the wooden frame.

Because there are numerous 'branches' and even numerous 'trunks', the numbers in order may be the location of the item (10, 10, 9 or 1,0,1,0,9 or 10,109).

FYI: I tried a tree/branch search using those numbers (silly, I know), and came up with Comfort, Seating, Bamboo Chair (BV).  1, 01, 09

You need to update uni_ltw_sns. It is not included in the Director's Cut and must be downloaded seperately.

Pah, I found out that objects in the common area like restaurant podiums (lot zoning cheat), microphones, and gym equipment (except the ballet bar for some reason) are all non-autonomous. Ugh, I went through all of that just to have nobody use it! I also wish that the NPCs could be activated for cash registers and expresso bars on apartment lots. I wanted a downstairs convenience store damnit!

Just to let you all know though the restaurant podium sim works, however you'll have to 'reset' the industrial stove that came with NL/OFB in order for the chef to appear.

Townies are autonomously using the grills on Downtown community lots.  I sent a Sim to the Similar Sights Sculpture Park for half a day(after rotating the rude shiny decorative building next door so it didn't clip into the lot) and two different townies served platters of hot dogs.  Of course none of them cleaned up empty plates.  Maybe this is a new "feature"?  The coffee cart there was being ignored, too. :o  I haven't tested whether this happens in other neighborhoods.  I supposed it could make the Three Lakes campground a stinkfest.

Also, a mild annoyance, at least one recolor of the new adult male caps doesn't default to a capless alternate hair when the Sim is in pajamas, underwear, or naked.  It's sort of cute to see my test Sim wearing it during a bubble bath.

And I don't know whether this is from AL since I didn't try this after FT: if I attempt to make a custom BV secret vacation lot, after I rezone it and move it to the lots & houses bins, it never appears in the bin.  The lots that are in the bin do a little dance where they reverse order within each EP group.  The custom secret vacation lot DOES show up in the University bin, where it's listed as residential, but if I place it in the Uni 'hood it turns invisible.  The rezoning code for custom Secret Society lots in Uni still seems to work like it did before, although I haven't attempted to have a student in the test neighborhood get abducted.

I'm running the game with all EP's and SP's except Kitchen & Bath Stuff, via No-CD, without CC or hacks (not like that's a bad thing, though.)

I noticed this too and I quite like it.  I'm pretty sure they did before AL but it abruptly stopped, perhaps because of a mod or a patch, it left the feature somewhat borked ,meaning your sim would stop in the middle of grilling because another townie had queued the serve (and then dropped it on reaching the other grill). 


Has anybody noticed their sims jumping lifetime wants?

 I did a completely fresh install before installing AL and using only the AL:DC, Nina Caliente had a LTW to be a top chef, I specifically remember it because I set her on the career path and had her do a lot of cooking studying ect.. in preparation for the higher levels.  After playing another lot and moving Dina out I returned to Ninas apartment to find her LTW had switched to Graduate 3 Children from college  :-\   

So far she is 1 of 3 I can 100% say I remember the aspiration of, except for Mortimer & Cassandra who both want to Reach Golden Anniversary, they did before I quit the game at least.  Nina did end up with family as a secondary aspiration, and Dina did get the red engaged memory doodad (2nd asp is Pleasure), I hope this isn't a symptom of the FT aspiration bug.

Yeah, mee too. But I did find that Inge's automatic cash register (http://simlogical.com/sl/Sims2Pages/Sims2_Earning.htm) works though.
The Perfume stand and dog collar display had the menu still disabled, but it worked to buy groceries, magazines and videogames.
Jewelery worked, but it didn't make any sound or show the amount being deducted.

My neighbors used the resturant podium autonomously but very rarely with the resturantbarfix hack from here.
EDIT: In my first apartment/restaurant building I had forgotten to put furniture in the neigbors apartments, and all they did was eat until they passed out. So perhaps you can experiment with not having kitchens in restaurant buildings except for in the active apartments. But do put in beds!

As a general rule, read the entire thread before posting. This is getting long, so I'll humor you.

Hecubus wasn't using an invisible fence, but that is one method for getting around the dumb issue of the game not recognizing division on a lower level. She should have been able to change the zoning, as I used the same method a couple nights ago and it worked.

You can build with garages. There are two methods. One, and the least desirable to me, is to have the garages detached from the individual apartments (shared walls are fine, but entrance doors not so much). The areas become community access. You then have to have placed cars before move-in, or use cheats to place them afterwards. Blech.

The other method, again, is to utilize invisible fencing. Enclose the garage or carport with any combination of wall/half-wall/fence/invisible fence. Put an exit door from the apartment to the carport/garage. It's now usable. The only downside is that the cars fade in/out.

The only thing I can think of is that they are registering as an exit to a common area, as if you were linking the apartments together. I haven't tried it.
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SimWardrobe is reporting major borkedness with OFB functions.  Like all customers have to be greeted when they enter the lot, and the 'show item to ...." is missing.

Geeze, can't EAidiots even check that they aren't conflicting with their own stuff? ::)

The Charlatan appears everywhere for your convenience. :)  I've seen him on community and even on residential lots in any hood I've played.

I played a biz as I was trying to see if I could sell witch products. I didn't need to greet anyone. I didn't try "show item to..." though.

Is anyone else having Gardening issues on apartment lots?  I'm playing the guy with the adopted daughter in Belladonna Cove.  The landlord won't garden; there's not an option for it if I call her.  The Gardener doesn't show up under services, so I can't hire him/her either.

I have the AL;DC with a few hacks removed.

The only weird thing I did was change the zoning (yes, while they were living there) to get rid of the spiral stairs and build elevators.  I boolpropped back to "true" for both cheats right after.

Any ideas?

ETA:  I seem to remember this problem mentioned already, but homework placed on a desk (any desk, I've tried quite a few) is inaccessible after it's placed.  I have to go into Buy mode and move it to the floor.

For the record, I've never seen a Charlatan in my game. I've decided I must not have one. :D

And yes, I have BV.

When I tried to marry Gabriel Green to Chastity Gere they would jump out of the action.

I removed my entire downloads folder and it still does it.

He could propose engagement, but the jump would happen every time I had him propose marriage.
I tried having her propose and got the same result.

It is not Gabriel causing the problem I don't think because I married him to the good Cordial sister and it went fine.  Chasity has been sleeping around with a bunch of guys and having a ton of children but I have not tried to marry her yet so maybe it is her.  I saw somewhere on the BBS that the game told the player that one of the sims was not human, maybe it is her?   :-\

Solowren: I've never seen a Charlatan, either, and I, too, have BV. I can't remember if I tried to reduce the character files in the Program Files folder for the vacation 'hoods, and was thinking that maybe he went with any edits, but that's immaterial - I installed the whole game over again when I got a new laptop, and didn't use any cleaned up or empty templates. He should be there. He just... isn't. Not that it breaks my heart, it's just strange. My sims still get the pick-pocket fear, even though no one's ever encountered the charlatan. It's not like it's knowledge that could spread through gossip when no one's ever experienced it.

I never saw the Charlatan in the regular hoods until I encountered him at least once on a vacation lot, so I guess that's when he was generated.  Since then, I've seen him everywhere .

D'oh! Ninja'd by jsalemi. I had the same experience. Had BV installed for a while before actually sending any sims on holiday and never saw the bugger. He spawned for my first vacationers in Takemizu, though (sounds like something you'd have to pay extra for, doesn't it?), and has been nefariously twirling himself around comm lots in the main 'hood ever since. Still haven't had a sim pickpocketed (their Logic seems high enough to tell him to bugger off), but he routinely fleeces the townie population. Would be nice if 'Report Foul Play' actually *did* anything. I know he's supposed to be "banished" from the lot for a certain amount of time, but it seems like every other trip to the store, he's right back again.

Zazazu- I did read but something must have not have sunk in. Thank you for not throwing rotten tomatoes, or something worse, at me.

All these different threads are confusing- is there another thread that I've missed where I could get help with building issues? I've tried a garage the first way you said and it didn't work. The cars disappeared or couldn't be placed at all.

Jsalemi and Liz: That makes sense, then. I've rarely used the vacation hoods.

   HP has gathered a bunch of threads altogether at MTS2, along with a mini-tutorial.  Might help to check that out.
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=299623 (http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=299623)

   Check out Pescado's Build/buy thread for AL just to make sure you're using the correct cheat-codes.
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,12847.0.html (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,12847.0.html)

   One last thing, i would recommend that you do alot of practicing on a regular lot, building houses with basements, houses on foundations w/garages.  There are several tutorials at the BBS/TS2 site to help in that regard.  Things would be much easier once you're comfortable with the basics before adding on AL building restrictions and peculiarities. 
   Don't expect to just jump right in and get it the first time, EAxis lied by leading us to believe it would be so easy.
   

I had the same problem with the phone at the Green house.  Once I deleted and replaced it, no problems. 

SJ, I have the same problem with the desk and the homework.  The student places the homework beside the computer and then can't pick up the homework. 

I've had this happen to me a few times, but I don't have AL.  I think it started right after I installed BV, actually.

Bah! Has anyone had a glitch where a sim would roll the same want (play with) over and over, especially while playing with water balloons? Ugh. I mean the kid I was playing racked up about 14050 points just from playing water balloon fight!

It seems this is only happening to binned (and/or premade, but I think just binned) apartments.  I don't remember if there was any "fix" for it, as the kids can theoretically just walk to school.  But, this was the issue, and you're not alone.  Sorry I can't give you more info than that.  Hopefully someone will chime in with more details.

I'm still trying to figure out my gardening issue.  Anyone?  Is this in anyway related to the dailygardener.package?  Is that preventing the landlord from gardening?  I suppose I'll take it out for now and test...just wondering.

Additional research revealed that the two issues are related. You can only use "Show Item To" on sims that have been greeted by the salesperson you are controlling. This is due to the fact that the greet status is now tracked between all sims present on the community lot on an individual basis. The "Show Item To" social interaction uses the global check trees for social interactions and those have been modified to support the new community lot greeting system.

When a new customer enters the lot, they have no greet status with anyone else on the lot. This means the sim you control can not show them an item or call them over. Maybe I am a tad pushy in my sales techniques, but I often call new arrivals over to my business owners location and then show them an expensive item. With the current community lot greeting rules, this technique is quite impossible.

Things get worse when you have two controllable sims performing sales. Lets say you had a husband and wife or a business owner and manager both performing sales interactions. When a customer enters the lot, he is ungreeted by everyone present. Sales person one will have to greet him before he can show him an expensive item. Sales person one then goes off to help some idiot who can't find the object right next to him. The first customer purchases the item he was looking at and sales person two can now pounce on him. You would think that sales person two could simply use the "show item to" social on him, but no, sales person two hasn't greeted him yet. Maybe this won't effect everyone, but for me all this extra greeting is just a big PITA.

I've come up with several ways to fix this, none of which I like. It will probably be easiest to fix the "show item to" and possibly the "call over" social interactions so that they use private check trees that have been shorn of the new community lot greeting code. One advantage to this approach is that it does not have the potential to screw anything else up beyond the aforementioned social interactions.

@ SJActress: I am also playing the guy with the adopted daughter, and the landlord occasionally pulls a weed, and clips a hedge and leaves the lot. Meanwhile most of the hedges are overgrown and there are weeds everywhere. I have to direct my sims to garden, if I use macro-garden they tend to just run around. I think the rosebushes near the path in front may be the problem, as they are enclosed by a very low fence that means the sim can't get to them and gardening then drops from the queue.

I had the same issue in one of Zazazu's lots, there is a strip of garden enclosed bya fence in front and the landlord just looks at it sadly.

Re the Charlatan, he is appearing at community lots all over the place.

Re the school bus, I have had no problems with it arriving at apartment lots. The exception to this is when you start playing a family or move a family with children and the timer reverts to monday 08h00, then the kids have to walk to school which they do also with no problems.

Yellow pee however is multiplying at a great rate, it is impossible to mop up and has to be nuked with the stuck object remover.

Did you get the newest yellowpee?  Was updated in recent days.

I put in the moreawesomethanyou-al.zip after the yellowpee was fixed, yes. I hadn't had any pee-ing before then.

    You might want to double-check, i seem to remember it being updated twice (once for AL, and once for the pee-spawning).

I  don't think he's stalking YOU, lol. But yeah, this happened to one of my Sims...

I took that Patel guy to a com lot and he got robbed, of course he smacked the Charlatan, but lost the fight, cried and went home.
He's just got back to his apartment and the Charlatan showed up, came into his place and stood by his bed. (Patel was asleep at this time).  I woke him up and had him smack the Charlatan again- this time he won, the Charlatan left.

Not seen him since. *grin*.
Aph.

I'll put in the newest zip tonight, I'm not really too bothered as it's early days yet and I am still only playing Belladonna Cove.

   Me also, and i gotta quit getting so attached to my Volunteer Testers. 

I'm just wondering if the car/bus portals are missing on the EAxis apartment binned lots. Has anyone with this issue checked with the handy-dandy flamingo?

The Charlatan is very active for me. I'm not sure if it's coding or not, on the surface...I've had 'hoods where he never showed up, and I've had other pre-AL ones where he seemed to be stalking. I can't wait for the Visitor Controller so I can ban him and his little skunk friend, too.

I'm just glad other people are having gardening issues.  Phew!
I won't have a chance to play until this afternoon, but I'm going to take out the dailygardener.package and see if that helps at all.

I thought I had gotten this one updated, but may have missed it. I'll grab that now and see if it fixes it. Thanks much.

Ugh.  I was going to install tonight, but I don't want AL messing up my owned community lots.  Is there a way to make it so that sims on owned community lots are automatically considered greeted by any playables or employees?  Or would that mess something else up?

With further testing, I did move him out and ask her to move in separately, this appears to have fixed things.  When I moved him, I was not given the option to move his wife, but when she moved in, they maintained their married relationship.

I don't understand it but whatever, lesson learned! 

I tried moving Dark Trepie's coven in with witch's coven. Twice. I got witch to ask DT, the popup showed, I selected both remaining two members of the household, clicked OK. Nothing changed, they were still living in the apartment next door. I did this twice.

Then I went to hood view and moved DT's coven to the lotbin, then into the same apartment as witch. When I went back into the lot all DT's lot showed up as living in the correct apartment but 2 sims were still in the next-door flat and it was lit up with all the furniture still showing.

There should be a progress bar above her head (just like when learning skills).  It does take a long time but I think 3 days is a bit much.

   Another borky addition to Garden problems for AL.  I created a brand-new TS2 folder to test this out, the only change was to put in TestingCheats in a startup file, no Downloads folder at all.
   Harvestable plants from Seasons (tomatoes at least), once they are harvested, the plants stick around for anywhere from a few seconds to over a minute before disappearing.  The plant still shows with fruit, with all options, until it finally disappears.  No idea if this is due to a weirdness with my video card/driver, or consistent with other players.  It happens on all lots, ownable, apt and college.  This really plays havoc with 'Harvest All'.
   
   Edit:  I've found one post about this particular problem on the BBS AL problem thread, so at least i know I'm  not completely alone.  :)

I have the same problem. I've seen it pre-AL, but only very frequently. Now, it seems to happen all the time, and not only with tomatoes. Very annoying.

Yesterday I tried out this theory that school buses won't show up with the binned appartments. I picked an appartment lot
that only has 2 appartments and the school bus does show up.
Maybe it is just a couple of appartments. Maybe I'll check out those other appartments.
I only play with the Stereohack, alfixes, notownieregen and LordDarcy's SP fixes for AL.


EDIT: I just played with 4 apartments in Belladonna Cove. My test family Gavigan.
In the appartments Dynamite Duplix and Boothbay Apartments the school bus shows up.
But in appartments City Center Lofts and Main Street Mobile Homes the school bus doesn't show up.
So my theory is that a neigborhood can't have 2 of the same appartments, because City Center Lofts and Main Street Mobile Homes are already in Belladonna Cove when you first play that neighborhood.
Can anyone verify that they have the same problem?

I have no idea about this portal stuff, but I tried Inge's flamingo and couldn't see any difference in the portals of lots where the bus comes and lots where the bus doesn't come. There are two pedestrian portals, a car start and stop portal, and a service car start and stop portal. Are there suppose to be extra portals for the bus?

   For the 'Greet' Customers problems at Owned Businesses, Paladin at SimWardrobe has a fix up now.

http://www.simwardrobe.com/ (http://www.simwardrobe.com/)

Frack. Yes, that's the flamingo I was referring to. There's only one set of portals for the carstop and bus together.

I'm not sure if this is an AL bork or a bork in my game -- I did a search on it, and didn't see it mentioned.

Belladonna hood -- I played the Cho/Riley building for the first time last night, and saw that no matter which one I played, the other's apartment was still lit, I could see activity in there, and the sims I were currently playing had full interaction menus with the sims in the other apartment. So the game was sort-of treating them like they were all in the same house together, even though only the current apartment's tenants were showing up as playable. I realized this when I had Riley (I played him second) try to call Cho, and she wouldn't show up in his phone book.  Also, I could click on controllers in the other apartment (i.e., lot debugger, TJ's ACR controller) and control the sims in the currently being played apartment.

Before playing that lot, I moved the guy with the dog from Pets into the trailer park with Jesse Peterson (I think that's her name).  I played her first, then moved him and the dog in, and didn't have the same problem -- her trailer was dark like any other tenants.

So, is it because they were already there in the Cho/Riley lot that it's borked?  Or is it just something in my game?

I had noticed some sims flirting and kissing other sims on their own which wasn't a huge problem since I could turn free will off to prevent it. But then yesterday when I was playing a house with two women. The first one, Erin was friends with the Evil Witch and had been turned into one as well. I decided to have her call up the evil witch and invite her over so her friend, Jaina could also be a witch. Once the witch showed up, I told Jaina to greet her. It was just the normal greet, not the new greets like high five or anything. When Jaina greeted her, I got this:

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5281/oddgreetingjp2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Jaina had never met her before and had no previous relationship whatsoever. Well, the witch ended up not liking the greeting, and now they have a negative relationship. I do have some hacks, but only a few of the DC hacks and TwoJeff's updated Twins & Triplets hack and Young Adult & Lazy Animation fix.

Hell of a greeting, isn't it? I've never actually heard of anyone getting a + or - from that greeting (or the related goodbye), though, as it's really just an indicator of chemistry and not a "real" kiss (sims are still eligible for their "first kiss" interaction after this greeting). Perhaps something about this salutation was changed for AL?

Aaaccck, this drove me crazy last week!  I played these 2 families first and I thought this was the norm.  So when I finally moved in another family in the same building, I was stunned to see those two families' apartments being dark.  And I lost a lot of precious playing time testing and retesting this scenario until I came to the conclusion that Cho & Riley were special.  So, yeah, they're borked.  Although it's a nice bork -- I like seeing what the other inhabitants are up to.

I thought that was the case as well where it shouldn't effect the relationship, but right after the relationship score with that witch was like -13 / -7. Normally when my sims don't know each other, their greeting is either waving at them or shaking their hand. That's why it was so shocking when I saw it. Before this, the only sims that I've seen greet another sim like that were sims who are in love.

Ok, so it's not my game -- thanks!  I guess EAxis has it setup that way as a sort-of 'scenario' to force the issue of those two getting together.  Makes sense, since his apartment looks more like it's setup for 4 people than her's is. 

OTOH, it'll take a bit of finessing to get their relationship up, since neither can talk to the other on the phone.  I wonder if the current setup also borks any move-in type interactions. May have to move one of them out and back in and see if that resets it.

I noticed that as well. Actually, when I played Vivian & her daughter, Timothy and Sally just kept coming in the apartment all the time on their own. And actually, Timothy came up to Vivian and kissed her out of nowhere and was one of the first sims I noticed doing romantic interactions on their own. Because when you start the game, there's no crush, love or anything like that, they just appear to be friends. But because he kissed her like that, I decided to go ahead and get them married. I didn't even think about the fact that Maxis probably set that up like that.

I'll get it if they have a decent relationship (I've never paid close attention, but we're talking at least friends) and some attraction. I hate it. Totally unrealistic. I'm attracted to many, many, boys who I also am some level of friend with, but I don't greet them by planting one on them.

Now the relationship score change, that's new.

Finally got my game and I was brave and went for my normal neighborhood rather than belladonna. This was the first time loading the game so my custom content was disabled and even so my hacks folder was on the desktop to avoid any issues.

With that said I wanted to build an apartment and was out of room in the neighborhood so I went to move a lot to the lots bin. Upon clicking the move to bin button, it did remove the lot. Only one problem though, it removed it entirely from the game! It was not in the lots bin anywhere. I searched for a good 10 minutes going back and fourth mumbling "oh my god" and "how the hell do they miss that huge glaring bug?!" and then it all boiled down to "oh well".

Next I went into a blank lot and started to build. All was fine and I saved a few times as I normally do while building to avoid disaster. After I did some more building I went and hit save again, and about 3 seconds after doing so... "This application has crashed. It will now terminate." I sat glaring at my monitor thinking "gosh isn't it suppose to do that while i'm building and not when I hit the save button?". My game has never ever crashed and i've been playing it since it came out, this expansion seems really unstable.

So I reloaded my game thinking "well it crashed mid saving so the neighborhood and the lot is probably corrupt now!". Nope, all was fine. I checked my lots bin to see if the house that disappeared was back, it was so I was happy about that. I went back into the lot I was building and readded everything that was missing one by one thinking it was something I added that made it do it and saved after every item. I was unable to reproduce the crash. Silly game.

I had a similar crash after I added a Uni to Belladonna -- I was adding a small dorm from the lot bin, and when I attempted to load the dorm to modify it, the game crashed on the lot loading screen.  When I reloaded the game and went back into the new dorm, everything was fine, and it hasn't happened again on that lot.  Some sadorandom borkedness in the lot/lot bin handling, I suspect.

 The game-hangs-on-save-after-clearing-gossip thing happened to me, but only after I also had witches in the family. I cleared gossip once before and saved fine, after making two witches and clearing gossip saving the game froze my computer. And of course I only remembered I oughtn't have done that after it happened.  ::)

Well then I have run out of ideas myself. Maybe a lot bin corruption?



Oh, good. Does it stomp the greeting obsession on not owned community lots too? I just played Dustin Broke's funeral - that stupid fucker set his ass on fire with the toy train of all things - and all attendees insisted on greeting each other, which I found a bit annyoing. On the other hand it makes for nice screenshots.

I was able to fix this without moving the families out. I made the current playable house (Cho for example) knock on the other one's door. This would normally make the apartment viewable anyway. Then I had them interact for a while and when they left and went back to their own apartment, the other one went dark like it is supposed to be from the beginning.

An oddity happened in my unhacked game when one of my playable Sims was abducted by aliens (without a cheat code) while using the expensive telescope on a neighbor's balcony.  The neighbor's apartment remained lit and the neighbor Sim visible in it while the abductee was away for processing.  When the abductee was returned by the UFO, the neighbor's unit continued being visible until I directed the abductee to return to the neighbor's apartment and leave through the door.  So perhaps there is something in the apartment doors that toggles the lights/visible state?  I forget whether the the abductee had the option to "knock on door" of his neighbor on his second visit or if I just directed him to interact with the neighbor and he entered without knocking.  The playable Sim in this scenario proceeded to have a "normal" pregnancy and spawned a mostly alien-featured daughter, with brown hair like her he-mom.

I also noticed that furnishings that I'd placed on balconies of apartments that became occupied by townie neighbors were initially invisible, but after I had a playable Sim visit the neighbor, the balcony items remained visible after the visit ended.  These were a card table & 2 cheap Ikea chairs at one unit, and the expensive telescope at another unit.

I never thought of trying that -- I'll have to give it a go next time I play them.

ETA: That worked!  Everything is fine with the two apartments working as they should now.

I finally have my game, and I haven't seen any of the major listed borkinations here in my game. The game has crashed a couple of times for me (but that's pretty much normal on this computer, it's old. My boyfriend has AL installed on his computer too so that I can play on his pc when he's not around... no crashes there, no borkinations, either).

There are a few, though, I think. There's 22 pages here, so I can't remember all that I've read.

I have noticed that the landlord will come every day and give me the message that, "Everything is in working order, there's nothing for me to do here. I will be back tomorrow." Someone mentioned this earlier, and I'm not sure if it's the same message they're getting, but to me it seems that him showing up each day is a "feature" rather than a bork. He hangs around from about 7 a.m. to 3 p.m. and, if nothing's broken or there's no gardening to be done, he leaves. (Another feature... "weekend apartment gatherings" ... how often does that happen?)

I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing to be unable to see anything that the inhabitants in the other apartments are doing... it would be rather nice to know what they're up to.

Both Samantha and Kimberly Cordial have one-bolt attractions to their respective witch friends in my game and have more than once acted upon it in free will... not that the good or evil witches minded much (if they goose their witch friends one more time... I'm going to scream). I have also noticed that it is much more difficult for Kimberly to gain evilness. Samantha maxed out her goodness level in about two days of constant studying/making reagents/etc. while Kimberly, who was subjected to the same treatment, is still simply "evil."

I fixed the stuck stomping guy on the Peterson trailer lot by just having her knock on his door.   She had already been there and "introduced" herself to him without effect on his sorry state, but it was only the actual "knock" option that sorted him out.

I had Kimberly max evilness right away, because I made her a witch first and I impatiently clicked the evil witch multiple times. I thought at first that it had dropped from her queue. Yeah. I did it the right way with her sister, and it took some time for her to get to the pinnacle of goodness. Another one got her magic from the evil witch, trained neutral to the point of gaining a familiar because I wanted to see what the neutral familiar looked like (it was grey) then trained good, and has maxed out witchcraft, but is still only 'nice'.

Also, randomly, I thought I could live with the good witch sparkly skin (as I'd only played with the Pleasant Cordial witches thus far) until I saw this:
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p282/Lady_Faizah/Sims/S4_GoodWitch.jpg)
(Putting the blurriness aside - yes, this is with high sim and texture detail, this computer is just crap.) Bleurgh.

I kind of like it on S1, and it might look good on the alien skin (my current good-witch-in-training) but I would far prefer a witch texture that looks good on all skins. I really don't like the thought of making certain skintones only be evil/neutral witches, but, man, I could not stand that on one of my sims.

The only default skin replacement in my game so far has been for the vampire overlay (seriously, blue?) but these witchery overlays are a good candidate for replacement. I may have to learn how to do it myself! (I want something subtle, not some Enayla skin as replacement, but not nothing at all.)

It looks like she has some fungal infection/rash.  That's disgusting.

I know what you mean. I've been looking all over, but I haven't found anything yet. I'm considering just using an Enayla replacement to get rid of the ugly speckles until something better surfaces.

Was the lot you moved an apartment lot? If it was, then it's in the "special" lot category like. It's the same one that (I assume) beach lots go into.

I was playing the Riley and Cho yesterday.  It's the first apartment house I've played.  I was play Riley's apartment, and I could see what Cho was doing in her apartment.  The problem I see with having it like that is that Cho was neglecting to care for her toddler.  The toddler's needs were getting extremely red. Cho wanders all over the lot during the day socializing with everyone and leaving the toddler unattended. The toddler is never put to bed at night and crawls around even outside the apartment while her mother is sleeping.  Cho doesn't go to work at all.  When she finally came in for the evening, her toddler needed a bath desperately, but Cho gives herself a bath and then goes to bed leaving her toddler in dire need of a bath and a diaper changing.  I tried to see if Rilely could take care of it, but he couldn't.  The toddler was so bad off at one point that I used the maxmotives cheat to stop her from crying. 

My Riley and Cho apartments were the same.  I tried to play Cho and could see into Riley's apartment and see what he and his daughter were doing.  Also, Cho's visitor would continually try to talk to people in Riley's apartment.  So I exited out and tried playing Riley, and it was the same.  So, I decided that was way too borked, and had Riley ask Cho to move in with him.  She accepted but I could still see both apartments.  So I moved them out as one family unit.  Going to test out their apartments on new sims today.  Hopefully it was just Eaxis trying to be clever with their whole single parent romance that messed it up.

like i say in some post away my test say all bin apartment are corrupt to fix that export all apartment of belladonna and import in you current neighood or use custom apartment. The bus will come for playables ( yes work 100 % in all apartments ) sometimes how i have 4 families in a apartment no playebles childrens dont go to school, maybe overseep or something no permit go but the important is you playabes will go.

As someone suggested to me, have whichever one you're playing visit the other for a bit.  When the playable leaves, the apartment you're not playing returns to 'normal' and becomes invisible.  Works fine after that, and solves this bork fairly easily.

Nope, the one I moved was an old house I had downloaded years ago. As I said it reappeared in the bin when the game crashed and I restarted it, but I'm not suppose to need to restart it to find a house in the bin. Something I have noticed is if you click the 'expand' button on the "special" lot bin, the UI breaks.

I was working on the same apartments tonight and man it's hell to style and furnish all the apartments. It's gonna take me forever to get all 4 done. I be damned if I don't use the rent furnished option after doing all this work.

   So far, the only weirdness I've seen with playable-neighbor kids, one non-controlled playable kid missed the bus one day (the bus showed up, my controlled teen made it, the kid had gone the previous day).  Shortly after 9 AM, the kid came bebopping out of his trailer and proceeded to play to his heart's content.  At 2 PM, i get the warning that the kid missed school and lost a grade.  At that point, his mother (again, non-controlled neighbor) fulfilled a fear of 'kid getting a bad grade and lost points.  Shortly afterwards, she came into the controlled trailer and had a nervous breakdown.  She went thru the whole spiel (reaction to the doctor, tho the doctor wasn't visible).  I hadn't played them since moving in, so they had no buffer asperation.
   It worried me so much, i grabbed the kid and had him do some homework (via Inge's homework table). Once i released him, he would walk out of his trailer, go do 1 action, then immediately head back to his trailer.  30 mins later, he'd do it again.  Rinse/repeat.  I deleted him (move_objects on), then he walked back onto the lot, perfectly normal.  The next morning, he caught the bus with no problem.   
 

Not entirely sure if this is an Apartment Life bork, but since it's only happened after I've installed AL, I'm assuming it is.

(http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1087/simsweirdnessqc3.png)

Yeah, as you can see, it's borked up. Can't seem to find any way to get that little bar up. I'm tempted just to use college adjuster to give her a 4.0. It's just that one sim who's having that problem, but none of the others seem to be able to write term papers, and I can't throw parties, either. It just seems to be college having issues for me, the main neighbourhood is fine.

I've played Uni just fine since installing- try removing all of your hacks and see if it works then.

That is an oldbug. It is purely visual and does not affect anything. Just keep college rampaging.

I get that UNI bug all the time too.  I never waited to find out that it was just visual, but what I always do is turn on moveobjects, delete the Sim in question, turn off moveobjects, and save the lot.  After returning to the neighborhood and then reentering the lot, the Sim will appear at the mailbox of course, and the problem generally is solved too.  I have never figured out what causes the bug, and have seen it in dorms, frat houses, and regular residential lots on campus.

   That's another old bug.  Have you influenced those YA's to do someone else's term papers?  Either at that lot or at another lot?  Even if they do someone else's term paper, the game thinks they've done their own.  That's why i only use townies to influence.

On vacation lots, you have to greet everyone to interact with them. I find this annoying. Is it like this on community and business lots too?

I am seeing an unusually long wait time (5-10 seconds) between clicking on the "exit to neighborhood" button and the "Do you want to save?" dialog popping up.  This was never an issue for me before AL.  Has anybody else experienced this?

Karen

Semi-confirmation on that one, Karen; When I click save on any lot, it takes it about 5 seconds before the actual "saving" dialog pops up. I know for sure that it doesn't do that on my boyfriend's computer, and that the dialog appears directly after I hit the save button.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about.  It seems to happen only on apartment lots, though; normal residential lots don't have that lag.

Karen

Has anybody had a Sim die on an apartment lot yet?  Bizarre to say the least. 

To start, I'll mention that I did have Pescado's tombstonemovefix in my game at the time.  Whether this affected the outcome, I can't say. 

But here's the scenario:  I moved the elder couple, Herbert and Faith (Goode or Goodie?) into the apartment bldg where the Patel family resides.  They became close friends of the Patels and the little girl they had.  I've played all families, by now, through to almost end of winter -- a lot of playing! -- with the exception of the large family of orphans in the bin, which I deleted immediately.

So, at age 65, both Herb and Faith die on the same day after returning from work.  Faith, thanks to noagediscrimination, was working longer hours and didn't get home 'til 11PM, so Herb went first:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/maxie54/AL%20bugs/01HerbertmeetsGrim.jpg) 

and, very strangely, got a special stone (no, he wasn't plat):

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/maxie54/AL%20bugs/02_Herb_Stone.jpg)

Then Faith, who'd just made it up the career ladder to robber:

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/maxie54/AL%20bugs/03_FaithmeetsGrim.jpg)

When Faith's stone appears on the sidewalk, Herb's magically disappeared:

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/maxie54/AL%20bugs/04_afterFaithdies.jpg)

And this message pops up, saying the stones have been moved to P.U.R.E, a downtown nightclub, no less:   ::)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/maxie54/AL%20bugs/05_Notice.jpg)

Then after Grimmy finds some relief in their vacant apartment...

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/maxie54/AL%20bugs/06_GrimOnCrapper.jpg)

...I noticed that both stones were gone from the lot.  The game warned me the stones would only appear on the community lot as indicated if I saved, so I did.  After Grimmy left, I went into the Patel's apartment to see what the Goodie's apartment looked like at this point, and their door said "Vacant":

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/maxie54/AL%20bugs/07_PatelView.jpg)

Then I went to P.U.R.E and there were no stones anywhere on the lot. I've also checked out several other lots, both in Downtown and in Belladonna, but no sign of the missing stones.  I can't figure why P.U.R.E was picked by the game as a destination for the tombstones in the first place -- has this now just become a random thing?   ???   Herb & Faith had never visited there;  the only DT lot they'd been to was the SugarCube Bowling Alley. None of my Belladonna residents had ever been to P.U.R.E   Besides the DT hood, I had attached no other districts or subhoods to this hood. 

I have the feeling their stones have just vanished altogether - a bug we had before (which EP? I can't remember), which I'm not certain was ever properly fixed.  I'd be interested in comparing stories about this issue because this is pretty messy.  I'll post at BBS once I know for certain it's not Pescado's tombstonemovefix that has caused this.  I highly doubt it did, actually, because this kind of randomness would perhaps explain why some players are seeing Olivia Riley's tombstone at the Art Gallery and others are not. 

If you don't remember the NL P.U.R.E lot, it looks like this:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/maxie54/AL%20bugs/10_PURE.jpg)

Some place for a gravestone, hey?

That's bizarre.  I did have an elder on an apt lot die of old age today, like yours, just as he got out of the carpool.  Everything seemed to work OK.  I left the tombstone by the mailbox, saved, exited to neighborhood, returned (half expecting the tombstone to be gone) and everything was just as I'd left it.  Memories and inheritance and so on all worked fine.

Karen

karen, were you using Pes's tombstonemovefix at the time, or no?  Did you have other surviving members of the family at the time? And other playable families in other apartments?

Why would even come up, when I had another family of 4 (and close friends of the departed) living in that apt complex at the time? 

Maybe the message should've read:

Having everyone die on an apartment lot is really not a good idea!  Why?  Because we at EA were too stupid to figure out how to deal with it! This game was programmed by EA morons after all and EA morons don't care what happens to the tombstones.

I have to agree that Cho is a bad mother.

After moving her and her spawn into the Reily household, the mother went upstairs, leaving baby Etsu there by herself.  I had to instruct the mother to pick up the toddler before the house would vacate itself.  

On 2nd thought, I should of left the baby there while I extracted all the goodies out of the Cho apartment.



If I moved the family of orphans into a house with someone who has a LTW of 10 children, would the orphans count as adopted children and therefore go towards fulfulling the want?

Sadly, no. If the children and toddlers get taken by the social worker, I suupose you could adopt them, but otherwise... Nope. You can move them in, but they don't count.

Yes, to the first two questions.  (Tombstonemovefix dated 10/18/06.)  No, to the last (not on that lot - I have a couple of other apt buildings that have multiple playable families in them, but not this particular one).

Karen

I've got an interesting Uni-screwup.

I moved several sims into a dorm lot. After about a semester, I merged another student household into the dorm, as her roommate graduated. When she arrived on the lot, I got the usual dormies moving out message, and the dormie unclaimed the room. I then had the moving-in-sim claim the door. However, the room remains darkened and the furniture invisible. If I turn on buy mode and try to place furniture in there, it indicates with the red and green outline that the items in the room are still there, but are invisible. So... yeah.

I do have hacks in, but all but maybe two have been updated by now.

That's an old bug -- haven't seen that one in a while.  Move the sim you just moved in back out to the student bin, and have her move back in -- the room should be fine.

How odd-- that's a new one for me. Thanks.

Well, I got the same thing happening, just 2 days ago. I had a elder (male) sim living in the appartment, when he died the game said his tombestone was moved to 'university road 124'. The problem is that I can't even find that lot... I visited all lots in all neighbourhouds by now and I haven't found the tombstone...

Very interesting. Here's an idea; try looking at the lot inneighborhood view. Can you see a tombstone near the phone? You may need to visit the lot several times for it to appear. For some weird reason Olivia Riley's tombstone is, by default, at the Belladonna Cove Art Museum. However you need to visit the lot several times before it will actually show up (so it can be interacted/moved). You can see the neighborhood imposter od the tombstone before it appears on the lot though.

That's a really strange message though, and a testament to EA logic. I hope there'll be a hack to get rid of that (what is wrong with just getting the neighbors to move it)? Weird how it picks P.U.R.E. and not, say, one of the default cemetaries (Gothier Green Lawns and Gamesend Grounds). And yes, the aspirations are quite seriously borked at the moment.

And sirnh, I believe 124 University Road is a shopping center in Sim State University.

I noticed that my default pet eye replacements are no longer working.  Has this happened to anyone else?

I have one problem with AL that I can't work around right now.  Riley can't call anyone on the phone.  I get the message that he doesn't know anyone.  He knows the people in the building and met someone on the street.  He has a 100 relationship score with Cho, too.
I wonder... can the residents of the apartments call each other?
I also notice that they can't invite their building neighbors over for a meal or to visit.
Is this what the designers intended?  I would like to see more neighborly interactions available.
This EP could really be so good. 

<sigh>  Please read the last page or two of this thread to see that the Riley/Cho lot is borked, and how to fix it.

I'm sorry if you find this off-topic, but... I've just read through these past 24 pages (yes, all of them!) and I'm slightly scared of the sheer amount of borkage.

So, I have a question...

Provided that I get the currently available MATY fixes, is it worth installing or should I just hold off for now? Is the game generally playable, in your opinions, or are there simply too many annoyances?

Most of us are just playing Belladonna Cove or another throwaway hood for now.  I'm personally not touching my regular hood with a ten foot pole until someone figures out what's going on with the mass invasion of new townies.

Jessica Peterson who lives alone in Belladonna died in my game and the message said her grave was moved to Central Park, which I figured was the cemetary. After reading your post, I checked and it's not the cemetary, but her grave is actually there in Central Park.

Yeah, too bad it's NONRETRIEVEABLE because community lots don't save and often won't manifest gravestones until someone GOES there.

Go ahead and install, but not without the DC. Specifically, you need at least alfixes and notownieregen due to EA's new flavor of character file inundation.

I'm playing with my regular 'hoods now. Seriously, notownieregen! My secondary 'hood is still at 21 character files after three days of play (no movement since the basic service NPCs were spawned), and my primary 'hood didn't have an increase the last time I played despite flitting between community lots.

I'm not touching my hoods until someone fixes the everchanging sim portraits. Because I'm very fussy, particular and strange, I do NOT want to go into my neighborhoods and have to change 200+ portraits back to what they were. I'd fix it myself, if I knew what, exactly, it is that they have changed (what controls the portraits)?

I was at a Community lot and I summoned the NPC witch over so my Sim can become friends, and the game re spawned another good witch?  So if the NPC is controllable for less than a second, the game thinks they need a replacement?  And what is up with all the the incessant greeting?  When I was playing hack free, it actually would stomp the query and it was almost impossible to get them to do anything.

I haven't installed notownieregen yet because I haven't yet seen it explained what the AL version actually does.  Does it keep the game from spawning any townies at all now?  I just want to squash the never-ending spawning of the new social group townies.  Ideally, I would also want the game to continue replacing townies who die or become playable, but I suppose that can be done manually.

Edit:  Okay, I've done a bit of testing with a rebooted Pleasantview.  Before loading with AL installed, it had 358 character files.  After loading, it had 447.  So I guess AL automatically creates 89 NPCs/townies when installed, and notownieregen doesn't do anything to hinder this.  After visiting community lots and moving people into apartments, the count is still at 447, which is similar to your results.  So notownieregen does seem to completely stop the continual spawning of new AL townies, instead populating apartments and community lots with the new townies that are created at install, which is definitely how it should be.

Notownieregen keeps the spawning of social townies (and others) to the minimum required by the game, and yes it does prevent the game from spawning replacement townies. Combine it with antiredundancy to keep the number of NPCs (maids, delivery folks, etc) to the minimum required, and you're all set.

Antiredundancy isn't necessary if you don't mind having a few different sims of each NPC type, right?  The unlimited NPC spawning thing hasn't been a problem since BVp0...right?

Right, the unlimited spawning thing was fixed. And yea, you don't need antiredundancy if you don't mind replacement NPCs respawing if you marry one in or otherwise make one playable.

Too late, too tired, so I stopped reading after 15 pages... 
Has anyone tried to use the resurrection spells for the witches yet? 
My evil warlock can make a zombie -the spell comes up when he points to the gravestone, executes fine and he gets a zombie.
NONE of my good witches can perform the resurrection spell.  they can mourn and move the grave and that's it.  I specifically tested in a test environment with no CC

also:  school bus only comes in apartment lots I've built myself.  Eaxian pre-made apartments means no school bus ever...
(this is actually not the first time that I've noticed that some things don't work in the premade houses, neighborhoods etc. - for instance for a long time I was wondering  how you rake leaves, the few that fell never stayed on the ground... until I went from the eaxian pre-made hood to one of my own custom hoods - then suddenly the leaf piles showed.  I can't think of more, but I know I've had other experiences like this.)

Does the resurrection always result in a zombie? If so, it might be an 'evil' spell, thus unavailable to good witches. Also, if there is a good version of the spell (there should be, but this is EAxis...), check that the good witch has a high enough magic skill, and high enough alignment. ('Check abilities' on the spell book, skill and alignment are shown above the abilities list.)

I believe that only evil witches can do the zombie spell.  It wouldn't be available for good witches.

I've had the school bus come on EA built apartment lots.

Clean templates will eliminate those 89 AL uglies. There is one in Peasantry in the ongoing thread.

Not really a bug per-se, but I have built an apartment in one of my universities, and it appears that regular ol' adult townies can live within the apartments going unaffected. I know this, because when she came out, she was playing basketball in the backyard and the voice did not sound like the YA/teen voices at all. I was really hoping for the neighbors to be YA's, but I suppose the neighbors are pre-determined once you've finished building your apartment.

Anywho, I shall make her selectable the next time I load up my game, and see if she either has a "job" or a major.

Apartment neighbor passed out in front of the common use staircase.  Now my sims can't leave their apt, and their daughter cannot come home.  I had the daughter knock on the neighbor's door to use his toilet, shower, and kitchen.

Yeah, I know that I can use moveobjects to  delete the neighbor, but they shouldn't be passing out and blocking stairs.  Can a mod be made to prevent that.

I do not think that neighbours' motives are supposed to drop if no interaction is happening with a controllable sim.

If there is a stereo outside you could try turning it on, that always wakes sims up. Otherwise use cheats to place a stereo if you can.

Or use some mod (or just the testing cheats) that allows you to take control of non-playables, and tell the sim to wake up.

@FourCats: do you have 'nouniprotect' in your game?  I'm curious if that's affecting tenants as well...

I thought this wasn't possible.  Or at the least, it wasn't recommended.  ???


I'm curious about this as well.

The resurrection of the EVIL witch does always result in a Zombie.  It's supposed to as per EAXIS spec. 
There is supposed to be a matching spell for the GOOD witch which is supposed to result in a perfectly normal Sim being resurrected. 
It says in the spell book that the witch has it (I've trained them up and beyond actually - they get it at level 8 or 9 and I've trained them all the way to level 10).  supposed to take two each of three ingredients, I believe it was magic dust, moonbeams, dragon scales.  Made sure they had two or three of each and every available ingredient (in fact one of the good witches I tried it with has 10 -20 of each - they have a magic store and they manufacture a load of the stuff...) No matter whether I try it in my regular installation or the second one (yes I have two sims folders with all the neighborhoods, etc. that I rename for test purposes right now so I can test with and totally without hacks).  Neither one has the spell for the good witch.  doesn't show up with or without downloads in. 

EHEM.... that's precisely it- I didn't WANT a Zombie.  Otherwise I could have just had the evil witch take care of it since HIS spell certainly worketh fine

No, what does that one do?   I downloaded the DC, and picked through it and put in the ones that I knew what they did, deleted the ones that didn't interest me, and held onto the ones that I wasn't sure about.


I ended up deleting the sleeping sim in front of the stairs, yet my sims still can't use the spiral stairs.  They stomp with pics of stairs in their thought bubble.  This is the DeBateau maxis family in a fancy apt building.

Are there any reports of the spiral stairs being borked? or did I break the game by deleting the sim?  She lives in a neighboring apt.


Edit:
Woops!  I deleted that neighbor before I read this:
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,12941.0.html
I wonder if I should just move them out, and to a new home?

Well, for the record, spiral stairs are surprisingly flawless in my game. And my, how I do love them. They make having basements MUCH easier, as you don't need to play around so much with awkward basement stairs placement. Plus they stack!  ;D

Nouniprotect turns off the 'protection' for dormies, so their motives actually drop if they don't take care of themselves.  After a bit you'd see them sleeping in their food, on the floor, pretty much everywhere, which is why I was curious if you had it and if it was affecting tenants.

The spiral stairs in the game work great!  I'm probably going to dump the maxine spirals I have in the game (never was fond of her animation for them) and replace any I used with the EAxis ones.  Just wish sims could run on them.

There isn't a resurrection spell for the good witch. If you are on the lot when the sim dies, a good witch can "Banish Death." If you get there after they are dead however, there is nothing you can do. It sounds like it works just like pleading, except that you always win and doesn't depend on relationship, just magical skill.

Okay I have the issue with the save dialog not coming up for about 7 seconds after clicking save. It only happens in apartment lots.
I also have the problem with the gypsy only having the 'dismiss' option on community lots. I wanted a date damnit!
And I had a sim max out her creativity skill and fulfill the max a skill want then I checked an hour later and the last point in her creativity skill had reset. This wasn't an apartment lot, either.
Oh and the picture changing feature is nice but when my sim got electrocuted by the microwave it was a head spinning moment.

Also why do the hobby club members have to come in the middle of the night? I sit here half asleep watching the sims sleeping saying "damn I should be doing that!" and had the camera zoomed in then suddenly this tech dressed mess walks past my screen and I'm like "was that the terminator?!"... no its the games hobby club leader.

From page 7...


Just wanted to confirm that this is happening in my game, too.  Hotels are sad and lonely without the tourists.

Also, the maid just stood next to the checkout desk the whole time instead of doing his job.  Oh, and he also didn't have a face.  Fun stuff.

Edit:  Now I'm totally confused.

Test 2:  Tourists showed up at hotel right away, just like they normally should.

Test 3:  No tourists at the hotel, even after waiting two whole days.  They show up just fine at the community lots, though.

Edit #2:  After returning from the community lot, some tourists finally showed up and checked in.  WTF?

AH!  Ok, I was thinking logically if the spell of the evil witch makes a zombie the good witch gets the resurrection.  The spell descriptions all are more cute than explanatory, so I didn't figure that banish death meant literal banishment. That's right next to worthless then...  I mean how often is a good witch actually present when a sim dies, unless each and every one IS a good witch.    My, I shouldn't think logically where EAXIS is involved...